There is literally no argument against Socialism...

Fuck off, DSA.

How do you decide who has to do what? Lottery? What is someone's motivation to do their job?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Well Comrade, I see it is within your ability to survive back-breaking state-farm labour for twenty years, and your only need is two turnips a day!

Now, if you're still reading, let me iterate more lucidly.

A system where everybody is payed the same does not promote excellence.

In fact, if you won't get rewarded for working any harder, then the most sensible thing to do is work as little as you can get away with.

And that's amongst other reasons how Socialist Economy syndrome happens, and why Socialist countries are poor shitholes with no industry, and rampant crime and corruption.

Because nobody has any reason to do anything above the bare minimum required to get their turnips.

the same as any other economy
the only thing that changes is the workers own the means of production

Convincing argument fucko

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Britain in 1975, the eastern bloc throughout the 20th century, Cambodia, Vietnam, pre-capitalist China?

History literally does a fabulous job of explaining why your beliefs are shit.

it doesnt, it just needs to start in a homogeneous. technically i guess my argument is more an argument against contemporary implementations of socialism.

Just put "National" in front of it and I'm down

Why aspire to be a doctor or a lawyer when you could flip burgers and get the same pay..

How is it different?
Are you that programmed?

Realy want to be sent into a suicidal attack against russia in the winter?

>worker makes $100 worth of profit in an hour
>worker gets paid $10 an hour
>Give worker more money for his labor
>WTF THEFT STUPID JEW COMMIE NAZI
cringe

race does not determine how well an economic system works

No, its because the weak and inferior should be destroyed by the strong and superior. Socialism is a crime against nature. Go be a Marxist brainwashed faggot somewhere else, mutt.

That's why i'm a national socialist.

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So you can only sell or make production equipment if everyone agrees on it?

equal sharing of resources just means that everyone gets an equally shitty share of the resources.

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hi im a socialist, lets punish all successful people because im a retard that sucks at everything except censoring others

Do you even know what profit is? You still have cost of materials, cost of paying back investors who lent your company money so you can buy your equipment, you also have to pay other employees who do not produce products for the company but do fill a role for the company, and whatever is left over is your profit... if you have anything left over.

thats just capitalism

>mad at social contracts

no. the only difference is who gets to keep the money from labor.

>Do you even know what profit is? You still have cost of materials
oh my god you guys are so cute

hey buddy
profit is revenue - overhead and production costs

My country has a government that politically jumps between socialist and capitalist leanings depending on whoever won the last election and is in power.

Socialism kills enthusiasm in the workplace.

Why?

Taxes increase to keep up social spending.
Rich people know how to avoid tax legally.
So the average worker pays more tax.

new zealand is not socialist
you're assmad at taxes and word definitions not socialism

So you have no idea what profit is. Way to show your ignorance.

So how much does the guy who invented the business idea get?

lmao
you cheerleaders are so funny

you dont even know what you're doing jumping jacks and pom pom shakes for

if he works for the company then he gets what makes with his labor

if he doesnt work and exploits workers because of an abstraction of "intellectual property" then he gets nothing for being a leech and scourge on society

>hey buddy
>profit is revenue - overhead and production costs
That's where your so-called "exploitative extraction of excess value" goes: to covering overhead and production costs. It's part of the risk that wage workers are insulated from. A worker's take-home pay would be extremely unpredictable otherwise. Some weeks they might OWE money to keep the business afloat. That's the burden undertaken by the owner.

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>Person performs labor for a rate voluntarily with an employer.
>government forces person take hand over proof voluntary labor was completed
>employer lobbies government to subsidize their industry by taxing employees more
Money in politics is Marxism, when the government claims they have the right to all wealth, people who can afford it will lobby to get more wealth, taxing people who can’t afford to fight it.
It’s funny how corporations and socialists agree on immigration too. It’s all a farce. Theifs.

Yet (((owners))) still manage to make shitloads of money despite these costs.

Who chooses salaries? How many dollars is one labour? How many labours per hour is it operating the machine vs screwing on caps?

>There is no argument against socialism
>Here's five hundred

/thread/

Stop being lazy and useless

>That's where your so-called "exploitative extraction of excess value" goes
uh huh

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>There is literally no argument against Socialism
why would i need argument for not wanting to be stolen from? Give me all your finance right now, show me how serious socialist are you.

>white hand shaking a nigger hand
that's all the argument I need against socialism.

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>implying
This IS a socialist board. One of the national variety.

>Money in politics is Marxism
thats literally the consequence of capitalism

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Former socialist here. I wish I never wasted 5 years of my life on socialism. I was basically a loser fantasizing about some socialist revolution that will never come. I didn't want to work because I didn't want to be "exploited by the bourgeoisie". I wasted so much of my life being a socialist. I could have been saving my money and doing something with it. Now I'm approaching 30 and have done basically nothing with my life because I justified it. I didn't want to be "exploited by the bourgeois" and I just ended up fucking myself.
I should have worked hard, saved my money and invested it into a business or the markets.
Socialism isn't just a political philosophy, it's a lifestyle and it's a destructive one. I'd still say I'm in favor of mixed markets but full on socialism isn't just a cancerous philosophy but it's cancerous to the soul. You lose all motivation because no matter what you do you feel you're being "exploited". I wish I never fell for that bullshit.

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oh please
the hetigage foundation boomer cheerleaders in this thread struggle with 5 letter words

>There is literally no argument against Socialism. If you arent a socialist its because you are a brainwashed cheerleader for billionaires
This is true, but there is no bigger brainwashed whore for billionaire capitalists than international socialists.

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Most do not. The few who do have cultivated relationships of privilege and corporate welfare by manipulating the corrupt in government. The solution is less government, not handing management and ownership of business over to government.

>former trump voter here, nuclear launch codes etc. etc. etc.
ok dude

natsoc is capitalism

can't refute

>The solution is less government
god you guys are so adorable in your naivety

I agree.
white nationalists also have socialists faggot.

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Our health system is owned and controlled by our government, and its lacking.

Our government provides social housing.

We have a comprehensive welfare system which see people spend their lifetimes not working.

Are these things not socialist?

Check mate

If you want a truly Socialist party, you'll need to break the chains of the two party system. Look here

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That's not an argument, kiddo.

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Why should inbred nigger jamal get paid the same as me? What’s the point of education?
You can’t stop the inevitable resentment for niggers like OP

Literally the consequences of allowing government to forcibly confiscate wealth.
You’re too stupid to insult.
If the government doesn’t have the power to take people’s wealth, it doesn’t have money. Literally no money in politics. LITERALLY. Politicians shouldn’t be paid, they should be treated like local county clerks, not 6 figure paychecks. You have no argument except “capitalism caused that, force people to work for the state”

welfare is socialization not socialism

the government using a single payer system to buy its citizens healthcare with tax money is not the same as the workers at healthcare facilities owning the land, capital, and infrastructure of hospitals and clinics.

If you think american dystopian lack of social services is a good idea you're just a moron

there is zero intellectual weight behind ancaps and free market libertarians.

Are you trying to say taxes are marxist?
grow up cold warrior

Are people equal on the fundamental level? No. Why would you want them to live equally
Socialism is great if you're the last human being and that state is despicable and if you know anyone like that just kill him to end his misery.

I don't need an argument, faggot.

He has no arguments, just a programming. Doesn’t understand the most basic economic principles, has never owned a business, maybe never had a real job.

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socialism isnt egalitarianism
you dont get paid exactly the same as everyone else. you get paid proportionately to your labor not arbitrary determinations

What economics do I not understand. please tell me bubba.

I have owned my own business.

Bro. I've read Marx and even when I went "right wing" I read Sorel and became a "left wing fascist". I understand the concept of socialism. It's the idea of the workers owning the means of production but you have to understand none of that shit even matters anymore. Marx's ideas are outdated. His ideas only apply to an industrialized economy. Industry has been continuously moving out of America and will continue to do so. We're entering an digital economy. The old rules no longer apply. If you really want "socialism", than you should be calling for more regulations on Google, Facebook and Twitter but most socialists defend these institutions. Call for decentralized networks (like the libertarians are doing) and you might regain some credibility. With that said, I'm approaching 30. I'm not going to be poor my entire life. I've started investing in stocks and will continue to do so. I might even start a business. You can either be a winner or a loser and I prefer to be winner. I'm not going to retire with nothing over some bullshit political ideology that has zero chances of actually coming to fruition. If the only choice is either being fucking poor and not being able to provide for my family and being a fucking porky than I'd much rather be a porky. I say that as someone who used to visit leftypol on a regular basis.

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Boy oh boy where do we even start

Taxes are Marxist? You continue to show how uneducated and unintelligent you are.

>brainwashed cheerleader for billionaires
>doesn't understand how socialism works

you're attributing that to me? I didnt say that. The other guy is implying that.

How can you pretend to be anything but a shill with blatant lies like this?

>hello fellow kids!

tell me what I dont understand

If something is a state owned enterprise, who owns the assets then?

Living in a service economy is horrible.
Everybody is expected to be a servile over socialized cock sucker, and if you can't play that role then good luck because there is no other.

It's RIGHT and GOOD to PUNCH people who are RUDE.

>owned
Interesting tense
Because it failed
Leave it to a failed business owner to blame capitalism. You want the government to tax people to pay for you and others like you to survive because you aren’t capable of survival on your own. You have shown over and over in this thread that you don’t have the slightest clue about actual economics(not buttfucking utopian Marxism) it’s no wonder you failed, and no surprise you support Marxism.

No I ran a proprietary trading firm and made enough money to not work anymore since the fantasy land of equities markets was making me psychotic.

What economics do I not understand? please tell me.

its public ownership but a single payer system is not necessarily socialist. paying for things with taxes does not mean that the services being bought are owned by the workers

You haven't refuted a single thing I said. The fact is, Marx's interpretation of Hegelian dialectics was completely wrong.
Yes it is. Very few people will end up being rich. If you're lucky you might be able to retire well off. If you want to retire with about a million dollars or more, invest in vanguard index funds/ETFs. You can eventually pass those funds on to your children, teach them investing fundamentals and build a dynasty assuming they're wise. Don't be stupid with your money. Don't buy "trendy" shit. You don't need an iphone or the newest clothes. Rich people dress and buy modestly. Poor people pretend to be rich.

because you're not saying anything of substance. What, marxism is irrelevant because of automation and workers being removed from the labor force because of new digital assets? If anything its more relevant than ever before.

Socialism - good for those that need help, not so good for those that can help themselves.

Honestly, it only makes sense to vote in favour of socialism if you stand to benefit from it. If socialism is just going to take from you and give nothing of value back, why would you vote for it?

thats exactly why its hard to implement in capitalist countries. if all the money and power is consolidated with the wealthy people that can only lose from a socialist system why would they ever let it succeed?

Yet you don't account for the digital revolution and the singularity. What's going to happen when all of those "machines" become sentient? People will have UBI because of this digital revolution but they'll also be the new bourgeoisie. And guess who will be the new proletariat? It's going the be the machines themselves. Like it or not, the proletariat [as we know it] is dying. Industrial jobs are becoming obsolete. There are no workers anymore. Want to know how the capitalists curbed the proletarian revolution? It was by making everyone a member of the petit-bourgeoise, and personally, I welcome it.

'literally no argument'...........biology.

I think you overdosed on nick land and gasoline

all economic systems are socially constructed. no biology is involved.

Socialism is nice,
Would work but we still have shithole leaders who try and run countries like it was 1881.

Maybe in a 100 years we can be ready for (((socialism))) it will probably be called something els by then.

Picture related

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Anyway I'm getting trivial.

I have made myself and my family enough, by helping others to much it weakens the human species overall which continues the cycle that feeds the Eternal You Know Whos.

>literally no argument
Let me tell you a little bit about my country's history
cuntface

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daily reminder that socialism always ends in starvation and genocide

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You don't provide any fucking arguments to anything I've said. Hell, I even agreed with you that automation will be a major factor in the future and UBI is probably going to happen, yet you just throw insults like a typical leftist. Hell, I'm not even that far right, I carried over a lot of my old leftist ideas, I believe in socialized healthcare, and a liquidation of student loan debt but if you honestly believe that a socialist revolution is coming than you're delusional. The only way it might be possible is through confederalism and even then you're not going to over throw capitalism. You can either be a winner or a fucking loser and I'd much rather be a winner.

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Owned or ran? Having a job isn’t owning a business. Marxist aren’t honest with themselves or their voters. Do you know the difference between having a job and owning a business?
If you actually made enough money to sit on your ass and do nothing why are you wanting to take money away from other people? Why don’t you take your money and give it to charity? Obviously crony capitalism served you well, why would you want to ruin everyone else’s chance at that? ....unless your full of shit.

every single one of these is 100% true

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owned.
Because I realized the only way I got to have enough money to live how I wanted was completely out of luck and had nothing to do with how hard I worked. I want to change that

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Saged It every post
eat shit commie

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Because the third worlders come for the free stuff.

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Good to see the NPCs are running smoothly