Libertarian-to-Natsoc Pipeline

I am. I just realized that libertarianism only works in a white ethnostate.

Actually, I mispoke here. Not collectivize. Sometimes collectivizing becomes necessary. The idea that we have to adhere to collectivism, the concept that collectivization is the superior organization for society as opposed to a necessary response to a situation is inaccurate propaganda. I think the proximity of these concepts both confuses people and is deliberately used because it confuses people.

The people who don't understand this are the ones to magically became Natsocs.

I don’t ever see myself going back to libertarianism, as it’s a white, peacetime ideology, but the current political and social climate is what drove me to fascism. Read this article, goys.

radicalcapitalist.org/2018/04/10/fascism-is-a-step-towards-liberty/

The NatSoc meme is part of (((the plan))).

They are getting us into NatSoc so we will worship government when "our guy" is in - like now. Now Trumps in and the UK is Brexiting, we are made to think these are "our guys" when in fact we are just accepting the New World Order because "le edgy memes make me lel"

Even uber-gate keeper Alex Jones was calling for martial law now that "our guy" is in. Because NatSc and fascism is appealing if you are on the team

Explain this comic... US is a confinement center?

every. single. one
>drove you to the other side
do you not understand that comic?

I went from Marxist, to Liberal, to Libertarian, and finally to National Socialism. Racial IQs fuck any and all economic theories to smithereens, especially the Libertarian desire for open borders, as well as glorifying every degenerate vice under the sun (including tansexual rights, which fly in the face of the science of human anatomy, chromosomes, etc.).

At the end of the day, there are four ideologies in play when it comes to the future of Western Civilization - National Socialism, Communism, Dictatorship/Monarchism, or Islam.

That's it. Everything else is going to get unmercifully crushed by those ideologies, and a fun fact, the Chinese are National Socialists, not Communist, they transitioned in the 70s and grounded their state on rabid Han Nationalism, as well as allowing markets to operate above the table (albeit highly regulated). Look at them now. They're in the process of colonizing and taking over Africa, while we're floundering under poisonous ideologies advocated by the (((usual suspects))).

>What drove you to the other side?
Reality

Women come in America pregnant, give birth, and due to the birthright citizenship America has, the kids are classified as citizens, and have the right to petition to bring their parents in after a certain age

We have an amendment to the constitution that states that if someone is born on US soil they're automatically a citizen of the US. It was supposed to grant citizenship to slaves after the emancipation. What it's used for now is if an immigrant wants to come to the US they can just get pregnant, come to the US, have a baby, and since the baby is a citizen ICE won't deport the parents because that would be "cruel". Baby tourism is a thing for a lot of ethnicities because of this. Why the Chinese in the comic are getting back on the plane to China is a mystery to me.

>I went from Marxist, to Liberal, to Libertarian, and finally to National Socialism
>finally
Call me cynical, but I'm not convinced that's going to be your final political ideology. These people flopping between political labels haven't magically come around to the truth. They're just flakes.

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>THE BIGGEST THREAT to the jew overlords
actually jews are great businessmen, and would thrive under laissez-faire economics. hence why so many prominent libertarians are jewish, such as ludwig von mises, ayn rand, murray rothbard, and peter schiff

Hitler did it first stonetoss

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>They're just flakes.
You're not wrong. People that flip-flop like that have no true values.

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I do hold out hope that many of the people currently claiming NatSoc now will revert back to general principles of liberty once the momentary strangeness is over. I honestly think well-implemented libertarian principles would have the exact desired effect that NatSocs want without the dangerous consolidation of power, but people's animal desire for security in the midst of crisis drive them to call for a strongman to fix the problem.

Le Bon was his correct in his assessment that crowds are deficient and feminine.

Ayn Rand was not libertarian, she said SOME stuff that SOME libertarians agreed with.

And yes - jews are shrewd in business which is why libertarianism makes sense. Its not "bad because jews" its good. Jews hold libertarian values for themselves and have the goyim lusting after their fiat bullshit rather than sound money but jews dont value fiat. They know its a lie. And we need to know its a lie too

Yea the getting back on the plane is confusing me as well.

Because I’m against capitalism and believe there are more important things than marijuana legalization (Still support legalizing weed and decriminalizing all drugs)
I don’t really adhere to a set ideology, I’d be willing to live under a NS/Fascist/Libertarian order

There is a Jew behind every economic ideology.

You could take it a step further and point out that this kind of racketeering is fundamentally against the principles of capitalism and libertarianism. It's not like the Jews support a free market in doing what they do. They stifle it, in fact.

Are you saying that it's not important to have a unifying factor?

No, I'm saying unifying factor 1) doesn't have to be race and 2) doesn't require heavy collectivization. You collectivize when it's necessary, not as a matter of course.

An ethnos is more than just biological markers, after all.

sorry, i wasn't aware that adam smith and keynes were jewish. although i suppose you're one of those who think jews are secretly behind everything?

>le 68D chess to fuck with the heads of those on the fringe of society

>Memeflag
Datamining thread.

Nah, mate. Authoritarians are all niggers.

>populism and nationalism taking off everywhere
It's not the fringes of society anymore.

And that's a good thing.

im a fascist personally and an individualist
but i espouse libertarianism as the best of all possible political systems.. because i have the freedom to be a fascist in my personal life and other people have the freedom to ignore me if they dont like it

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Because libertarianism is as viable as communism.

The redpill is realizing that there's no difference between economic policy and foreign policy or the government's stance on religion. It's just a trick to make money god of everything.

The problem here is that it's not really about political labels. Most people on the far right, including people calling themselves nazis and libertarians, have a few unifying beliefs.
The main one is usually racism. They think people should be treated differently based on skin color rather than individual merit. The second is that they usually advocate for violence and people that don't agree with them, including minorities, liberals, etc. The truth is too most people on the far right political ideology doesn't matter and they just want violence against people they don't like and they will stand behind any banner that supports that.

Libertarian theory only works in a homogenous society that agrees on how to properly implement policy. The US has too many retards and active subversives to trust society with big boy government. We need fascism to fix the fundamental problems with our society, government, and culture.

They need us worshipping their system. If that means appealing to the goyim through "le edgy memes" - fine, as long as the goyim worship their system. they know that nazism can NEVER have a resurgence and will NEVER be a threat. They know that any public advocating of natsoc will be met with scorn, ridicule and distain by their army of obedient pleb-goys.

>people aren't allowed to change their views based on new information

Because after the birth, they can go home and milk what they still have there before moving; the baby isn't an anchor, it's a gravity well.

Bonbi is a shit

Pol, where brainlets can echochamber up and unironically pat themselves on the back for doing a 180 flip on foundational values from minimal government to full blown nanny state. You idiots are unironically being influenced by bots

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Libertarians have always been crypto ethno-nationalists. They're against welfare because they understand who receives welfare and who pays for it

still waiting on a shred of evidence supporting your theory.

I want to turn my ancap friend into a fascist like myself, how do I do it Jow Forums?

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>nat soc is nanny state
seeand

The sad part about that gif is that the kid only takes one. He was taught manners by someone (teacher maybe) but his mom will just throw away it all.

yes - believe it or not I have heard this argument before. Its like an NPC response. thats how often I hear it. You didnt first think of this argument did you? You heard it, and repeated it verbatim.

You cannot physically remeove anyone for being black, but if they do not participate in society and provide for themselves, no one else is going to do it, so they will have to up their game and look after themselves or fuck off. No "deportations" necessary. They will naturally fuck off of their own accord. You wont hav to actually do anything. If they act up and chimp out, stop associating with them. Stop buying and or selling to them - they will fuck off and learn to behave. Same with jews.

Theres no benefit for immigration to a libertarian society as there are no gibs and people are not going to incentivise their stay

It's simple. They want freedom for themselves and slavery or death for other people. They are just simply minded and are easily prone to cognitive dissonance.

the sudden uptick in natsoc memes after /new/ and the stormfag nazi larping

I'll vote Libertarian till the day I die

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to be quite honest Jow Forums didnt really form my opinion...
I was "NatSoc", kind off 2 years ago. Now I am looking forward to something like capitalist monarchy.

>You cannot physically remeove anyone for being black, but if they do not participate in society and provide for themselves, no one else is going to do it, so they will have to up their game and look after themselves
You do realize that for niggers, "looking after themselves" means either selling drugs or stealing your shit?

>Libertarian-to-Natsoc
both fit together because both are retarded

Becoming more educated. Understanding what fascism really is. It's really just the best system for a society people have thought of so far that is also actually viable in reality.

Definitely far more pro authoritarianism than before with some level of fascism being desirable. Libertarian just isn't compatible with a large multi ethnic society. Balkanize the US and we can revisit the issue.

Time to get real pol

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>What drove you to the other side?

it became obvious that ron paul was too weak and no one like him would ever be able to win
this country is too degenerate now to accept freedom

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Whoever falls for this gets what they deserve.

what about dealing with the problems of degeneracy and it's negative effect on society? I'm not natsoc, but there comes a time when you realize you needed more evidence to realize how homos and other degenerates are actually violating the non-aggression principle on society. just look at the evidence and it will become clear.

NatSocs are right about race, the JQ, the importance of nuclear families, fitness, etc. Libertarians are right about system of government, economics, vice prohibition, foreign policy, secession, etc. There needs to be a fusion of the two.

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Libetarian National Socialism?
LibNatSoc?

I never said that. I merely pointed out that this person, like many people (myself included) have changed their views multiple times. There's no reason to assume they can't be changed again when the situation changed.

Most people don't start at the view, you HAVE to (((flip flop))) to get to a place that reflects what you value.
Granted it can be said "you start in the center", but that's only the case if your parents don't sway you in any way and no marked points in your life stand out from others due to trauma and whatnot

National Libertarianism or Ethnolibertarianism maybe.

Nat Socs are right about the current state of demographics, but they weigh race too heavily. They are fundamentally right about the Jews, although it's a slight misnomer; I get what they mean. They're correct about the importance of nuclear families, but I disagree how many classify the family in the wider society as a whole.

And thats probably it for me, because I'm sick of these fucking 10-in-a-row captchas.

>Are there any former libertarians here who are currently National Socialists or Fascists?
>What drove you to the other side?

I have absolutely no trust for people that were alleged libertarians and become hardcore NatSocs in the sense of advocating enthusiastically for government fiat monetary systems and enormous welfare states (but for white people), because it's clear that absolutely nothing from economics stuck with you and I question your intellectual honesty and/or your propensity to flippant, flaky commitments to principles or understanding core ideas.

I fully understand rejecting lefty Gary Johnson shit but you cannot tell me with a straight face you've NEVER heard of people like Hoppe or Rothbard while claiming "yeah I used to be a libertarian but you know, that whole ideology requires you to have open borders." which tells me the person is either a liar or just really low IQ and a flake.

I would say from my personal philosophy I've pushed substantially farther right in a way that might get me labled a fascist, however as someone who actually took the time to learn economics I have an undying hatred for all government welfare programs, "jobs programs", central banks, and bureaucracies.

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Ethnolibertarianism is an oxymoron, but national libertarianism works.
If you want an example of NatioLibertas you can look at the Center-party of Norway. They hold strong national libertarian views and values, with a distaste for any and all things relating to the EU.

>Ethnolibertarianism is an oxymoron
No it isn't. One of the roles of government in that society would be to maintain the racial character of the country.

Friendly reminder, Rothbard was a race realist and defended David Duke.
web.archive.org/web/20121019150736/http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch75.html
web.archive.org/web/20090219215305/https://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

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lets be honest, libertarianism and fascism are actually extremely similar. libertarianism is about communities having control over themselves and being able to control their own immigration policy. In a libertarian society you could have "fascist" communities if being part of them was voluntary. Everyone acts like they are ideological opposites but they are not.

It absolutely is. The libertarian doctrine does not allow for ethnic exclusion and separation, negating the ethno-state. You can have a "theoretical ethnolibertarian state" by simply not having any other group willing to live in the conditions of the area, but the second someone desires to become a part of that society based in merit and being of libertarian worth to the state, the state cannot on it's basis reject them or reject giving aid to struggling nations when it's financially viable as a surplus write-off.

You're not very familiar with it, are you? I bet you think a libertarian view on sexuality allows for any form of pedophilia or rape.

>the state cannot on it's basis reject them
That just means the state does not full control of itself. If most people want to reject them, and the doctrine does not allow it, I fail to see how it is actually a free society.

>Free society
Free for everyone, meaning that it goes against libertarianism to decide for others whether or not they can be a part of it, when it does not come as direct harm to individuals based on the addition of it.

I used to be a fascist, now I am "minarchist"

This. Only fascist when social aids starts spreading.

a society free for everyone means that no one is free. they are controlled by an abstract concept of freedom that does not exist

that is retarded as fuck. GJ

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Communists and jews.

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As long as the state exists, they can do whatever they want with regard to immigration. I'm arguing that maintaining a racial state is best for a multitude of reasons. There is no official libertarian position on immigration.

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I became natsoc when other "libertarians" explained to me that Affirmative Action is good and that if you didnt want it you were racist.

Who said anything bout forced deportation? All I want is forced assimilation to proper american values, and real consequences for degenerates and subversives.

can you believe this ideology that doesn't believe in markets doesn't follow market rules. what idiots!

nationalism =/ brown genocide
god forbid whites have a homogeneous state somewhere on this earth.

but non whites won't let that happen so?

>implying any country has a properly free market, and not one heavily regulated by central banking and other jewish interests

>I fully understand rejecting lefty Gary Johnson shit but you cannot tell me with a straight face you've NEVER heard of people like Hoppe or Rothbard while claiming "yeah I used to be a libertarian but you know, that whole ideology requires you to have open borders." which tells me the person is either a liar or just really low IQ and a flake.

I would also like to add onto this and say if you look at notable people in alt-right circles who claim to be "former libertarians" and are now openly espousing socialist economic policies, every single one of them is a severely dysfunctional, hypocritical shitbag.

>Matthew Heimbach
Leader of a family-values orientated "Traditionalist Workers Party" who very publically went around telling everyone how much he loves Jesus, while repeatedly cheating on his wife whom he just had newborns with and then attacking his father in law like a redneck piece of shit. Has now accepted a position as a community outreach director for another National Socialist party.

>Richard Spencer
Self-aggrandizing media whore who conveniently manages to sperg out every single time far right politics seems to be on the uptick. Again, treated his wife like shit and is now divorced despite having little kids with her.

>Mike Enoch
Lies for YEARS about his wife and her being Jewish, while spending a decade in a fucking childless marriage while bemoaning the demographic collapse of European societies. Also, again, is divorced.

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I'm pretty much nat soc because I'm hard right on enough stuff to agree with either libertarians or natsoc, but disagree on having completely unregulated markets (natural monopolization is hell, just look at silicon valley), see that we have tons of extra-national threats that we do indeed need a strong military for (China and the EU, which just today admitted they are trying to usurp sovereignty), think we need a nationalized healthcare system to at least restructure how the public sector works (ban insurance, it guarantees payment which fucks with supply and demand, and supply and demand is already fucked when it's life or death), and lastly I do accept that the enviroment is getting fucked, even if it's not entirely controllable by us alone we need to both prepare for changes and pressure other countries (aka china) to stop fucking us all over.
Where I agree more with the libertarians than the natsocs are personal security (guns and privacy from gov surveillance), not every non-white race is bad, and drug usage, while a moral sin, is not something I think we should punish beyond disqualifying you from receiving medical aid related to it, or work in fields where it would interfere (like military).

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you're right we should open up our borders because they violate the nap

Used to be a libertarian. Loved free speech as well. Started listening to alt right podcasts with Eric Striker. He said libertarianism was run by Jews. Now I hate capitalism.

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>selling drugs or stealing your shit?
Yeah exactly.
This behaviour will not work in a libertarian society. No one will deal with you if you sell drugs and if you steal shit you are likely going to get shot

this is great and it triggers leftists to no end

i mentioned nothing about a free market buddy

this for the most part. I do truly believe in most of the libertarian ideals, but realize it won't work because we all disagree and can't get along. People can't be trusted to not fuck eachother over because nobody cares.

If there were some sort of cultural identity that tied us all together, and gave us a sense of shared community and respect, that would immediately make everything much more workable.

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