BEN SHAPIRO BTFO BY TUCKER CARLSON THREAD #3

It's about avoiding the biggest social upset since industrial Revolution

>defends banning self-driving cars while defending capitalism
>defends capitalism while attacking shapiro, the guy defending capitalism from the government interference supported by tucker
I was going to attack the socialist you responded to but holy shit, what the fuck are you smoking?

Based Tucker

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This was great. become a part of the conversation guys or just admit you are just choosing to hold on to whatever it is the people that you are allowing to choose for you pick. are you a driver or just a passenger???

Literally every successful country in the world has a mixed economy, with those more heavily dosed with socialism offering a better quality of life for its people than those more heavily dosed with capitalism. What evidence is there to suggest that more capitalism is the solution?

You fucking retarded kike, "Capitalism" is not an end in itself, it works to serve us, not the other way around, there is no fucking requirement to be unwavering loyal to it's principles if it starts having negative effects.
Ideologues like you make me fucking sick, you'd be willing to grind children into gristle if it meant not betraying "Capitalism" or your oh so fucking important principles.

Can you give examples of the socialist countries that offers such great quality of life?

He’s a brainlet who missed the memo from the Nordic countries explaining that they aren’t socialist countries

You lost touch with reality. Saturn cultists? Jew stronghold? Jew's make up 0.4% of our population. Instead of being anti everything thats not Burger-muttland learn a thing or two about actual based countries like Switzerland, it would do you good, you degenerate conspiracy shizoid.

I'd wager that it depends more on how close you are to the equator than to "capitalism" or "socialism"

Truckers don't need jobs. The future requires more highly intelligent people to do jobs. If the only thing you can do is drive a truck, then maybe you shoulnd'n be a part of future society.

"More Capitalism" does not rule out social benefits, open borders does.

the self driving trucks will be more dangerous than trucks with drivers.

you are shilling for corporations that don't give a shit about you. the price of logistics will get no cheaper.

what does the consumer gain? not a fucking thing.

what do the corporations gain? shekel... maybe.

ancaps are a joke.

What other method raises people’s living standards better than capitalism?

>Literally every successful country in the world has a mixed economy, with those more heavily dosed with socialism offering a better quality of life for its people than those more heavily dosed with capitalism.
Need a source buddy.
>What evidence is there to suggest that more capitalism is the solution?
Is the irony that you're literally typing on a product of capitalism -while simultaneously critizing it , lost on you? Look where you live. Look how capitalism has advanced society just from the 19th century onward.

THE SUCCESS OF CAPITALISM IS ALL AROUND YOU!!

>how do you know more government is bad?
Simple. Democide killed 240+ MILLION people in the 20th century alone. We aren't going back to that.

A system doesn't need to be living. You have control over which system is in place. You don't have control over the actions of people completely outside of your system. Self-driving trucks would only ruin someone's life because the system doesn't know how to deal with people not having jobs. If you need to artificially create jobs to keep the system going, the system is the problem.

The Nordic model is based on a mixed economy, but one that is more socialist than America. It is an irrelevant argument to squabble over the exact definition of socialism when people are giving you an example of precisely what they want. It's a red herring so you don't have to talk about the actual efficacy of the system.

nigger I am just shit talking you.

don't cry, mountain jew.

>This "inevitable technocracy" is pure bologna.
Not in a truly free market.
In a truly free market technologies that create more efficiency will be implemented 100% of the time.
So I'm afraid you're gonna have to choose, do you want your free market or do you want to protect your country from Globalism, because you can't have both.

he didn't say socialist, he said mixed, which is what the US is and always has been

I wish I was a Driver then a welsh catgirl could sit on me.

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Shapiro is a statist cunt, what I'm defending is the NAP. You don't have the right to tell other people how to conduct their business and prohibit them from getting better hardware.

That's not a principle because virtue would dictate the desirable course of action so such a principle first has to establish what is virtuous. What you said is just nice sounding nonsense.

Capitalism is not something that works to serve us you retarded nigger. Capitalism is not a system or a tool put to use for betterment of the economy. Capitalism is the lack of a system, the lack of control and the fostering of voluntary economic interactions.

Capitalism certainly does have a requirement to stick to it if you want to be moral, but you clearly don't. You deem controlling others as good if it has a result you deem to have positive benefits. You are a control-freak and think your own moral compass is the pinnacle of virtue and people should be forced to abide to it. You don't have a right to force other people to do anything.

so this interview is just shapiro interrogating tucker to test his loyalty to the almighty shekel ?

>the self driving trucks will be more dangerous than trucks with drivers.
It might be less dangerous

>mutt
Isn't Switzerland a mongrelised place of at least three ethnicities?

>false premise
>You can stop self-driving cars in the United States, but then what? China, India, Mexico, etc. will still use them.
False premise. They already have trains. So do we. What is the benefit of replacing human driven trucks with automated trucks?
>You would be simply slowing American productivity while everyone else exceeds us.
What productivity? Will driverless trucks be loaded or unloaded faster? Will they be able to do 200mph down the highway? Will they get to their destinations faster? What is the productivity gain? The only gain will be shareholder profits.

>the self driving trucks will be more dangerous than trucks with drivers.
I agree with you in this point. This, however is not the point being discussed.

>you are shilling for corporations that don't give a shit about you.
Not an argument.

You unironically belong in an oven you amoral kike.

Read this guy Good retort.
You ancap's are so beta it's unbelievable. Pic related. Quit defending the people with their boot on your throat just because they arent the gubment and get rid of your meme ideology,kiddo.

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>the self driving trucks will be more dangerous than trucks with drivers.
Completely false. The opposite is true.

Also the consumer does obviously benefit in the end or you don't understand capitalism.

"Capitalism" doesn't exist, as all it ever was was a strawman by invented by Mr Karl Marx in order to advance his pet ideology of commie-ism.

Tucker is too good for this world

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The affect of capitalism on progress is vastly overstated. It was actually primarily government-funded research (much of which was was for war) that was the cause of progress (which is still the case today). The capitalists don't come in until the tech is made. The fact that we happened to be in a capitalist system during the industrial revolution doesn't mean capitalism is the only possible way we could have progressed. China was significantly more advanced than the West for a good thousand years well before capitalism was a thing.

Exactly. It's the European market economy viewed through a parasitic, Jewish lens.

>The opposite is true
Proofs?

>I'll admit I'm not a Teddy Roosevelt fan and I would oppose the trustbusting
the absolute state of corporate shills.
I'll bet he hates Andrew Jackson too.

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Both CNN and Fox are CIA controlled you larping faggot piece of shit. Both parties are false. Both parties are evil and their power stems from theatrical performances that you faggots eat up. Now go read Trump’s twitter feed like the good goys you are.

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>thinks controlling others is moral
>accuses others of immorality
ayy lmao

emotional drivel

So I take it that you’d prioritise maintaining comfortable lifestyles rather than the spiritual health of your people? Because as far as I can see, the downside of Capitalism is that degeneracy has an easier time being proliferated.

>not an argument

you ben shapiro memesters are awful at rational thought.

you will side with people for shit that wont benefit you and likely hurt you because of "muh markets".

you're the same type that says labor surplus is good and shill for open borders.

you're just a wannabe kike, which makes you even lower than a kike.

This. Pure Hegelian dialectic.
Competition is not the same thing as capitalism. Competition leads to growth, competition is what most people think of when they think captialism, but unrestrained "capitalism" leads to monopoly, oligarchy and tenchnoligarchy.

So am I. But my shittalking is true.

proofs?

Excuse me but have you fucking -seen- what truck driving is like in foreign countries, especially India?
Self-driving trucks are never going to be able to happen there. Not unless they completely redo the entire infrastructure and murder 70% of their population. The US is one of the only places looking at self-driving technology because it's one of the only places that would be able to use self-driving technology.

I have nothing to say to your kind
Actually kill yourself, you're less than human.

>This debate really comes down to whether or not societies should blindly sacrifice for the future or focus more on their current level of happiness

This, and I 100% believe that the current era will be looked at as a turning point, we're seeing the negative effects of globalisation but are also entwined with it in ways that most people wouldn't want to give up.
I stand by it that nations should try to be as self reliant as possible though, train their own doctors, own scientists, drivers, etc, there's no reason it CAN'T be done, the question is if it's 'competitive' to do so? If the answer is 'No' then people need to realize exactly how serious that is.

Remember that the Scandinavian countries being good meme only stopped applying after they opened their doors to the entire planet.

Small homogenous populations can have a lot of the socialized infrastructure without issue. It only falls apart when it gets opened to abuse.

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China, Mexico and India are unlikely to allow driverless cars for the very reason that Tucker is saying. There is such a great social cost to their future usage that phasing them in over an incredibly long time is the only real solution

Who is gonna get hurt if noone is driving? Also sensors, software n shiet are faster at breaking etc. than any human. See tesla autopilot.

You can't stop the encroachment of technology. Whatever legal restrictions you want will become useless in a matter of time.

Whatever system comes out of these new technologies, human biology will not be able to adapt. Disaster is on the horizon.

>implying that your conception of “”””rights”””” mean fuck-all to anybody that doesn’t accept your arbitrary philosophical/moral framework

Libertarianism is a nice idea, but its proponents seem to lack any sense of proportion when it comes to our real world situation

All the commie rhetoric in this thread makes me sick.

Yea, technology that requires less manpower to accomplish a task is a good thing. Period. It's good for everybody interested in accomplishing that task.

The emotional bullshit about the poor truck drivers is stupidity. The self driving truck would be a huge technological leap forward.

your bants are weak just like your genetic line.
get off of this site before the Australians show up and treat you like you're the new janny.

>you ben shapiro memesters are awful at rational thought.
Nice assumption but Ben Shapiro is a statist cunt.

>you will side with people for shit that wont benefit you and likely hurt you because of "muh markets".
muh mocking your position im so awesum XD

>you're the same type that says labor surplus is good and shill for open borders.
Another assumption, how nice. I shill for closed borders. Any libertarian/ancap against borders is retarded.

>you're just a wannabe kike, which makes you even lower than a kike.
Yes, you do fit in Jow Forums so trying to fit in you already did enough memery

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China is putting a ton of money into AI. It doesn't need to self-driving cars particularly. They are just one example of tech that will make certain jobs obsolete.

Can't we all just get along?

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Yes, communists just screamed "capitalist!" at everything that got in their way, to varying degress of success.

The slippery term "late stage capitalism" has been engineered to pander to this team of useful idiots and puppet-masters. When libertardians hear it, they get sad because it's at a "late stage": and when commies hear it, they get sad because it's "capitalism."

>nordic countries
No.
>The success of Nordic countries is based on the fact that historically they have relied on free-markets and protection of private property. The only exception is a short period in Sweden (see myth #2) wherein socialist policies crippled growth and job creation. Nordic nations do have high taxes and generous welfare, but in many other regards they have unusually free markets
>stream.org/5-myths-nordic-socialism-mislead-the-american-left/
I'm so sick of this lie repeated over and over and over again while they ignore Venezuela - which is more socialist than anywhere else and is a complete failure. Socialism destroys economies because big business' flees to more favorable areas and the government thrives on mismangagement because your department doesn't get more money next year for being efficient.

On American roads that's fine.
But in literally every foreign country where trucking is used to transport goods, they have dirt roads that cave in as you drive on them with like maybe 3 inches of clearance from falling off a cliff. Self-driving tech is probably not good enough to handle this.

but imagine 10 million heavily armed and unemployed individuals. upward of 43 million jobs could be lost in total. imagine then all heavily armed and unemployed.

now try to imagine a country that on one hand is spending 1/3th of it's work force into unemployment all the while importing shitskins to work.

this isn't simply an issue of oh they will just relocate or whatever. you're going to have a fucking revolution. the Jews don't give a shit because they will leave the host after it's killed and move on to the next.

when you're being torn apart by the mob capitalism isn't going to mean a fucking thing.

Your still going so I guess it still stings. Shrug it off and get back on topic. I don't think you have much to contribute mentally though.

Would side with a based Dane over a delusional AnCap (who’s most likely American, since they’re the only ones insulated enough to have a large number of people thinking that it would work right now)

Far, far too many memeflaggots, namefags and tripfags in these threads. Really makes me (((think))). When I rise to power, all of you will be tracked down, dragged out into the street and shot. In minecraft.

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good post.

ancaps are very very stupid and they try to pretend that they are principled when in fact they are wannabe jews and nation destroyers.

how do you compete with china when chang gets paid a bologna sandwiche, dog toes, and knock off coke to work for 16 hours?

you don't unless you want to become a nation of slaves.

>libertarianism
nigger please, looking at my flag shouldn't be that hard

get an argument, nigger cunt

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Only good post in this shit thread

>M-MUH CAPITALISM
>M-MUH MARKET
>Y-Y-YOU'RE JUST COMMUNISTS
Yeah let's just replace every job ever with AI leaving humans to do what exactly?
Be fucking janitors? Why even have school anymore if nobody can be or do anything? Why even have capitalism if nobody can make money because there's no jobs?

How does AI benefit the society? It literally only benefits the Goldbergs and Silversteins as they race to be humanity's first trillionaire. Normal people's lives, citizen's lives, will only be negatively affected by this.

good post.

ancaps are very very stupid and they try to pretend that they are principled when in fact they are wannabe jews and nation destroyers.

how do you compete with china when chang gets paid a bologna sandwiche, dog toes, and knock off coke to work for 16 hours?

you don't unless you want to become a nation of slaves.

ancaps MIGHT even be worse than antifa. they share many of the same beliefs.

>wageslave thinks he needs to be employed or he will cease to exist

All the retards attacking me keep making baseless assumptions. It's absolutely ebin. Check my flag.

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Retard. You're talking about putting tens of millions of people out of work. Truckers make on average 60-90k per year. That's anywhere from 600-900 billion dollars you want to take out of the economy because of a technological leap forward. Where is the efficiency? Do trucks go faster when they're automated? Do automated trucks get loaded and unloaded faster?
No, the only benefit is that autistic fucks like you don't have to deal with other people.

I was implying that the tech is advanced enough or it would not be introduced to actually replace employees. But you got a point.

Being small and homogeneous are completely irrelevant unless you're a stupid racist.

Well yeah. How the fuck do you get a home or health care or food without employment and thus without money?

They are doing so to kill any technology in the cradle. They are a Huxleyite society, social order comes before everything else and anything that could disrupt it without being planned is horrifying. Big hint, they also do not have any real social safety net. Keep that in mind.

sensors act up in the cold and adverse weather. what happens when a sensor goes out and a 18 wheeler plows through a busy street full of kids like a sandnigger in Europe?

a fucking PR disaster.

Topping our headlines today, local anarcho-capitalist thinks the founding fathers were "control-freaks" and had no right to "force other people to do anything" under the commerce clause of the constitution. In other news, two pennsylvania anarcho-capitalists john mitchell and phillip wigle were pardoned after president washington decided that "hanging mentally ill merchant-pussies by the neck" was not an appropriate use of taxpayer funding.

>That's anywhere from 600-900 billion dollars you want to take out of the economy
What do you mean "take out"?
You think people are gunna start burning money if it's cheaper to deliver goods?

Money isn't even a real thing you stupid nigger. A dollar is a piece of paper. It's a digital nothing. Why do you care about money?

You're right it's gonna be a big problem that needs solutions. But banning new, revolutionary efficient tech as a form of social care is not the solution imo.

Make sure Praceteom is first, he shitted up the last two threads something fierce

>The emotional bullshit about the poor truck drivers is stupidity.

It isn't emotional bullshit, it's a very real problem.
What do you do now you've put 10million people out of work. Do you know how much of a problem that is? It's not just about the money either, think of the social costs.
People talk about the opiate crisis and such right now, how do you think it will be if you have areas the size of a small country put into perpetual unemployment?
And it's a genuine question.

who will this less manpower benefit?

not you. you're a dumbass. they same type of dumbass that shills for labor surpluses being delivered from foreign countries.

Taking care of your own people is important to NATIONHOOD. go be a rootless cosmopolitan somewhere else while munching doritos and cheering for jew shaqueero. When you break a tooth I hope the insurance that you pay for doesn't cover it because you weren't supposed to be eating doritos and they make even more money off of you therefore IMPROVING THE MARKETS AND PROFITS.

you're just a bootlicking brainlet.

No, you don't cease to exist. You can have your own farm. You can have a robot to care for it.

In the imaginary singularity that you are dreading, the price of labor is so cheap that everything will be free.
These forces are related to eachother.

Actually the only benefit is that Jerry Eisenwald who owns the trucking company now makes 82billion dollars a year instead of 78billion because of all the workers he doesn't have to pay.

What exactly does giving billions of dollars more to the rich do for us again? We repeatedly give them tax breaks and yet college costs soar, wages stagnate, real estate is inflated to the point where almost nobody can own a home. health care is still fucked.

So how is this benefitting the American people again?

depopulation

we dont need 8x more people than existed 200 years ago.

You're a jew like ben shapiro so naturally you choose the technocracy. Seriously though, we can have a free market while simultaneously protecting our people.

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I wouldn't call the founding fathers "control-freaks", they designed what is possibly the smallest government ever designed up to their point in time. However, if the founding fathers still had their beliefs with all the knowledge and access to it we have today then yes, they would be control-freaks.

Marxist Socialism will always fail, especially when being implemented by a bunch of brown people. National Socialism, on the other hand, enjoyed quite the success before being dogpiled by every noseberg-puppet government in the largest war in history.

If the country in question has no idea what the fuck they’re doing, then of course they’re going to have private industry fucking them over for easier sheckels elsewhere. It’s a question of finding the right economic balance, and providing your nation an environment that instills loyalty and a meaningful sense of community, rather than expedient individualism. You might say that such a thing contradicts the natural state of man, but I would disagree.

No no, we agree on this. Especially
>the unintended consequences that a rush to Jewish profit levels at any cost can cause

>taking away sources of income for people is revolutionary
ok, dont complain when the mob with pitchforks and torches come for you after you've taken their jobs