HOW DID BILL CLINTON MANAGED TO THIS?

>Also Bill was pretty conservative
>puts gun control from 1993 to 2001

Obama is a fag and didn’t support fag marrige at first either

The economy under Clinton was great. You youngfags will never again know the joy of having an average paycheck easily cover your cheap rent and gas, with plenty left over.

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>because of newt

This.
Also Perot was comedy relief and Dole was that weird old guy that didn't quite fit.

Well Pro certainly peeled off a lot of votes, in the 1992 race it's largely conceited that he pulled equally from Clinton and Bush nationally, though perhaps not in individual states. Let's remember that Bush's approval rating was in the low 30s on Election Day. That's why he lost the election.with that said it's unlikely Clinton would have won a state like Montana without Perot's assistance. But Pennsylvania Ohio Etc are very possible he would have won.

Hahahahahaha! No.

>The economy under Clinton was great.
Blue-collar jobs were already dying by the Clinton presidency, and NAFTA finished them off. A college degree in Bullshit Studies was still a guaranteed comfortable lifestyle back then, though.

Both parties shifted to the extremes as the public was more readily able to access misinformation and echo chambers online. Essentially the parties shifted to stay in line with their increasingly biased and extremist constituents. Say what you will about the dangers of controlled mass media, it sure as hell kept things a lot more moderate

How did the likable guy playing saxaphone on tv beat the CIA guy who totally fucked over small business owners and made them pay retroactive taxes.

NAFTA and WTO killed this country, but the 90s economy was comfy AF. Until the tech bubble burst.

He was pretty conservative for a liberal, also he did things that ensured his victory like manipulating the press etc. He's fucking ruthless.. just look at the shit he has done when he was govenor in arkansas

Nope. The answer is Ross Perot. He ran in as a third party in 1992 and stole way too many votes from GW Bush, who would have won in a landslide. The 1996 election still had Ross Perot, but even worse, Clinton was already an incumbent, and most people won’t vote against an incumbent.

No, I keep seeing this lie regurgitated. It was nowhere near “equal”.

The concept of blue and red states is a recent phenomenon.

Right-wing extremism is reactionary to left-wing extremism.
If there were no left-wing extremists, right-wing extremists would never exist.

There were a lot more swing counties just as recently as the 90's and 80's. That's why landslide victories actually happened back then. Modern electoral politics represents the transition from voting for who you think is best for your country to a subtle race/class war.

Ross Perot stole a lot of votes from Bush too. But if you look at the map, it's not super surprising. Some of the democratic south still existed. (it wasn't totally destroyed until 2014, checkout the senate map/results that year) He won the working class votes in the rust-belt. Cities/demographics brought him the west coast. Yuppie New Englanders finally solidified their democratic stance. Swing districts went for Clinton too.

Republicans at this time hadn't fully adjusted to the new politics. Their strategy was basically the same as Hillary's 2016 strategy of just trying to hold "your states." Bush 2000 is a good example of that. He held states that were mostly republican, and won. 2004 was because of the hispanic vote being fairly good for him that year. Obama is when we went hardcore Whites vs Non-whites. Urban vs Rural. Middle-class vs Welfare/Billionaires. Workers vs College educated, etc. A lot of people here are young, so they don't realize how dramatically things have changed since the 90's.

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I'd actually argue that the right has shifted left along with the democrats

most of the positions in the 90s they had that were far right had to do with appeasing their evangelical voter base, but because it started killing their election aspirations they shifted left on key issues to gain more votes from the empathetic white voters

They keep repeating it every time there's a third party candidate to scare the sheep and keep them voting D or R. Studies have shown that third party candidates don't actually hurt either major party because they tend to draw fairly equally from both, or are votes from people who would have just not voted at all.

Whatever you need to keep telling yourself so you can sleep at night.

Bob Dole was a low-energy beta cuckold and even more leftist than Bill O.

He was a southerner at a time when being a southerner meant something other than wanting to watch your wife get fucked a long dicked black.

It was a direct result of the reform party splitting the republican base. The reform party was a fucking joke and enabled dems to win those elections.

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>HOW DID BILL CLINTON MANAGED TO THIS?

>1 democrat vs 2 dumbass republicans who couldnt cede to one another

HmMmMmMm ReAlLy RuSsLeS mAh AlMoNdIoS.............

Bush went to a grocery store as a photo-op and was amazed at a scanner in the checkout line. People saw the clip on the news and realized what an out of touch blueblood he was, basically Mr Burns. SNL mocking him constantly, which carried more cultural cache in the old media days (they did a number on Perot, too). Perot voters did the rest and we got Slick Willie with a plurality of the votes.

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Becausd Clinton was a moderate neoliberal who appealed to a lot of the republicuck base.

Republicans have consistently moved further to the left. We're constantly told that "there's growing right-wing extremism," but that's not true. It's because the democrats have consistently gone further to the left. It's why in 2008 Obama was saying "As a Christian I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman" and Clinton supported "physical barriers" along the border, but saying those things these days will get your life ruined. Republicans have done nothing but capitulate to democrats for decades upon decades. I cannot name a single significant republican win in the past century. It has been consistently democrat big wins, other than the civil rights act. In the long run that wasn't much of a win though.

What we call the "far-right" and "alt-right" today would be common sense a few decades back. If you think shit like Trump is "far-right" then you're in for a rude awakening when the real far-right or third-position makes its long awaited return to the international stage.

All of those things, plus Clinton was from the South, a governor of Arkansas, and Gore was also from the South (Tennessee).

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Clinton would have likely won anyway because he did a great job getting the youth vote. He was on MTV and played sax on Arsenio Hall (which was a HUGE late night show at the time). It was pretty revolutionary at the time, and made Xerss think that there was a candidate who actually cared about them.

>Economy was great
>Deregulation happens
>Glass-Steagall gets repealed
>Greenspan weights in with monetary policy
>DotcomCrash.exe
>Fast forward to 2007
>Economy goes down the shitter and financial crisis happens

Ross Perot would have won, if he wasnt such a literal jew with spending money on his campaign, that is what historians agree would have happened

the Perot stuff was funny, the constant jokes about him being tiny, the little lefts behind the podiums so he could see over them and stuff
the main thing from i remember from Bush was the "thousand points of light" thing

>kentucky went blue twice
Huh, and here I thought my state was always red.

Bush, "Read my lips: no new taxes."
>raises taxes

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I agree. I'm not defending Clinton. Glass-Steagall repeal fucked us HARD. I'm just saying that for a few years there it was great. Our money went so much further back then.

Again, he drew from both parties relatively equally on a national basis. It was in the Electoral College where Perot drew more votes from Bush than Clinton. I stay late Montana had no business going for Clinton when it would certainly have gone for Bush had there not been a third party on the ballot. But Clinton still would have carried States like Pennsylvania and Ohio making him president.

Bill Clinton was stuck with a Red House + Senate from 1995-2001 (6 years) so lots of Republicans voted for him. Because he was a moderate who was willing to work with the Republicans to get welfare reform, NAFTA (Republicans back then were pro-free trade I believe. They certainly were under Bush Jr's reign) and other shit passed.

No, he was a meme. Most people considered him a rich loudmouth with big ears who talked funny back then.

Yeah, Carvey did a good Perot impersonation, the voice and the ears especially. Met Perot in person and he's a true turbo-manlet, sharp as a tack, but fun sized.

Probably that was the only possible outcome. People were too optimistic about the future and so many just underestimated the risks.
It was fun when it lasted.

That was HUGE too. The country was pissed. Funny that now they could give a shit less when a President blatantly lies.

you lack knowledge of american history like much of this board.

The 1990's election were the last of the old coalition (poor white people, blacks, white liberals, catholics, jews, protestants, women) that democrats built around kenyansian economics, were the Democrats control the US for 70 years in a basically 1 party states, were republicans couldn't compete, except in Vermont and the white house by being democrats

WV was the most reliable democratic state until 2000 for example.

>clinton economy
>>Make it illegal not to lend to deatbeats
>>offer huge grants to every nigger under the sun
>>spend vast swathes of the budget on public housing
>fast forward a decade
>Entire country entres a recession on par with the 1920s because of huge unsecured loans to people we KNEW couldn't pay back
>Niggers are 100% welfare slaves, worse than LBJs greatest wet dreams
>Huge parts of every city is now basically uninhabitable

/thread
40m people voted for Bill
60m voted for someone else.

is that why he was leading the polls for a long time?

Neither did Obama and Hillary.

The tech bubble was a huge factor too. People were just throwing shitloads of money at companies with no viable plan or product. The combination of so many factors hurt us badly.

This

>Based Indiana

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>Funny that now they could give a shit less when a President blatantly lies
wrong. a major factor in Trump winning moderates is the bullshit lying that Obama thought he got away with in Obamacare and the war on terror. One fucking year he was out of office and the individual mandate was repealed. He should be embarrassed for forcing through such a hunk of shit program.

>caring about the result of McCain vs Obama
McCain may as well be a communist

With civil rights and social issues, Republicans were able to crack the coalition that govern the US and all of the west until the 1990s. Republicans were able to, like a lot of conservative parties abroad, shift the issues to social ones, like abortion/race ,and got poor white people to vote against their own interests, and the Dems lost the south/Appalachia with the loss of poor people

I thought we didn't trust polls here? I'm just telling you how it felt at the time. Besides, back then polling would be calling the one landline in a home and talking to a single potential voter. They were not exactly accurate.

*poor white people

Arguably the spectrum has shifted to the left on social issues but to the right on economic issues. I mean unions have been decimated, income inequality is at a near-all-time high, corporate taxes are contributing less to the federal budget than ever, we still allow the hedge fund guys to only pay 20% on their income, oil companies still receive massive subsidies, etc.

Looking at the P/E ratio alone you could have guessed it was a gigantic fucking bubble, but no banker, financial advisor, bank supervisor or central banker expressed the minimum concern about the building of the stock market over valuation.
I think financialization and neo liberalism ruined the west, we can’t even trust our government anymore.

But Trump lies continually, and even when there is video proof people buy it. He lies so much no one even flinches now.

bill would be considered right wing these days

>bill knows how to win campaign
>therefore he knows how to loose
>helps hillary with election
>makes her lose on pourpose
is he /ourguy/

>a third party winning
>in the USA
*inhales*
oh no no no

orange man bad!

obama had no scandals!

Bill Clinton got to take credit for what Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was able to accomplish.
What he managed to do was stay out of jail.

I agree with you that the country's economic has gone further towards that sort of libertarian-style conservatism. But the country, in terms of beliefs, has gone further towards the left. Compare Romney getting BTFO to Trump courting the working class and saying he won't cut entitlements. There are also millions of literal socialists now. We didn't have that just five years ago, but now they're on the verge of usurping the democratic party.

Blame the fucking globalization. Apple and every single tech company eludes billions of euros in cash and basically any multinational conglomerate has a fiancial team dedicated to the tax, financial, accounting and regulatory arbitrage.
Europe is a nightmare and is even worse than fucking us as for corporate lobbying.

Bill managed to do this by being a southerner
democrats will never have a southerner run because slavery is bad and all southerners were slave owners and racist and so on and so fourth

>Trump lies continually
he makes small, meaningless lies every day. However, he has lived up to every single one of his campaign promises.

>Was their something wrong with people in the 90s?

Yeah literally everything

Gen Xers are worse than boomers

False. Bush's approval ratings were in the low 30s at that point. There was no way he could have won.

Right, the people are further left than ever, I was referring to the dominant policy regime.

Ross Perot

>being this fucking retarded

nice try GOP shill

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Bill Clinton would be called a fascist nowadays by snowflakes. He was pretty moderate and Chad.

Yes, globalization, financialization and neoliberalism are the cause of many of our structural economic problems.

The CIA wasn't willing to accept Perot was a better candidate than Shrub, for obvious reasons, so they continued to run against him. The commies took advantage and placed their drug-running puppet Clinton up, ran him with full Jewlywood roll out, some hip "first black president" bullshit. Clinton wasn't lying about feeling the pain of black women, he loved the jungle fever, as much as he loved any fever.
After that the economic boons from the US stepping in where the USSR had failed, combined with the early internet, drove people to think that Clinton was doing pretty well, and Dole was creepy, cause he talked about himself in third person. Clinton looked high energy.

12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
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Newt did nothing. Republicans are a fucking disaster with money.

There's a lot of retards in here who sound like they were born yesterday

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>Arguably the spectrum has shifted to the left on social issues but to the right on economic issues. I mean unions have been decimated, income inequality is at a near-all-time high, corporate taxes are contributing less to the federal budget than ever, we still allow the hedge fund guys to only pay 20% on their income, oil companies still receive massive subsidies, etc.
Exactly.
I tend to lean Democrat/even NDP (here in Canada) on economic issues and some social issues (abortion/gay rights/Planned Parenthood/Separation of Church and State/etc.)
But I am Republican/Conservative on certain social issues like immigration.

Look at Bill's speech about immigration.

You are light years from that now.

basically the first of the celebrity presidents

>12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
Touche. I didn't know it was actually Bush Sr. who signed NAFTA. I figured that Bush Sr. and probably Reagan was Pro-Free Trade. Bush Jr. was definitely Pro-NAFTA.
Here in Canada I believe it was Mulroney who signed it yes? Chretien came in under a year after NAFTA was signed I believe

As if I fall for the R vs D divide and conquer bullshit that has infected this country. Pretty much all politicians are slimy and should be held to standards. Quit being an easily manipulated dipshit.

Oh he has? Glad Mexico is paying for that 50+ trillion dollar wall and Hillary is locked up. Back then people flipped over Bush having to go back on his word about taxes, and it wasn't even really his fault, he really had to raise them. Now we are lied to so much that it has become the norm. People are so numb and worn down they just accept it, and that's really sad.

look at how many more immigrants trump is taking in

Yup. NAFTA was a Reagan/Bush/Mulroney creation but somehow Chretien and Clinton took all the blame because boomers are retards who can't remember.

A bit, but no one really knew him before the campaign. He just successfully worked the youth vote.

>Republicans are a fucking disaster with money.
>who is hillary
>who is osoff
>who is beto

Spin happened: youtube.com/watch?v=BdXtIJNNVZM

bill clinton was the first modern president to utilize modern communication technology to manipulate the narrative. He brought private companies like CNN into the fold and politicized them.

>look at how many more immigrants trump is taking in
USA and Canada badly need a moratorium on immigration (with some exceptions for essential positions. ie. Foreign medical professionals to meet medical profession shortages). But if you even bring up the prospect of reducing immigration, let alone a moratorium, you get branded as a racist today. Especially in Canada.

canada takes in way too many. it's insane

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Bill actually shut down the government. He did this MULTIPLE times, until they produced more balanced budgets. He did a lot of libtard stuff but he also did do some deficit hawk things.