If you like to pretend to be intellectual and you've got 10 minutes, I suggest you read this piece about the "urban coastal upper-middle-class liberal class". Really crystal-clear writing.
>Therefore, to be precise, the class of people of whom I am speaking are “cosmopolitan” neither in the idealized nor in the demonized sense of the word. They neither bridge deep social differences in search of the best in human experience, nor debase themselves with exotic foreign pleasures. Rather, they have no concept of foreignness at all, because they have no native traditions against which to compare. Indeed, the very idea of a life shaped by inherited custom is alien to our young couple.
A jew recommended me a reading, now thanks last time it ended up subverting the roman empire
Kevin Myers
You really should try it, I think Jow Forumstards like you would love it.
>In short, most IKEA humans’ professed liberal tolerance serves as a thin veneer for a lack of principle. Jennifer and Jason are unintentional Nietzcheans — having no core commitments or beliefs, they fall back on the will to power as their motivating principle. In their tastes, the IKEA humans gravitate toward fantasies of “anti-heroes,” power-seeking thugs and manipulators hidden behind a thin veil of gentility — from The Sporanos to Breaking Bad to the epitome of the genre, House of Cards. In reality, obfuscation is their way of life: outside of finance, they are most likely to be employed in marketing or “brand management,” euphemisms for manipulation and propaganda, and even the most honest young professionals operate behind curated online personae.
Adrian Sullivan
Lmfao
Ayden Johnson
Top kek Cheers Herschel
Samuel Gutierrez
>pretend to be intellectual at least you got that right. social commentary is passe and overdone. we know all about human nature by now and we know that it never changes. the only thing you can do is watch.
Adrian Gutierrez
Society produces certain niches according to the constraints set by its core principles. Now biology teaches us that if there is a niche, it will be occupied ... thus, blaming the occupants is a mistake, instead, ask which parameters allow that niche to exist in the first place. The niche described here, in the end, is one of group-selected parasitism, a development that has first emerged with Mesopotamian agriculture, although back then this niche was 'justified' by post-shamanistic religion. Now assuming we had the means to interfer, what should we do with that niche? Eliminate and supplant its occupants for the cycle to begin anew (assuming the niche fulfills a purpose per se and simply gets corrupted with time)? Eliminate the niche by societal restrictions? Or simply put it on a very short leash (and who will be the new masters then)? My personal verdict: the niche has become dysfunctional. It has veered away from natural order, it has strayed from our manifest destiny. This is a sin. And only fire can wash away that sin. One unimaginable funeral pyre for society as a whole.
>Modern liberals have masked this elite takeover of leftist parties mainly by posing as champions of minorities and other disadvantaged groups. How many Americans have been taught the mythology of To Kill a Mockingbird — that the upper middle class, exemplified by lawyers, bravely defends minorities against the attacks of the inbred lower orders — when in fact the lynch mobs were often led by middle-class professionals? Just as the NSA, a secretive bureaucracy that has violated the Constitution by spying on all Americans and lied to Congress about doing so, pastes a picture of three smiling black female employees on the homepage of its website, so the universities, corporations, and political machines justify the existence of a privileged elite by offering a few places in it to women or minorities. Constant appeals to “diversity” in colleges and hiring serve to rationalize social inequality, on the grounds that class hierarchy is acceptable so long as the upper classes include a representative ethnic sampling.
There are two great geopolitical blocs - the sea powers and the land powers. Right now the sea powers must extract people from the land powers via immigration and then impose a lowest common denominator culture on them. That's why nationalism is so detested - nationalism still has the power to scuttle the sea powers project for global domination.
>Rather, they have no concept of foreignness at all, because they have no native traditions against which to compare. Indeed, the very idea of a life shaped by inherited custom is alien to our young couple. >When Jennifer and Jason try to choose a restaurant for dinner, one of them invariably complains, “I don’t want Italian, because I had Italian last night.” It does not occur to them that in Italy, most people have Italian every night. >For Jennifer and Jason, cuisines, musical styles, meditative practices, and other long-developed customs are not threads in a comprehensive or enduring way of life, but accessories like cheap sunglasses, to be casually picked up and discarded from day to day.
Fuck, that hit home, everytime someone asks about the benefits of immigration "LOOK AT ALL THESE RESTAURANTS!" is almost always the first and usually last thing they can directly point to.
Daniel Perez
israel isn't a legitimate state
Ayden Taylor
>the sea powers and the land powers. which countries are which and have they changed over time? why would you say that a country is sea or land? germany wouldn't be a sea power would it?
Logan Green
It's amazing how left wing writing can actually be incisive and descriptive when it doesn't hold itself to the various built-in copes that come with leftwing politics, now. Marxism is still a kind of degenerative mind virus, but some left wing dissidents get it - globalisation is not synthesis.
Gavin Johnson
all revolutionary thought tends to be incisive, its whole point is to re-present the images of the status-quo in a way that looks revolting(lel)
Anthony Gutierrez
Be careful now, discovering what leftists are actually saying (instead of the vacuous strawmen constructed by Jow Forumstards) is what turned me left-wing...
Alexander Torres
and what is that
Cameron Jackson
>If you like to pretend to be Anyone who uses this and similar expressions is a 100% confirmed sub 110 IQ brainlet. >Really crystal-clear writing. Oh, really crystal-clear writing? Surely not just crystal-clear writing? Thanks for this much needed and informative emphasis.
Please refrain from burdening us any further with your repulsively plebeian diction.
Landon Scott
>IKEA has torpedoed laws that would require them to disclose their sources It's interesting too that most of the Left and Right find how large companies influencing law as something that needs to change. It's common ground.
Juan Turner
Oh, not one specific thing. It's just that leftists aren't the mindless and hypocritical drones always depicted here. In fact, their writings are a thousand times more intelligent and intelligible than the hodge-podge offered by right-wing "thinkers".
Aiden Campbell
hans leave the jew alone we all know where this road leads to
Logan Davis
right wing thinkers dont do societal critique, they build rockets, bridges, flying killing robots, and financial scams
Isaiah Turner
Ah, no I actually came here from the left because I was tired of being called a biological essentialist for wanting to protect children, a racist for being born in the skin I'm in etc...
I realise that a lot of clickbaity SJW talking points are themselves degenerations of the points of people like Gramsci and Marcuse, but you can't get away from the fact that these people, too, had a flawed conception of the material world, no sense for the spiritual, and could only justify their corruption by altering the world around them.
Consistent with Leftism. I still love Zizek because he doesn't give TWO FUCKSHHHH but even he isn't above some good old fashioned Marxist "if I can invent a term for this kookiness it is justified."
Juan Jones
I actually wish we could collaborate on the things that matter to us but I'm a fucking fascist, apparently :/
David Jones
>IKEA humans are quick to attack the racism of rural “hicks,” I found the part about racisim to be close to my own personal experiences. Much of my free time is spent with black and/or hispanic people. My 'Liberal' friends are uncomfortable in the places I enjoy. And yet, they would call me a racist because I believe we should follow the Constitution and laws more. Because of my leanings they are quick to judge someone like me as something I am not. My experience with the Left is more about their appearance than it is about who they are.
The left used to be for closed borders because cheap foreign labour would hurt the working class. Now they're pro-immigration/anti-border because it's racist otherwise and wanting to look out for your own economic self-interests is akin to child-rape, unless that involves marching across a continent to break into America/sailing across an ocean to break into Australia because that's heroic.
Christopher Thompson
something based of the depiction of the Veneerings must be good. Thanks for the post.
its just normal leftist thought, i dunno why it surprises you that they would attack the sacred cows of the current system
Charles Ross
There really is a lot of common ground between what we are told are mutually exclusive groups. Like the Left vs Right meme. Be a Yank like me and if I tell someone something I like about Trump they fly off with a lot of assumptions. Same goes if I say something I dislike about him. It's crazy black and white thinking (pun not intended) nowadays.
>Get in your bucket and stay over there.
Jack Baker
Good read op. Im not sure it actually taught me much i didnt already know, at best gave the backstory to said things only, as far as new info is concerned.
8/10, bit i never give a perfect score so take that as you will.
Bentley Morris
It is good. My logic may still prevail over it though ... but I do value the mutual respect with a worthy adversary :)
See the same problem, come to different conclusions. No miracle here.
Leo Clark
Is this picture a crop from a larger painting? I reverse image searched and I googled 'faner' but I can't find it.
Joseph Watson
No, I understand that this was the reserve of the old Left. I'm not a very young fellow. I just had assumed (from talking to every single Left wing person I know, some politically active and some not) that the realm of thought had been deliberately reduced to a small, Room 101 sized space.
Furthers the notion that politics is aesthetics because broadly we agree that there are a set of problems, there is some overlap but our diagnosis differs. We are about returning to things that are eternal, simple truths perhaps. They love a good theory, even if it is BOTTOMTEXT
Austin Allen
What the fuck up with this guys post? Looks like spam bot nonsense, kinda?
not the same problem, the problem to the author is that liberals are posers, the whole argument is a not-true-scotsman, he is trying to solve his cognitive dissonance by an appeal to some sort of new false consciousness by which the liberal has his socialist angst virtualized by corporate shenanigans. But he doesnt question why it is that those seeking social-mobility would pretend to spouse leftist values in the first place, or why they are promoted by corporate capitalist greed in the same place, look at this quote right here:
>Some will point out the tolerant attitudes of young college-educated Westerners, who are less racist and homophobic than their forebears. This is commendable, but an incomplete foundation on which to build an ethical life
"Its not enough!!"
Al the rest, the critique of the vacuity of modern life is just normal socialist critique of industrial alienation but transposed to contemporary life
Leftism is the theology built around the theory that political action can solve the sense of solitude in the deracinated human spirit
it depends on what step of the hermeneutic ladder the leftist is at
Adam Bennett
i like ikea
Easton Baker
Thanks. A profound analysis of the white liberal class.
Michael Wilson
The analysis is outdated in that it now understates the size of the global village. Even people who live in the sticks have no sense of cohesion yet are connected to everything.
Sense of belonging comes only in absentia with the contact to outside. We have internet and supply chains far too long for that to be the case.
tl;dr: Everyone is a commie libcuck, even if they deny being so.
Blake Foster
>hermeneutic ladder I had to look that up because I'm a big brain Nibba :.
Ayden Kelly
also this article is fucking trash. >heres this dickens book i read >ikea big company, big company evil >heres this random book i read about some flood >here are some tv shows i watched >sense of individuality and community should be in "balance" >politics big business, big business bad >elite universities have rich people, rich people bad
really the only sentence even possibly worth discussing is > If one is not attached to a way of life structured by inherited values and customs, then one is unlikely to be attached to anything at all.
which is very little for a 5 million word essay. the only ones surprised or impressed by the "clear writing" or analytical style of articles such as this are those who are unaware that there are two major currents in modern leftism. the "traditional", analytical-critical, economics oriented, flavor of leftism, and the younger, "intersectionalist"/feminist flavor. while these disagree on whether to put more emphasis on economic or ethnic/gender inequalities, the most notable difference between them lies in their communicational styles. while writings of the first kind are usually presented in a prosaic style that shows a true passion for social analysis and joy in uncovering bourgeois hypocrisy, writings of the second kind are usually characterized by a feminine concept of communication. these contain expressions like "why we should stop doing x", "and that is a good thing", "toxic". they never contain actual arguments or analysis. they make authoritative claims on what to do, who to ostracize, etc. the authors never want to appear as really making these claims in their own name, nor do they put forward any substantial reasons to follow them. the whole function of this kind of writing is in showing allegiance and submission to the dogmatic rules accepted by the other women. it is 100% the same kind of rhetoric and "verbal behavior" as that which one can already observe in the socialization of little girl.
Matthew Johnson
Good read so far! >It is significant, though, that the speech taboos of the modern educated class constrict the names for every conceivable social group except for class—whereas archaic names and epithets for blacks or gays have been cast into the outer darkness, “white trash,” “redneck,” “hick,” and “hillbilly” remain acceptable, if rather slangy. The liberal obsession with speech regulation serves to reinforce, not to break down class distinctions.
Jaxson Thomas
This is where we agree but also the point of departure. Because what do they propose as a substitute? It always gets wishy washy, whereas at least a reactionary position can describe itself.
Angel Allen
think of it as a pair of glasses you put and by which you can extract the correct party narrative from analysing happenings as if they were a text. (Due to the fact one access most of their notion of what is going on through journalism and media (texts, or audivisual texts at most), its almost inherently a part of getting informed unless you purposedly go meta.) Its like a narrative-cookbook made up of recipes for interpretation, built up of word redefinitions and categorical remapping, that "transform" reality into a dream-like shared virtuality that all havers of said glasses can access with you, wherever they are in the world, whatever language they use.
And the ladder is just a ladder, more serious leftism is just a step above, but is all built up from the bottom up, by which i mean, there are no "more truths accesible up the ladder", but rather, a broader view down so a broader solving of possible cognitive dissonance. The upper the ladder the more leftist kung-fu you have accesible to avoid looking at realities that contradict the world-as-seen-through-the-glasses.
Jaxon Price
That's kind of the meat of the problem. The world is officially a set of material realities, but the only correct lens to define and approach these is this set of ideas. And despite the hard, material nature of reality, humans operate within this only through particular mores and socialisation. I have real trouble swallowing any of this. There is no room for "is" - there is no room for anything good and natural unless as mandated by the accepted framework.
William Perez
no, because the map is not the territory, you just feel that way cause you are overflown by informational input
Nathaniel Moore
This kraut is spot on on the tankie vs feminist style of argument.
The insidious thing about feminine style of argument is that it is valid to represent power relations as hyperconnected graph, as opposed to patriarchal style of top-down hiearchy.
Issue with the graph is that it is much, much more difficult to label all the relationships correctly and various interest groups attempt to use such argument to expand power from their edge - there's no objectivity.
Hiearchy works because top simply always dictates to the bottom what to think, and there's no choice in the matter.
tl;dr: Feminism would work, only if everyone would be objective about their roles - but it is the nature of female psyche to almost never do that, unless conditioned to do so.
Jack Turner
"You don't understand it because you can't understand it, Goy!"
Kevin Sanchez
Its not trash, but it was rather mediocre. Was too long for its message, a few paragraphs before and after the Clintons that should've been deleted.
I agree he should've focused atleast a little bit on the intersectionalist part, felt like the author never went far enough on the obsession of his Ikea pets. It had the rebellious teenage girl feel all over it, but the first few paragraphs deserve recognition for being a decent analysis. Even though similar thought would appear in basically everyone, no matter the education/status/experience.
when i think about it, it was kind of trash. The ikea comparison is a cheap comparison. Especially in how he depicted kamprad. He knew nothing of the man or his commitments.
its really hard to get jacked off the matrix this way though dude, you are asking me to use text responses to wake you out of text, its way easier if you just start going out more, doing exercise, eating well, and puting boundaries to all the communicative technology around you compeeting for your attention. In medicine semiotics relates to interpreting how the body communicates, all modern alienation angst stems from the fact your internal signals are being spoken over by all sorts of crap around you, its like if i gave you to eat a turd with those really strong artificial sweeteners that completely override the taste of the turd, or like when you burn your mouth with hot muzzarella and you cant feel flavours for a while; your senses go numb and you get shut off of reality for a while
I've been hearing this kind of talk here and there lately. It reminds me of Thoughts in Language and Action by Samuel Hayakawa.
Lucas Carter
I'm all for reducing external noise, calming internal noise and healthy focus. I just want to understand what the ascendant leftwing position really is, or what even a penultimate state for progress would be without, as per the article, a currency union without borders and with central banking.
Dominic Taylor
Language in Thought by Hayakawa Sr., Language in Thought and Action by Hayakawa Jr.
my bad.
Jacob Torres
More formally, Godel's incompleteness applied to social theory. You just start with a common sense assumption, such as "which system balances hedonism, progress and self-perpetuation the best".
Levi Moore
Of course language defines the contours of our understanding. Of course it is a later development built on top of our natures and something that nature itself is not beholden to. But I also wonder if that this isn't a bit of a trick because it's occurring in a context where the lexicon has already been deliberately shrunk.
Mason Morgan
theology of political action, its literally an immanentization of the eschaton
Daniel Flores
Yeah, but if we're going to war for heaven, what does heaven look like?
Lucas Rivera
we dont have to war for heaven if we are not gnostics
Evan Watson
>what does heaven look like? Nobody knows, except game theoretic formal models (objective byt dry), or extrapolative fiction such as Huxley or Orwell (subjective but fun).
David Roberts
The Left wing position is to take from you. Anything they can. This, is what drives them. What material and non-material things do they wish to take? Money, work, happiness, individuality, happiness, self-worth, self-esteem, intellect, freedom. This isn't the Liberals of old that would support free speech, creativity, new ideas, etc.
These are Leftists. They think differently. They want control because they have none. There are some intelligent Leftists so do not confuse intellect with self actualization. They have little internal control so they wish to control others. Self worth is played out through societal structures without thought to them.
Matthew Cruz
The author is correct in saying that is not enough. This is a problem which has been known essentially throughout all human existence - what is the meaning of life?
This problem has been solved many times by different religious and intellectual sects, but was ultimately settled by Christ. Human life is obviously meaningless in the context of the vast universe. However, thr Grace of God gives meaning to our lives. The core of human existence is therefore love, community, family, and a strong True religion to know God before we die.
You are correct in saying leftism is political theology. That's exactly what it is. Leftists ignore the meaning of life given to us by God, and try to re-create it with Government and Collectivism.
The author has a good insight into the root of modern upper class leftism but his thesis: (you can never be both an individual, and be a fully fulfilled human being) is incorrect. God created us as individuals with Free Will, but also gave us a need to find Him and create Community. Modern cosmopolitans have (some) Free Will, but no True community, and modern Statists have no Free Will.
This brings us back to the central theme of. Jow Forums - what caused the West to lose itself in hedonism and Nihilism? The answer we see time and again is a small organized group of "redpilled" individuals manipulating society to destroy our social, moral, and intellectual fabric. Why are ((they)) doing this? That is up for debate.
Fascism was never meant to be a fully Statist solution. Hitler and Mussolini envisioned creating a true Community for their People while promoting self-awareness and eradicating a certain ((undesirable)) element. It is still an open question as to wether Nazi Fascism or American Christian Independence are the best method to achieve our God-intended ideal state of Human existence and awareness.
i think the feminine style is never legitimate. it misuses the only tool we have for understanding each other (language), and uses it for manipulation, although not consciously, and thereby damages, subverts it. the quality of public dialog has noticeably decreased, palpably weakening the fabric of civil society. and people don't even see why. they think it's because of "globalization", or a "more complex world", "abstract fears". but the obvious root is the degeneration of language into a tool of power, caused by the increasing influence of women on it. a trend which might not be reversible without the society which has now been reduced to a coliseum of moralist rhetoricians burning down completely
Easton Nguyen
Hello, Ted. Friendly reminder to not mistake collectivism for leftism. Neoliberalism is still left, but it does protect certain things necessary to run the system (mainly Money).
The core distinction dates simply back to french revolution - left is about individual liberty, often at expense of higher achievers. Right is authoritarian tradition for aspects where necessary - be it monarchy, or family.
Economics can be bent in a lot of directions with respect to both directions.
>left is about individual liberty funny i kinda recall the guillotine getting rid of all non-partisans, and even of partisans when they became strategical nuisances
Jordan Cooper
Fuck, I got the 'Ted' The Left in my country wants control and Collectivism is big too. Most of the Collectivists are neither Left or Right so to speak. I wasn't referring to economics when talking about Left and Right.
Justin Morris
I'm mainly interested in formal, game theoretic models of society. Frankly most of politology outright pretends verifiable models don't exist for many of their dilemmas. It's just shitton of rhetorics.
Simply put, patriarchy and nationalism oversimplifies, but at least it works as a system even if not most efficient. More nuance, by switching to graph models, you can bring more efficiency.
For example such nuance is recognizing outliers of groups which achieve less (women, niggers), quantify that, and then look for the outliers and correct for widespread stereotype in their case.
This is what AA was supposed to be about, not this "systematic oppression of ancestors" bullshit. But the theory never went past workable models, and you get a circus where underachievers of the protected class, not their productive outliers gain privileged status and become a parasitic class. This bad outcome indeed is rampant, but it would work if everyone was simply honest about how stereotypes, elementary statistics all come in to play.
Hudson Lee
THIS
Parker Gonzalez
>jacobite re-coins the term swpl years late to the party
Jack Morris
>demonizes modern culture >uses a game of thrones example to illustrate >complains about arbitrary taste Go fuck yourself OP
Liam Brown
Several posts later, you hint at a leftist position but can't articulate what you want.
Julian Garcia
I think they certainly want to wrest control over all aspects of life.
Asher Wilson
Liberals always tend to eat their own. This is why all libertarian utopias are the equivalent of failed state war zones. Predisposing something on NAP is laughable, this is why conservatives are so pro-tradition in the first place.
What a fucking lie. I would bet you most Pol tards started out left wing and it was cold hard facts that made them go far right.
Anthony Moore
blood is the grease of the gears of politics
Kevin Bailey
Nu/pol/ ruined this place. You are being so nice to these kikes that they feel comfortable using their own flag instead of a meme flag or using a VPN. You cunts need to go back to plebbit and the kikes need to go back to hiding their synagogue of Satan flag.
Benjamin Cooper
I understand what you're saying because I wasn't familiar with the term, and while I think rightwingers tend to desire direct action and binary thinking - this is a cope to avoid our question. If not hyper corporate faux liberalism that derascinates peoples and destroys lives, what then? You don't have a working model for your system and that isn't inferring that we're expecting something perfect.
You always work in the same way. "Perhaps, tomorrow." Nothing means anything in your worldview.
Nolan Butler
I like to pretend to be all sorts of things. It’s fun! I really am smart, though.
Easton Perez
I'd say it's money these days. Plebians chaotically balkanize, patricians run orderly firing squads (or gas chambers :).
Evan Gutierrez
(X) Doubt
Eli Collins
>social commentary is passe spoken like a true pleb
Jonathan Hill
No amount of well written essays can change reality into what you want. Most of modern Right wing thinkers deal in facts.
