Programmer. NOT scientist

Yeah, you have to factor in the benefits and the stock options, etc. My base salary in the Midwest is only about 200k but with the options and bonuses I managed to crack $550k this year. Google doesn't pay any better than many other companies, at least not by a lot... and then you factor in living in Faggotville, USA? No thank you.

Google bought Youtube, then one day decided paying video posters was ripping them off... so they started blocking, banning, and demonetizing all the conservative posters... anyone who didn't tow the libturd line... and they went on the "advertisers suddenly care about content" - along with the coordinated libturd protests and boycotts of "right wing companies" ... IT WAS JUST ONE BIG MONEY GRAB away from the workers (video posters) and politically driven into libturds pockets

lol jesus christ - what you do

Are you a developer? Or sales?

what do you mean back end programming ? is this the "senior setup manager" or some shit ?

he's personally a tax avoidance specialist
>fucking jab it in ...

This can't be real.

I'm a newly qualified accountant in the UK with salary of $39,000.

How the fuck can you be getting that sort of money programming not even in a big city?

architect, it's like what the other guy said. If you spend all day coding after 5 or 6 years you're a drone. It's a noble trade but it's a trade. I still code but I also lay out the groundwork for 50 other engineers, mostly design and review work.

Makes sense, thanks.

>programming is not science

well thats wierd because I spend most of my time building up theories, creating models and testing them through repetition and having my tests checked by reviewing teams. But wtv totally not science

okay so 50 assholes to deal with and assign work to...
Why is more of your comp not salary and does that avoid most taxes...obvious answer is yes

What? I'm a car mechanic, only 3 years of experience, and I make equivalent of $45000.

there are big cities in the midwest, and this is the USA, capitalism is rampant and distributed a lot

LMAO - I feel sorry for both of you, but not because of the salaries

I just cant into money, I just don't have the greed or ambition to pursue it. I have inherited money and want to invest it in a family business but am totally out of my depths. Might just live nigger rich instead who knows. Cant trust anyone I know because they rip me off so maybe some emotionally noninvested anons can help a man out. What is a proven family run business idea that is easy enough to learn as you go?

Well yeah, earnings from options will eventually be taxed as capital gains, which is a great plus. But it also means that my salary is tied to overall performance. If the company takes a crap, the shares will be worthless. It's a win/win, it incentivizes everyone to have a personal stake in the overall success.

"programming logic"
I agree it's not science
I wouldn't call it engineering either, but could barely accept the wording if demanded
"program creation" ---
software developer
If I design a unique desk on my shopsmith that is somewhat complicated am I an engineer or scientist ?
LOL

well shit, il get back to studying FORTRAN.

well don't do restaurant it's low earnings
my advice is make your business something you believe in - example: a tarded friend started driving semis , I encouraged him because it brings product and food to the population, I believe it is an honorable job
I support pizza delivery drivers because this is a job many(all) at any income level would not want to go away
So pick something you believe in and narrow it down from there
Also you'll have to become a "hardcore asshole" willing to crush the criminals and thieves - in other words not a soft hearted fool - or perhaps you're helping your friends when they rip you off so you let it slide of course what does anyone expect

Creating the hardware that everything else runs on. FPGAs, embedded systems, dealing with legacy code, that type of thing.

New grad SDE1 at Google in MV office is around $150k-$180k total comp (depending on interview performance and negotiating skills) + benefits.

$350k is for a Senior SDE/Scientists with multiple promotions and 10+ years of experience. Nobody starts at this salary (exceptions exist for course).

well congratulations - I've never wanted responsibility over other peoples jobs - I started a business and a friends son turned out to be a criminal fuck up - not to mention the endless checks on theft from customers and other shady shit... I booted the asshole and took it private - been doing ever since.... it's me and frankly I've had so many wanting in with me but I trust no one to do a decent job...(I admit I met one at a job a few years ago who impressed me enough I would partner or hire, ONE person - was some jap or chinko LOL)
So I don't begrudge your income+ having to oversee 50 fuckheads. What a job....hell itself

i've never been offered a job in my life

I would say that is definitely less true with the more modern JS frameworks. Staying up on those and best practices is something people will pay a fucking ton for.

Either way, isn't everyone full stack these days?

>Back end programmers create hardware

lol ok guy, definitely listen to him

"The Ford Mechanics are the guys that draw up the architectural plans for the next generation of F150."

>Either way, isn't everyone full stack these days?

what the fuck does "full stack" even mean lol

ok so there's some materials science there, machine code, laying out while checking voltage and couplings ... yeah a lot of that is scientific
doing the science for making the chips okay
doing layout of pcb's and board - somewhat
doing a waferboard uardino project - NO

if you dont know what full stack is, you have zero business reading this thread

that's like talking about politics and not knowing there is a democratic party, i'm not even kidding

>Good salaries in the UK
KEK

I get hired so quickly it's probably unusual - honest good looking athletic white hetero - they can smell it - the HONESTY part

oh piss off nigger. i don't care to memorize every fucking buzzword that you basedniggers make up

he's kind of right though

fullstack is literally an admission that you suck at both backend and frontend

your gonna need the extra 100k to pay for the extra shitty house in CA. I would LOVE to live in a shoe box jammed packed next to other shoe boxes with zero land and pay triple the price for a 5 acres anywhere else in the country. Yeah, that sounds fucking amazing.

Buzzword? It's literally one of the most baselevel terms in Software Engineering there are. It's like saying you've never heard the term CEO.

fuck, rub it in why don't you mate?

Seriously though, I don't get these ridiculous salaries for programmers I hear about in the USA.

I guess, actually looking at it the discrepancy is not that much as I know that I could be earning 60-70k in a few years so I can understand if someone in bigger city or with more experience is 100k+

except CEO actually stands for something. "fullstack" is a meme-tier buzzword.

in terms of investing better to put it into an index tracking fund
look up on investopedia

I'm an electrical engineer with 10 years experience and can program with the best of them, spin circles around them in math, and design the computer the code runs on from the circuit board or silicon component level, have mastered whole fields of physics, and yet I only make 87k. Don't go to engineering school.

>Software Engineering

in fact, my $140.00 software engineering textbook that i recycled was literally 300 pages of buzzwords. useless trash.

fucking college making me buy that piece of shit

I just got 28 recently, I have 0 knowledge in programming, barely know how to use GNU/UNIX basic shell commands, work in a dead job in a factory and want to know. Is it too late to become an analyst-programmer? Not the programmer itself but the one who reviews submitted codes and correct them if needed. Some guys on Jow Forums claim to do that and it pays well. Any possibility? What languages and tools I need to learn? I actually use a Xubuntu Server OS (Raid-0 oblige). I have patience

>fullstack is literally an admission that you suck at both backend and frontend
Yep, it's the turds covering up their incompetence.It sounds good, like big tits and a nice ass, or a big pile of 100's yer worth...

fullstack is a term for somebody who can fulfill both frontend and backend functions

but what exactly is frontend and what is backend nowadays?

you can argue that yeah javascript is definitely frontend but are you really "fullstack" if all your code is pulling data from APIs on databases you don't manage?

GraphQL is the kind of thing that makes the distinction even more blurry.

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Yeah its insane. I thought I earned a high pay for my age at 98k & 26yo as an ISO. Yet Americans are pulling in the hundreds of thousands for fucking programming? Give me a break.

No its not too late. If you can pick up computer stuff relatively easy than you can do it. As long as you find it interesting

I make 100k now and I probably wouldn't set foot in california even if it meant getting twice that. My life's pretty sweet as it is

You do not want to be in the position where you're reviewing code before you know how to write code. You will be an official bureaucrat or else you might as well learn coding anyway to automate the analysis and run unit tests.

probably because our country has the software products that are worldwide standards, being the codemonkey for whatever hackish applications are needed in a company does not generate the same profits for the bosses as does an actual product

> I managed to crack $550k this year

Yeah, more like $55k.

87k is nothing to spit at
if you get 50 tards under you, you'll have that 870k - good luck with that it might drive you crazy

I just have 0 idea of what to do.

>else you might as well learn coding anyway to automate the analysis and run unit tests.
This, I've read a thread about a guy having to correct the same type of mistakes over and over again by pajeets and make some LISP-based AI that does the job for him automatically and was wondering if it was ethical to not reveal he is using an AI instead of doing it himself. I am totally willing to cheat

Who is not cheating, is not trying hard enough

>have mastered whole fields of physics
As someone who got an even more worthless physics degree, I know you're bullshitting.

>what do you mean back end programming ?
If in a car, the front end engineer is the guy that designs/builds the user interface(buttons/layout on the dash, steering wheel, stereo, etc.) backend engineers are the guys making the stuff behind the buttons.

Back end engineers expose a simplified interface of the internals to the front end engineers, and the front end engineers code buttons and user input methods(dropdowns, text boxes, etc.) around that. All very broadly speaking of course.

I make 125k salary + shitload of money in stock doing modern front-end.

My first post was about programming being a tool to do your job well. I was saying that people that do 90% programming get paid shit in comparison to the guy that is doing full design work with programming thrown in.

Everyone is full stack to a degree, but its mostly one of those meme CV requirements that doesnt really mean anything. The people that specialize in lower level design make a ton of money and on average, more than programmers

>implying microcontrollers can't help you design advanced systems
Get a load of this pleb.

Never too late to learn anything user. You will require a degree or a massive portfolio of professional work. Find something you want to make and go build it.
You'll need to understand C, assembly and an OOP language at the very minimum.

What is the best domain to make cash? Security?
I really need to do something else ASAP

Ah, then I'd like to beat the tar out of a few microsoft front end engineers - the damned dickheads keep embedding the same old shit below the new shit and making 2,3,4 or a half dozen more clicks to get to it - what assholes - user friendly my ass

No, I'm an EE with a masters in physics and do all that EE stuff for a non EE physics field at work. I make less than special ed teachers. Salary is arbitrary at this point thanks to socialism.

ok so maybe front end is the gui interface, the shape of the windows, how the text shows up and aligns... while the back end is the C++ and calculations from input and clicks...

Blame the designers, not the engineers. The engineers just build what the design team delivers to them.

What is an OOP language, user? I am interesting in AI, automation and security mostly, not vidya for example where you work by contracts. Why C and Assembly? I've read that Assembly is the must-know to understand any other language thereafter

Fair enough. I thought you were one of these engineering shitters who think they actually know how to do math and physics and don't just know formulas and computational tricks.

>Xubuntu Server OS (Raid-0 oblige). I have patience

Ops guy here.

Are you trolling?

Ok you're definitely trolling

Correct. These articles that talk about astronomical "salaries" are actually talking about total income including stock options. It's the rise in stock price that has made these engineers rich, possibly only temporarily.

I've a very senior engineer for a big Silicon Valley tech firm. I make a $233K salary (this is high for an engineer). My total compensation is in the $350K range, but that's all because of stock.

>Tfw black, 23yo, and earning 115k as a programmer

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I suggest you go on an education website and take a programming course, someplace like Udemy. If you want to grasp the basics fast, learn Python, its very easy to understand to the layman, else go Java, or C if you want hard mode.

No, got it wrong, I used the minimal ISO for my 3-HDD RAID-0 as my /home partition for for some games (faster loading)
Nope, what makes you think that?

>>implying microcontrollers can't help you design advanced systems
LOL appreciate your comments, but musta hit home there - "ADVANCED" woooo woooo hahahhaa

No, got it wrong, I used the minimal ISO for my 3-HDD RAID-0 as my /home partition for some games (faster loading)
Nope, what makes you think that?

And how exactly are you exposing that to your "gaming computer"?

Correct. Many of these articles conflate compensation and salary. Stock options (ISOs, Non-quals), RSUs, performance stock grants, ESPP discounts are all treated as compensation.

Learn Java and C++. An object is a way to organize data and functions into logical units.

For example a banking application might have the concept of an account object that is associated with a customer, has a balance, etc.

You aren't actually going to use assembly in the vast majority of jobs. Assembly is extremely "low level". A C++ program will compile to assembly, probably in a way that is more optimized than an average human would be capable of writing an assembly program anyway.

great, more fail shit software tarded from top to bottom

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???

Thanks

Udemy? Will check it later

>front end programming - low pay
depends on the industry. if you are in an old industry and you rebuild an old perl cgi page with spring boot and react, youll blow some old fucks minds

Programming is over saturated and doesn't pay shit

You'll be lucky to break 100k unless you're a black female or live where rent is $2500 a month, thus negating your high salary

100k is great for a single faggot, try having kids and your big money becomes little money very quickly. I remember when engineers were making 100k almost 20 years ago when shit was half the price

All the faggots bragging about their 250k salary are literally the .01% of programmers, if not literal shills who are here on behalf of Big Tech to saturate the market with memes of big salaries

If you read about the job/industry on Jow Forums, stay away from it, it's being shilled for a reason

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Explain yourself further. What you're typing is gobbledygook.

You're gaming on linux and keeping your important /home files on a RAID 0? In what world is that a good idea?

most jobs look for full stack devs so they can float you across teams as needed. and they will usually ask you where you are most comfortable and drill down on that area, but ask some basic questions on the other arae

Sheeit I make that much in Georgia.

because he's lying or he's literally the .001% of programmers and his job isn't even programming, it's under the scope of management

Not even dude. Been in the industry 8 years, have patents, didn't see anywhere near anything like that. Highest comped year was less than half of that. But I'm white so it must be my privilege. It's all BS.

To me it's a technicality and I'd suspect the journos to either not know what they're doing or do it on purpose ...
If you get the options and date/time to "exercise" them - sell the fuckers and take the tax hit... I have no god damned patience for the idea it's virtual money and if the company fails it could be little real dollars...
Of course that's the argument all of them use - while they greedily gamble in hopes it goes up which it often does.
Literally STFU, it's whatever the stock is the day you get the "options" ... now whining it might be worthless some day and isn't really income (because you sat on it like a greedy idiot pig) and tax avoider... NOPE-- not good enough!

my raid 0 (ssd 256x2) is my boot on one of my gaming systems - his might be boot or secondary drives not on some uhh... NAT

Become a contractor that fixes pajeet code.

Most places where I've interviewed for fullstack ( do backend usually) they want you doing way more than end-to-end web dev.

Last place I interviewed at wanted me to do server patching and security on top of all of the data modeling for a major CRM integration. For 85l.

Fuck that.

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LMAO huh ?
There are no transies around here - I have never personally met one
A few years back we had an open flamer at the Staples - must have washed in from cali or the like - lasted about a week

these shills always come here to shill 1 of 2 things

>trades
and
>programming

both of which supposedly pay 150k a year and only require 3 months of experience

if you pay attention you will see this over and over and over again. it's a shill operation because companies want cheap labor. the only way you get cheap, cheap labor is to saturate the market. in their ideal future, programming will be akin to writing an email.

> cheap labor is to saturate the market. in their ideal future, programming will be akin to writing an email
The best thing about this is that not everyone can program and you have to have at least 110 IQ to do anything above string manipulation. They tried the same thing by importing shit skins in to do programming and they created a whole new industry of contractor programmers that go around fixing awful code. The same thing will happen when everyone is "coding"