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You are not wrong user but it's how things change, seems like most of the people in US and many EU countries are already brainwashed and "liberal" zombies, I am pretty certain when things start to get hard and civil war starts in every country that opposes the "global" union it's where the real battle will take place. I am also sure we will win, if we don't humanities future is at stake.

You think that people are going to be lined up and shot because we have socialized healthcare, because that happened in the soviet union?

At the current rate, there's just going to be an increase in tax evasion by the wealthy and the top 1% will get more out of hand with lobbying. Something needs to change. We can't just keep going on this trajectory and hoping to regress to America in its prime, after World War II.

It's really hard for me to say some democratic socialists in office -- but not all -- would be a bad move, to balance out the rampant crony capitalism and corruption going on.

I REALLY don't understand how adopting a government more similar to European nations is going to end in me getting shot, though. You genuinely seem paranoid and afraid from spending too much time on here.

Tyranny does that, and a "unified" Tyranny like EU will shoot you eventually when they have tottal control, just look how they put people in prison for "hate speech" and "wrong posting in fb" rofl. Those cunts couldn't care less of what a single digit thinks.

Ok, but, umm...I'm not against freedom of speech.

To say viewpoints against freedom of speech are mainstream within the Democratic community is a stretch. I'm posting on here to argue my viewpoint of all places...

They will definitely win total control in the long-tun, as all democracy eventually descends into tyranny. Question is whether every single US state in the union goes with it.

All cool user, frankly I think that currently the majority of politicians identifying as "democrats" and "liberal" and "progressive" are either shills or pawns of bigger players. I believe the same for republicans too but their conservatism and nationalism makes them somewhat harder to control against the interests of the host country. For example in my country too, only the "social-democrats" and the "leftists" did exactly as IMF told them so, sold all the sovereignty, took the homes from poor people to give to the banks, caged "wrong thinkers". And practically turned our country into a 3rd world within only 8 years. Pretty much like all the shit that happened in Venezuela and other socialist utopias. Democracy without nationalism and conservatism in a capitalist environment doesn't work. What matters most for them is the "party", the biggest buyer, the supposed "greater good".

No, I don't believe socialized healthcare will get people shot. I never said that. What I will say now is that overtaxing working class people will help contribute to the bankruptcy of the state and rebellion, which will get people shot.

Lobbying was banned in the first two weeks of the Trump administration. Also, overtaxing the rich and big business will cause them to flee overseas, which they did en masse under to yolk of the Obama administration, which will lead to infrastructure collapse. Everyone knows there is no going back to America's "prime" however, change for the sake of itself is what has gotten us to this point of cultural and political instability.

If you don't know how that socialism is a soft form of communism and how it ALWAYS ends, you need to educate yourself further. Communism simply doesn't work because of the human equation. Communism is a perfect system, if you had nothing but robots who work tirelessly for free, don't need to eat, have no personal desires or agendas, and do not care how they are treated or what rights are.

Thank you for at least being rational enough to hold a conversation, more left leaning people should be as civil and open minded, we would all live in a better place if they were.

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Good point.

You're literally shilling for a neocon who hasn't kept a single campaign promise. Let it go dude. Lay off the redpills if you ever want a white wife/family...I have a friend who's a 5 ft 2 Magapede and doesn't understand that unless you're a chad millionaire you're fucking retarded for pushing that ideology

Dumb and bluepilled

Many people on the left are pro freedom of speech, as long as it is THEIR freedom of speech. They certainly do not advocate everyone should be allowed to speak as they will, they are openly against opinions they do not share and are against.

Many of these people want to control how others think, feel, and speak because they want more power for their tribe/side.

I think we can all agree, the left doesn't understand what true freedom of speech constitutes.

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It's going to take some time before nationalism takes power back in Macron's France. Like a millenium or 2.

He has kept every single one of his campaign promises, with exception; Immigration. Which he fights against constantly.

I passed red pills a long time ago. I am very well educated and understand a great deal when it comes to these matters. The fact he is rich is what allowed him to run without being beholden to corporate masters and the establishment.

If you had actually paid attention then you would know everything i've said is true. He does love America but he did it for the sake of his family, what he saw coming had a very dark outcome for him and his family as well as all Americans.

I can't be a shill, I don't get paid to say any of this.

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Lets be civil. Name calling closes minds and aggravates the situation.

We have to be better then this.

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That's the globalist, corporate, billionaire soulless party that has no culture because it has all, belongs in no race because it contains them all, respects nothing because it controls everything. Socialism-Liberalism-Democracy without meritocracy/values/morality is Tyranny.

Thank you.

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We lost this battle in with the 64’ immigration act. We need to keep the Hispanic hordes out and cut legal immigration, it’ll never happen because the liberals want to water down our voting power and establish a socialist non European ancestry dominated U.S. trump the retard needs to stop spending billions on the military to save people and nations we don’t care about, and build infastructre and social programs in Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela Colombia and Mexico. That will keep the Latinos happy in their own nations, if they continue to migrate, prosecution for all “asylum seekers” should be mandated. End migration, stop spending trillions to bomb sand people in trucks with ak47s

capped

>Short of radical and extreme measures

Trump needs to initiate those meassures, that's what we all emed him onto position for !

He still has half the country ready for action !

LET?S GO FULL IN !! XT...NATE ALL LEFTISTS !! MAKE PEOPLE FREE AGAAAIIIN !! WOOOHOOOOO !! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!
***psychotoc laughter***
No, srsly : Lets do dis! >:|

But trump won’t do that because he’s a fucking asshole who had the chance to be one of the greatest right presidents ever, but instead he and republicans gave trillions to the pentagon to attack/defend sand people, Africans and Asians. Damn the rest of the world let them fight each other or do whatever they want, the U.S. should not be subsidizing security for the world, we should be upgrading infrastructure, starting socialist programs for the poor, and use the military for border security so we can stop all of Latin America from flooding into the U.S.

people know the truth, rabbi

The fact is there may be no "sane" or "rational" solution to the problems we face. It's been said that no Democracy that has reached a point of instability of this magnitude has survived. The Greeks discovered that one of the primary contributions to the downfall of both Roman and Greek republics was the introduction of immigrants; Who did not fully understand the culture, had no stake in the welfare of the state or native population and, indeed, had a desire to milk it for what it was worth while having no interest in preserving its culture, traditions, and continuation.

Americans may have sealed their fate by allowing others, who have no stake in the outcome to vote on the well being of their host nation. There are solutions, but they are so extreme most people who not take them into consideration.

All you can do is secure yourself a place inside the failing state, learn to survive and protect yourself against the onslaught and wait for a new dawn to rise.

I believe it has gone past the event horizon, there is no turning the ship around, it is caught in the tide of the maelstrom and will end up sinking the ship. What you do now will decide your future and place in the world when it falls apart.

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I plan on fleeing to another country long before the communists take full control.

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A lot of your kind are, enough to have made it in many European countries. This is already happening, stop denying it could happen in the US too. Hell, the whole PC/SJW thing blew over from across the Atlantic to here, it's just that your constitution bought you some extra time

you dream. those larp like trump. they do nothing substancial. just keking the left will not change birthrates or immigration laws.

says desperately worried illegal, six times this year.

Ahem, California is neon blue and everyone is fleeing it. Democrats make lofty promises and never deliver because minorities and college age adults are easily manipulated.
Don't believe me?
You guys vote to end poverty, greener energy, and eliminate class separation, yay, all laudible causes.
Yet, California, the wealthiest and bluest state, STILL has the highest poverty rate, San Fran and LA have horrible pollution (LA #1 most polluted US city), and all the middle class is fleeing so all you have is those making $100,000+ and hobos.
Also, I don't want to hear shit about climate change and clean environments when you want to vote for open borders and mass migration. That's just more people driving cars, using A/C, and overall increasing the human carbon footprint. Anyone that votes left is proof to me they can't think ahead of the consequences.

P.S. Uneducated white men built this country. You're welcome faggot
>Inb4 we stole it
Well you're recieving stolen goods so quit bitchin about 1492 in 2018.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Please articulate your point so that I can respond appropriately.

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>Shills for mass immigration
>thinks universal healthcare won't be expensive as fuck with a massive aging population and massive undocumented population
Yeah, I suppose resources are just infinite. It will be great when America is 1 billion people strong and 60% of it is 3rd worlders. I'm sure that won't backfire horrendously...

I never doubted that America wouldn't turn into a blazing hellscape but I knew Trump would at the very least shed some light on all the corruption going on and show the normie masses that the left is the real bad guy here. The thing that depresses me the most is how you can't tell normalfags just how bad everything will get.

Nothing short of bullets whizzing past their heads will make them even fucking consider buying supplies ahead of time for the shit we're about to see. They're all sheep walking into the slaughterhouse and you get treated like a schizo if you try to save them.

I unironically will jump with joy once our economy crashes and people are fighting each other in the streets because it means we're not just slaves and everybody will be willing to fix the real problems we have.

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>>Uneducated white men built this country.

They also invented the mass majority of the technology and philosophy that the world holds so dear. You must understand, the same people that demonize whites are the same people that take all they have for granted, take no heed to what will happen when whites disappear, and are too short sighted to understand anything about life or the world beyond their immediate needs.

Try not to be angry at them. Understand they are in need of guidance but that there is no rationalizing or helping them. Keep calm and carry on.

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Fuck that. I won't leave without a fight. That's how we got in this mess. Expecting you to keep quiet when whites are criticized and to NEVER criticize other groups, even when attacked. Whites don't have to hate.
White solidarity does not mean idolize Hitler. We should change the image of strong white communities from being seen as hate groups, as they inherently are not. We just have to collectively get our fucking balls back and stop holding our heads down when leftists tell us to. I will hang communists from lampposts and feed their children to alligators before they force or coerce me out.
Stop apologizing for being white.
Stop apologizing for being patriotic.
Stop apologizing for soverignty.
Stop apologizing for admitting diversity is a fucking lie
Have white babies.

I'm not shilling for mass immigration.

I'm arguing for more sustainable laws and acceptance of legal immigrants, as well as gun control laws that make tracing guns back to the original owner more obvious.

You realise most of the gun violence in Mexico is caused by guns purchased within America? The cocaine they traffic comes TO America, where, despite the war on drugs, we consume it.

We need to stop thinking of Mexico as an enemy and dehumanizing people and look for solutions. Obama deported so many illegals. Illegal immigrants are illegal immigrants, but, they are humans and not the "enemy" and should be treated humanely and with respect.

I see you as shilling for coroporate tax cuts.

The binary of the two party system leads people to pick their battles. Parties disagree currently what the battle even is at hand, but ultimately, Democrats are on the better side of progress right now.

We can't allow the wealthy to amass such large stock piles of wealth in the hopes of curving mass immigration.
Also, America never told you to limit free speech.

You literal fucking retard.

>acceptance of legal immigrants
How are we not accepting of legal immigrants? This was never about LEGAL immigrants it's about illegal immigrants. You seem to agree on that particular point. Keyword here is "illegal". Just by virtue of them simply existing in our country, they are criminals. Criminals from foreign countries = enemies.

You fucking libtard NPC brainlet. Stop regurgitating bullshit you heard on CNN.

Well, now that we live in a world that is constantly revolved around what others say and media such as the news, people get told false agenda and get their opinions from others. It's just a cycle of leeching off of other's opinions, especially in places like university.

I’m embracing this scenerio. We’re wasting our time fighting in the political realm. We need to start action. And that starts with what OP is saying; buying land out in the country, learning advanced survival skills, and reproducing.

>replying to Donkey flag

At this point we need a sustainable economy over the interest of other foreigners and immigrants. It isn't our responsibility, duty, or obligation to take them in or help them, it is a privilege, one they should have to earn through satisfaction of our criteria. They need us, we don't need them.

Gun control, without a doubt, opens the door to more and more gun legislation. Democrats won't stop until they completely ban guns. You should understand this and look to Europe as an example.

Gun violence in mexico isn't caused by guns, its caused by the people that use them. And they don't use registered weapons in the overwhelming majority of cases, they are manufactured or purchased on the black market.

Mexico is not our enemy, however, they do produce a great abundance of adversarial people and products. No one dehumanizes Mexicans, they are Human, but that does not entitle them to our way of life or access to our society or culture. One again, it is a privilege.

We do treat them with respect and treat them humanely, more so then we should considering they are breaking our laws and trying to exploit our nations wealth while abandoning their society and failing to fight for change in their own native nations.

We owe them nothing.

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Gun control won't help gun violence. Even if there is a buy back (like we had here in Australia) people are just gonna keep their guns. Do you really think farmers in Australia is gonna give up their firearms because one dude fucked it up for the rest of them? There's over 700,000 guns that have been kept by people even after the Australia buy back.

The only reason that we have "low gun crime" is because no one can be fucked buying a gun OR a told falsely that guns are illegal completely which is not true at all. There is way more guns in Australia than you think.

So when Democrats win the next time, if they ever do, and the economy tanks again, which will be worse than the last time, Democrats will be finished. They will be hunted to extinction.

These large wealthy elites thrive on cheap labor that comes from mass migration my dude.
How can you expect to achieve $15 an hour min wage when people willing to do the same job for $5 an hour?
They aren't terribly skilled either. It's no secret that Houston construction is dominated by them. Sure it is far cheaper for the employers, but the infrastructure here is crumbling garbage, mediocre at best.
And no, I'm not dehumanizing them. I actually don't blame migrants at all. I blame the politicians who allow for this. It is not sustainable. In fact, we are beyond sustainable capacity. How can we promise our population the same or better quality of living as our population increases as such a fast rate?
In the end, we are only displacing them, and ourselves. We don't have the resources to keep doing this. It sucks for them, but mass migration needs to stop. They should focus their efforts on fixing their own countries, and then the world can see real progress. But it will never be achieved by flooding 1st world nations with an underdeveloped population most of which bear no loyalty to the principles that made it a strong nation in the first place.

Ummm...we're literally refusing refugees, and educated people of color from countries like Nigeria.

Trump has made it specifically harder to immigrate legally, and done VERY little to curb illegal immigration. In fact, illegal immigration is up under his presidency.

More illegal immigrants were deported under Obama's administration than Trump's, but Trump just uses thinly veiled language to make America look horrible to the rest of the Western world.

If trends continue the republicans will become a white nationalist party winning nearly 100% of white votes. As long as whites don't go below half of the population there's still hope.

Yeah right.

The most liberal cities in America are unlivable shitholes. Insane taxes, homeless everywhere, filth, crime, extreme cost of living. Liberals can bring value in the form of culture but they always end up destroying what they built

>white nationalism
>100% of the votes

Are you serious? Who would vote for a Nazi party? Anyone with a college degree will refute these statements, and a bunch of uneducated crackers are hopeless trying to keep up economically with Canada with its high level of wealthy, well-educated Asian immigration. We need a better solution to the issues at hand than "muh whiteness."

You have been moving to the left since 1776. The elections are always close, but both parties have been moving to the left every time. The democrats will never "take over" like you think. They will just keep moving to the left until you have communism. The elections will always be pretty even tho.

>From Macron's France to the UK to the US and Brazil.
Israeli puppet states

Republicans just need to evolve, i.e:
Get off the ban weed bandwagon, seriously alcohol is 10x worse (no, i dont smoke it)
Be anti-trust and anti-monopoly and promote fair competition between small and large business (Teddy Roosevelt was this way)
Be pro-choice (we need less people anyways
With all those princinples, the right would absorb so many new voters. The boomers just have to die off first.

>What's your game plan when the shit finally hits the fan and they begin to subjugate the nation?

Practice eutelegenisis and make ourselves super smart super humans. Then perhaps we can convince them all to also practice eutelegenesis.

It is inevitable, at this point I think we are all resigned to it.

It will take a famine or a war to reverse this.

That's because we didn't have government control of renters because, basically, Republitards.

Look at Germany and visit a city like Berlin and ask a Euro how much they pay for rent. Ask someone in New York how much they pay for rent, and notice the difference.

No wonder so many young people are flocking to the Democratic party! Sustainability for people over shilling for the aristocracy constantly raping our asses.

Oh, and where's Donald Trump's tax returns, eh? I bet us plebs probably just "wouldn't understand them."

Wrong. They need to focus on only two issues: freedom of speech and immigration. Everything else is just muh shekels, and people are not as materialistic as the jew media and politicians lead us to believe.

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Don't be so sure. Americans have short memories and the media does far more damage then we give it credit for.

We should. He should make it harder, we have more then enough people to provide for.

What exactly do we gain or how do we benefit by taking them in? Think user.

Do not underestimate combined demographics of minorities and remember, women are half the vote in this country, if not more. Bringing in immigrants benefits them in the short term and benefits their self interest. Women don't care about the state or race on the whole, as long as they get their gibs and have a baby.

I agree. Rationalizing this will not change their minds because they believe the ends justify the means and if it all goes south they can always move. You aren't dealing with rational people.

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In the end it will be a matter of who breeds the most. Which is always highly conservative religious families. The greatest long term threat is a welfare state that encourages rampant breeding.

In the meantime we deal with immigration. But welfare will be the big battle. As long as white liberals keep killing their kids with abortion and travel the world til their 35 they are no threat.

Less immigration.
Less welfare.
Reproduce,
Not lose so many to brainwashing

Top tier quality shitpost

>Refusing refugees and educated people of color
Our nation can refuse anyone it wants to. That's the entire idea of having an immigration policy and borders. Again, they have their home and they don't do not have a right to come to ours. We offer to help 3rd world nations and help people change their nations into something more resembling to ours and that's really the only way you'll ever reduce world poverty. If we were to take every nations "best and brightest educated immigrants" (which we are pretty much doing) we will be robbing these 3rd world nations of the best hope by stealing the people that would be catalysts for change in their native society. Democratic policies only serve to propagate world poverty and destroy our own nation.

Trump's election has me a bit more white-pilled than what you describe. The way I see it turning out is that in 50-100 years the United States will be fragmented between liberal metropolitan dystopias and pleasant quiet conservative small towns. The underclass is going to expand rapidly, the middle class will dissolve into almost nothing: Think 1984 with the "proles." But again, I think that small-town America will survive the storm. Conservatives will dominate the Supreme Court for potentially decades at this point.

What if you've already been lost to brainwashing?

What if the war isn't about the color of our skin, sexuality or religion, but actually a war of wealth vs non-wealth? What if you've been brainwashed to support the wealthy, ruling class out of blind hatred toward fellow man?

I read your enitre post in Rust's voice

Democrats are actually pretty based. Obama did such a good job that Trump hasn't even managed to fuck it all up yet.

Its not as bad as you think. The Democrats have been making lower highs, and lower lows by all measures (Senate, House, President, Governors) since FDR. The real thread would be titled, "Will the Democrats disappear in the coming decade".

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Maybe I didn't articulate it well enough. This is what I meant.

These topics will not change. It's always been this way and as long as people still care about these issues they will be used as a knife to blind people from what really matters.

Eugenics is a good idea that has been shit on for decades. People won't change their minds about it because it isn't in most peoples interests to do so, and the amount of propaganda surrounding it.

It won't be reversed. If the nation plunges into anarchy, a foreign nation will come in and attempt to conquer us. All you can do is adapt and survive.

More government is never the answer. The free market will determine success or failure.

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This wouldn't be an issue if all whites voted like whites in Mississippi.

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Sort of. I'm a Democrat. And I vote MAGA. So, there are Democrats who will win. Not in the way you think.

Can we not have limited government in some ways and also anti-trust, anti-monopoly laws? In other countries, yes.

In a two party system, there is no answer. Corporations AND government are both enemies of the people. People have more control of government, though, in a democratic republic.

>Hispanics, Blacks, and Women will continue to vote for their own demise.

I disagree with that. Drumph has gained more support in those communities (excluding women). Blacks & Hispanics generally hold conservative values, but Republicans would cuck out when called racists so they would never try to get their vote. I think there’s a new paradigm shift that hasn’t yet shown itself.
>Democrats are no longer the edgy cool kids of the past

2/10 bait

>meme degrees
ftfy

It's a shame you "think" so.

All we can do is wonder.

Holy shit user.

Culturally and politically, it IS worse then it ever has been.

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Then it's funny that all tech billionaires(the companies controlling communication) just so happen to be democrats.

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It's so vain to think that your party has all the solutions to these complicated problems. Who do you think you are? Really I'm asking.

>What if you've been brainwashed to support the wealthy, ruling class out of blind hatred toward fellow man?

Let's explore this question.

Who does mass immigration to the US help?
Does it help impoverished US citizens?
No, It drives wages down and this is why wages of stagnated since 1970.

It helps the wealthy elite acquire cheap labor and it helps international bankers destroy resistance against their control of western nations. Overall, the Constitution and our laws are the only things that keep this nation from being swallowed into an abyss of a corrupt globalist oligarchy but we are teetering on the brink.

In what way do you think nationalism helps elites? Nationalism is literally defined as putting the people of your nation first before the interests of others (and that means before corporate interests as well).

Based.

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Dude what "we" agree on. you and I, is the one percent. We just call them globalists, or Jews, because most of them are Jews. What you fail to realize is that under socialized healthcare, the same number of people will be hurt as are now. Because once the elites have no competition, they have no incentive to make things better. The starving continue to starve, the sick continue to be sick, and the rich keep getting richer, because once you have everything handed to you by the government there is no incentive to do anything more efficiently.

What white nationalists believe is that there is no possible way to create a common people from different races of people, which is a hard pill to swallow.

By the way, im blown away by the fact that people dying without medications dont go apeshit on the companies that are starving them. Insulin for example. These patients are literally being held hostage by a corporate interest that has all of its competition stamped out by the government. Right now we are given a choice.
Pay to save these people from unjust death, or replace the people holding them hostage.

Base Wyoming. Never knew New Hampshire was so cucked.

I would love to think so, but it hasn't been accomplished yet. Yest. Democracy is the best choice we have politically, until a new system is invented that surpasses it. That isn't saying much; Underneath democracy lies; Despotism, Matriarchy, socialism, communism, tyranny, anarchy, and decentralization.

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Its global. It is the collapse of western civilization, and the Camp of the Saints all rolled into one. The good news though is that the left will finally run out of other people's money in a Big way. Bigly, with a capital 'B'.

2020 Census citizenship question. it's in court right now but guess what, Trump will eventually win and guess what happens then.

if only citizens are counted states like California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey will be completely fucked. House reps are allocated based on population and the loss of millions of illegals toward that count means they will lose seats. Texas and Florida will lose seats too but they'll be democrat seats so it's a fair exchange. so states with fewer illegals (IE red states) will gain seats in the House.

another added bonus is that when districts are redrawn within the states they will favor rural areas because the have higher citizens rates. which means more seats for the GOP within blue states.

the democrats are fucked, not just for a cycle but for a generation. since Trump cleaned out the Senate of his enemies he'll be able to quickly fill those 120+ vacant judge seats, which means the democrats will be completely BTFO in the courts for a generation at least.

the democrat party is on it's last leg and they don't even realize it.

he continues to shed light on the corruption even in his incompetence and failures. Look at Accosta. Hes fucking president and hes not allowed to to choose who he answers questions to. How can he do his job when every branch of government and corporate interests have more power than he?

If anything he can show people that democracy is a failure. Although to be honest everyone already knew

Communism is a monumental failure. The commie lite version the western hemisphere is running now will collapse too, just takes more time than the really stupid hardcore communism.

The US and its Bill of Rights and the people that believe in them are literally the only reason why the elite haven't turned the planet into an open air gulag. Period.

All good points, user.

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They / you / shills / propagandist demons / think that you will win; that the future is unquestioning formed as the dystopian, authoritarian, generally bitchy and rat infested deck of the Starship Enterprize you envision, and which makes your Stalinist nipples hard: but there IS magjic in and above the world which you will never wield which will transmute your sick dream into the brightest light of truth. So suck our collective player character cocks and twats you NPC zombie fucks. You will get your dream - in hell.

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Confirmed if game changing