I had lunch with some friends from college this weekend. A couple of which...

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once every 1 to 5 days.

I think B is right, but he sounds a lot like me, so I guess that's some anecdotal evidence that helps answer your question.

I had therapy and it was pretty useless for me. I don't even know what it was supposed to do, it was just awkward to be honest.

I had to see several mental health professionals from a very young age.
Up until 4th grade I only had to see the school counselor on a mandatory bi-weekly basis.
In 4th grade I had a (poorly executed) suicide attempt.
I then had to see actual therapists.
The first one just had me play board games every visit and had no progress after two months.
The second one done diddled my little fiddle.
After that my mom decided that therapy wasn't an option at that point and I went back to living my life.
I started getting into lots of fights in middle school, so the county forced me to get more therapy.
Third therapist just tried to give me medication immediately. My family and I were hesitant to resort to pharmaceuticals, so we told her that we wouldn't do that unless it was the only option. She refused any further sessions unless we would agree. We did not.
The fourth and final therapist wasted our money for 8 months only to decide that I was a natural sociopath and there was nothing to be done. Also fewer people are interested in diddling soon-to-be high school boys.

Anyway, that was pretty much the end of my problems. It turns out that people stop picking on you when you break their noses and they have to walk around the school with embarrassing face bandages for a week.
After that I made a few friends and had a fairly normal life.
I still have lingering depression and suicidal thoughts now and then, but if you just man up and learn to find some humor in it or something you can live through it just fine.

>Also fewer people are interested in diddling soon-to-be high school boys.
this part was meant to go after the part about not having many problems any more, its not related to the fourth therapist in any way

Yeah. I'm with B. Shrinks are in it for the money. If a problem gets fixed, they loose a customer. So, they drag on "treatment". You know what they never do? Tell you to do out there and fix the problem. Confront a bully, tell you to exercise or travel to see the world and how good you have it. Nope, they treat symptom with a fucking pill.

Some asshole giving you a hard time? Here, take this pill. It will be like you are surrounded by plexiglass and don't give a fuck any more. Problem (((solved))).

The US Army doesn't accept recruits that have been on psychoactive drugs. That tells you what they think of them.

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You have two friends and they're both mentally unsound.

At best, shrinks off "talk therapy". Just talk shit out. Get a load off your chest. Hire an Uber and give him an earful about how your neighbor blows his leaves onto your lawn.

TALK THERAPY IS Jow Forums IRL.

>I was a natural sociopath and there was nothing to be done.

Genuinely scary

Not really.

My friend (B) is a hyper closeted NEET with deep seeded mommy/daddy issues. His mom basically spoils him/supports him on top of his job (tech guy) so that he won't leave her all alone. And then demands he repress his emotions and rage, "because you'll make me look bad as a mother". He doesn't date, because he doesn't like girls but can't be a faggot in open because he's afraid his mom will reject him. He also has a great deal of resentment towards his dad, who left him as a baby and now has a new family and won't piss on him if he was on fire. Which ties into his mommy love/hate issue; he basically offered to give up full custody of (B) in exchange for no child support and allimony and his mom foolishly accepted, because the woman he left her for came from money and his mom was a poor fag that was afraid he'd outspend her into getting sole custody.

(B) never forgave her for that, especially since his half-siblings were spoiled brats who had the best of everything and grew up rich and he grew up poor. Which led to his mom spoiling the shit out of him, the best she could, to keep him from harassing his dad and his new family (which included trashing his step-brother and sister's new cars; which he didn't go to jail for, only because his step-brother felt sorry for (B) and talked his sister and their dad into letting it slide).

*offer

Im have digestive problems, I tick every box of symptoms and causes gor difuse esophagial spasms, my gp reckons its just my accute anxiety resurfacing after three years. I am not under any stress right now and my mood is good

1. Thoughts?
2. Tips on finding the stressor that i am evidently unaware of?

I don't even know what she was on about. Back then I thought that meant I was going to become a serial killer or something, so I was kind of freaked out.
Looking back I'm pretty sure she just pulled that out of her ass so we wouldn't bring it up with her boss that we were completely dissatisfied with her.
I'm not the most empathetic fellow now, but I was apparently the most sensitive loving little kid up until I had to go to school. Wanted to hug and befriend everybody. Explains why I was the designated target of other kids.

I probably just have some sort of fucking autism.

its a pseudoscience at best

thats a fact

Do you believe adhd exists

>needing 'professional help'
>to survive
Have you fucking heard yourself? You and your friends are betafags whether you get help or not. Needings help ffs man up a trillion gazillion humans before you managed without shrinks or tablets

It’s not necessarily wrong to see a therapist. All they really are is “professional listeners.” You could pay anyone you trust to sit there quietly and listen to yourself complain. There’s no reason the listeners should be “students of the psyche” however. A philosopher, an elder parish, a mentor, anyone you trust... anyone familiar with the Socratic method really. that’s what we do in human societies. Seek out wisdom from the wisest in our midst.
All we’ve done in modern society is distance ourselves from our elders and pay overpriced non threatening sweater vest Jews to sit and nod because they’ve programmed us to think that type of person is our “wisest” in society.
Yes your friend is wasting his money.
No, he’s not wrong to want to talk to someone but he’s paying a prostitute for love.

That sucks. Hope you don't diddle anyone else and repeat the cycle

what's a simple way to overcome anxiety ?

What's your diet like? And your job,what are you exposed to? Do you have other body cramps?

It could be regular vasospasm caused by smoking dodgy grass (muh chemicals!!!) or not eating enough protein. Not my area of expertise but I would suggest you avoid proton-pump inhibitors, long term it's not worth the struggle. As a previous alcoholic myself, I would treat this issue by staying over-hydrated (eat salty food to helpy our body hold the extra water and avoid 20 piss breaks a day) and taking magnesium supplements. Any recent hiccup fits, gynecomastia, etc could point to something more sinister though like an adrenal tumor.

reduce caffeine intake

no

Nah, pretty much just turned off from anything sexual entirely.
Tried dating for a bit, but as it turns out girls are just as guilty of not understanding the meaning of "no" as guys are.
Now I just spend all the time, effort, and money I would have wasted on relationship pursuits, marriage, etc on building a cool library/archive thing.
I get lots of useful nonfiction books, maps, copies of public documents, or anything.
Knowledge is a better pursuit than flesh anyway.

Then youre a full of shit larper its in the dsm

it sounds like B is a whole bag of fucking crazy, however, he's not wrong

I used to suspect that I had BPD or bi polar until I realized that instead of being miserable about being miserable, if I just took care of myself and my surroundings and then used my free time to improve myself through productive hobbies, all of the symptoms begin to fade away.

Oftentimes it seems those with depression turn bettering themselves and exercising into an insurmountable task through denial and rationalizations because they have been conditioned into believing there is something wrong with their brain chemistry as opposed to there being something wrong with their lifestyle that is affecting their brain chemistry.

is that your holy book or something? we have like three versions of the dsm now.

Your work is supposed to be science based and psychiatry follows the dsm because its based on science. Youre larping or complete retard that bought their degree

I can relate to both your friends. Honestly, I just don't trust therapists to be worth the money they're paid, and I'm EXTREMELY apprehensive about being prescribed ANY sort of anti-psychotic or anti-depressant or whatever. I'm sure I personally have like five "mental illnesses" or disorders, but I feel like being diagnosed will just fuck with my head and turn me into a defeatist problem-boi.

On the other hand, I don't have it as bad as your second friend. I'm pretty level, though I have my ranges.

To be short and concise, I'd say your friend has a really good point about not trusting that shit, though I think you're right that a therapist MAY do him some good. Just no meds unless he really can't balance himself.

Imo niggas need hope, spirituality, and something to aspire to. We label everything a disorder, when the truth is there are many functional archetypes of the human mind, and no one specifically is "normal".

Shrinks are horrible. Especially for children, teens, or the easily influenced. I've known of several cases like this that turned out tragically.
I had a brother who got into this garbage really early. The idiots in charge of him encouraged him in all his stupid behaviors, and convinced him he had all kinds of phobias and quirks, which he played into dramatically. He had more than a few who believed every word he said. One called us in for a 'family meeting' and told us to 'do what he wanted' more often (even though he was/is a control freak) and to go around the room and compliment him. I told her I had nothing good to say about him. During the half-hour of meeting the rest of us, she also diagnosed all of us with different illnesses. It's all bunk. They never improve people. They're just excuses for acting retarded.

I had therapy pushed on me for fourteen years.
It took twelve years for anybody to suggest that I was on the autistic spectrum, and another two for anybody to twig that I had actually had been "bumped up the autism spectrum" artificially by a traumatic childhood.

In my experience, all therapists do is ask you endless streams of socratic of questions that they hope will lead you to answering your own problems.

Psychiatrists just want to push their drugs on you so they get paid by big pharma.

Nowadays I've left my family, who pushed the "mental health" route, and do not identify as autistic or traumatized.

I'm actually becoming more socially normal, and people no longer treat me like there's something wrong with me.

Soon I will find a job and become a member of society - all it took was me realizing that therapy was bullshit, and drugs just mask underlying problems with your life itself.

I’ve been on adhd meds since I was a kid and now I can’t think without them, is it just a placebo effect or am I fucked neurologically

I just checked and adhd is in the dsm 5 which is the latest version. Im an idiot and i realize that its accepted science

>dsm based on science

wow. I totally disagree with you.

>I had actually had been "bumped up the autism spectrum" artificially by a traumatic childhood
That's a thing? Weird.

No adhd is real its why smokers with adhd find it so hard to quit theyre self medicating and were fucked to begin with

Then youre not a doctor youre a larper which is fine

you can substitute with sugar and caffeine and get halfway there

THIS

wow. So if I don't worship your scripture you'll kick me out of your hospital?

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The brain is plastic user, as in it can reshape itself.

So both, in time you can function without amphetamines as your brain adjusts.

Also wim hof stuff helps tons of shit like this, goggle him if your interested.

B is right. Just man the fuck up, don't kys like a faggot, and get a life.

If youre a real doctor thats pretty fucked i feel sorry for your patients giving them sugar instead of life changing medicines that are the most effective in modern medicine

lol. Try some of the guinea pig pills yourself, shill.

I'm an ex heroin addict. Drugs rewrite our brains, including alcohol and weed, caffeine and even sugar. That's not necessarily a bad thing for substances we're supposed to consume, but otherwise if we try to quit those substances it leaves our brains in a scarred and zombified state for some time. I've been healing from heroin all year and it's a painfully slow process. It really broke me, but I'm back on top. You will likely be fried for a while if you quit, but it'll be worth it and I highly recommend it.

If you can't think, laugh, or care at your baseline sober level, then you shouldn't be taking meds until you solve that. You'll basically need to meditate, albeit casually and not in the monk sense. By that I mean, you have to catch yourself thinking poor thoughts, and correct them or dissolve them. We don't cause our thoughts, but how we answer them is our one true choice in life.

Diet is decent. Yoghurt or porridge for brekky, ham/tomato or chicken/avo for lunch. Dinner is meat and vege most nights. Im super predictable.

Neet. Didnt leave the house much to begin with.

No cramps.

I quit smoking dudeweed at the onset about a month ago because I thought the hiccup/burp spasms were caused by them.

I have man tits for someone my weight but thats par for the course.

I havent been able to keep any food down in the last week or so with taking a pantoprazole an hour or so beforehand. This includes yoghurt, ice cream etc. I swallow, i can feel it stuck in my throat and after a while it comes up. Should i stop taking it and why?

It concerns me you brought up hiccup and tumour because I forgot to mention this to my gp this norning and while he was quote adamant he thought it was just anxiety he nonetheless gave me a refferral for a barrillium swallow.

Its also worth noting that my anxiety(agoraphobia) returned after the hiccups spasms started.

Should i try and get the swallow done asap? I convinced myself that fears of tumors were pure neuroticism.

Thak you.

Yeah, your mind sorta retreats inwards under pressure, and you start to live more in your own head than in your external sensory reality.

This manifests similarly to autism.

Autism comes from "Auto" meaning "Self"

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I guess "oppositional defiance disorder" is a real thing too? And faggotry is not a mental illness?

>>>r/ifuckinglovescience

based ex junkie

the one thing a man forever possesses is the space between external stimulus and his reaction

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Friend B is right. Therapy is for faggots with low IQs

>reduce caffeine intake
What if your caffeine intake is 0? And despite always being around lots of supportive people you still feel like you have not much in common with them? Just wondering because I've had a mostly normal life, but have never been normal. Always anxious. Always a loner.

Seen therapists and been on plenty of meds, but nothing has worked.

Do shrooms

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>Esophageal spasm is rare. Often, symptoms that may suggest esophageal spasm are the result of another condition such as gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) or achalasia.[2] The symptoms can also include dysphagia, regurgitation, noncardiac chest pain,[3] heartburn,[4] globus pharyngis (which is a feeling that something is stuck in the throat) or a dry cough.[5]

I have all of these + shortness of breath

>nothing works
take some mushrooms, about 3 grams once a year. not a lot, but they help mood.

That may have happened to me, but I always had quiet and distant tendencies. Never diagnosed with autism though.

>re most people who are die-hard anti-psychiatry/therapy just poor fags who actually could benefit from going to a psychiatrist and because they can't get professional help
The truth is that literally everyone would benefit from therapy. If our societies were healthy, it would be viewed in the same way as exercise. It helps articulates any problems you have and gives you an insight into your own nature. People who think that rejection of feelings make them tough are probably stunted in some way psychologically. Usually it's the biggest soiboys that have this attitude, because it gives them a sense of superiority over other men.

surround yourself with like minded people.

Nope. Its free here and people still complain. People never stop complaining.

lol spotted the faggot. Soi bois love to sit around talking to their therapist while drinking their soi lattes on sunday afternoons.

I relate to this post very strongly. I too have the artificially induced tism.
Indeed.

I'm tistic as all hell, but I can mask it well enough for people not to notice. Personally I think it's an endearing quality of mine, as long as I can still be a damn man most of the time.

I hate to say it, but I've been diagnosed with depression, add, and autism for the last 18 years or so, and I honestly think focusing on the problem has done more harm than good. Because my family expects so little of me due to the disorder I was pressured to stay at a job that I hated, but that was easy. After I finally quit after a breakdown its since become a constant thing that they're pushing me to get a job through a service that helps disabled people find jobs.
Thing is I've been finding odd jobs to do on my own, and I'd rather keep doing that until I have enough work to survive. But they always treat that as an unrealistic goal since I have autism.
I honestly think that being diagnosed and treated as disabled has stunted me, and that I would've been better off never being diagnosed, and instead having people be more accepting of a different personality.

Well said, agreed.

I've been on both sides.
Spent some time with Scientology (protip...skip this rabbit trail) and was pretty opposed to psych meds and therapy.

Mellowed out after leaving it behind and did get some mildly useful meds for mild anxiety & depression. Therapy, not so much, but did start talking to a preist who happened to also be a psychologist. He'd gone to team Jesus. I thought it sounded okay and all, but still had my own ideas and thought I could induce experiences leading to enlightenment.

God shoved my head into the pavement and life started to suck hard for several years.

I stopped trying to do it myself and actually studied the bible while I was NEET for a considerable time. Most therapists along the way, and all drugs but weed, were useless.

I got right with Jesus, found a new psychologist (other guys retired and moved), and slowly but surely got better. No more weed. Regular full time job.

I'm still not where I'd like to be in life, but content knowing God has it all in hand.

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What made you decide to not study real medicine.

ADD meds are not healthy, especially long-term. Lots of evidence to prove it. But the legal system either isn't interested or has been very slow to respond

>family holding you back
They mean well but don't let them stop you from setting and achieving goals

You're absolutely right, user. It has stunted you. Ask yourself, do you feel disabled? Or do you just have shit you need to figure out?

Letting your family look down on you will be the death of you. Don't let them pity you. Let them take certain things away if it means standing up for your pride.

IDK. Good luck user. Imo you're just in a rough patch like many young men in our generation. It won't be like this forever. I hope you convince yourself you can do any job if you focus and learn with patience. Because you can.

Pretty much.

1. I'm a licensed Electrical PE. If I specify a building to be wired up so that everybody who plugs in an appliance becomes charcoal, I can be sued, lose my license and possibly go to jail. If a patient of yours kills anybody, are you held liable? And to what extent?

2. Do you call yourself a scientist?

Psychiatry has a success rate equal to a placebo drug. Psychiatrists exist as a profession entirely on anecdotal evidence.

If you can’t handle life without drugs and psychologists, you shouldn’t handle life at all.

I've spent $10,000+ on CBT and pills from SSRI's, antipsychotics, to benzos and in between since I was 8 years old. Shrinks are clueless, it's a degree any retard can get. The only time they are useful is if you are:
1) ignorant enough to trust them and fall for the power of suggestion
2) didn't have real issues to sort out and want someone to talk to
3) want to become exactly what your friend described; a limp dick zombie probably with brain damage at the end
Bipolar and a lot of the anxiety issues they attempt to treat have extremely poor prognosis and every single one tends to be a young gagefag nosering chest hair out flamboyant faggot who went into it because they themselves are unhinged. Their understanding is incredibly basic and completely different from 25 years ago that every time you go you'll get diagnosed with something different. They're about as effective as quack chiropractors administering at best placebo, at worst dangerous bullshit. The pill pushers aren't much better only having a code of ethics a few decades ago and throwing the pharma jew at you that is full of side effects and still poor outcomes.

Unless you need to be tranqued for psychosis in a hospital ward stay the fuck away from them.

I keep having these blackouts where I don’t remember what has happened. When they happen I always come too covered in blood. This is from yesterday.
FROM HELL
Love, JACK.

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Psychiatry is literally the most jewish thing in existence.

It does, it’s the result of sleep deprivation due to poor sleep quality rather than lack of sleep hours. Unfortunately sleep specialists only know about sleep apnea so if it’s down to something else you’ll end up on stimulants anyway.

therapy depends a lot on therapist and it is could be very time consuming and expensive having to go through several before finding one that works for you, but B is right about the meds antidepressants are bullshit

a drug that actually works is ketamine. single dose will treat mild depression. if its more severe might have to repeat k treatment after a couple weeks. psilocybin is very good and cheap alternative for therapy

I think everyone needs therapy. like just talking things off their chests and getting hints from an expert to make things better for oneself.
I'm not a fan of medicaments - I think they should only be used when there is no hope left.

Meh if i didnt get meds i wouldve killed myself or drank myself to death

Tell me. How often do you kill yourself?

> OP doesn't have enough money to see Madam Lardas.

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doesn't change a fact he has got some shit figured out.
when you don't date and are into tech, you have more times to think and figure some things out. your opinions are not shaped by what other people think because you simply don't give a shit.

That depends on the therapist senpai.

You put into an institutional setting (school) that was not meant for you. The point of institutional education is to break and destroy people like you. And me for that matter.

I actually excelled at the "academic" part of school.
Never did any of the blasted homework, but aced every test and never studied once.
Never got indoctrinated, obviously, so that was good too.
I was one of about five people who were carrying our school-wide standardized test score for everyone else.
It was the "social" aspect that fucked me up for a while, but after middle school I was fine.

friend B had a point. most shrinks juice out the healthcare system and get patients addicted to pharma; either heroin tier, or the tier that your friend described (leaving you limp dicked and slicing your wrists)

Me too. Great at academics bad at everything else. But the social norming aspect is the real point. To get children to sit down for long stretches, to uncritically obey authority, to be conformists. People who can’t do that get crushed.

Precisely, but a jew therapist whose goal is to brainwash you to serve zog is not the answer, talk to friends, family, or even anonymous faggots on a czech knitting forum

Psychiatrists are not a bad idea.
They're the same thing as education and schools, they teach you how to get through life and manage your problems.

But real Psychiatrists/Psychotherapists/etc. are probably very rarely a good idea. They have NO IDEA what they're talking about, and they're effectively just drug dealers.

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How can i quit my sugar addiction? It's pathetic, but really bad
I need off of it.

Can you recommend a good Chiropractor.