Suspicious history

The germans were constantly being bombed, their factories and research facilities were often completely destroyed. They had brilliant scientists and engineers but were unable to effectively test their designs leading to them being extremely unreliable.

For example, when the Germans invaded Russia, they were surprised to find that the Russian tanks were superior. They had to quickly design new main battle tanks that could compete against them. This lead to very short and sporadic R&D cycles and overengineering. The tanks were sent out of the factory with no testing and broke down often.

As far as the planes go, the germans were very advanced but they again suffered from lack of proper testing, leading to reliability issues. Also again factories were being bombed left and right, making it difficult to even produce significant numbers of jet planes.

In short, the war was too far advanced in the Allie's favor for jet planes, new tanks and better equipment to matter.

the germans also had remote controlled drones capable of carrying bombs short distances

theres lots of cool shit the germans had

the nazis weren't close to a nuke at all. Their enrichment plants got bombed and a bunch of scientists who were at the forefront of atomic technology were jews who fled to america.

Dogfighting was the relic of the past and it only happened on Asian front, Zeroes excelled at that until pilots learned EF and BnZ is the way to go.

262 was super vulnerable during landing and after take off. Once it gained enough speed and altitude it could zoom away until Kraut pilot made dumb mistake.

Um no.

Germans could deal with T-34 and KV's they encountered more armored tanks in France and developed proper tactics. Like 60% of destroyed T-34's in 41 were destroyed by 37mm.

German planes weren't more advanced. Brits had Meteor which was also a jet and it did see some action in shooting down V-1's. Allies had better planes in general I can name few like P-51 and Spitfire/Tempest.

Goliath seen really limited use and didn't had much impact. It was cool but at the same time it was expensive as fuck.

>1st rocket

with no guidance system

>1st jets

with no fuel

>most advanced tanks

with no fuel and that were always breaking and hard to fix

>completely overrun?

Because they were outnumbered and out supplied with their munitions and factories getting bombed to hell

>inb4 it was just a lack of resources

That's exactly what it was

this

The 262 was aesthetic, and it's a shame that it came so late in the war

>If Hitler and his nazis had focused on completing and testing the atomic bomb before they begun the war with the world they would have won without having to fire a shot.

It's numbers. War is all about logistics and the allies could spam lesser quality planes. Only about 1400 were produced in total.

Goering really thought the Me 262 could have changed the war but the German war economy was in a pretty rough place by late 1944.

But the ME 262s that did see combat were very effective. Problem is the allies had air dominance and would often hit the 262s while they were on the runway, or taking off, or landing.

panthers, tigers, king tigers and the other late war tanks all had high attrition and most broke down before reaching the front. this was noted during the battle of kursk. it is a fact that german panzer IIIs were being tested interwar in Russia and the soviets legitimately thought they were hiding their MBT from them. The only reason german tanks won against T34s during operation barbarossa was superior tactics and doctrine

>why do I feel like something else, something >>much bigger, happened that was terrible, but historians just wrote it differently to keep something secret?
It's no secret. Hitler did something really stupid on 11 December 1941 and after that had no chance.

Exactly and on top of that Germans didn't really had proper equipment to retrieve their broken tanks, even if they had they were on defensive so a lot of tanks were left behind enemy lines. T-34 also had two man crew so commander was overloaded with a lot of tasks.
Even if they had fuel it wouldn't matter. They would have to produce Me-262 in significant numbers, improve engine lifespan and you can't fly a plane without a pilot. German training system for pilots near the end of the war was so bad. Newbie pilots had to go against better trained pilots US pilots that had much more experience also at that point then average German pilot.

For the 100th time, Germany was running out of fuel. All resources were scarce but having no oil was literally crippling. The large scale, quick moving tank operations from the start of the war were no longer possible, simply because there was not enough fuel. That's why the smart ass meme about silly Germans over engineering is bullshit btw, when you have resources for building two tanks but know you have hardly enough fuel for running one of them, it makes easily more sense to built one bigger, larger, heavier instead of two.

Suspicious indeed
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Wouldn't call Allied planes "lesser" quality. P-51D or H were pretty much peak performance props. Merlin Spitfire was proved and very strong and it could run at +25 lbs boost. Griffon was even better. Tempest was bane of Germans below 3 km.

If the axis had unlimited oil they would have won

Literally 90% of their problems were related to lack of oil, both on the strategic scale and even the smallest problems. The early jet engines had bad enough reliability but it was reduced even further because the crappy synthetic oil the Germans had was almost useless

>TIK
read a book nigger.

As for the italians, their navy was almost completely inactive due to lack of fuel to run sorties. They still managed to close down the Mediterranean to allied shipping for almost 4 years despite this

Japs of course had similar issues.

he's not wrong and pretty good and summarizing books he reads, so i can skip those and read others

Hitler's ideafix was a SUPER DUPER WEAPON.
He was just a moron with corporal tactic skills.

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>and a bunch of scientists who were at the forefront of atomic technology were jews who fled to america

Do you seriously believe that?

The way that nearly all the inventors of the a-bomb happened to be Jewish just reeks of them claiming credit for captured german scientists work.

>1st rocket, 1st jets
Germans are smart, and they were desperate. They put smart people in charge of expensive R&D to do whatever it took to win, and they did so. Never mind that a V2 rocket may have had more ballistic energy than warhead energy.

This isn't staggeringly novel information BTW. You give smart people money, they can make a Chevy Lumina run competitively in NASCAR.

Germany lost because there are a limited number of Germans, and a limited number of people willing to work for Germans. Germans fought the war because 80 years ago it seemed a good idea to field an army and conquer territory through mass warfare.

Their production capacity was absolute garbage. The old joke that "One Panzer is worth ten Shermans, but there's always an eleventh" was a very true factor in the war.

In fact, it was so true that this was a major element in Japanese military planning for their war with the US. They recognized the US could pump out about 200 ships for their 50 or so per year, so the only hope they had was to cripple the US' capacity for power projection and then sue for a quick peace. They failed in their objectives and their most dire predictions then came true.

1 versus everyone else

No idea why they lost

The energy = warfighting prowess meme is retarded. Germany lost because Russian, UK, America and anybody who wasn't paid by Germany fought against them. People win wars, not economic factors you fucking communist.

This.

Of the literal hundreds of accounts I've READ* from German officers ranging from Lieutenants to Fieldmarshals, the overwhelming factor cited for them fighting a losing war are numbers, not fuel.

>Inb4 "Oil = numbers"... erm no not when it comes to sending countless Soviet human wave assaults made up of illiterate peasants assault for years.

*Not watched a video by some Captain Contrarian shill who wants views from presenting some leftfield opinion.

Agreed.

It strikes me as a Gen-X thing where they watch YT clickbait vids instead of reading actual accounts of the people doing the fighting.

>Germany lost because there are a limited number of Germans, and a limited number of people willing to work for Germans. Germans fought the war because 80 years ago it seemed a good idea to field an army and conquer territory through mass warfare.
This is a lie. Germany had no chance of winning. At the beginning of the war Germany was outnumbered more than 6 to 1 by the French. France had 17000 tanks and Germany only 2500.

Not only, that but if they managed to win against the French, Germany did not have oil sources to allow it to conduct on-going large scale millitary operations. The Allies controlled 90% of the world's oil.

Nobody starts a war that they know they can't win. In 1939, Germany simply responded to Polish aggression. The Poles were making continuous, ongoing, cross-border attacks for 2 months before there was a response. They had to defend their people.

The war went on because of the harsh allies demand. The day after the British declaration of war, the British printed out their demands for peace in the Times of London. They wanted to put all German men into forced labor camps. As slaves. Literally.

When the United States joined the war, they devised the Morgenthau plan which called for the physical extermination of the German people.

Germany fought on in desperation. This is similar to what happened in WWI and in the Pacific war.

ding ding ding!
Hell, this was obvious even in the early phases of the war when the allies still had inferior planes but in greater numbers: even if mechanical performance is inferior, certain tactics combined with numerical superiority will eventually win the day.

Know what else is crazy? The Soviets had lost like 2/3 of their manufacturing capability to occupation, huge amounts of their resources as well, all in the Ukraine and Belarus. And yet they still mass produced equipment in every category far beyond the Germans who at the high point of the war technically had a far larger economy than the Russians, but for some reason did everything halfassed and with one hand tied behind their back until it was too late.

Germans just totally mismanaged every single aspect of total war. But the oil issue was still out of their hands. Germans could have kept up with production but failed to do so, the only thing that was not practically avoidable was the oil issue. But if they had managed the war effort better they could have taken the Caucasus, and then who knows.

>Polish aggression

lmao

>Germany did not have oil sources to allow it to conduct on-going large scale millitary operations. The Allies controlled 90% of the world's oil.

The Soviets were giving them plenty of oil, it was only Hitler's betrayal of Stalin that led to his resources getting cut off

>1st Jet
Nope. British.

>most advanced tank
Again. British.

The United States was also top dog in radar and computers at the time, to say nothing of its dominance in manufacturing technology and procedure. Germany was only really ahead in rocketry, everything else they were on par or behind on.

They over extended themselves nothing else

>>Polish aggression
>
>lmao
Seriously, why would Germany start a war with no plan on how to win it? Just because you've been told something over and over doesn't mean its true.

It wasn’t remote controlled the way you’re making it sound. It had a wire it was attached to.

It was a novelty that saw limited use because it was almost as dangerous to the user as the enemy, due to its short maximum range mostly.

The fuck? That video is excellent.

Because Hitler was stupid and overconfident.

Hitler thought he could intimidate Britain and France into helping him invade Russia. If that didn't work he expected he could easily take France (which was true) and then Britain (which wasn't true). After that he wanted to invade Russia. Invading Eastern Europe was always his number one priory.

Some of that was thanks to Good Ol' Uncle Sam:
>427,284 trucks
>13,303 combat vehicles
>35,170 motorcycles
>2,328 ordnance service vehicles
>2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (57.8% was aviation fuel, the rest gasoline, diesel, and oil)
>4,478,116 tons of food
>1,911 steam locomotives
>66 diesel locomotives
>9,920 flat cars
>1,000 dump cars
>120 tank cars
>35 heavy machinery cars
>An additional 53% of reported Soviet ordnance goods (ie. the US provided more than 33% of the Soviet Union's ordnance during WWII)
>Several complete factories from the US, dismantled, shipped, and reassembled in Russia
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_Soviet_Union

The US' production capacity was one of the greatest elements of the Allied victory. None of the Axis Powers could scratch American factories and refineries, the best they could do was hope to spot and sink merchant ships.

>Germans could have kept up with production but failed to do so
Very unlikely, if you include America in the list of states you're comparing. The US' unique confluence of most important industrial materials plus distance from the front lines made it an extremely advantageous ally.

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And Hitler was stupid and overconfident because the entire nazi high command was abusing methamphetamines on a constant basis.

Just like the US's leftists.

>Because Hitler was stupid and overconfident.
What's the basis for this assertion? Let me guess (((education))) and the (((history channel))).

If that was so, there would have been some plan to deal with the situation. But there wasn't.

It took them 6 months to design a plan to deal with France. They were able to win because the French strategy was to portray the Germans as the aggressor by trying to score a 'defensive' victory. This gave ample opportunities.

They never had a plan to deal with the situation they faced afterwards. They couldn't do an ongoing air-campaign against the UK because of the lack of fuel.

>Hitler thought he could intimidate Britain and France
This is so stupid. How are you going to intimidate someone who outnumbers you 7:1 and controls over 95% of the world's oil supply?

And that other party also knows that you cannot carry large millitary operations on a long-term basis. They know all they have to do to win is hold out a little.

He didn't think the French or British had any army that could oppose Germany, and he was right.

He wasn't aware just how good Britain's air defenses were though, and that was his first problem when Goering and the Luftwaffe failed to destroy Britain's airforce.

Plus, the sweet supply of fresh planes the US was able to provide.

Radar had an effect too. Everyone was using it for at least range-finding, but it seems like only the allies were advancing the technology further.

They only developed these weapons late in the war and even if they started to mass produce them (they mass produced high quality tanks and airplanes) they still wouldn't have enough oil and qualified men to run them.

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not just the high command
from memory they issued amphetamines to regular footsoliders
and the japs had these weird pills theyd give to their pilots (preddy sure they were also amphetamines)

we even had nukes in 1944 already but they were totally worthless when dozens of divisions were still running us over and we had no air superioty anymore

It doesn't make any sense what you are saying. You are just regurgutating what you learned in (((school))). Think a little before you write.

>He didn't think the French or British had any army that could oppose Germany, and he was right.
If he thought this, there would have been a plan to deal with the situation.

It took them 6 months to find some crucial flaws in the French defenses.

>He wasn't aware just how good Britain's air defenses were though
The ultimate British air defense was the Germans have no fuel.

I am willing to believe that.

100>1 is a hard fucking thing to overcome. Apparently the goyim love them some usury. And you had better not try and stop it.

This

The Jews denied the Germans the right to rule. They built the bell and flying saucers. Take back your birth rights goyim. Notice how technology has ground to a halt after ww2. But it boomed when Jews were out of power in ww2. It is a part of nwo. To make us powerless.

it's very fishy same like our UFOs n sheit... many stories,people today actually found radiation on the grounds ect. no total proof only 50% truths so we can't really know but considering that we were leading in everything compared to the world it would be stupid to say that we germans were not smart enough for A bombs

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>People win wars, not economic factors you fucking communist.

"an army marches on its stomach."

Oh you mean SS dressing up as Polish soldiers to provoke incidents? Read about operation Himmler and Gleiwitz incident you uneducated fuck.

It’s not about smart. Germans didn’t have nukes, the most they made was heavy water. Germany was 4+ years away from a nuke, the Soviets only got one because the US/British nuke teams were massively infiltrated.

until the 90s the world blamed germany for the katyn incident until russians finally said YEAH HAHA LOL WE ACTUALLY DID IT OOPS
fuck off with your fairytales of so called german crimes

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>a plan to deal with the situation

There was a plan, wait to mop up Poland and secure the border with the Soviets, restock the army, take oil imports and other supplies from the Soviets and then invade France the next spring which is what he did.

>The ultimate British air defense

The ultimate British air defense was Hitler's obsession with invading the Soviet Union. Germany had plenty of fuel during the Battle of Britain what they didn't have was a total war economy that could churn out planes. They also had a Fuhrer that got butthurt about Britain targeting German civilian populations and forced the Luftwaffe to target British civilians in retaliation instead of targeting the far more critical british airfields and industry.

Sure Hitler had terrible strategic ideas, but those only started becoming apparent during the Battle of Britain and Barbarossa. His conquest of Poland and France was very competent.

Wonder weapons are a meme.

First jet? Yeah! Me262 went to service in April 1944 ... British Meteor got operational in June.

King Tiger? Panther II? IS-3, T-44 were entering service. Americans introduced Pershing. Brits fielded Comet and worked on Black Prince.

That's funny, that the only country with real wonder weapon were the US.

And even then, the Soviets only achieved First Light by 1949.
However, they only became a real threat to the US homeland as of the launch of Sputnik in 1957. That proved they could send a nuclear warhead anywhere on Earth, eliminating the technical gap between US and Soviet strategic bombers.

Honestly just watch this.

youtube.com/watch?v=sbim2kGwhpc

Total bullshit. Whole world new since 1943 that Soviets did it. Nobody cared because defeating Germany was a main priority.

>we didnu nuffin
You Germans are really niggers of Europe.

>be German subhuman that starts both world wars exterminating majority of European population and commit various atrocities and genocides
>70 years old later on Mongolian fishing board stormfag autists is in denial and coming up with his version of history cause he's too retarded to use actual facts
Shame Bomber Harris didn't wipe your family.

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we produced tens of thousands planes and for the meme battle of monkey island we used only a few thousand planes
don't act like this was a big deal or that we even really tried
göring DID miscalculations sure but this event did not changed anything in the war and at the end we destroyed more UK planes than they destroyed ours so meeh

The US had already determined that the Soviets were responsible for Katyn in 1950.

Germans however were responsible for ~3 million ethnic white Christian Poles dying and millions of other Slavs dying in Belarus and Ukraine.

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actually 25 million soviets and 7 million poles died because of us :') get your facts right

the germans should have just given the Panzer IV a bigger gun and a simpler engine/transmission

dropped all firearms production except for the KAR98 and MP40

And built a fucking heap more fighter/interceptor planes using off the shelf components

also not honour their treaties with japan and leave them to fight the USA alone, freeing them up from potential invasion by the coalesced western forces that fucked them in the ass, while Russia was not only persevering but starting to push back.

An aside, the Poles still make the finest Crystal in all of Europe. Ireland _would_ qualify, but they outsourced everything to China.

>advance tech
Eh, in some aspects, in others Germany was well behind the curve.
America for example had a far more advanced automotive, plastics, and radio technology base.
The panzers were so well coordinated thanks to having a radio set in every tank; while impressive for European powers, the USA had a radio in every home during the dirty 30's to receive the fireside chats from FDR, and many kids were playing with early vacuum tube HAM radios as a hobby.
The Brits were all excited about their crappy “Chain Home” coastal plotting radars that couldn't determine altitude.
The Americans had radars on their warships that fed into room sized mechanical fire control computers to give them unparallelled gun accuracy.

And of course let's not even get into atomic research; the Heisenberg Device had its critical mass calculation wrong and would have gone supercritical during assembly, and that's even if they would have collected the materials needed and processed it to a high enough purity.

Hitler might have given much to the R&D departments of the 3rd Reich; but it wasn't “super advanced”, it was just where they focused resources and it bore fruit.

Doesn't matter you produced 10K or 100K planes you fucking retard. Your planes lacked range, they couldn't stay for long enough over British land to make any difference, any shot down pilot was captured and wasn't able to get back and UK had radar they used very well to kick your ass

I won't even address the rest of your claims cause they are so dumb it's just waste of time.

They didn't have superior tech in the air. The Spitfire was vastly superior to anything they had which is why they lost the battle of Britain. They never had air superiority again after that. The doodlebug could have been effective but a British spy fed the Germans false damage reports so they never zeroed it on London. They had better tanks though.

>event did not changed anything in the war

Goering's failure meant Hitler deciding to invade the Soviet Union without securing his western flank. If he had forced Britain to the peace table his oil problems would have been solved forever and Japan would have never bothered dragging America into the war. Yeah it was a big deal failing against Britain.

do you have any proof for that? for germany there are so god damn many stories what we did ect. but at the end no total proof 50% proof something was real 50% proof that something was not real
like your mission to antartica after the where you lost dozens of war ships and thousands of men because of no real reason but then many told stories about UFOs ect....
we can't tell for sure but with nukes we have some documents for their proof and some areas in germany with so much radiation that only a nuke could explain it
we soimply can't tell but for me i just believe it instead of the 50% who denies it

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More like 6 million Poles total 3 million ethnic Christian Poles and 3 million jews

only ~1.3 million Jews actually died in the USSR the rest of the 20 million were white Christian goyim that the Germans slaughtered by the millions

If the Germans kept up the pressure and targeted only airfields and industrial sites they probably would have won the Battle of Britain.

It was only Hitler's methed out delusions that kept them from winning, his obsession with bombing civilian populations in retaliation, his desire to invade the Soviet Union as quickly as possible, etc.

nazis won the war as they perfected their bell craft which allowed them to travel dimensions. the allies agreed to nazi terms which were to falsify the history of the war and make the populace dumb rocks through the use of nazi tech. the thule and other societies like anenerbe made contact with some malicious entities before the war, human sacrifice needed so they would get the advanced technology.

>>There was a plan, wait to mop up Poland and secure the border with the Soviets, restock the army, take oil imports and other supplies from the Soviets and then invade France the next spring which is what he did.
Germany secured a treaty with the Soviet Union. It was the only possible support from outside of a country with meaningful power. But Poland had 17 treaties with the Soviets. The Soviets reassured the Poles that they would be on their side, if they started the war.
Hitler knew that even if the Soviets decided to side with them, exactly what level of an ally they would be. In other words, not very helpful.
They didn't provide Germany with much fuel.
The plan for the invasion of France wasn't ready until 1940 because France created an opening by insisting on scoring a defensive victory. It's called "Case Yellow", you can read about it on kikepedia or anywhere else. It wasn't ready during the invasion of Poland.

They had tech and good officers, allies had resources.

unironically this.

V2 was useless and only makes sense if you slap a nuke on it. This plus their large fleets of Uboats things make sense.

The nazis had enriched uranium by the end of the war, and had they not got steamrolled by the commies they would have been in a better position

Ironically, had Germany managed to produce an alliance with France (which was impossible with Hitler as head of state) Europe (and Russia) would most likely have come under the dominion of that alliance.

Fast-forward to modern times and what a curious situation Europe finds itself in. At least the Germans have forgotten how to build a war machine, and they still haven't made up 100% with the French.

churchill was a hardline german hating jewish indebted pupped who would accept 20 million death british more instead of peace with hitler
their pm before him sure that would be totally different because he never really wanted war it was only thanks to america that this all started in the first place

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>A hostile or "negatively" aligned collective of non physical inter dimensional entities made communication with the Nazi's pre-WW2. Soon after a counter collective of non physical entities began communicating with the American government. Do not think of this as a good vs. evil scenario. WW2 was and still is, an outsider vs. outsider war which became a human on human fight. Neither collective was, or is, particularly pro-human or benevolent. As irksome as the truth is, the Nazis won WW2 when they perfected their Die-Glocken or The Bell (an inter dimensional, and parallel reality time travel machine powered by red-mercury). With this near ultimate weapon, the Nazis forced America and Europe to concede defeat, and submit to the Nazi's Fifth-Column victory strategy. As part of their surrender America and allied powers, would pretend to win the war, and thereby educate (indoctrinate) future generations with false information concerning WW2. In addition America, and most of the world, would raise generations of idiots slaves; watching, drinking, eating and interfacing with Nazi technology (now fully integrated within the American corporate power structure).

>Soon after operation paper-clip, there was a coup within the Pentagon that weakened Nazi influence. An event occurred in which race of extraterrestrials offered to help America deal with our inter-dimensional problem.
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Here's some of the guys who worked on the German atomic bomb program.

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gernot_Zippe
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Steenbeck

They were the ones that made the Soviet Nukes as well.

The German materials landed in American hands, and eventually on Hiroshima.

nukes are a hoax

No, Germany ran into a brick wall in their nuclear research. The Soviet Bomb was built off of espionage during the Manhattan Project, and even then it took half a decade to reach fruition.

Confirmed retard who doesnt know history

>muuh u boats.....
total meme... we had over 1000 u boats but most of them were suicide 1 person NEGER
actual strong u boats were only in the 100s

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>Poland had 17 treaties with the Soviets.

Poland had one non aggression treaty with the Soviets, but the Soviets broke that in order to ally with the Germans because they wanted to gobble up the Baltics, east Poland, west Ukraine, etc

>They didn't provide Germany with much fuel.

Soviets provided Germany with all the fuel and resources the Germans asked for. Stalin wanted to ally with Hitler mainly because the Brits and French refused to ally with Soviets.

France didn't want to ally with Germany they were France's main rival.

>jews forced Germany to invade Poland

lmao

Chamberlain wanted war btw he personally gave Poland the bullshit guarantee that Britain and France would defend Poland in the Germans invaded a promise which of course they failed to deliver on.

Doesn't matter because first you need to drop these bombs which is quite hard, when your own fighters are tied to the escort of bombers that fly slow and not that high.

Germans fighters had to fly low and slow while British attacked them from above with Spitfires while Hurricanes went for bombers. Georing was still living in WW1 era and had no clue about modern tactics or doctrine it was primarily his decisions that made British pilots life's easier.

they were close to capturing moscow but got caught in a polar vortex anomaly. temperatures dropped quickly and became life threatening low. they should have seeked shelter immediately but hitler ordered them to press on. many froze to death