In Ancient Rome, they wiped their asses with an implement called a Tersorium ('sponge on a stick'). It was a sea sponge attached to a stick which was kept in a bucket of vinegar. The bucket had rough edges where you could scrub off the shit.
Most Roman latrines were public use and so you would have to share a Tersorium with your fellow citizens. Unfortunate slaves would have the duty of emptying the buckets and cleaning the Tersoriums. Suffice to say that despite Roman advancements of the sewer and sanitary system, disease was still a major problem.
You have just learned something about Ancient Rome.
At least they wiped. Europoors didn't even use anything until Americans invented toilet paper in the 1900's
Hudson Wilson
And yet niggers hajjis chinks and poos are still wiping their arses with their bare hands.
Colton Thomas
When days were old And knights were bold And toilets weren't invented They left their load Upon the road And walked away contented
Juan James
we used bidets, american barbarians BTFO
Lucas Jones
speaking of which i guess women couldnt rinse all the cum out of their vaginas after intercourse. must suck trying to sleep with jizz dripping into your ass crack.
Ancient Rome is one of the most interesting civilizations to exist, and many of the problems they faced mirror those we face today.
In particular, anyone thinking about autonomisation and the affect on the workforce should look at Roman slavery and the affect such cheap labour had on Roman citizens.
Lucas White
Very much so. Also look at how women behaved during the last days of the Empire and the level of multiculturalism within Rome itself.
>people 2000 years ago not having our modern standards of hygiene
David Harris
Based and redpilled analogy
Joseph Lee
I’m a fat fuck from a family of fat fucks. I grew up using a sauce mop. This is what I was taught to use as a kid and it’s what I still use to this day. It stays next to the toilet with just a little vinegar and a splash of bleach.
not him but Julius Ceaser writes about it. Even in his era there were far too many slaves so regular citizens were out of work, leading to degeneracy and general decay of society.
John Jenkins
any examples on similarities? what effect exactly?
The technique is to reach in from the front and rub clean, flush holding the mop head in the water while still sitting, whisk it clean with the new water, then flush again. Once it’s cleaned off, it goes back in the bucket where the weak vinegar and bleach solution keeps it clean for the next use.
when you don't eat starchy crops your waste just slides out
Eli Richardson
dear god thats gross
John Hill
How is that possible? Did they have titanium asses? Or did they walk,around with diaper rash everyday.
Ethan King
The decay and fall of the Roman Empire. Slavery bred indolence in the citizens, indolence bred hedonism, which bred a complete adandonment of Roman values. Multiculturalism undermined Roman culture, slaves and poverty led to welfare programs and the eventual collapse of the state
Weren't slaves already part of the Roman culture at the beginning?
Adam Hernandez
Rome conquered a lot. Imagine cities where the noble/business classes have slaves for every need. There is no need to hire or pay anyone. The working class gets reduced to nothing and the middle class suffers too.
Ethan Ward
In short, slaves were essentially like robots (which makes even more sense when you consider that robot is just a czech word for slave). They didn't require wages, only maintenance and a few to guard them, no different from machines requiring electricity and a few technicians to repair them.
This cheap labour made Roman citizens who expected a reasonable wage (like modern day minimum wage laws) unemployable. Machines can work for free, like Roman slaves.
The Roman citizens could not earn money, feed themselves and their families, or afford any goods. They began to riot, and the patricians (who owned all the slaves) realised that even with the army they were still outnumbered by the mobb, and the army didn't want to kill their own citizens anyway.
And so the patricians established the most comprehensive welfare system in the ancient world, the grain dole gave everyone food (think food stamps) and wine. Patricians funded public bath houses and amusements to distract people.
Patronage became extremely important. Each major patrician would patronize a number of citizens relative to their own wealth, each day people would queue up in front of their patrons house to receive an allowance. The patrons could count on their patronees to support them politically. It was all part of the politics of the mob.
Jonathan Hall
>ywn be Mark Antony's bro and be at his side through his triumphs and despairs It fuckin hurts man
I might remember Roman history inaccurately but was there a working class/middle class? Did that working class "compete" with the Roman nobility?
Were the working class Roman citizens allowed to own slaves or was that the noble's privilege?
Ethan Brown
Sorry I didn't include, here At the start the slave to citizen ratio was much lower: think one slave for every 10 citizens or something alike.
Gabriel Robinson
Bread and circuses.
It didn't end well.
Parker Evans
Romans didn't even have soap before they got the technology from the Celts
Wyatt James
Americans were a mistake.
Noah Stewart
Checked and now thinking about why my doggos don’t need to wipe their asses.
Sebastian Gonzalez
and white people didn't know how to wash until the black moorish people taught them how!
Nathan Cox
Anyone could own slaves, and their use was quite common.
The middle class is a bit weird, but you still had people the patricians needed to deal with each other - lawyers, traders, merchants, and stewards for managing estates. That kind of thing.
I mean we're basically heading there already. I expect to see Rome again in my lifetime, we already have state funded entertainment in the UK it just isn't very comprehensive. Yet.
I'm just going to try and earn as much as I can and get some land before the shit hits the fan, and after that hopefully I can ride out the rest of my life on basic income and BBC provided VR goggles so I can watch immersive gladiatorial games whilst getting blown by a sex bot.
AVE MAY!
Hunter Lewis
First class a-hole thread. Go and whipe your butt OP.
Brayden Perez
doesn't follow mate
Landon King
>SpongeBob ShitStick
Luke Sanchez
Someone in the future: In 2018 people still used toilet paper like savages.
You don't know how people get accustomed to savagery if they experience a certain convention since birth.
Lincoln Reed
>who lives in a shitty pot in a latrine?
Landon Evans
This made me snicker! Upvoted.
Jose Hernandez
I upvoted you're mom's butt the other day haha
Wyatt Edwards
Are you me?
Carter Harris
Who themselves used the tersorium and gave you ancient anal aids with their diseased tongue
Charles Reyes
Considering one could become a slave just by not being able to pay back a debt towards rich dudes, how did the poor not end up becoming all slaves? Also, I seem to recall some roman-time mechanization efforts (minor things, like linking mills to saws for cutting wood or other similar shit) were opposed by the Roman Emperors because they couldn't wrap their heads around how to get rid of slaves while maintaining the same social order or something like that
Carson James
And pajeets still poo along the streets
Easton Collins
But..wouldn't the sponge still have shit on it from other people? So people cleaned their asses with a vinegar drenched shit covered sponge?
Servitude =/= slavery. If you owed money you would work until the debt is paid in full, not become a slave for life.
Dylan Anderson
I see, thanks.
I don't think people will have their own robots to replace them at work. Instead the corporations will simply employ a robotic force with AI on top if it and write off the previous workers. Perhaps some corporations will force/stimulate their now redundant workforce to re-educate themselves and do the jobs that require human interaction. With that having said, we'd also need the governments to regulate automated work. We have no idea what ((((((they)))))) they are planning though but something tells me that we aren't far away from knowing on what's coming.
When you make similarities between Rome and the modern civilization, do you mean Western? I agree. But what happens with other nations that have competing ideologies? For example China and Russia.
Xavier Young
The technique is to whisk it in clean water after flushing then let it soak in the vinegar and bleach solution. It stays remarkably clean. I actually prefer the mop to toilet paper
Xavier Flores
Well, vinegar does clean up and disinfect, up to a certain degree It still is the cheap alternative to detergents even nowadays after all But since it ain't 100% effective I imagine there were still some problems
Jack Turner
>keeps it clean >clean we have established that Fat and Clean are relative things with in your family.
Mmmmhh Now that I look into it , you're right On the other hand, any poor fella had the right to sell his own children as slaves to make some money, as long as he was pater familias So that might have happened as well
i don't do it and i'd say that i'm a pretty normal american
Michael Martinez
What if you kept it in a bucket of alcohol?
John Sullivan
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND It has just occurred to me When Jesus was on the cross and said he was thirsty the Roman soldiers gave him vinegar with a sponge on a stick to drink Were they using THAT?
To be honest this is pushing the extent of my knowledge, but I can only imagine that - again - it came down to the fact we're talking about a huge group of citizens. I'm not saying they couldn't have all been enslaved, it's just that doing so would of been extremely destructive.
Plus lets keep in mind they were citizens, they had votes and they used them to elect Tribunes who represented them. The senate had a large reform faction who worked to protect the citizenry, which I would like to believe we still see some of today.
When I talk about robots in an industrial sense they're rarely humanoid ones, just designed to do a single task like put a pizza in an oven and take it out. For personal use, well that's more of a fantasy for me.
On the subject of human interaction, or more 'social' orientated jobs if we look at the market today these are actually some of the biggest growth areas. Jobs like 'genetics counselor' are appearing much more than manufacturing jobs. I think it will be a longer time before these get replaced by AI.
As for Russia and China, honestly it's almost the same for every ideology because this problem is at the root of all ideologies. In this case it's a technological problem, as technology advances and machines can outperform humans, humans lose their jobs. People need money to survive, the patricians have money. If people starve they'll riot and attack the patricians, so the patricians establish welfare to support the people.
The only exception to this is if the patricians decide to fight the people, in which case you get a bloody civil war. I would speculate that if you had an automated army (basically, Terminators) they could cull the people.
