Dissapointed in females, but not because i think they are bitches

You call yourself more intelligent and call me a fag, but what you dont get is you act the way i wish more girls would be, that's was far from passive the post you wrote there. You dislike what i say, then stick it to me, dont go complain to your bf(or whatever alternative of that). You go and find yourself a man that can really appreciate that, and dont forget that men acting butthurt when you outsmart them is them acknowledging that you did and they feel super dumb in the process.

That's a lot of assuming and projecting you are doing there. Not surprised of course. Like I said, literal toddlers.

tl;dr You're still a fag.

Don't worry OP, I can tell when I make people feel dumb and they react accordingly when they feel threatened. People are really easy to read and sadly, very predictable at this point. Just making sure you know there are girls like us out there and you're being very narrow-minded to assume otherwise. We're all just dumb people who think we are better than everyone else at something. Naturally, some of us actually are in some cases.

You see nice enough, just a little ignorant. Hope you find someone just as nice!

Most my interests came from social interactions, so yes, partly from men which showed them to me as I don't tend to have much female friends. But it's like showing a kid how to use a tool so it can use it itself and create something itself. Someone for example showed me TOS and PK Dick as I was just learning english. I liked it and evolved my taste and lead me to other topics. The more important a person is the easier it is to get into a subject.

You're not sexist, you're just a realist on topics of sexual dimorphism. But honestly, beeing here as a woman came mostly from me beeing what you would call a basement dweller and looser before I got my shit together. If you show your gf /diy/ or /his/ she will prolly end up on Jow Forums as well and ecome like me. It's the whole "teach a man how to fish" thing.

Get a honest and good gril. Inspire her on topics you like and praise her for what her hobbies are. Most young people simply don't have any, but that chages with age. I'm nearly 30, and haven't gotten into beeing serious till 25. Once the biological clock starts ticking after puberty most people, men and women, will get passionate about things in life. You should look for Jow Forums girls, they tend to be more focused. But keep in mind that beeing the greatest mother and wife a woman can be, might be her passion. Which, if taken seriously is hard work with many sacrifices. A woman which works on staying fit physically as well as mentally , sewing and cooking from scratch, reading book after book about early childhhod education for best results for her family is what you prolly would want. You are looking for a woman with a true goal in life, there are many of them. You just need one with a similar goal to yours. Same goal, different pathways. You beeing the man, she beeing the woman.

>People are really easy to read and sadly, very predictable at this point.
It's always amusing seeing pubertal wannabe intelectuals. Good ol' times kek. You'll cringe once you'r out of it.

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>can't even quote properly
>Jow Forums-tier image

Embarrassing desu

>thot get's upset that she has been discovered
>uses Jow Forums this and that
Very predictable at this point.

>i'm a child and want my mommy and no responsibilities

I predict a bright future for you.

What you find depends on where you look.

If all you are finding are passive unambitious women, then look elsewhere. Look among businesswomen, lawyers, doctors - women with career aspirations and goals

/thread

You seem pleasantly aggressive and combative, which is hot af, but most women are boring, overly-passive retards. Forgive me for assuming the next bitch I talk to is as retarded as the last one.

why not just go gay, you bottom bitch

You must face the fact that you are a gay bottom.

Sorry, thems the breaks in life.

Well all I'll say is despite dealing with retards like this
on this website daily and IRL when I find someone to actually have a serious conversation with, I don't assume all people are like that. Just take it by individual basis. If they act like a retard, they are probably a retard unless they give you reason to think otherwise. Don't just assume without talking to someone first though. You know what they say about assuming. and no, I won't forgive you! Now go and actually make an effort to seek out non-retards. We all have to work hard to get what we want, you're not special. Unless you are, but probably not otherwise you wouldn't be here.

I‘m a girl that is like the girls you would want. Every guy ever only has issues with it. At firdt they think it‘s interesting, they like the novelty. Then they start to get competitive, then they try to „break me“ and push me back into the submissive role, then they get tired of it.
Idk, you would probably be/do the same. Guys think they want a girl like that but they actually don‘t. Traditional gender roles are in place for a reason. Don’t mess with it.

This is one gigantic fallacy

You wouldn't accept, "tradition tho," in any other context:

"women shouldn't vote because tradition tho"
"black people should be slaves because tradition tho"
"indulgences are okay because tradition tho"
"we need to kill 8 trillion animals every hour and die from heart disease because tradition tho"

I know you're just LARPing as a femanon, but don't post this kind of stuff on Jow Forums

Someone might take you seriously.

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The difference is that, other than slavery or mass murder, it‘s not a tradition, it‘s biology - tho

I'm in the same boat, I just gave up. I don't want some homemaker or family shit, I don't want children either. I just focus on studies, hobbies and friends and am quite happy with that. I think staying single is healthier for me than settling for someone whose fundamental characteristics repulse me, making me more bitter with every day passing. If women are just not made for me or vice versa I have to live with it.

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I like how this turned into male vs female stereotypes
it honestly gave me some hope, seeing you guys/gals talk about your issues with the oposite gender.
One has to keep searching, it's just nice to be reminded that there's a fit for you if you look long enough

The alternative is Kathy Newman, just so you now.

Should I make an identical post with "biology tho"?

maybe if you went to your local CC and took an into to Philo course you'd leave your mother's basement, learn a thing or two and possibly get socialized instead of living off NEET bux and jerking it to 2D wayafoos

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>there's a fit for you if you look long enough

Probably.

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>Getting kids and a loving family is the greatest goal there is for women
I know feminists will trash this but the irony is that if you spend time with new mothers, they'll actually say the same thing. Just think about it (if you've ever spent time in those groups). They actually say that stuff themselves.

"We need to import vegetables and fruits from across the globe because I don't eat meat tho"

Because it's true. We can tell woman that beeing a career whore and getting the best educatioin out there is the way to go, but we can't undo millenia of evolution. Deep inside even the edgiest feminists know this, which is why they have to keep reminding themselves about their anti-natalist propaganda. Don't think they do it to "educate" someone else, they just need to keep the facade up till their clock is gone. Afterwhich they become miserable creatures, looking for salvation in cat horting and trash talking the natural way of life out of regret.

It's really sad, seeing that most of them have just been lied to and didn't know how to get back on track. No money or success can replace a child.

>career whore
Describes my current workplace so well and I don't want it any other way tbqh.

Protip to lads: don't be in a relationship when entering the corporate would. Also keep a box of condoms in your drawer. Also, late hour office is actually safer than going home together, even when using cabs, uber, etc.

Also, also, remember to turn off the map in snapchat. It royally fucked me over, twice.

that happens anyway

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That's kinda my fear.

OP, you're the freak here. You're a failed male. Men aren't men to be submissive and serve females. Women like to be protected and lead, nothing wrong with that.

Actually the area in your brain that makes you aroused when in a submissive role is that of a female. So your brain is feminized.

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My ex was a tryhard dom and it was so unbelievably fucking annoying. I mean dom in general, not just bed. Impossible to take her seriously, her physical frame is 1/3 that of mine. I did this shit for almost 2 years before breaking up. I’m currently seeing a very submissive chick and it feels so much more natural.

This whole dom sexy women is such a meme outside of porn. Not the same irl at all.

Homosexual.

You kind of just discribed my sister. Who ever marries her won't need to decide a single thing in their lives, specially since she won't let them kek, your perfect woman is out there user, don't give up on searching. Or just turn gay.

>sumbmissive male

Get a vasectomy

>Most of them are just shittesting till a super chad comes around to become a pussy cat.

What?

So, your husband are the dominant one in the relationship?

You got quite a ego

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Wtf, that's not true at all. I'm a 22 yo girl and while I hope to have a family in the future I'm career-oriented and driven, not afraid to take risks or be independent. And I'm not even close to the only one of my kind, nor are we the minority of women. Get off your high horse and find someone better suited to you

Leave where you live
>What is sociology....
>Change your atmosphere

>larping this hard

I seem to attract the kind of women like that. I find them great and they spark something in me, and they like me back. They're incredibly smart, goal oriented and seem to be more in check of their feelings then me. I found that they often make the first or second move if they like you.
But idk, maybe you're looking for a mom type of gf or have the wrong ideas about how dominant women behave.

>I'm a mentally ill basketcase who should probably never have a family anyway.
Well you got one thing right.

Not sure what would be that unrealistic about my posts. Welcome to the 21th century, Jow Forums is a pink board.

Yes. Don't change a running system. Trad genderroles worked for a reason for millenia.

Most women are immature and infantile in many ways, and are told that's ok by society. Even with all the opportunities in the world, they wouldn't amount to anything because there's no pressure for them to do that.

It's not just biology, society shapes the way biology is expressed. The idea of the nuclear family itself, makes it so women will not be particularly likely to cultivate value because it's literally just the man and the woman - if the woman works then what's the point of the man at all? They don't really have to compete for men on anything but looks because they have to do the domestic work, raise kids, etc. Asking that PLUS a job is a little much. It's your fault for not realizing how much work that sort of life is. It's not HARD (intellectual) work, but it's work.

That said, in the modern day women don't need a man financially, but the social norms from traditional culture persist, and the narrative of what each gender needs in life is still there. The socialization and family structure is still there. You can't change it, or at least, not quickly. It's extremely deeply ingrained into our cultural consciousness of what it means to be masculine, and feminine. Of what a "good family" looks like. How courting works, etc. That's why going against it just feels wrong. So while you might like the idea of a strong, driven women, keep in mind that there's quite literally no reason for one to exist in this society. The number of people driven internally to cultivate value in themselves is very low - most require some sort of incentive or motivation.

>some peaceful place and make him food and clean for him every day
Well get used to it, that's what western society has been like for a very long time. Again, I'm not claiming "it's biology" like a lot of retards here. It's not completely biology. But it may as well be for your purposes because socialization shapes behavior just as strongly as biology does.

Actually its 70-80% nature and 20-30% nurture (multiple twin studies), while we still can't positively change the later (which would require big scale social engeneering "brave new world" style without biological parents expressing their nurture). So considering that nurture is mainly formed through nature (eg biological parents) we can just as well say it's nature completely.

I would also say that even today women need a man, it only seems otherwise due to the welfare state beeing their husband in many cases or those women simply not reproducing. A woman which wants kids without beeing a leech has to trade her womb for provisions (man gets kids, woman gets provided uring a time in which she couldn't provide for herself).

Further a good family should be defined by what is best for the offspring, which is simply at least a core family (mother AND father) or even better a multigenerational household to actually learn proper social interactions, which so many today are lacking due to single motherhood. Again, the biological necessity is the base of what is considered good. It's not "social", as sociaty itself is just the result of bio-envoiremental necessities, not the other way around.

Considering all this OP would be much more happy matching ones wishes and goals to the hard reality instead of dreaming of some parallel universe full of hermaphroditic femdoms ingrained through porn.

>Actually its 70-80% nature and 20-30% nurture
What exactly, is? The way families are structured or society is structured is far from biological at all, it's quite varied across different cultures. Where I come from, one large society is matrilineal/local; also certain cases, they practice visiting marriage, where the woman sees the man on her own terms, they hang out, fuck, etc. but the kid belongs to her clan, and is raised by her brothers. It's a patriarchal society still, but what women seek is definitely not the same. I just bring this up because these things aren't at all universal. There's universals, like women needing protection in some way, but sexual strategy isn't

> A woman which wants kids without beeing a leech has to trade her womb for provisions
Yes, if we're assuming a nuclear family. In an extended family, she has her clan to take care of her. In plenty of societies (albeit very few are agricultural), this is the case. Remember, ideas of private property themselves are not universal either. Group altruism is a thing.

>Further a good family should be defined by what is best for the offspring,
Fully agreed, and single motherhood is indeed horrible. Again, I didn't mean women don't "need" a man. I just meant in terms of finances.

>It's not "social", as sociaty itself is just the result of bio-envoiremental necessities
Sure, I even agreed with you already. I said "society shapes the way biology is expressed". Society itself arises from biology, but also from environment, history, etc. and there's no one unique "best society". I'm not at all arguing that we should throw our society away though. I was really just making a rather pedantic point about biology - that much of our ideas come from socialization.

>OP would be much more happy matching ones wishes and goals to the hard reality instead of dreaming of some parallel universe full of hermaphroditic femdoms ingrained through porn.
This is exactly what I suggested.

It blows my mind that women think they're entitled to other people's taxpayer money because they decide to have a kid, possibly several kids.

I can't fathom how their brain works.

I don't think I saved it but there was this guy's post who did dating coaching for women and they asked him at what point the man should start paying for everything

not if, but when, and when he started to explain why it's unreasonable they couldn't fathom it

of course women needing a dating coach are very likely damaged or it could've been just made up but case in point

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It's a transaction. The woman provides the unique ability for his seed to grow into a human. The man pays through safety and provision for that woman so his kid can get born and raised. Ideally this transaction is made by a young fertile woman and an older (therefore more financially secure male). The woman trades her fertility (beauty) throughout her peak for the mans rising financial gains, the man on the otherhand get's (ideally) the monopoly on her reproductional rights for children and binds himself to care for her even once that fertility window closes. It's a lifetime package for most efficient use of both. In most non-reproduction oriented relationships the woman tends to work for her own income. Only case where your argument is valid is through welfare, which I am strongly opposed too.

NEED HELP WITH RELATIONSHIP/SOCIAL ISSUE
Ok so backstory: I was in a 1 year relationship with this girl, we truly loved each other. Well, she broke up with me around 6 months ago. She broke contact with me, started ignoring me completely after the break-up, even went a far as block me on all social media, even though i wasn't messaging her.
Fast forward two weeks ago, she started to talk to me again, she keeps referencing our past relationship, she keeps laughing at my jokes and shit.
Tomorrow is the birthday party of a mutual friend(girl) of ours. We were both invited, the thing is that she will be going with a friend of mine(also girl) but i already talked with this girl to go together because we didn't know anybody else who was going there.
Now what should I do, should i go to the
party? How should I act towards her?
>TL,DR a friend of my ex and I, my ex and me where invited to this party where we only know the birthday girl and I don't know if I should go, and what the intentions of my ex are
I'm just confused

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Women are strong and can make their own money in 2018, fuck off with your leeching, this isn't a buffet.

Eh, my gf and I met as grad students (I'm a mathematician, she's an engineer). She just graduated (works nearby) and happily pays for everything, as I ended up broke paying for my parents' medical bills (serious stuff). Even before that, we split and shared things without issue. Neither of us are very rich.

While we do argue, it's never anything major. We have different interests but both like to talk philosophy, math, history, etc. and we've picked up some interested of each others's (history and linguistics for me, tabletop RPGs for her). Granted she's a little less ambitious than I am career-wise, but that's more of an upbringing thing - she just wants a quiet life and time for her hobbies and family, and she's happy with a high-paying, stable job doing what she seems to like (I don't have that luxury). That said, I don't see why having your ambition be "read tons of books and learn everything you can" isn't legit.

So we're both pretty laid-back people (wouldn't call either of us "alpha"), but we're driven for certain things. It's not really that rare desu, I know lots of other couples like this at our school. Make something of yourself and you'll find people like you.

>some anti-natal feminist slogan
I just explained to you why no normal child-wanting woman can provide for herself any why it's fair to both when for oproviding the womb and shitting out your offspring through a two-finger wide hole the man actually sees that that woman is adequatly nurished and sheltered.

But I guess, you're one of those muh artificial wombs MGTOWs lol. Enjou the death of your bloodline to safe some shekels like a good goy.

oh sorry meant to start a new thread

>why no normal child-wanting woman can provide for herself
Not who you're responding to, but this isn't the case. if a couple has only 1 or 2 kids, the woman can still have a career especially if they share the burden of raising the kids. Yes, the man should understand the sacrifice the woman is making, but that doesn't mean that there's a transaction - that would seem to imply that only the man benefits from having a child ("bloodline" lel) and that the woman needs to trade something for her sacrifice.

You realize that achieving "adequate nourishment and shelter" is trivial for a person who has worked and has money, in a first-world country right?

So don't get children before you can provide for yourself. Seriously, what's the matter with people.

Also, you're using straw mans like crazy.

Sure, as I said, most non-repro oriented will work similarly, the same would obviously apply to those with a closed family planning, provided that they aren't homeschooling - although I would still say that doing the household for 4 people and cooking fresh daily is at least a good part-time job for which a non-married person would need to pay much more than what is usually seen as a housewifes "pocket money". This obviously also doesn't apply to pizza/ spaghetti moms living in filth watching some trash TV through the day. But you get the idea.

But, yes, of course the man, unable to reproduce himself, gains biological imortality from getting offspring. This is the whole point of existance desu senpai.

It also isn't trivial for a pregnant woman which wouldn't be able to get roastiebucks. Not sure if it's the overall youth or inexperince of Jow Forums but working in your third trimester or even a year after your birth full time isn't something you would want the mother of your children to do (just think of the stress levels epigenetically given on onto your child through the placenta and mothermilk).

>work till you're barely fertile to bring tard kisd onto this world so the other person giving on his gens doesn't need to give anything for his own children
>this is actually what he believes
Good lord, why do children comment on things like family planning.

The household, you imbecile.

>that doing the household for 4 people and cooking fresh daily
Both people can work just fine actually, and they can share this responsibility. Or the man can stay at home. It's functionally equivalent, just do what's best for the family and children.
OR: Live with your one set of parents so they help out (which they'd love to, in any reasonable culture), that's much better in all ways.

> course the man, unable to reproduce himself, gains biological imortality from getting offspring.
And the woman doesn't? keyword in my post was "only the man". women want families and offspring just like men. there doesn't need to be a transaction at all, in a time where men don't have all the resources. I'm in agreement with how the traditional system worked and it worked well, but it's not the only thing that can work today.

> working in your third trimester or even a year after your birth full time
Who said anything about this? Take some time off and used some saved up cash. You shouldn't be working at all by the time of the third trimester. Again, I'm talking about educated people with high-paying jobs, not those living from check to check. It's not an issue at all.

>And the woman doesn't?
The woman pays through her bodily functions. Walking 9 months with an xenomorph and pushing it through your peehole is actual hard labour.

>Take some time off and used some saved up cash.
Why should a woman already paying through her body stull pay through actual money? Do you consider the tools taken by a pregnancy to be less than paying like 100€ for your wife to be able to buy some books and cosmetics while you're working from your pay? Even still saving your taxes and actual money you would need to pay for washers, delivers services and stuff? Just an reminder that you save like 500€ monthly alone through getting married on taxes, which is more than enough to finance a stay-at home wife with pocket money and still saving further through her services.

I just don't understand how some of you think just because a pregnant woman isn't throwing in money, she isn't bringing actual WORTH into the relationship. Most couples I know living the trad roles, actually safe money bucketwise because the woman does all the expansive stuff much more economically and doesn't ask for nearly as much "pay" as some external would.

>A woman who shapes her own value and stands on her own two feet like a human being is "competing"
>Being an adult, having a job, paying for your own shit and being your own person are things only men can do, women should stay at home in the kitchen

What a sad fucking thread. When did RedPillWomen infect this board?

And before you start, I know plenty of women who do not aspire to this, and looking down on them is just silly. I'm a mid 20's guy and most women I meet don't want kids yet, even those the same age as me. We do not live in times where it's easy for a man to find a job that can support an entire family, all by himself. We also have enough problems in the world without needing to bring more kids into broken families and unsatisfying relationships. If you want to use biology as your argument, you should know that monogamy is not really wired into us and men are designed to basically fuck and chuck, not stick around and finance a family.

Just a reminder what a working man saves through a housewife:
Getting your shit washed and ironed professionally weekly: 60€ (240€/month)
Fast and Ready made food plus snacks: 150€ a week (600€/month)
Getting your home clean through a maid 5h/week: 50€ (200€/ month)
Taxes 500€/month
You pay like 1540€/month for living expanses in europoor land if you would let others do all your shit
You pay thanks to taxes 0-100€ depending how much pocket money you want to give your wife in those cases I know, and get additional blowjobs free on top of that. This isn't even considering children and their care through private kindergardens if you wouldn't have a wife at home.

So again, where in this equation is a housewife leeching off? Most of those I know literally work for free because their husbands WANT it that way lol.

>Walking 9 months with an xenomorph and pushing it through your peehole is actual hard labour.
You didn't read. I said, the woman also has biological immortality too. It's not her giving something up for the man necessarily, she can want the kid on her own. A woman has the power to bring life into the world, and she can choose to do so for whatever reason. If she can't support herself then yeah, she needs a man to work during this time. If she can, then this isn't needed. A couple can and should make decisions about who works and when, based on their needs, and that's it. I don't understand why you don't get this.

> Why should a woman already paying through her body stull pay through actual money?
> I just don't understand how some of you think just because a pregnant woman isn't throwing in money, she isn't bringing actual WORTH into the relationship.
What? I never claimed such a thing. Money is property of the family as a whole, not of either individual. There is no difference between a woman supporting a family and a man doing the same - besides a couple of years of lost income. Yeah if the man is otherwise working, sure he should continue. If he's not (and not needed to), no problem. If he can and wants to take a break too during this time, go for it. Just depends on finances.

> . Most couples I know living the trad roles
Trad western maybe. You save even more money if you live in a multi-generational family so you don't need to pay anyone at all. And there's plenty of savings to go around to support her when she's pregnant.
And again, if you are wealthy enough you don't need any of this. You can take a couple years off, even both of you, without too much issue.

> We do not live in times where it's easy for a man to find a job that can support an entire family
Yeah so here's the assumption. Maybe in your shithole. In a reasonable place, anybody highly educated should be able to support a family on their own and more.

kek why dont you go cook for your family and care for your children instead of posting here

>And again, if you are wealthy enough you don't need any of this. You can take a couple years off, even both of you, without too much issue.
Not really, if you're not wealthy due to inheritance. Most if not all jobs need you to stay in your working position to know the newest processes, especially those highly educated need to keep on educating themselves to keep up. No one wants to take you if you haven't been working in your field of experience for like years and don't know shit about what'S going on currently kek

> having expensive external services is the only alternate to a housewife
The real state of western society, lmao

Both my and my gf cook and share the housework. We never eat out (because we prefer our traditional fare). We both work. When we have our kid, she'll stop working for a time, and I'll probably work part-time. Her parents will come and live with us, or we'll send the kid to my parents - probably we'll alternate these arrangements. I'd honestly be totally fine staying at home if I didn't enjoy my job, as it's far more efficient for her to work than me, if we had to choose.

This whole time she's earning almost 3x my income, and we'll wait till we're more settled in our careers - we'll have more than enough for this, and sending the kids to private schools, etc. Don't really see the issue here.

Be less of a pleb maybe. Staying caught up isn't hard at all while pregnant, and you can take maternity leave, plus some more time off. Myself and the SO are both literally PhDs, and we're having no issues in that regard. Anyways your point is tangential - there are many people for which the economic situation isn't the same as what you're claiming.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Yes, a housewife is more economically efficient than a house-husband due to pregnancy taking away 1 or 2 years. Yes, it's the more optimal arrangement for many people. But that doesn't mean it's somehow better in all cases.

Like 99% of men do that shit themselves, come the fuck on. Also, you lose 50% of your shit when she divorces you after cheating on you.

So your whole argument is that you can share the work. Great. Never said that can't be done. My point was mainly against those claiming that beeing a housewife is leeching and further my point was that it is the most economic choice as you both will only get mediocre results, while otherwise both of you could specialise on your respective tasks for maximal gains.

And yes, if you want to give someones work a expanse number you need to check how much it would cost would someone else do it. Sure, you can do it yourself, but if you're an actual professional your time is worth more than the 10€/h a maid or washer gets, so it's still more economic than wasting your few free hours. Family on the other hand will do it for free.

Do you live on your own? Housework is trivial to do yourself. Cooking well isn't easy, but you can do it together. Housewives are from the era where housework actually took a ton of time. They are literally leeches today, unless you can't afford modern appliances.

99% of males of Jow Forums live between piss bottles and moms tupper wear meals or are actually worth more than to waste their freetime doing maid work. Although you might be right on the blowjob stuff. A man with a housewife gets it all cheaper, better and has even more free time. It'S like living with a sexy step mom.

We can afford it, but don't want to depend on the electrojew. The prolly have less electronic than the mid-century housewife would have. We taken the time, it'S around 4-5 hours daily of actual work, depending on what's on the list.

Multiply this time with your salary. That's what your time is worth. Is it cheaper or more expansive to let a spouse do it? For most non-poorfucks it will be far cheaper to let it be done.

>anybody highly educated should be able to support a family on their own and more
Delusional.

>shithole
I live in America, the country where you get raped in the ass with student loan debt trying to finance a "high education" just so you can use your degree to become a manager at the local big box store because your career isn't turning out the way you wanted.

There is a reason why I said men and you said males.

>against those claiming that beeing a housewife is leeching
I made it clear I wasn't the guy you were responding to. I took offence to your assertion that it has to be seen as some sort of transaction, and that a housewife is somehow always the most efficient setup.

>the most economic choice as you both will only get mediocre results
You can still specialize your tasks lmao - why do ALL housework activities need to be lumped together? I could cook, she can clean, etc. Currently:
- the house is clean
- we eat delicious, traditional food every day
What's the issue? I don't see any possible increases that would happen, if one of us were to stop working. So in fact, the optimal situation for us, is in fact to both work. Your argument is an assertion without any real proof - that splitting duties is somehow non-optimal. And in any case, in my case the most economic choice is for me to stay home, since I earn less. Doesn't have to be the woman at home, even if you have to choose.

> so it's still more economic than wasting your few free hours.
since when does washing clothes take time? and cleaning the house isn't a full time job either holy shit.

>I live in America, the country where you get raped in the ass with student loan debt trying to finance a "high education" just so you can use your degree to become a manager at the local big box store because your career isn't turning out the way you wanted.
So yes, a shithole. And by highly educated, I meant highly educated in a useful field. My friends who work in software in the states seem to be doing just fine, and half of them are borderline retards.

> Delusional
If a man can provide financially, a woman also can. If you can't live on a single-income in America, that's your guys' problem.

> marrying someone who can't even make as much as a fucking maidservant
> not using modern luxuries
shit taste on both counts

>A man with a housewife gets it all cheaper, better and has even more free time
true, if only that's what you're looking for in a partner then it's certainly ideal.

>why do ALL housework activities need to be lumped together
Timing. While X is beeing washed, Y can be done, so that you can follow up with Z and put away X afterwards to be ready with it all in a far smaller time window than as if you would break to tasks up. That's working efficiently. Most household tasks just need time (washing machine, drying, soaking of dishes, etc) which means that's a great opportunity to do shit like ironing, vacuuming etc instead of doing parts after work and not beeing able to completel yrelax once you're home.

>since when does washing clothes take time?
Washing away stains in cold water with hand for a full load of shit, easily an hour of work, washing (gets done automatically), hanging out the wet stuff as wll, ironing for a full load of for example dress shirts takes around 45minutes. 2h without the waiting period. Sure you could just not pre-wash or irone like most plebs, but with a real job you can't work in such cloths.

>cleaning the house isn't a full time job either holy shit.
If you, like most people, don't actually clean, sure it doesn't take time. I mean, honestly, most of you people prolly don't even understand what gets done by a good housewife because you'Re used to (at best) a student life with one pair of dishes and cleaning, meaning vacuuming once a week lol. No wonder you people think it's no work at all.

The good thing about a marriage and housewife is that that whole deal is only the cherry on top additionally to a human you can spend the rest of your life happily. Just don't pick trash people without values.

>Timing
And why can't this be delegated among 2 people just as, or more efficiently? And I think you exaggerate how much time this stuff takes.

>Washing away stains in cold water with hand
how often does that happen? ironing does take time but per week it's pretty manageable.

> a student life with one pair of dishes and cleaning
The fuck? you realize students once lived with their parents right? the "you don't understand" argument is ridiculous. yeah cleaning takes some time, but it''s easily doable even with both people working. Again, I'm not claiming that housewives are leeches. Rather, it's not always the most efficient setup. You didn't respond to my main point in that post at all, and rather just picked on the housework stuff.

so, glorified servant that you also have sex with. In my book, being a talent-less, ambition-less leech disqualifies them from having values. quite literally prostitute-tier.

No, that's just how long that stuff takes. Ever tried getting red stains out of your dress shirt? Gallic soap and cold water plush brushing. Yellow sweet stains? Vinegar plush brushing and waiting. Pen strikes? Alkohol and brushing, plus repeat. Stuff takes time if you want to get it done professionaly. Ironing? Dress shirt takes about 4-5 min a piece plus folding autistically. It all ads up. Just throwing your filthy stack into the washing machine and afterwards into the dryer isn't shit compared with this.

And yeah, if you want to do daily afterwards what could have been done before so you both have time for yourself, sure. But it doesn't get more economic or housewifery wouldn't be the default mode for millenia.

But I don't see an point in arguing further when you obviously don't even understand what I am talking about. You want a specific lifestyle and try to make it look better or just as good as one which has worked for like always and still does. Just do your thing and soon enough you will realise that breaking it all up fairly isn't necessary the most comfy option. But if this kind of equality is worth it for you, sure. ENjoy.

>beeing a loving wife and mother doing everything out of love for free is beeing a leech and prostitute
I hope one day you find someone to be happy with, instead of spreading your saltyness. Because you can't spoil the happiness of others with your used up buzzwords, you only show your own misery.

You have zero perspective.

>these dudes make money that means everyone else can make money too

> Ever tried getting red stains out of your dress shirt?
Maybe you're a slob, but I hardly ever get stains on my good clothes. If so, let a professional do it.

> And yeah, if you want to do daily afterwards what could have been done before so you both have time for yourself, sure.
Ok, so can we agree that this is pretty much just evaluating how much the wife's time is worth? Because for myself+gf, we'd be making a net positive even if we hired a maid every day and both worked. Having both of us work is enjoyable for us both, and brings in a ton of money than otherwise. And yet again, I have to remind you, the wife staying home is really less efficient, if she makes more.

> But it doesn't get more economic or housewifery wouldn't be the default mode for millenia.
It's the default for nuclear families, yes. For the upper class in many societies, women didn't do housework at all. I'm not implying that it's bad, economically to have a housewife. Rather, it depends on the individual couple's finances. Do you agree?

> You want a specific lifestyle and try to make it look better
kek no, I just pick my lifestyle based on what works economically. it IS for my case, better than having my gf stay at home, and this has been shown quite clearly. I never said we "break things fairly" - if anything I'm the leech, we just split things up reasonably, depending on the needs. I'm not trying to make anything look better, and I'm not dissing housewives. In fact, you are certainly implying that there's something "wrong" with my lifestyle without proof or argument. What exactly, isn't "comfy" about it? Would having my gf stay at home make it more comfy? I can see no way that this is the case.

Nah, I just have no empathy for people who have to live a certain way due to their finances, but then claim that this lifestyle is somehow universally applicable and optimal for everyone else.

It's an even more retarded argument than the naturalistic fallacy, for women to be housewives. Again, women being housewives is often the most optimal thing, and there's nothing wrong with it. But it's by no means always the best arrangement.

a prostitute and her customer are happy together, cool

just go meet some girls from university.
i've me dozens of women in calculus from the geology courses, I have met a couple of women from mathematics, so on, and so forth. hell, my calculus teacher is a twenty seven year old woman, and she's also very beautiful.
you're probably just looking in the wrong places. strong, ambitious women are everywhere. it's just as hard for them to find truly ambitious men as it is for us to find them, seeing as most men have wishes of greatness, and not goals of greatness.

>If so, let a professional do it.
kek
> having expensive external services is the only alternate to a housewife

>Ok, so can we agree that this is pretty much just evaluating how much the wife's time is worth?
Yes, that what this all was about. Personally for me, that would be as well very much the case.

>For the upper class in many societies, women didn't do housework at all.
Sure, but no aristocrat is shittposting on Jow Forums about how to find a femdom gf, so I guess it's not that relevant here.

>Would having my gf stay at home make it more comfy? I can see no way that this is the case.

>come home to the smell of home made dinner
>house is clean
>you can instantly put your work away and relax for the rest of the evening instead of doing homework
>get entertained by your wife which had enough time for herself to be glad to see you
>she can embrace her femininity, you can embrace your masculinity through natural outlets

If you can't see the benefit for both coming home to dinner, a neck massage and a blowjob instead of washing the dishes and vacuuming after work, I can't help you. But each to thir own.

>> having expensive external services is the only alternate to a housewife
if your wife makes more than said service, you might as well if you care about your time that much.

>Yes, that what this all was about. Personally for me, that would be as well very much the case.
Totally fair then. In your case, a housewife is both optimal and fulfilling, and that's great.

> so I guess it's not that relevant here.
fair, but I was just talking more generally - that a housewife isn't really the universal optimal.

>come home to the smell of home made dinner
I prefer making meals with her. We're both foodies.
>house is clean
>you can instantly put your work away and relax
been addressed before. you can do the chores or pay for them. either way not too big of an issue for me.
>get entertained by your wife which had enough time for herself to be glad to see you
My favorite part of the day is talking about work with my gf. "entertainment"? we talk or watch a movie. the fact that we earn plenty of money also ensures that we can travel when/if we want, and afford pretty much anything we'd like. Again to each his own, but I find an intellectual and economic equal more fulfilling of a partner than a wife who's been doing nothing intellectual all day.
>embrace her femininity, you can embrace your masculinity through natural outlets
you can have these things without the specific economic roles

If the choice was a blowjob+massage vs doing work, it's obvious. But there's more factors than just that. For me, I get more money (plenty to hire help if we really wanted, to not waste time with chores - and we'd still have more), a partner I can actually respect and who I know will help raise my children as intellectual with a deep understanding of religion and tradition, and financial safety. And honestly, it's not just about me. My gf has goals and talents too, and she has all the right to pursue these as she'd like. I'll be enjoying the ez money and blowjobs in the meantime :)

>goals of greatness.
and women have delusions of greatness.