Right to Healthcare

Because healthcare is a service provided by other people. You don't have a right to other people's services. Healthcare isn't an object that you can procure by your own means. If anything you have the right to the amount of healthcare you can provide for yourself.

Price is set by the seller and the buyer. If the seller price is too high, he lowers. If the buyer price is too low, he raises or doesn't buy.

>healthcare is a service
nope.
it's technically a utility because you need it in modern society.

literally governed by a spoiled socialist brat, imagine that. she also looks like a femdom porn actress who makes cuck humiliation videos.

>Price is set by the seller and the buyer
so, free market capitalism, which is what we have in the healthcare industry now.
but you're still under obligation as a medical professional to attempt to save a life.
why should that change?
are you advocating death panels?

What is the utility? A person? You do not have a right to the services of another person. You are a stupid person

>word slips that I correct in real-tomd

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>want universal single-payer healthcare
>also wants open borders

Can someone explain Occasional-Coccyx the problems with that. Use easy words and short sentences though.

stop handouts for the rest of the world/israel

start paying for the well-being of your citizens

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>What is the utility?

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I don't believe that any medical professional should be obligated by any law to save any life. That should be at their discretion. Death panels aren't needed. People live and people die. You don't need a panel to die.

>should be at their discretion
and why does learning medicine give one the ability to properly discern between who lives and who dies?
are we going to give them guns and allow them to be judge, jury, and executioner outside of the hospitals as well?

You circled "public utility". Good job. Who is providing healthcare? What is the utility providing healthcare? It is one or multiple people. You do not have the right to the will of other people. Read that a few times a beat it into your thick skull

why don't we?

we're already paying for daykwon and his 6 kids not to mention Juanita and her 4 kids to have healthcare on our dime.

seems like it only breaks the camel's back when it comes to white men receiving healthcare.

Learning medicine doesn't give people abilities to discern life or death decisions. People who study medicine are able to provide medical services. You are not guaranteed their services.

Daykwon, his six kids, Juanita, and her four kids, do not have the right to healthcare. They must pay for services provided to them. It's as simple as that.

>What is the utility providing healthcare?
and what is the utility providing electricity, natural gas, sewage treatment, waste management, etc.

it's all people, user.
still a fucking utility because it's a necessity for society to stay functional in this day and age.

do not move the goal posts or shift talking points again.
medical professional are not fit to discern who lives and who dies.
therefore, it is their duty to help whoever shows up with a bullet in them.

based op, those who refute him are turds

Should people also not have a right to lawyer in criminal proceedings also?

Just because it's a necessity for "society" doesn't mean it's a right. Electricty, gas,sewage, etc. are not rights to people. Stop being delusional. Your rights are what you can provide for yourself, not what OTHERS can provide for you. Until you realize this you will be wrong.

>rights
>guarantees
These are not synonyms. Stop using them as such. You cannot have rights to other people's stuff, only ENTITLEMENTS

>electricity, natural gas, sewage treatment, waste management
you still have to pay for all of those services. does someone pay those too?

It is not someone's duty to help whoever shows up at their door just because they have knowledge in medicine. Stop being stupid.
No.
You can have neither rights nor entitlements to other people's stuff.

>must pay for services provided to them

they do, with your money spent on government services that just dont apply to you.

ever notice how in the workplace niggers deny insurance through the company, ALWAYS?

they are getting that shit for free through dem programs. why dont those programs that WE (white men) pay for apply to us?

go ahead and do you mental gymnastics about how it isn't time to fight and how you're proud to spend your own money (400 a month typically) on something already paid for with your taxes that magically doesn't apply to you.

the white man will do anything but fight for himself... even burn his financial candle at both ends to tell himself he is winning.

This, apparently most people don't even know what a "right" is. A "right" isn't something the government gives you, it's something the government can't take away from you. I have a right to bear arms, the government can't take that away from me (no matter how hard they try). It doesn't mean the government has to supply me with an m4 carbine!

you still think that i'm arguing for it to be a right when i'm clearly calling it a utility.
however, the medical team has a legal obligation to save lives and therefore, you have a right to healthcare, by law.

this is why you are currently wrong.
if you want to change that law, i suggest you get cracking on that bill draft.

why do you think that "right" = "paid for by taxes"?
you have a right to own a gun but you still gotta buy that.

>say something disrespectful to me
>I don't care
>say something disrespectful to free healthcare
>it's best down! tomd!

>right to healthcare
>right to other people's labor
Where have I heard that before?

>not someone's duty to help whoever shows up at their door just because they have knowledge in medicine
it most certainly is.
if you have cpr training and you witness a person collapse from a heart attack, if you do not help them, you are legally accountable for negligent homicide.
don't like it, draft a bill to change the law.

she doesn't know what rights are

Youre a fucking idiot then, have fun licking those boots

Youve heard it where people also a have a right to a lawyer

I'm confused...

If a leftist believes that healthcare should be free, why don't they just go to medical school and provide their service pro bono after graduation?

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You can always defend yourself.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Healthcare services are not a right.
Healthcare is a service either provided by you to yourself or by someone else to yourself. You do not have the right to other people's services. Unintelligible retard
Bernie
No it's not. You're simply wrong. If I know about medicine and a sick person shows up in front of me, I am not obligated to help them
Durrrr lick bobbs
People do not have the right to a lawyer.

>not obligated to help them
you are by law.
you really need to learn that.

In a criminal court yes you absolutely have a right to an attorney you complete moron

>You can always treat yourself
You can defend yourself but you still have the right to a public defendant at the very least just like you should always have the right to free healthcare. A

Americans really are the dumbest people, get off pol you newfags rank2traffic.com/Jow Forums.org

>People do not have the right to a lawyer.
they most certainly do.

"free shit" is not a right

why?

healthcare is not a right

its a service/product

you don't have a right to a service/product

you aren't entitled to the labor of others

emperor trump needs to hold this bitch to the communist control act

Is a public defendant not "free shit"?

>if someone can't afford something, it should be free

are you a nigger?

"If you cannot afford a lawyer one will be provided for you"

services are goods

goods cost money

thats some new jewish bullshit

Surgical Registrar Here:
Here in Aus we regularly have to work un-paid overtime as complaining to HR pretty much ruins our chances at highly sought after consultant positions after we finish our post-grad training. Nurses and other health care professionals don't have to do this as they have muh union protections but us doctors are royally fucked over. If all the doctors in the Aus healthcare system claimed their unpaid overtime, the socialised healthcare system would spontaneously combust in less than a month.

Pray for us

Retarded as Cortez is...she apparently has no concept of the differences between positive and negative rights.

The US Constitution is a negative rights document. This is why the USA is great and free.

100% failure rate

homo africanus definitely get what they pay for

Not an argument, got off pol you newfag

and then what.
the lawyer does the surgery?

>you don't have a right to a service/product
ahem, guns.

Law does not dictate rights.
Criminal court does not dictate rights.
They do not.
This guy gets it.
That's the complete opposite of what I said. Are YOU an nigger?
Free lawyers are not a right.
Services cost money. Services are not goods. See how easy that is?

yeah

and the guns aren't free

>They do not.
see
>Law does not dictate rights.
correct!
it does however signify and ratify them.

The amount of money used(stolen if you think that way) by your governments frivolous use of your tax money you'd be able to afford your medical bills just fine.

irrelevant.
you still have a right to own the gun.
just like you have a right to the healthcare.

Healthcare is like any national service that enriches it's people and makes them better able to contribute, like roads, police, education...
>I shouldn't have to
Fine, everything ever created by another person or your nation or anything like that is no longer available to you. Why should they have to give up their time, knowledge, resources to you?
We got to this level of civilization by working together you fucking mong, healthcare is an ex tension of that.

Individualists get so retarded sometimes.

Jesus. No one can actually refute this. This sounds like a new liberal talking point in the making.

There is absolutely a right an attorney, you moron. At no cost to you, if you opt to use the public defendant, how are you this dumb. Jow Forums was never this right wing, hell it was a place where some people even coordinated parts of the occupy movement now its been taken over by boomers and edgy libertarians. Were gonna give you free healthcare and youll fucking like it

do you even want a functional society or an oligarchy?

You understand liberals dont want universal healthcare right, Obama has a near supermajority and still didnt get it done and instead went with what is essentially Romneycare but for the nation. Pelosi, Schumer, and Clinton are all against it.

had*

>Jow Forums was never this right wing
the right wing understands the right to attorney, user.
you're calling him a leftist because leftists don't understand law.

monarchy

democracy is tryanny of the majority

the worthless masses

allowing non land owners and then allowing women to vote for sure was the worst thing we ever did

now theyre voting to allow mexican invaders swarm our boarder because of their stupid fee fees

the right to a lawyer is less than 70 years old

it's new age jewish bullshit

Jow Forums has become so much more right wing than it used to, I blame the huge influx of new users rank2traffic.com/Jow Forums.org

Democrats arent leftist as much as you may wish it so.

the only thing niggercare did was make the price of healthcare skyrocket

which is exactly what happened to the cost of college when the pool of money became an infinite IOU from uncle sam

We have a right to healthcare we can afford to use. If that means gutting pharma profits with cost regulations and passing taxes on those who have more than enough money to pay for the rest than so be it.

Ya'll gotta stop choking on cocks of people that treat you like shit.

What is the State for 100 $

Americans fail this time and time again

A right to healthcare violates free will. Laws in any country do not decide what rights people truly have.
You can own a gun, you can't own "healthcare". Healthcare is a service provided by another person. You do not have the right to control another person's free will.
I agree with you. Why should anyone give up their time, knowledge, resources, or HEALTHCARE SERVICES to me? They shouldn't, because I am not entitled to their services. You are arguing against yourself.
You are not entitled to the s legal services of another person, you moron.
A functional society does not decide what rights are, Rights are inherent.

Fun fact: that huge spike in 2014 was the fappening.

I'd like to see that stupid donkey Occasio try for free healthcare. The pharmaceutical mafia just killed Trump's guy, Daniel Best, who was pursuing lower drug costs.

>if that means taking other people's money via regulations and taxes then so be it.
You are not entitled to other peoples things or services. Healthcare is not a right. You are dumb.

its not pharma its the hospital charge ledger

all because insurance companies are fucking retarded and want to imagine they're being given special discounts and deals

>Healthcare is a service provided by another person. You do not have the right to control another person's free will.
You do realise 'universal health care' doesn't make nurses and doctors work for free, right?

Right to Healthcare = Slavery for Healthcare workers.

Fight me.

god you're a faggot. you use words like "obligated" and "duty" as if doctors have to abide by them. they don't, you dumb fuck. is a baker obligated to feed someone who is hungry but doesn't have money to pay for some bread? no, of course not. same thing with doctors.

>I don't believe people deserve a right to
roads
electricity
internet
water treatment
society
law enforcement
health care

but hey, we all are "robbed by force" to pay for all these things through taxes. These are not voluntary. If you're afraid to say that you believe civilization isn't a right, then you are a realist.

so your saying no right to legal representation and no govt
what kind of justice system like fight to the death?
no millitary no borders ect?

Do you think I am a fan of the ACA? Go be edgy somewhere else. Also the ACA didnt cause healthcare costs to skyrocket regardless, they were doing that already.

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>They shouldn't, because I am not entitled to their services. You are arguing against yourself.
You're not entitled to anything, retard. You've just excluded yourself from anything made by others that you didn't pay for/ trade specifically.
Clean water, sewage, roads, police, intellectual property, education. And everything you've gained by using your access to those things.

They get paid, retard.

>You are not entitled to the s legal services of another person, you moron.
This is bullshit. As others have already pointed out, if one can’t afford the services of a lawyer, they can be allowed the services of a public attorney for free. You may not like it, but that is established law and has been for years.

you do realize that in other countries who pay for healthcare with taxes the demand becomes infinite because people don't have to personally pay for things anymore. how would people going to the doctor for stupid shit when they just need to wait 3 days help the colonies?

Gideon v Wainright says otherwise

Right to a lawyer=slavery for lawyers

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They make money off the people and the infrastructure, we get some of that money back to make society functional. That's capitalism, if you don't like it move to some 3rd world hell hole.

Ok but if you get sick you gotta suck it up and not use the hospitals