What’s the fucking catch?

What’s the fucking catch?

Zero down payment, little bit under $200 a month just to say fuck you to the power company.

Why isn’t everyone installing these?

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you need (((permits))) for those.

Because it stops making power just when you need it the most. Batteries for solar even if you got free solar panels and installation still cost vastly more than grid power.
The problem is that solar makes power when it's not needed driving down daytime prices and cuts out just when you need it driving up peak power prices.

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A talk on the economics of an electrical grid.

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only last 30 years. have to replace the batteries. high initial cost if not getting a loan or tax rebate. inconsistent performance. will still likely have to buy electricity

Also, most solar setups will not function if the grid is down.

Solar power has applications. Those are low power or off grid low power.

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Leasing (aka 0 down) is full butthurt for the stupid
Pony up and pay in full or enjoy your assrape

AND the power is usually sold in a binding contract to the power company. You CANNOT use it for your own house.
So you´re the one still getting fucked.

not in real countries

>little bit under $200 a month just to say fuck you to the power company.
my power bill is far less than that

They don't work too good when it's cloudy. Also stops working at night. You're not gonna be able to cut off power entirely and a Li-ion powerbank to store whatever you generate is even more expensive. As in, the initial investment will wipe out whatever savings you have for the next 10 years. The panels will also deteriorate at a rate of 1% every year. So after 20 years, you're more reliant on the power grid because of efficiency loss, which will quickly wipe out whatever "savings" you had from the initial investment.

In Florida, even if you have 1000 solar panels on your roof, it is illegal to not have one of the electric monopolies hooked up to an occupied dwelling.

replacement is costly though

Solar is great for complete off-grid or emergency power. For day to day use it's absolute shit and will never ever recover the initial investment nor return the power that was used for the production of the panels.

they work better nearer the equator - more sun
if you don't clean them every year they lose up to 50% efficiency
etc etc
if you're getting your roof done at the same time and have an extra $10k lying around then go for it

hey bong, doesn't it rain by you?

Build your own setup.
Solar companies are raising prices over time, while the equipment cost is falling because they are scaling with increases in kw/h prices from the electric companies.
I found a guy selling 8500w in 20 panels by the pallet for $3400.
Solar company wanted to charge me $80k over 30 years for 6000w system.

Do it yourself.

yeah but op has a burger flag
getting them here is dumb as fuck

Does Florida require to pump the electricity generated by the panels back into the grid?

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I've got a few on my roof.
It's pretty cool and helps keep the electric bill down.
>Why isn’t everyone installing these?
The battery tech is not good enough yet.
Might as well use golf cart batteries, but they only last 8yrs (if you take care of them).

They made laws in indiana to keep you from selling power back

My uncle got them and ditched them about 3 years later.

>High initial cost
>Need to replace shit all the time
>Always a power cut
>If something is wrong it can take a while to fix it
>Actually costs more than just staying with power company
>Too many regulations

Go try & sell your house. The solar company has a lein on your house because their equipment is on the house.

meta.

nigga I essentially will not see the sun in the next half year
my monthly electricity bill is less than 30 bucks

thats the fucking catch

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You can do something called islanding, where you have 10 solar panels connected to a separate load center and a few outlets in house. My design runs a mini-split air conditioner, a pool pump, a pool heater and a refrigerator.

The refrigerator's freezer is set to maximum, so even when the power is off at night, the refrigerator stays cold until morning. I have a switch that runs pool heat in the winter, air conditioner in the summer. My Duke Energy bill is $90 per month, mostly for the house water heater. I'm converting to propane appliances at Christmas which should make me hurricane proof.

trying going with a reputable installer and not some shit tier product.
it's, like, you know, don't pay the cheapest you can for something and expect the best possible results.
like all you fags that will go out and buy a shit tier tv on black friday and wonder why it breaks in a year....

So rip it of? LOL

OP the caveat is that you need a LOT to be viable. People take power for granted, as most people get HUGE power income from dams or hydro plants. Solar panels take several thousand investment to invalidate usual costs per month.

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>Sweden
>Real country
There's no such thing as a "native" swede, therefore you aren't a country.

Use solar power to pump water up a tall water tower, and then have the water tower power a turbine at night.

It sounds so good on paper. Too bad efficiency and cost are absolute shit.

>Why isn’t everyone installing these?

1. the start up costs are about $10-$15 thousand dollars, including installation, batteries, wiring, panels, converter, etc...

2. to place it on your roof, you have to have a southern exposure on it (or northern if you are in the southern hemisphere)

3. solar panels degrade over time (electron holes are "filled" over time on one of the semiconductor strata, reducing power output by half over 20 years) $$$

4. Batteries need replacement after several years $$$

5. Solar insolation differs with weather and lattitute. (pic related)

6. Price per watt of solar panels is still falling, but is still a bit expensive (including installation and equipment)

7. Low cost (per watt), high efficiency (~50%) systems are still quite expensive.

8. At normal home usage, you would need about 20m^2 for full day/night usage (with battery storage)

I've actually been studying a form of solar thermal power, using evacuated flat plate concentrated reflectors, charging a thermal mass with a sterling cycle engine for electricity.

If you can work on a car, you can work on one of these... because it's basically a series of tubes, with coolant in it.

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Mine work OK, we get a lot of sunshine here though, there would be no point having them if you get a lot of cloudy days, the power company buys back what we don't use when we're producing so we don't usually get a bill.

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>There's no such thing as a "native" swede
Wow, Russia much?

>Use solar power to pump water up a tall water tower, and then have the water tower power a turbine at night.
Still more expensive than every other conventional power generating option. More than: Coal, Gas, Nuclear, Hydro.

Further if you ever did make a good way to store power you would see vastly better returns hooking it up to a nuclear power plant.

Yeah nice capital outlay, greatly increased maintenance costs not to mention space requirements.
How about i just use the few bucks worth of cable that has no moving parts and pay cents/kwh

>little bit under $200 a month just to say fuck you to the power company.
My electric bill is normally around 60 USD a month. Not really a good selling point almost tripling my current bill. Also the pennells normally go bad before they are paid for.

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dayum.

>the start up costs are about $10-$15 thousand dollars,
I paid $300 each for qty 10 panels, 315 watts each.

No batteries, only a converter. Soon as panels reach 1200 watts, refrigerator kicks on for 1 hour. Then pool pump low speed and A/C kick on for rest of the day. Refrigerator kicks on a few times. I can tell by dimming lamps that everything is on at the same time, but I have house cooling or pool warming every day for a $3000 investment. I paid it off in 3 months with a credit card.

This is really the only use for solar power -- off grid and low power consumption. Unless you're tied to the grid and the electrical company is going to pay you back at retail prices it's not worth it.

Ya buddy, gonna need a source on the fire department part, work as an insurance underwriter, there is no way on earth we would insure solar homes if that was the case

Same
It's always less than $100 a month, and during mild seasons it's ~$50 a month.

a lot of fossil fuel company shills itt

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What, no you don't. What shithole state are you in? You don't even need a permit to build a house here let alone put solar panels on it

>wasting money on solar panels instead of buying more energy efficient p'liances in addition to having a minisplit.

does the power company pay u?

>I paid $300 each for qty 10 panels, 315 watts each.

that's not bad, last I saw the cheapest was about $1 per watt.... are you telling me you have 3kw peak capacity for $300 total panel cost?

>for a $3000 investment. I paid it off in 3 months with a credit card.

and your energy savings?

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As the underwriter tell me how you factor having massive battery banks in a home that can produce toxic or explosive gas.

>Whats an explosion proof enclosure for $500 Alex!

>.. are you telling me you have 3kw peak capacity for $300 total panel cost?
10 panels x $300 each = $3000
The controller was $400, wiring and rails $200
paid with credit card
paid off $1200 per month to pay down credit card which was a real ball-buster.

>Russia dunnit
The flag should be self-explanatory.

You have no right to talk

>financing and paying interest on a loan to save a few bucks each month on your power bill
People actually do this? I should get into solar marketing.

Yeah but it just stays in our account in case of lean times.

They are literally, not as a joke, too dumb to install these.

>>Whats an explosion proof enclosure for $500 Alex!
Not a basement or garage were 99% of batteries for solar are kept.

There are downsides. There's a lot of maintenance required. You also have to replace your batteries. Batteries take up a lot of room in your house as well, and if you get one of those Elon battery packs, those are going to be much smaller, but much more expensive, and still needs replacing after a while.
All in all, it's just easier to use less power by turning off your lights and whatnot, and pay the power company less.

There is no loan you retard. There is just nothing you pay, at all, and then your electricity bill DECREASES. Look into SolarCity.

u can't ever cash those credits? what if u never need them and it just keeps building up?

Do these even work in the midwest? We get 10 hours of daylight in the winter and it's always cloudy.

They don't generate enough electricity retard. Wind generates more for fucks sake.

That's a silly idea. The amount of power required to pump all that water up is much more than any household sized solar system can produce. And the amount of water would have to be massive to come back down and make any sort of reasonable amount of power. And that's also a lot of equipment to maintain.

buy more you fucking degenerate. it's called math.

No we have about 1400 dollars in there, it's our money, my wife has her eyes firmly fixed on that money don't worry about that.

nice to hear that im happy for u but can u take it out or no ?

You cant build shit in a democratic state without a permit. You can't even cut down reeds or fix up your porch in Cali/NY/NJ without multiple permits from multiple agencies.

>and your energy savings?
About $150 per month summer, $100 month winter. Plus the pool is much warmer now.

The big saving came from the refrigerator 600-90 watts peak and the pool pump 300-700watts peak. Electric motors and compressors use inductive capacitors which spike electric demand to start running. Once they start, their demand drops to about half. The pool heater is a simple bucket resistance coil that shunts any available watts. I probably could heat my house water with it, but I'd rather switch to tankless propane for that. Because my solar system is disconnected from the grid, I only have to have an emergency shut off near the panels. But I also have clearly marked light switches inside that control the power to the special outlets. All that is my own design.

There's more to the math than that?

Solar PV panels are worth it to supplement your electricitry usage if you are putting them on a building that will be used for at least 20 years. In most places in the US, this will save you money in the long run. The biggest energy usage of buildings is usually winter heating, and water heating is also a substantial usage. Solar water heaters, passive solar building design, and even simpler, good insulation and draft suppression in the building interior, can result in greatly reduce heating costs for both winter and water use. If you're off-grid and especially if it's a homestead, incinerators for animal and household waste can also provide a lot of heating. Biogas for heating or cooking is also a thing, but that's a bit more technical and time-consuming.

Yes. it's our money and can be withdrawn at any time.

I'm holding off until I need a new roof and I'm banking on Elon Musk's solar tiles 5 years from now.

We don't all live in warm places where it's practical to do that. Plus that's extra weight (not so much the panels but the support structure) on a structure not designed for it. Additionally what are you going to do when you need a new roof? Pay someone to take it all down and put it all back up?

>living in a blue state instead of the arctic
Get a load of this pleb

nice that's pretty sweet so it's like free money you're making all thx to that beautiful sweet sunshine

So you want billions of panels laying around? There's only so much room on roofs of houses. Don't be a retard. If panel was the best solution it would have taken off by now. A quick Google search will tell you the best and cheapest ways to generate power. Do you not know what a nuclear plant is?

Yeah but don't forget these things cost thousands to install, mine was 5 grand. It will take a few summers to pay off.

Natural gas for heating doesn't strain the grid, Oleg.

I wish I did it sooner. I need electrical work and a new roof. The price per month is only a little bit more than my current electrical bill, so after a 12 year period the panels practically pay for the renovations. There's a tax credit that also helps a lot. The trick is to Jack up your bill before applying. Net metering only allows so much over your current use. Mine some bitcoins, take up gardening. Tell them you're going to charge a car in the garage.

It takes 8-10 years to recoup your investment that you retain for at least 25 years (via warranty). You are a fucking moron. Choke on cock.

Batterie tech is still decades behind where we need it to be. Portal, efficient power storage is one of the bottlenecks that most fields are facing at the moment. Once you see robots running around on their own, you'll know we've arrived.

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This is already done in many parts of the world.

Because your average Joe has 20 grand to blow on a complete solar system installed. Unless you lease them with 0 down but then there's still a monthly payment. Retard.

> it stops making power just when you need it the most
> you
don't you mean power companies, shill?

so? that's amazing. after a few years it's pure profit

it'll be too late by then

>10 panels x $300 each = $3000

oh, my bad. I thought you meant it was $300 for a bundle of 10.

They're ugly as fuck, and would take too long to save me any money really

Until solar batteries are affordable solar panels aren’t really free electricity you just feed the energy you create via solar panels back into the grid which the power company pays you half of what they charge you for their electricity basically you will get a discount on your bill

you are too fucking stupid. why are you on Jow Forums?