Not even bringing guns into the equation, if you use any weapon or lethal force to defend yourself in most EU countries (especially the UK) from an attacker, you yourself can be arrested an criminally prosecuted because you didn't run away and call the police. Even in cases where no damage was inflicted, simply brandishing a weapon or swinging a fist is enough to land you in jail.
How did it come to be that Europeans abandoned the right to self-defense?
Cause defending yourself makes it harder for the government’s thugs (Muslims) to terrorize you and keep you in line, silly.
Dominic White
Both the idea of the self (an entity apart from the collective) and defense (which only occurs with power, or desire to use what power one has) offends their sensibilities.
Selfless submission is much less controversial there for the converse reasoning.
Logan Barnes
self defense is antisemetic
Nicholas Gutierrez
>government’s thugs Only in murica and britain. Here in the nordic countries the government looks afters its people
Ryder Wilson
Can’t have dangerous ideas like that floating around Op. Next thing you know, folks will be wanting guns and representation.
Asher Rodriguez
It's easier to control a nation of spineless pussies than people willing and prepared to defend themselves from any threat.
Charles Sullivan
Police is very cautious in here too. However you can punch anyone as much as you like unless he dies. Then you fucked.
Isaac Jackson
>you yourself can be arrested an criminally prosecuted because you didn't run away and call the police. YOU SOUND LIKE A COPPER OR MILITARY. NAUGHTY user WILL LOSE HIS RANK AN JOB GIBS... BETA WATCH OUT NAUGHTY user.
Justin Taylor
Thought the same thing about Japan until about three weeks ago. This thing is going Worldwide user. Worldwide.
Kayden Jenkins
How hard does an Average Churka need to be punched in order to die?
Zachary Ross
>breathes in
Michael Stewart
Because all Europeans were destined to take BBC an XXL. Literally the weakest fucking people in the world. All Europeans look doughy and feminine.
Jaxon King
This. Submit. Islam means submit.
Justin Miller
>Nordic countries >Looking after its own people
>Finland >Nordic
Whew.
Hunter Gutierrez
Blackpill but true answer: it would increase the cost of healthcare to treat two injured people instead of just one.
Jackson Phillips
Hope you stocked up on booty-lube. Mayonnaise works in a pinch.
If you want actual debate don't start peddling fake fucking news. You have the right to defend yourself in the UK, even with lethal force.
If someone breaks into your home and comes at with you with a knife and you pick up a kitchen knife and stab them and they die, that's legal.
If you chase someone from your home and jump on them from behind and then knife them to death, it's not.
You're another American idiot who gets his whole world view based on pol troll threads.
Jacob James
>Nordic countries are a group of countries in Northern Europe. These countries include Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, and the territories of the Aland Islands and the Faroe Islands. Mutt education again...
I'm simply stating the truth because almost all American threads are dick waving threads or immature threads. I swear every American on here is aged 15 to 25. Full of immature nonsense all the time.
Are you really surprised why you have such a bad world reputation? Have a discussion about self defense but you can't help but start throwing out stupid made up shit making the thread pointless.
Parker Brown
>Have a discussion about self defense but you can't help but start throwing out stupid made up shit making the thread pointless.
Are you trying to say there is an American conspiracy here?
Brody Ramirez
Hitting a POC is racist, even if he is trying to kill you, you should check your privilege and not prevent him from doing what he wants
Josiah Harris
>Implying Nordic is merely geographic
Finns are Asiatic. They're not Nordic.
Dylan Cooper
This desu Russians (Or Roslagen) descend from Swedes & aren't even considered Nordic... whereas Finns, who literally have haplogroup N are
Aiden Diaz
They are making the lambs easier to slaughter.
Aaron Lee
for whatever reason europeans have a mindset that looks to the government as a paternal figure, government has the responsibility to protect them blahblahblah. america was founded by all of the people who felt "fuck off and leave me alone" so strongly in their bones that they crossed thousands of miles into the unknown to realize that lifestyle. this is the fundamental disconnect that is happening when euros/burgers talk past each other when they say "in MY country we do ABC about XYZ surely you can too"
Robert Sanders
No I am trying to say most Americans are legit retarded enough to believe you actually need a butter knife license in the UK. You are all that dense.
>if some stranger in the uk starts beating you with a baseball bat you are not allowed to fight back or you get arrested you have to run away and call the police
You idiots probably believe that. American pol posters are either big city posters like he will not divide us and all non-white or you are country white inbreds who learn about other countries from pol posts.
Really sad.
Lincoln Wright
It's because they scrap a lot, so to them it's still a super pussy move to use a weapon, it used to be like that in the new world too, in my lifetime. They still have massive streetbrawls ect, the kind we used to have too in the USA and Canada, they were fun but then everybody started fighting over drug revenue. Everything they do is done with this reality in mind, there are massive unruly crowds in Europe the likes of which the new world never sees anymore.
Brody Hernandez
Because they don't want people to fight back when the jackboots come.
Easton White
underrated af
Is there any way you can provide some examples of people being screwed over for defending themselves? Just curious is all I believe you but I would like concrete evidence to expand my knowledge is all
Cameron Moore
depends on the Churka but they mostly lay rock and railroad tracks and shit for a living so the mofos are actually usually pretty muthafuckin scrappy
>Is there any way you can provide some examples of people being screwed over for defending themselves?
This is exactly my point. An American makes something up and this one swallows it up. You have no critical thinking ability whatsoever. Now he will repeat the same lines.
Logan Phillips
i don't know if you're right completely but I agree OP is probably exaggerating. And trust me, even if you have the "right" to defend yourself using your illegal butterknife in teh UK, they'll still arrest you for having a weapon.
God forbid the assailant is a minority too. Then you really are fucked.
Dominic Jenkins
>Are you really surprised why you have such a bad world reputation? who cares? seriously, why should we care? we run everything, we're blessed to be insulated by geography, we have resources in abundance. the vast majority of americans don't give a shit and have no compelling reason to give a shit
Alexander Wright
>looks after its people The deludedness of this yurofag. Perhaps Britain, America, and Eastern Europe have the only governments with some remaining elements of liking their people. Scandinavian and China Swede governments are the anti of what you just said.
Connor Gomez
I'm unironically Russian and I don't think I buy into this whole thing 100%
Andrew White
Delete this now
Thomas Baker
Learn to use google you retarded faggot
Jonathan Adams
>"In August 1999 Tony Martin shot dead 16-year-old burglar Fred Barras and wounded his 29-year-old accomplice Brendon Fearon after they entered his Norfolk farmhouse, which was called Bleak House.
There was a public outcry when Martin was arrested and put on trial for murder. With Martin complaining of repeated burglaries and a lack of police action to stop rural crime, many took the view that he had a right to protect himself, his home and his property.
At trial, however, Martin failed in his claim of self-defence.
The court heard he had waited in the dark with a loaded, illegally-held pump-action shotgun, before going downstairs and shooting the two burglars. Barras had been shot in the back, suggesting that he had been trying to run away.
The prosecution claimed that after Barras was shot, he was heard to exclaim: “He has got me. I am sorry. Please don't. Mum.”
They can arrest you for having an illegal weapon such as a gun yes. Not for having a knife, baseball bat, crossbow or whatever.
Do tell... if you shoot someone in your home in America and the cops turn up and see you have bags of cocaine all over can they charge you for that? Oh right, they can.
Just because you are attacked doens't mean all other laws are dropped.
Ethan Murphy
You get carded to buy kitchen knives in the UK. OP might be exaggerating now, but it won't be that way for much longer given the current social and political trajectory.
Grayson Brown
You have some of the worse racial tensions in the world and within the next 10 years every minority will out vote you in every election after that.
90% of social media drama, racial tension, feminism, shootings and whatever is from America.
You are delusional.
Jace Myers
Nigel and/or Hanns using a Russian VPN.
Nice try. Everyone knows once a Muslim immigrant begins beating on you in Europe, you must let him continue beating on you with impunity and then let him fuck your wife. And Europeans are totally cool with that.
Nicholas Bailey
>"The only fully legal self defence product at the moment is a rape alarm."
That was a very controversial case and he was charged because he shot someone in the back.
If you chase a home invader in America across the street and you shoot him in the back you'll end up in court. You got nothing.
Mason Barnes
okay, but the issue at hand was that we have a bad reputation. so what? literally no one in america cares if croatia or london thinks orange man bad or whatever. it's totally irrelevant to our day to day lives
Christian Walker
>You have some of the worse racial tensions in the world and within the next 10 years every minority will out vote you in every election after that.
You and your generation are far more likely to die off from alcoholism before that happens, so don't worry.
David Lopez
You get carded if you look underage. Just like you do for beer. What a big deal.
> but it won't be that way for much longer given the current social and political trajectory.
Your argument now relies on some prediction you made. Wowee.. strong argument.
Zachary Brooks
This is the retarded immature shit I am talking about. You are boring.
Juan Murphy
You might end up in court for a bit, but you won't go to jail for it.
No we just think the average American is a retard and you are pretty much living up to that.
Bentley Sanders
Cool argument.. le vodka russians hurr!!
Is your world view stereotypes? You're moronic.
Jeremiah Evans
Boredom isn't a concern here. Letting Muslims fuck your wives is, and Europeans are professionals in that department. Not necessarily Russians -- then again, Russians aren't truly European. They're always been somewhat separate.
Landon Adams
to be honest it's becoming less of a meme every day
Bentley Richardson
I guess the only option is to use the tried and true playground method of, "STOP HITTING YOURSELF!"
Then just claim the migrant was committing self harm and you were trying to intervene.
A chem ty otlichaeshsya ot Americanczev kogda ty ih nazivaesh' umstvenno otstalimi jirdyayami? Stereotipi ved'
Mason Butler
The problem is unironically the difference in culture. Before the Iron Curtain was torn down and the Great Satan that is America arrived in Hungary, people were much more kind and gentle to each other. The illusion of how beautiful the West is has only collapsed further upon my arrival to Canada. You people are not white and you never will be. You are no better than the savage congolese who live and die by the machete.
Christopher Phillips
You cite one case which by the title was controversial... he approached 2 burglars and told them not to move and they must have come at him.
Really different from chasing someone down the road and hitting them in the back. You are grasping at straws to fit your agenda. Most of your cops shooting blacks coming at them end up in court and that spic guy patrolling the neighborhood who shot a nigger was a huge controversial case.
You act like it's the wold west and you can shoot who you please. Please stop.
Benjamin Reed
They sure "educated" you well, didn't they?
Cameron Flores
Didn't you just elect 2 muslim women? next women it will be double that and so on. Just concentrate on the shit in another countries backyard while bragging whilst avoiding the big pile of shit amassing in your own back yard.
Juan Gray
>that Spic guy EXCUSE ME! Huwite Hispanic!
Ryan Bailey
I would expect this view from someone who lives in a nation where every citizen must carry two passports, and just give up his interior passport whenever a bored cop feels like fucking with him. Oh, and if the interior passport expires and you happen to get stopped by a cop, and he notices? OFF TO THE MILITARY YOU GO!
Outside of St Petersburg and Moscow, Russia is in a persistent state of poverty where fully formed walls are a luxury.
Blake Russell
Cool jewgle translate
Logan Wilson
Russians are descendands of Swedes, originally called Ruslagen Russians are probably the purest IndoEuropean Nordids remaining on the planet Earth desu
Noah Martinez
only eastern finns
Jacob Reyes
We have Trump.
Europe has May. And Merkel. And Spain is Communist as well as Greece. Sweden has a feminist foreign policy and will be less than half white soon. France has Macron
Hilarious. And your country is FAR more Muslim than the U.S.
Nolan Rodriguez
Ty mne ne verish'? Ya priehal syda v 2013 Mojesh' verit' mojesh neverit' mne Fakt ostaetsya faktom kak tam v Rasseushke? Batareyi eshe ne otkluchili?
Wasn't necessarily implying race. I don't question that Russians are white. Russian women are the most beautiful in the world. Culturally, though, they're somewhat eastern and detached from Europe.
Aiden Jenkins
OMG IN THE UK IF YOU ARE 10 YEARS OF AGE YOU GET CARDED FOR BUYING A SET OF CHEFS KNIVES!! IT'S LIKE NORTH KOREA! I SWEAR IT IS BOT LIKE OUR FREEDUMBS!!
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE!
>Outside of St Petersburg and Moscow, Russia is in a persistent state of poverty where fully formed walls are a luxury.
>loses argument >engage red herring
That's real cool, Chad.
Adam Wilson
because they like cock in their boipuccis.
Anthony Baker
No they're not.
Slavonic people were there before three (3) Rus kings showed up to rule Kiev (by invite). 2 died before they had kids. Rurik and his court were pretty much the only Swedes in the region by the 9th century. Then his grandson (I think it was grandson) Vladimir married a Slavonic princess, and made Slavonic the official language, after he was baptized. That was the end of Rus genetic influence on the Slavs.
Jacob Garcia
>We have Trump.
Yeah he is immortal, hmm? Ge will be President in 10 years time? Give me a fucking break.
>And your country is FAR more Muslim than the U.S.
Which it has been for many years and there isn't such a class of cultures that America will have with imported Somalian Muslims. Wake the fuck up.
I'm Nigel Farage in Moscow. I don't speak such language!
Andrew Thomas
Because in an all white society, they got used to being able to solve disagreements through reason.
Joseph Ward
Enjoy your two passports and your Czar Putin, Ivan.
Henry James
Give it a rest, Vlad.
I provided you some examples, you have provided nothing but butthurt as a counter argument. You think anyone on this forum gives any credibility at all to your words? The likeliness of you being impoverished, uneducated and addicted to one or multiple substances while under the jackboot of a corrupt government is already apparent to us. There are countries that have a higher GDP than you with only 1/50th the territory. And these aren't muh stereotypes, these are facts.
Take your hands off your 1985 soviet-made keyboard and let the adults talk.
Justin Sanchez
Nice VPN lmao At least I'm an actual Russian, even though I live in USA
Aiden Campbell
Was sipping some fine Russian vodka earlier with Putin and partying with some Siberian model girls.
Stay jealous.
Austin Young
This guy is definitely using a VPN lmao
Good try Nigel
Cooper Parker
Punch them in the throat.
Charles Brown
Weapon laws are the problem in Germany. Selfdefence is fine as long as you don't get a female judge.
A person who, faced with an imminent danger to life, limb, freedom, honour, property or another legal interest which cannot otherwise be averted, commits an act to avert the danger from himself or another, does not act unlawfully, if, upon weighing the conflicting interests, in particular the affected legal interests and the degree of the danger facing them, the protected interest substantially outweighs the one interfered with. This shall apply only if and to the extent that the act committed is an adequate means to avert the danger.
Ian Cruz
Cardboard cutouts don't count.
Robert Edwards
This is I1 DNA, obviously Russians don't have it dumbass I comes from Semitic IJ family Scandinavians got fucking BLACKED with big Semite Dick during the Viking age Russians are what Scandinavians used to be befroe they got blacked
Brandon Lewis
fuck off kike
Landon Robinson
EU citizens are nothing but fleshy nigger cattle who exist to serve their jewish masters. Every real european man was exterminated in WWII thanks to jewish manipulation on both sides of the battlefield. All that was left are nigger cattle who dont want guns, dont want to be able to fight or protect themselves, and are flesh slaves.
Americans and Russians are the only based countries left, its up to us to revitalize Europe
Christian Brooks
I gave you an actual reply but because you can't admit you are wrong and it goes against your own personal bias you choose to ignore it and spit out ad homs.
Typical American.
I speak 7 languages. Putin is on good terms with me.
I've no doubt you are.. eye roll.. what else are you? German, Scottish, French, Dutch?
Jordan Sanders
Now THIS is British post.
I have no fucking idea what he is saying.
Cooper Martinez
>Here in the nordic countries the government looks afters its people >implying sweden's government looks after it's people
Jacob Roberts
you're really that dense, sergei aren't you? it says admixture, not haplogroups, dipshit
Robert Morales
You are no american you brain dead motherfucker
Wyatt Evans
which means autosomal dna. doesn't sound familiar, vodka nigger?
Anthony Watson
Here we see a classic example of why the whole world respects Russia but nobody respects America.