Libtard civics teacher in my school asked us to write an essay and prepare a discussion on fascism of Starship Troopers.
So I wanted to ask you if see any way of checking leftist bullshit AND hiding my power levels at the same time...
I mean, how tf are you supposed to say "I think that Arachnids are bad" and not get a response like "whoa, do you want to kill all muslims or something???"
What should I do??
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>the bugs are like the nazis
>the movie itself is a recruitment piece from our leaders
>sure we may have a few issues, but are you saying you would support the bugs / nazis?
tie it into something that they are sure not to support.
On another note, libtard or not, at least you have a teach who is getting you to critically think instead of forcing rote memorization.
Bugs in SST are a hive society with no liberal social structure. The Terrain federation were just being good globalists and spreading McDonalds and starbucks and erradicating organisms that would not accept globohomo
kill 'em all
Simple, just write what they want to hear, not what you want to say.
"Oh yeah, the humans were a little oppressive, but they needed to be strong to defeat the bugs, otherwise Buenos Aires wouldn't be the only city removed from the map. The ends justify the means, but the means were still tough." Boom, paper done.
Just say fascism is bad because it always leads to the Holocaust then say black lives matter a lot
Something about bugs being commies
Something about ends justifying the means and that the destruction of Buenos Aires was likely a false flag to start total war
Something about the federation being evil fascists
You won't change anything by fighting the system, not there. As long as you know why it's wrong, you can write the most progressive bullshit possible.
be the biggest cuck and earn an A
afterwards, you slash her tires
burn her house down
torture for weeks
then kill her
I would argue that the civilization in Starship Troopers (as Heinlein wrote it) is not Fascist. Service is completely optional, and government outside of military life is similar to a libertarian utopia.
Heinlen is a nationalist. He is in no way a fascist.
The bugs are represent Palestinians and the humans represent Israel.
Say it is a misrepresentation of space faring species as any sufficiently advanced group would be unable to war due to the principle of mutually assured destruction and therefore this movie has nothing to do with reality.
Explain that the movie doesn't depict fascism. It depicts a military junta.
Fascism is mass party politics. A military junta isn't mass party politics, it's a society run by a tiny cabal. Fascism is totalitarian. Juntas are authoritarian.
Fascism requires mass participation in politics, inundating people with constant propaganda and getting their enthusiastic participation in parades, rallies, and weekly political discussion meetings. There's a reason why fascism didn't exist before the popularization of newspapers, while military rule is ancient. Restricting government power to military veterans and disenfranchising people without military service records is antithetical to fascism and would make a fascist movement unsustainable, because you'd be excluding huge masses of people from the political process.
Fascism requires the masses to be interested in and enthusiastic about politics. The Starship Troopers movie depicts the junta using education and propaganda, but a society where only a minority of people hold citizenship can't be fascist. It can be authoritarian, militarist, etc, but it can't be fascist.
Not to mention that in fascist societies it was mostly the popularly elected fascist political party taking over the military and replacing it with party paramilitaries rather than the military taking society and excluding people outside the military from government.
So just say that Starship Troopers doesn't even depict fascism. I personally think fascism and juntas are both bad ideas, by the way.
Except starship troopers is an antifascist novel. The author was a libertarian and wrote the world to be a libertarian realists Paradise.
Only retards who get scared at people being patriotic and men shouting think starship troopers is fascist.
Maybe you just have a poor understanding of what Fascism is.
The society depicted in ST is heavily based on the Roman Empire, which is the root of Fascist ideology and the origin of the term Fascism (and is what Mussolini by his own admission was attempting to emulate)
The whole idea that Fascism is a synonym for totalitarianism / suppression of freedom is a leftist meme, which has unfortunately become the mainstream understanding of the term, but in reality has little connection with actual Fascist states throughout history.
Basically, try to imagine a Libertarian state with a highly ethnocentric society, very protective of it's people and culture. It's not socialism - there's no redistribution of wealth in any form, the economy is entirely based on free private enterprise. But there is one people, one language, one culture, and God help you if you fuck with them. That's Fascism - strength in unity.
Except, you're not forced or even coerced to do fucking anything for the state in their society, so how's it fascist in any capacity?
legit advice here
>write your paper exactly how you feel
THEN
>literally change it all 180
>guaranteed A+
>Starship Troopers: Based and Redpilled? A College Student says: Yes
>Democracy ensures that every person gets a voice in how the group is governed. But, since the times of Plato's observations of the system, the problem arises that most people's opinions are retarded, uninformed, and worthless.
>Classical Athens sought to stymie this problem by only having tax-contributing, landholding men of military service, ie: people with a concrete stake in the continuation of the state to have a voice in politics. However, time has shown that this remedy was, if anything, too little.
>Robert Heinlein proposes a future which military service is the only guarantor of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. The reasoning follows that only people willing to give their very lives to the perpetuation of the state are worthy of the privilege of a vote or holding political office.
>And in conclusion I leaf the following words: Hail Hitler
dont get this poor user a F on his assignment guy
Co-ed locker rooms. Ignore the rest of the movie and examine that one tiny slice of their advanced society. Explain how trans people would be welcome in such a locker room.
The movie itself is wrong from the very beginning when they get mad at Buenos Aires being bug nuked.
No Argies would give a fuck.
T. PROVINCIANO.
>Explain that the movie doesn't depict fascism. It depicts a military junta.
Never thought I'd learn something from Jow Forums. But there isn't enough information from the book or the movie to imply that it's a a military junta. The book is literally a boomer fags anger at what he thought was the U.S. going soft during the cold war. The movie is a satire of the authors beliefs, which were quite fascist.
You are deprived of full citizenship (and voting rights) until you serve in the military.
Yes, you are free to live as a civilian all your life, never contributing to the state or society, but that also means you won't ever have any meaningful power or influence that could be used to disrupt the state.
If you actually read the novel you'd know this was the whole purpose of military service in Starship Troopers. It's a way of demonstrating that you value the greater good of the state over your own personal gain (i.e. ethnocentric behavior)
I take it BA is your San Francisco?
>fascism....
>defeated an interplanetary threat
>men and women fully equal in the military
>citizenship requiring service is not unheard of and ensures those who have a say in the collective future truly appreciates the weight of that responsibility
>no mention of noncitizens being oppressed in any way
>strong bond between people of all races because the normal, racial tribal identity has been replaced with a shared identity
>people value science, education, self improvement and knowledge and they value the group's well being before their own
>Is the author trying to portray fascism as a good thing?
You don't have to ever toe the line if you ask the question in the right way. You don't have to say that you think fascism is bad at all. Just ask if the book does a fair job at portraying fascism. "Well, I was always told that fascism is evil. It's hard to identify any evil inherent in the system itself. Either the author is incorrectly portraying fascism or fascism is a good thing, so maybe he is incorrectly portraying it. The only evil thing they did was perhaps warmonger, but that has happened under every system known to man."
>no mention of noncitizens being oppressed in any way
You can't vote if you're not in the military...
What a stupid ass topic.
You should stress the fact that it doesn't matter what system of government they had when they were fighting an endless swam of killer insectoid aliens capable of shredding tanks via power armor with mini-nuke launchers. Conclude your paper praising their government with their timely production of power armored deathdealers who saved humanity from being eaten by horrifying murderroaches.
No he didn't.
That's not oppression.
Fuckin' love beakies.
Not allowing a people to vote isn't oppression? Really curious the lengths you're going to have to go to justify it. Let's hear it.
I mean, voting is a privilege not a right in that universe. Their rights are being oppressed, they simply did not earn their privilege.
aren't being oppressed*
Arachnids have no souls.
Explain how the government of Starship Troopers is not even Fascist, but a Military Junta with democratic elements.
Are the people citizens of the country where they're trying to vote? Only citizens get to vote. In fact the opposite would be true. If non citizens are being allowed to vote, then the actual citizens are being oppressed.
That's what I did. Wrote how evil Whitey was, and got Bs and As.
Watch Sargon's video on the topic, he makes good points in how the leftists failed to portray fascism in the movie.
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Probably 100% what you need to parrot.
See my post, and make those social studies bastards see how they are asking the wrong questions. Then ask them why they are asking those questions, in the way they are.
>Quote the book, not that faggot movie.
“Any group is weaker than a man alone unless they are perfectly trained to work together.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
Except plenty of people contribute to society without being citizens. The protagonist's dad is an influential businessman without being a citizen. It's not a fascistic society
Make sure to include some shit about how it might not be worth surviving if we have to compromise our morals. Instant A+
Neo-Fascism is unironically perfect. It's like if CivNats were right instead of betting on Unicorn farts.
Dude, that "fascism" was literally done to keep the species alive. Liken it to martial law in the face of a threat. Tie it into Abe's writ of Habeus Corpus too if you want; it will either win you brownie points or make the teacher mad.
Easy. Just write:
Fascism is not the method of government depicted in Starship Troopers. It is confused with fascism due to the plot's focus on a military story in a time of war. Would you like to know more?
>ethnocentric
Starship troopers wasn't ethnocentric nor was the Roman Empire
This
The movie parodies the glorification of fascism, but the book...
I haven't read the book. It was boring as hell. Not as bad as Tolkien works though, where it's too much fucking lore and gay ass singing
If you can, just talk about how peace couldn't be achieved by diplomacy, but by sword and studying the enemy to exploit weakness (such as lifestyle, culture, social structures), and no one is truly victorious in the end, or some gay shit like that. Try and somehow fit Dawson's quote into this. Idiots eat that shit up
Military service is open to all. Voting is therefore, open to all. That is assuming that they have other ways for those physically unfit for service to earn citizenship. It's not oppression if it's something that can be earned by all and not denied. It would be oppressive if it was only open to certain groups of people, sure.
If that is oppressive are countries with mandatory military service impressive? It seems much less oppressive to me to give someone a choice than to force them into service when the refusal to serve is imprisonment and loss of certain rights anyway.
Point out that in the US, it was considered every adult male's duty to fight for his country. It technically still is, but most people do not see it that way (particularly liberals, but a lot of cucks who see themselves as conservative, too). In SST, you were not obligated to fight, but fighting was one way (among many) to guarantee citizenship rights. In some ways the SST world is less fascist than the US.
>Libtard teacher
>in Russia
>in 2018
find it hard to believe, bucko :D
>Starship troppers book is boring
>Tolkien's works are even more boring
>watches movies instead
>thinks it is still education
>Murican flag
yup, check's out
>Sargon
>implying you even read Starship Troopers
>implying you even read LotR
>implying you're not Canadian
Lol, you don't get to talk shit about other countries while hiding behind a memeflag
Start with a dictionary definition of fascism then go to an itemized list zero items long of evidence of fascist ideology in the movie.
People who think militarism = fascism
Are you watching the movie or reading the book
The humans are actually the bad guys and the government attacked The bugs to continue the large government policies and control over the humans. Overall the best comparison I can give is the star ship troopers universe is what the neocons want
In the original book, it was made clear that anyone who wished to earn their franchise theiugh service, no matter how disabled they were, would be given an achievable challenge sufficient to prove their dedication to civic virtue.
The only real mistake in Heinlein’s thinking is his assumption that soldiers would be more likely to display civic virtue than others. Turns out this isn’t exactly the case. Nice thought, though.
The book or the movie?
This
Remember the "Service equals citizenship (voting rights)" scene. Only the members of the military could have a say.
the government is fucking run by the military
thats all the information you need
Big brained post, what would you support? Personally I like the American system but I think only tax payers should be allowed to vote
>people look up to citizens for leadership
>disabled citizens are treated with massive respect and as leaders
>no overpopulation
>no starvation
>exploring the fucking stars
>medicine is fantastic, able to repair destroyed tissue and bones in days
>no sickness (talked about in the books)
>non-citizens cannot gain in any position of importance, leaving the leadership roles to those who lead
>humanity is unified
>the poorest poor is side by side with the richest rich in the service
what's bad?
Have you actually read the book OP? If not, then do! It's not at all fascist, you might argue that it's authoritarian, but I don't think that's really true either.
>What do I say?
If you want to pass, just tell them what they want to hear; "fascism is bad, arachnids and skinnies are just like us and need to be given equal opportunity, we're all carbon based life forms".
School is no place for independent thought.
“The government is elected by servicemen and veterans.”
Fixed it for you.
Watch this video, then write something about how Starship Troopers is actually NOT fascist, and is probably as close to utopia as we are going to get. Remind her that when you subsidize something you get more of it. Socialism subsidizes failure, globalism subsidizes corruption, welfare subsidizes Idiocracy... and Starship Troopers subsidizes upstanding citizens.
Italian Fascism has roots in Marxism. There was a lot of government intervention in the economy and it suffered because of it. National Socialist Germany engaged in more privatization and performed much better.
>Only the members of the military could have a say.
Not true. People unfit for military service were given other, equally hazardous / ardous jobs.
So it wasn't just ex military who became citizens.
Oops, watch from the beginning.
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Would say that Starship Troopers is more like National Libertarianism.
So? Militarism is a strong trait of Fascism anyways
Are you just so retarded? They were about to take over as the last line of defense, that just before 2006. They are now preparing again, to do it better, if necessary.
>no u
yeah, expected as much
Star ship troopers is literally about the military controlling the people ways of life. In the star ship troopers lore the government false flagged the bug attack like 9/11 just to keep power. Also utopia does not exist and never will
going by the merriam webster definition of fascism, i'm having trouble seeing what was fascist in the movie (haven't read the book)
maybe your paper could be how they're different, but if the focus is the book, maybe not
>equally hazardous / ardous jobs.
Tomato / Potato
@193727760
terrible response. Not even worth it
no, you should tell him it's not okay to launch an asteroid to the opposing party of your own kind in order to do warfare. it's not about the bugs, it's about human relations
Point out that the movie has actually no fascism and its actually a libertarian utopia but grimdark, compared to the libertarian utopia of Star Trek which is noblebright.
the book and the movies are pretty different. movie is yeah servicemen/vets, but the book allows just anyone who serves the civil service for 2 years the expanded rights, and the civil service isnt just military. in the movie it appears the military runs everything, but the books its a pool of people who have gone through civil service/military service or are still enlisted for career.
OP should clarify if its the movie or book. The book shits all over the teacher, the movie just makes it more of a forced idea that if you aren't a citizen, you are some poor farmer working for a citizen with no rights at all
>19372783
fucking pathetic mutt shill. butthurt turned to 11
I did not imply, but now I'm telling you right out - I read Starship troopers and many of the other Heinlein's works, I read LotR and Hobbit, but I admit I was never autistic enough to go into Silmarillion
now, kindly fuck off, you halfwitted mutt millennial
ooooooh, spicy
In the movie, Mormon extremists colonized a bug planet that they were warned not to and the bugs massacred them. Somewhat insinuating that the attack on Buenos Aries was provoked by the Mormon invasion.
>193728090
oooh salty :DDDD
now enjoy your echochamber
Now that I am an adult the whole star ship trooper movie seems like it is one big false flag on the bugs. That being said the only good bug is a dead one and I would not trust any other species. I don’t even trust niggers
t. retard that read neither the books nor paid attention to the movie.
>what should i do
Read the book and ignore the movie.
The council dindu nuffin wrong, bugs must be eradicated
and doesn't understand meritocratic way of life
because that is the gist of it all
I lmao when people bang on about heinleins books and haven’t read a single one.
He was /our guy/
We must adapt in order to survive friend. Currently a 3.6 GPA and nobody knows I visit this place or that I'm not really just another lefty npc. I'm a spook.
this!
That is what the movie is literally about. Did unit pay attention to it? Pay attention to those would you like to learn more clips, it sums up how bad the star ship troopers government is
the book is not the same as the movie
te leftist shit shoehorned in was by the director of the movie
I thought the gov had partial control over private business in a fascist state. That doesn't sound libertarian to me.
>did you watch the complete fuckup movie that is inferior in every possible metric to the book? Yes goy, the movie is the real deal
Fuck off
>Russia
>Libtard civics teacher
pick one
You are a proxy, right? Can't be you been Americanized that much already.