Why were ancient Greeks so fuggin gay.
Pic related, Zeus with his little boy.
I can't even play God of War with a straight face, without knowing in the back of my head that Kratos is probably getting a little too comfortable with his boi on cold nights.
It's the water
they already knew what a fucking meme women are
you sir a gay
it's not gay when the balls don't touch. and everybody knows that boys don't have balls yet
patriarchal societies are bound to have above normal homosexuality
keep telling yourself that
it's a valid observation backed by logic
We have never been perfect and it was just a weird product of it's times now with all of our history's we now know the truth and shall unite and bond these broken shards and become whole.
I have balls
They were not, it's all kike BS to slander Greeks because jews absolutely HATE Greek culture.
Greeks and Europe in general were progressive without being degenerate before the Jews came and brought Christianity.
I'm sure its a valid observation of muslim society
Bruh, it's well documented. Jews didn't force your philosophers to call boy love the purest form of love. They didn't force you to draw buttfucking on vases and shit.
is that because of amalek?
geyboi btfo
maybe the penis was feminine.
Practically all the Greek gods and heroes had sexual encounters with men. Zeus, Apollo, Sylvanus, Dionysus, Archilles, Poseidon, Hermes, Perseus even our bodybuilding fan favorite Heracles could not resist boy hole, with multiple bois
Ganymede wasn't Zeus' "gay lover." That's a later interpretation first popularized by a bunch of 17th century faggots who were probably molested in public school and looking for an outlet.
Ganymede was a supernaturally gifted young man (not child) who Zeus spirited away to Olympus to raise to godhood. The position of wine bearer carried with it no homoerotic undertones. Again, this is a later supposition.
Socrates himself states that Ganymede was selected by Zeus as a student thanks to the young man's wisdom, not as a lover for his beauty. This indicates that there was probably an original, far less pedophilic, version of the tale in antiquity. Socrates is a pretty decent source, as far as sources go.
Certain people will always try to corrupt the original myths to better suit their own perversions or to defame the gods of our ancestors.
This, however, is mostly true. The gods did have a load of gay lovers - they just weren't children.
Daily reminder that out of 80,000 pieces of ancient Greek pottery found, only someyhing like 600 depict homosexual acts.
Even if you had a point, Ganymede was just ONE of the many. Zeus engaged in beastiality, rape, incest, pedophilia, homosexuality. Even morphed into Swans and raped a bitch, morphed into a woman and raped Callisto
well please explain this logic.
I agree that a Patriarchal society does and would have and intrinsic sexual focus to deny this would be denying any form sexuality while the extent of such focus can vary but based on J. D. Unwin's studies he found a direct correlation between the society's/tribes sexual promiscuity and it's achievements. The larger any form of sexual acceptance is present within a society the more so it pushes upon the bonds that hold any community together whether it be civilisation or tribe for you see there is an psychological necessity for both sexual intimacy as well as societal fidelity, ignoring the biological factors these factors allow for both a more productive family and a more productive society by increasing the bond between man and wife along with raising mans consciousness from physical desire to the stars.
>that flag
>casually inserting pedophilia into the mix
No. Ganymede is the only example of Zeus' supposed "pedophilia" and, as I have just shown, this interpretation holds no water. Stop trying to validate your sick behavior via blasphemy, boy fucker.
pls ignore so many of the grammar mistakes I was rushing.
Validate what? This is what Greeks believed. This is what their philosophers supported. Absolute Kek at your denial and attempt at historical revisionism.
Theres no basic to it
A matriarchal society can very long keep weak men and force them to a life of solitude.
We're not in a patriarchy you retard
>some nonce (most likely from Crete) privately commissioned a cup to immortalize his grotesque sexual exploits
>this means that Zeus and all the gods were pedophiles
Flawless logic. I expected no less from a Eurotard.
can very well*
Starting to get tired
semitic paganism seeping into aryan paganism. Greeks stood no chance.
The greeks are the reason why I believe homosexuality is a social construct.
They had no word for it. the Greeks had no word for "homosexuality" despite all the gay shit that was going on down there.
Maybe, just maybe, "gay" is something that you do, not something that you are.
out of 80.000 pots and amphoras that have been found, only 600 showed homosex. this age has far more homosexuality than greeks ever had.
>this is what Greeks believed
>here are a few cherry picked examples in privately commissioned art that all come from one period and from select cities in Greece (Athens/Crete)
By this logic, everyone living in the 21st century must be a raging faggot.
a lot of Muslim societies aren't as patriarchal as you assume
but yes you can see it in the ones who are
i didn't say it was a negative thing
it just is what happens
>We're not in a patriarchy you retard
i didn't say you are, unless you're an ancient Greek time traveler
it's a spectrum, i'd say for the west you're leaning to a matriarchy more and more
no it is a neurological defect.
shotaboipussy
>i didn't say it was a negative thing
>it just is what happens
did you even read my point fucks sake, I gave plenty of reasons (not just for it being negative)for why there is no innate sexual desire that goes beyond heterosexuality within a patriarchal society.
There is nothing wrong with being a shota
>i'd say for the west you're leaning to a matriarchy more and more
It can't even work you retard it is doomed to fail or at very least be run like a house which is a severe problem for a nation.
>Privately commisioned.
>Was supported by the upper class throughout Greece and practiced by even the warriors.
Keep that denial going
>By this logic, everyone living in the 21st century must be a raging faggot.
Uh no, as far as I know pedophiles are outright discouraged in the western world. Not embraced unlike in ancient Greece who embraced pederasty and did not start to criticize it until the begining of christianization.
You're trying so hard.
Literal patron hero of pederasty
didn't say can work
We're a hypersexual species. contrary to pretty much every other mammal species we don't have a mating season, our females are in heat all year round and there's so much fucking going on that it boggles the mind.
So our species developed non-reproducing forms of sex. Oral sex, Anal sex, pedophilia, homosexuality, bestiality are all adaptations that developed after the agrarian revolution. We couldn't fuck around anymore like before in monogamy, a young man had to aquire some wealth in order to get a wife. Since girls were closely watched over so their virginity stays intact, and we still had that hyperactive sex drive, our ancestors found other things to fuck.
That's the simple explanation. Also "homosexuals" are made by homosexual experiences. I find it obvious that the first sexual experiences are imprinting future sexual behavior. Makes sense evolutionary - repeat the behavior that resulted in sexual success. If you're unlucky those first experiences will be with another boy or your dog or whatever. Then it might become a habit.
>Was supported by the upper class throughout Greece and practiced by even the warriors.
>a couple of upper crust pederasts (again, located entirely within Athens or Crete and only at a certain point in time) wrote about being fags therefore Zeus and all the gods were pedophiles
Your leaps in logic never cease to amaze.
>all of Greece embraced pederasty
Citation fucking needed.
I see now, clearly a Greek upset that his ancestors were pedophiles.
>implying Socrates wasn't black.
Well yes, we're in the decadent end-phase of western civilization. That's a bad thing for everyone, you know, because we europeans single-handedly pulled humanity out of the dastardly shithole it existed in.
All the shit around you that's of any worth originates in Europe. When we fall, everything falls.
>I have no argument therefore I'm just going to start randomly assuming people are Greek
Epic.
based and boipilled
every GOD should have a smooth adonis in their pocket
There is nothing to argue, about something that's been documented by scholars for centuries. The absolute state of your denial.
I'm not assuming anything. I expected you to be Greek only because you referred to Greeks as your ancestors. If you're Anglo, they're not your ancestors dumbass.
i guess you can claim that if you consider the industrial revolution a good thing, and it's ramifications of disregarding natural selection and earth's biological limits
>So our species developed non-reproducing forms of sex. Oral sex, Anal sex, pedophilia, homosexuality, bestiality are all adaptations that developed after the agrarian revolution. We couldn't fuck around anymore like before in monogamy, a young man had to aquire some wealth in order to get a wife. Since girls were closely watched over so their virginity stays intact, and we still had that hyperactive sex drive, our ancestors found other things to fuck.
I never stated that every women was a virgin and to put simply sexuality is not the drive for a species it is simply the oil that allows the machine to work.
And yes agreed man seeks other gratification
and the most base minded scum then it is sexual gratification that is the whole point of wanking and for the even lower scum then it is which kinks I wish not to say, so you see gratification goes beyond simply sex and the superior man learnt to control his urge and marry and fuck some girl at 17 or 20 something.
That's the simple explanation. Also "homosexuals" are made by homosexual experiences. I find it obvious that the first sexual experiences are imprinting future sexual behavior. Makes sense evolutionary - repeat the behavior that resulted in sexual success. If you're unlucky those first experiences will be with another boy or your dog or whatever. Then it might become a habit.
No it is a neurological defect if it wasn't than more than 5% of the population would be gay, there is no reason for it to as you say "not work" unless there is a defection. It makes complete opposite to evolutionary sense for you see nature simply sees the self the family line and for the self to survive it must breed, homosexuality encourages a self destructive life style both psychologically and evolutionary.
If nature wished to destroy itself then we would not be alive and heterosexuals would be the norm.
It is not based on nurture rather nature.
>i guess you can claim that if you consider the industrial revolution a good thing, and it's ramifications of disregarding natural selection and earth's biological limits
It was a good thing in the sense of technological advancement but the ideology of the time is a product of Jews.
>about something that's been documented by scholars for centuries
>muh scholars
Plenty of scholars have held alternative views about Ganymede, and your supposition that pederasty enjoyed universal and spiritual support throughout ancient Greece is absurd - no scholar says this. What you have to remember is that there was a - well documented - pedophilic clique within the field of Classics at one point that sought to legitimize their activities by looking to the past. Anything published on the subject must therefore be taken with a grain of salt.
Pic related may be true
"Happy is the lover who works out naked / And then goes home to sleep all day with a beautiful boy"
Could you imagine if athletes actually participated in the Olympics naked today?
We got all this progressiveness, and lgbt rights and the ancient Greeks were still ahead of us in gayness.
That's a pretty good ratio, r-right?
My ancestors were not gay fags, homosexuality in ancient Greece was not tolorated, only the elites were doing it some times.
Are Canadians the new Greeks?
>Pic related may be true
who the fuck is retarded enough to think the kikes actually said this
y..yes..n..nooo
the story of Zeus and Ganymede was added at a time when the people were turning against pederasty because it was feminizing their young men. It is just propaganda.
I lieu of ability to play with a straight face, can you play with a raging homosexual face?
>Greeks were not gays
>Only our rich peoples were gays
KEK
So basically the majority of the upper class people who represented the absolute forefront of Greek excellence and culture.
You guys do know that Anti-Greek sentiment is a core principle of the cultural marxists who own the university system right? Why are you playing on enemy lines?
>b- but they were gay
They also knew how to keep their women in check and were the first great European civilization
So you're saying Ancient Greece is less homosexual than the modern West? That's like saying America is less feminist than Sweden.
Lets take away the 75k pots crafted by hopeless mud farmers just looking to store water.
best case scenario, 20% of greeks were and still probably are homosexual pedophiles.
Lol, this is precisely what this (((European))) wants you to believe. He wants you demoralized; that's why he attacks the religion of our ancestors by making sweeping statements about pedophilia. He wants you isolated and against your gods, so you'll accept the Jews as your "teacher" in order to fill the spiritual void.
You're trying too hard to deny reality. Did all Ancient Greeks practice fucking little boys? No. But it was accepted. There isn't any criticism of it based on the age of the people involved. None whatsoever.
See I don't get this........
Why would cultural marxists or Jews have an agenda against Greece? GREECE IS FUCKING BROKE. It's not a world power, has no influence in 2018. It's barely it's own country at this point. It would better serve the Jews to attack actually functioning societies. You know Germany, Sweden, Norway, Poland? France, Netherlands, Japan etcetera why in the fuck would Jews waste their time on Greeks? "We Wuz in the past" does not cover the shitfest that is present day Greece. They literally have not been a use to anyone since Rome and Turks fucked them. Since then they've been at war on the interwebs with Turks and balkan slavs. If Jews really wanted to do some damage they'd turn Thor into a black transexual.
If Jews really wanted to
What religion of your ancestors? You're not even Greek and their religion was not Christianity. Your ancestors, the Celts, were massive homosexuals as noted by Romans. Saying that many European pagans were tolerant of homosexuality makes paganism, if anything, more attractive in the Europe of the 21st century.
KEK
This mother fucker must not have gotten the memo that present day Greece is christian, they rejected their gods a long time ago buddy.
Well you see, Europe never was muslim until christians brought their brand of islam, and we aren't muslim in the present either.
>20% of greeks were and still probably are homosexual pedophiles.
How retarded are you homosexuals maximum only make up around 3 to 5% of the population what is wrong with you?
good bye you desgusting paedo covering faggots
Why not?
better than fucking a greek woman
hairier than gorillas
Hmmm we'd have gather some statistics, but if Italy (Rome also practiced such things) is any indication of Greece than you could be right. As Italy leads the pack in Europe in terms of male sex tourism to foreign nations to have sex with underaged boys and girls.
telegraph.co.uk
>ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Pornography and Trafficking) estimates around 80,000 Italians travel abroad every year to pursue sex, particularly with young children in South America and Africa.
The Empire lives on. Only they evolved into spaghetties.
>There isn't any criticism of it based on the age of the people involved.
>that flag
You need to be told water is wet? The writers whose works come down to us represent 0.001% of the population. Of that 0.001%, maybe 3% wrote in support of pedophilia. Absence of overt literary criticism indicates nothing. You can't ask someone to prove a negative - that's a fallacy.
>What religion of your ancestors?
Generally speaking. If he attacks the gods of Greece one day, he'll be attacking the gods of Denmark and Norway the next.
>This mother fucker must not have gotten the memo that present day Greece is christian, they rejected their gods a long time ago buddy.
Due largely to subversion and out and out force, yes. Constantine forced Christianity in the East, and this is well documented. When your places of worship are being systemically dismantled for their gold, even in the farthest reaches of the countryside, and you have a military industrial complex that is largely in favor of Christianity due to its ability to engender "compliance and unity," then you have little choice. Memories of what once was can only go so far. The Emperor, not the apostles, made Christianity what it was. And he was a singular figure.
It was different. All in all, Greece was pretty traditional.
Taking it into ass or mouth is for faggots. Nothing wrong with tearing some faggot's ass as long as your wife gave you many children though.
There's no need to attack the gods of Denmark and Norway, and no one ever does. Their gods weren't a bunch of paedophiles and flaming homosexuals.
"The sagas in the Old Norse language include no stories of gay or lesbian relationships, nor direct reference to LGBT characters, but they do contain several instances of revenge enacted by men accused of being a passive partner in intercourse, which was considered "unmanly" behavior and thus a threat to a man's reputation as a leader or warrior"
The wasn't sticking his 16 inch lightning bolt up Baldr's ass on tuesdays mkay.
*Thor
And here comes the d&c. You would undoubtedly attack them via a different route. Again, you have failed utterly to show that the Greek gods were in any way pedophilic. See weasel.
Right, he seriously wants people to believe he's not Greek, when he calls them his ancestors and capes for them this hard and passionately. No Anglo cares THIS much about Greeks. We are dealing with a wog immigrant, super proud of his heritage, but not enough to stay in his motherland. Go figure.
>but not enough to stay in his motherland.
Says the cunt with a (((European))) flag. I note that you still haven't managed to actually refute what I'm saying in any way and have resorted to backbiting and ad hominem - typical of your sort really. And, for the record, I'm half Norwegian and half English. I simply can't stand snakes like you trying to undermine the south's history and heritage at every turn.
>roman records on 'barbarians'
>reliable
sigh
nibba, it means homosex was not as nearly wide spread as christians and liberals say it was.
They literally pimped out their own sons.
>The erastes-eromenos relationship played a role in the Classical Greek social and educational system, had its own complex social-sexual etiquette and was an important social institution among the upper classes. Pederasty has been understood as educative, and Greek authors from Aristophanes to Pindar felt it naturally present in the context of aristocratic education (paideia). In general, pederasty as described in the Greek literary sources is an institution reserved for free citizens, perhaps to be regarded as a dyadic mentorship: "pederasty was widely accepted in Greece as part of a male's coming-of-age, even if its function is still widely debated."
In Crete, in order for the suitor to carry out the ritual abduction, the father had to approve him as worthy of the honor. Among the Athenians, as Socrates claims in Xenophon's Symposium, "Nothing [of what concerns the boy] is kept hidden from the father, by an ideal lover." In order to protect their sons from inappropriate attempts at seduction, fathers appointed slaves called pedagogues to watch over their sons. However, according to Aeschines, Athenian fathers would pray that their sons would be handsome and attractive, with the full knowledge that they would then attract the attention of men and "be the objects of fights because of erotic passions".
Greeks were FUCKED
probably just a salty christian. Read The Darkening Age. Has lots of funny shit. Christian priests being tempted by demons who took the form of 'beautiful dancing boys from Ethiopia', priests in Egypt ditching the churches to pursue little boys and sending their own to beg Roman governors to martyr them, and when the governors refused, they screeched about how pagan romans actively persecuted them
>In Crete
Exactly. As has been repeatedly stated, in Crete, at a certain point in time, among a select minority - not the whole bloody nation, not the entirety of its nobility nor the gods, and not throughout antiquity - you fucking snake. Now try actually refuting to this or are you too much of a rat shit to even engage honestly?
>be me
>visit this link
en.wikipedia.org
>"a comedy written by the Greek playwright Aristophanes in 391 BC."
>"The play invents a scenario where the women of Athens assume control of the government and instate pseudo-communist reforms that ban private wealth and enforce sexual equality"
>391 BC
>communism
grug hate hammer and sickle tribe
KEK
The Greek still reaches.
Megara cultivated good relations with Sparta, and may have been culturally attracted to emulate Spartan practices in the 7th century, when pederasty is postulated to have first been formalized in Dorian cities. One of the first cities after Sparta to be associated with the custom of athletic nudity, Megara was home to the runner Orsippus who was famed as the first to run the footrace naked at the Olympic Games and "first of all Greeks to be crowned victor naked". In one poem, the Megaran poet Theognis saw athletic nudity as a prelude to pederasty: "Happy is the lover who works out naked / And then goes home to sleep all day with a beautiful boy."
In Athens, as elsewhere, pederastia appears to have been a characteristic of the aristocracy. Attic pottery is a major source for modern scholars attempting to understand the institution of pederasty. The age of youth depicted has been estimated variously from 12 to 18. A number of Athenian laws addressed the pederastic relationship.
In Thebes, the main polis in Boeotia, renowned for its practice of pederasty, the tradition was enshrined in the founding myth of the city. In this instance the story was meant to teach by counterexample: it depicts Laius, one of the mythical ancestors of the Thebans, in the role of a lover who betrays the father and rapes the son. Another Boeotian pederastic myth is the story of Narcissus.
According to Plutarch, Theban pederasty was instituted as an educational device for boys in order to "soften, while they were young, their natural fierceness, and to "temper the manners and characters of the youth". According to a tradition, The Sacred Band of Thebes comprised pederastic couples.
Nice try but pedos were all over, try again.
why am I not surprised?
You can see that mentality in all fetish related content. A small group of Furries pay these unfathomable amounts of money to get their degenerate filth drawn in droves just so they can claim that it is popular, you know just like a certain other deranged porn fetish that is spammed everywhere.
>Unpopular
Pederasty in ancient Greece was a socially acknowledged romantic relationship between an adult male (the erastes) and a younger male (the eromenos) usually in his teens. It was characteristic of the Archaic and Classical periods. The influence of pederasty on Greek culture of these periods was so pervasive that it has been called "the principal cultural model for free relationships between citizens."
>Twas just a niche, the blacked of it's time
KEK
>he STILL can't answer this
To be clear, the original argument had to do with whether or not the Greek gods engaged in pedophilia. Unable to refute what I said in relation to this, you then diverted the discourse towards showing how pedophilia was endemic to all of ancient Greece, another sweeping assertion you have also failed to prove. Nobody is saying that there weren't instances of pedophilia in Greece, but your claim that it was a fundamental part of their shared culture is entirely false. Plutarch, a renowned pederast is hardly a reliable source. Though I note it's about the only ancient source you've provided thus far. As has already been stated, the writers represented 0.001% of the population, and, of that 0.001%, maybe 3% wrote in support of pederasty. We're talking a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. To add to this, if you had actually studied Ancient History as a subject, you would know that ancient literary sources are treated as being universally unreliable because these people were notoriously biased (go figure). If you attempted to stake your theory on ancient literary sources alone, you would never get published. Now, please get back to the topic at hand - Ganymede - or fuck off.
You can keep calling me Greek all you like, but that won't make it so.
precisely