Oliver Stone

>names the Jew
>demonizes Trump
What is his endgame?

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Crashing the contrarian plane with no survivors. Kids lack the depth to follow along.

>What is his endgame?
help the CIA anyway he can

W. was a fucking great movie

Oliver Stone is pretty based, but once he made Snowden I started to have my suspicions. It was okay as a movie but I found it odd how he bought the Snowden story 100%. Do we really know if Snowden ever left the CIA? His leaks embarrassed the NSA, the agency CIA built its own sigint infrastructure so they wouldn't have to use the NSA. Also look at how Obama didn't really go after Assange or Snowden. Why?

I don't think Stone himself is CIA/DoD but I think he is somewhat connected. All big writers in Hollywood supposedly are, either through technical advisers or sometimes through occult groups, fraternal and otherwise.

his "untold history of the us" series was alright

I see it's another installation of the
>X is a kike/CIA/MKULTRA plant
series. Yes, the little brother of the two agencies decided to strategically cripple the dragnet capabilities of all global intelligence agencies and fuck up the US' political status on the world stand just to get back at their own rival. Do you realize that those revelations essentially altered the course of history?

how much did Snowden cripple things? it was disclosure not compromise as for Assange what did he release that actually caused any obvious damage? besides the arab spring...
if anything those leaks changed public perception of state power. or are are you suggesting China and Russia didn't already know most of the shit that got leaked?

Also with regards to Assange, I don't know what his deal is. With Snowden I think it isn't such a leap to say "he never really left the CIA" when he went to go work for the NSA via defense contractors.

>how much did Snowden cripple things? it was disclosure not compromise
I knew this would come up because I knew you wouldn't be talking like that if you knew what you were talking about.

In Pre-Snowden times, most traffic on the interwebs was unencrypted, because it was believed that
>1) dragnetting the entire internet is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE
>2) even if it weren't, the problem of storing it all would make sure everything's not being recorded
>3) you can trust the infrastructure/ISPs
Note: most emails providers had non-encrypted logins. I've been working in the industry since before it happened, and the revelations have had massive consequences. These changes range from changes basic threat modeling to protocols for certain meetings where no electronics are allowed in the room. Things that weren't even mentioned before are now evaluated and written down in the specs.

I know it's a way of dealing with the shock and fear to say
>oh yeah, we knew all about this
when in reality people used to joke about the guy who doesn't carry a cellphone as having "a few screws loose". I know because I was one of those people. People laughed when I told them ten years ago what Facebook was REALLY all about. They're not laughing now.

Assange is an enigma. He does have a point in that he has never released things that weren't true, so calling him a foreign agent is - I think - over the top.

Yes, it used to be seen as as conspiracy. Now the public knows to treat communications as non-private. Before Snowden, most people in the know had an idea that a system like this was in development both pre and post 9/11. "Echelon" and Five Eyes have been known long before Snowden. The difference is that it went from conspiracy theorists and government/industry people knowing that to the whole planet knowing about it.

>names the Jew
>demonizes Trump

Seems pretty consistent and obvious to me, brah.

The Assange story is kind of complicated. I feel like every person in his life, close to him and working with him on Wikileaks, is a potential threat to him. A two early wikileaks members have died recently in northern europe. Assange himself may be a true believer. Did you know in college he used to work on a US military funded research grant? and the grant got classified and he got kicked off the project he co-founded.

start the video around 7 minutes in to skip some of the small talk. the part about assange is from the start of the video to 11 minutes in. then he talks about anonymous from the perspective of the DoD
youtube.com/watch?v=TSR-b9yuTbM

No no no. That's false. Echelon and programs like it were presumed to process all calls in certain networks for keywords, but the all calls themselves were not supposed to be stored en masse. Storing SIGINT dumps was supposed to be physically and financially infeasible, forget about analyzing and indexing them. Even most industry guys thought it couldn't be done.

>The difference is that it went from conspiracy theorists and government/industry people knowing that to the whole planet knowing about it.
The degree to which most electronics were compromised was not known even to those groups. This is why the impact to the tech industry was so massive. It forced people to open up to a whole new line of thinking.

Yea okay, that makes sense. You should watch the video I linked. The first half hour is definitely worth watching. youtube.com/watch?v=TSR-b9yuTbM

Needless to say it's complicated. I'd say he was straight up radical, a true believer from the get-go.

I did not know that, although I'm not the least bit surprised either. Brilliance of his kind is often co-opted by military industrial complexes.

if you work in infosec you should watch the entire video. even though its a few years old its still as relevant as ever. the talk is like 4 or 5 separate stories/topics and they're all interesting.

I'll check that out, DEFCON presentations are very rarely a waste of time. Having said that, here's the worst DEFCON presentation of all time (I think)
>youtube.com/watch?v=Kaat-T71N3A
You can listen to/watch it at 1.75x and you'll still get bored.

the presentation i linked was a keynote (or unofficial keynote) it was probably one of the best of the year. oliver stone actually showed up at DEFCON one year I think it was after the Snowden leaks but before he made the movie.

The topic seems interesting, I'll definitely watch it.

Assange is a information anarchist. He wants total freedom of information that is dangerous to be exposed for the sake of truth