Who was in the wrong ?

Who was in the wrong ?
Did natives deserved to be removed from american land, or were european settlers doing an evil ethnic cleansing ?

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Morally speaking it was kinda fucked, but the world ended up better because of it.

>but the world ended up better because of it.
How do you even begin to quantify that statement? The world is fucked.

it was a dick move, but it was the natives' fault for being too weak and dumb to prevent it. Unlike muslim immigration, christian immigration was a net positive to the land.

>but the world ended up better because of it.
Many believe a better world would have ment seeing more native american faces when traveling to new york

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Wrong?

They were simply doing what they were able to do, what they were aloud to do.

The same thing happens today during large-scale population movement.

One way or another the natives were going to be conquered. Who could have done a better job?

The Arabs? The Chinese? Russians?

>dude just let hispanic conquistadors treat you like how the american settlers treated the indians

Because without the USA, you wouldn't have shit like the phone you're using or the computer you're shitposting on.

Who was in the wrong?
Did homo erectus deserve to be driven into extinction or were homo sapien migrants doing an evil ethnic cleansing?

Europeans were wrong, but it wasn't anything special or out of the ordinary, it's really that simple.

lol get over yourselves USA

Could you please answer my question?

Lol ok, sure thing son.

Why should we? What can you do about it?

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>Native Americans ethnically cleansed their neighbors all the time
>Meet cool Aliens, they have sharp knives and other neato gear
>Let them camp out
>Get pissed about something
>Kill a few whites
>White come back with muskets, order, military tactics
>Wipe out your tribe
I don't see the moral problem. Everyone is going the same thing, Indios had terrible technology and no society so they lost

>it was the natives' fault for being too weak and dumb to prevent it.
Funny, because american justice does not favor the stronger, and american police defend the weak. American army also pretends to be defending itself rather than attacking the weak. How do you explain that double standard ?

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nobody ever talks about the pre-columbian mass graves

wholesale theft of land, resources and genocide

At least you can see native faces in central and south american city streets, it's not the case in north america

Yeah brb, writing a 60k hypothetical history novel.

No historical perspective. You have to have a nation to have laws. You have to have a nation to be invaded. You can’t be spread out over an entire continent in disparate decentralized low tech primitive culture and say you were invaded.

Except their inventors would have been born in Europe then.

>White consign Indios to terrible reservations
>Develop civil rights
>Bestow it upon the Indians
>Indians use it to get $1.5 billion for the Black Hills
>The Lakota stole the Hills from the Cheyenne
>The Cheyenne get no check from the Lakota
>Other Natives open casinos to bleed poor black people dry of their welfare checks
jars made out of clay baked in an oven

If you don't wanna die; invent guns

we defend our people, even the weak ones
natives were not our people

So if I let them in, they will give me guns in exchange for my jewelry so I can kill those I dislike?

Hmmmm what an interesting
proposition that is hmmmmm.

They lived by survival of the fittest, our brains dont allow for thta, they used culture as a crutch on their own people in order to save the old ways. Sound fqmiliar?

>an evil ethnic cleansing
they wouldn't exist if that was the goal.
they tried to bring proper education and technology and medicine and to people who didn't even have the wheel, unfortunately they also treated them (and plenty of whites, too) pretty poorly

europeans were far behind in antiquity and the middle ages, Would that mean they would have deserved to be ethnicaly cleansed at the time ?
With time, native americans could have been given a chance to contribute to science as well

if that's true, maybe you should have stayed in Asia

RETARDS
Diseases were ravaging the entire American continent before Europeans ever set foot here. The native population was steadily declining at a constant rate of .2% per year over a span of 360 years - John Winthrop recorded when he and his landed, that they encountered no natives for 50 miles inland spare a small group that begged them for protection.

Natives had reached the carrying capacity for the continent for Hunter/gatherers populations and then began to drop off due to disease, warring between themselves, low birth rates, and intermarriage with Europeans when they arrived. You can still look at census records from the earliest census to today, and you will see that natives and native descendents have children at a far, far lower ratio than any other ethnic group. There is also data showing that they married outside their ethnic groups at an extremely high rate.

There was no fucking native American genocide, get that lie out of your head.

You haven't been to Winnipeg, kiddo.

The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must

the land was not empty though, there was a native population living in it

All true.

I'll never understand these comics. They are pro-immigrant comics but clearly make an anti-immigration argument.

easier said when you're on the side with guns

I would rather have Native American nations than this hollow Israeli puppets of mutts and trash.
They could be Africa tier for all I care, as long as they’re not hosts to the Jewish problem

>natives were not our people
they could have been if they were assimilated

The Indians were like 10,000 years of development behind the rest of the world. Someone was going to conquer them.

Abbos didn't have concept of land ownership so whites just took what was free for taking.

That’s a really brave thing to say. I’m glad you people are finally starting to accept that

right if he's claiming to be against a native american travel ban, isn't he implicitly supporting the NA genocide?

Not every race can be assimilated, blacks are still not assimilated after 300 years and virtually no progress either.

The world is better now than it has ever been

Timber niggers were right? How is this a stab?

Most technological advancement is made on US soil but by European scientists, you just provide shekels for our ideas.

tell the athenians about turkish rape, and see how they like to be on the weak side

It was neither right nor wrong. Conquest and conflict is an inevitable part of human existence. They lost, we won, and we'll lose if we let the same happen to us.

No it didn't.

It has been a universal truth troughout history

Have you ever heard of Aztec skull towers - where the Aztecs placed the skulls of their thousands of human sacrifice victims...??
Yeah - we Europeans stopped that stupid shit which had been going on for awhile.

People blame white people for what happen to the American Indians, but it is not our fault that they couldn't handle their firewater and drank themselves into oblivion.

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native americans were farming their land, they understood property

they are in south and central america

Nobody was in the wrong. Eventually the Indian were going to invent sailing ships and navigational equipment - and land in Europe. Or in this case, the Europeans invented these things first.

nobody likes that statement, does not make it false

Natives shot first

Wrong. White people would have come up with those inventions regardless of your meme country and the arrogance that comes with it. Without the USA we certainly wouldn't have wars for Israel, a laundry list of unnecessary foreign interventions since the 1900s and rap music, though.

Because those places are shitholes, you idiot.

so you an do whatever you like as long as you win ?

I see, can I see their written documents which land belonged to whom?

>europeans were far behind in antiquity and the middle ages

lol no they weren't, read a history book nigger

Yes, like it or not, it's the truth

it's fase if you people dont want to believe in it

White Americans and white Europeans are the same people. 200 ish years of separation doesn't change that. Plz no more brother wars.

If they DID have a travel ban, Native Americans wouldn't have been replaced by Europeans. Sounds like it's in their best interest to me. Oh wait...

Remains to be seen. Natives were here for at least 12,000 years, Euros only 500 years. Let's see what the place looks like in AD 14,018.

If a race shows up at our borders with infinitely superior technology medicine education weapons intelligence and moral virtue then we should let them in with open arms and be grateful they bless us with their enlightenment.

Syrian and Mexican and African refugees shit in the streets and light tire fires on eachother and spread AIDS. No thanks, border is closed.

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>you just provide shekels for our ideas.
Even if your retarded statement were true, then the US only funding "your ideas" still means we're responsible for them happening. Are you stupid?

>hurr durr the US isn't responsible for innovation, all they do is fund innovation

is that your best argument, really ?

Plenty of "Indian" faces in the Pacific Northwest.

Almost no one was removed. The Indians didn't own most of the land that whites settled in, or they sold it to whites. Otherwise, they either died from disease or from war due to chimping out like the savages they were.

If they ever put themselves in a position to be genocided, they would've been, but they didn't

Fair enough, but USA Natives were less developed than the central and South American tribes and it still lowered the general IQ to 90.

they were
you're the one who should read

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Immigration is always about ethnic cleansing.
So you can see, immigration into US and Europe is an attempt to kill all of us and it is our responsibility to defend ourselves with lethal force.

so how do you like poland being raped repeatedly by germany and russia ?

Both sides are wrong. It is always the truth.

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By the standards of the time it happened in, they didn't do anything wrong.

You can't judge history through the lens of the present.

That's pretty much what Genghis Khan did. He rode into town and literally killed everyone. It's a brutality that has been hard to equal.

it's all your fault. your wicked imperialism killed them. you made them cry.

>I don't know where the term Indian Giver came from

There's nothing to argue about, nonwhites are not humans therefore it was unoccupied land full of game, case closed.

>Eventually the Indian were going to invent sailing ships and navigational equipment - and land in Europe.
Just like Africa would have built Wakanda right?

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Are we not counting Greeks as European now?

I don't, but your appeal to emotion does not make my statement invalid

at that time there was nothing wrong about it

>Who was in the wrong ?
The aggressor.

>Did natives deserved to be removed from american land
No.

>, or were european settlers doing an evil ethnic cleansing ?
Yes.

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Does it matter who was wrong? It's more important to take note of history and the lessons it teaches us. Just because the Indians let the Europeans in (which is a foolish thought, Indians were extremely fractured and many hated eachother) doesn't mean we're obligated to let in the third world in Europe and the US.

funny thing it only happened in north america then, why not in central and south america I wonder

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Most of the natives died from disease, which would have happened sooner or later because contact between the Old and New World would simply be inevitable. Doesn't matter if Europeans got there first, or if Natives got to Europe somehow. It's a historical inevitability, and it was a completely unforeseen, unaccounted for, unintended consequence of the Left's precious 'globalization.' Wish they would shut up about it.

Truth.

Plz bong you’ve caused more problems then we ever did. Who was it that had Palestine and invited kikes there? Who decided to overthrow a stable Iran govt? Fuck off you dumb cocksucker

so if aliens came with a superior technology, would you accept to be erased by your overlord ?

pick one
>Native Americans had a racial claim to North America, which was extremely sparsely inhabited with 0 infrastructure
>Europeans need to share Europe, which is extremely densely inhabited

I feel that an artist that cannot draw backgrounds to his own political cartoon shouldn't be permitted to display his abortive commentary.

they were not developed in argentina, yet there are native american faces there

This cartoon was made to poke fun at white people who want to curb immigration, but it actually proves their point. Don't think the Natives fared so well with open borders.