Photos and Polygraphs

Last Wednesday my husband sent me a picture of his current situation: in bed in his hotel watching TV. Upon closer inspection I noticed what appeared to be a purse on the desk. When I asked him what it was, he turned on the light and took another picture. The new picture was clearly his backpack, but it didn't resemble the first and I accused him of staging the second picture. Also, in the second picture there appears to be what looks like a woman's dress hanging on the back of a chair. He claims its his shorts folded on the hanger and a shirt over the chair.
I wasn't sure about the dress/shorts but I felt very sure the purse was a purse, or a least not a backpack.
But he was adamant.

So last week I posted my conundrum on reddit and several people weighed in and they all agreed it was in fact a purse. The dress wasn't quite as definitive.
So at this point I was sure he was cheating. I was an emotional wreck and our marriage was starting to fall apart.

He was so adamant that it's his backpack reflecting off the chrome chair, TV, camera flash, and the reflectors on the actual backpack causing it to look like a purse. So to prove this he offered last Friday to take a polygraph. He's never offered to do this before and neither one of us have ever taken one.
I told him to do it and that if he passed I'd accept the results but if he failed I'd know he was cheating and a divorce wasn't off the table, although I told him if he just told me the truth and came clean we could find a way to work thru it.

He took the polygraph yesterday and the results are in. He passed.

I'm trying to accept the results but I keep looking at the purse picture and I just can't see a backpack.

Which brings me here. This is my first ever post on Jow Forums, but I'm desperate.

So my question: is there any possibility at all that the purse in question is a backpack or did he beat the polygraph?

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Second, possibly staged, picture:

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You need help. You sound fucking insane

Polygraph results

The other two questions are not relevant to this, that's why I blocked them out.

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It's the same shape, it's a backpack. Your husband cares so much about your marriage he dealt with all your bullshit and accusations and even took a polygraph which have ridiculous accuracy. You need to drop this shit, apologize and suck his dick every night for a month for everything you put him through.

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That looks more like a man's shirt than a dress.

Doesnt matter what happens now, your marriage has already been destroyed.

You sound crazy and I feel sorry for your husband. You should be happy he snapped a pic and sent it to you in the first place. Nothing will destroy a relationship quicker than the gears in your head just grinding away in a bad way. Unless you get this under control, I think it good that both of you end the relationship. It isn't fair to him or you.

He has similar ideas

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whether or not he is cheating on you or not, you shouldn’t be too skeptical, because your reaction will have either one of two outcomes: one is that he loses trust and faith in you and your marriage if he isn’t cheating, or that he tries to hide his cheating, if he is cheating.

I have reason to be suspicious. Just so everyone knows I'm not crazy I'll unblock the other 2 questions.

Not "did you have sex with this girl" but "did you initiate it."

Not "have you had sex with anyone besides your wife" but "have you had sex with anyone YOUR WIFE DOESN'T ALREADY KNOW ABOUT, during the duration of THIS JOB"

we've been married a long time, and sluts love him and are constantly trying to fuck him and rape him. The Teresa in question woke him up jacking him off (my bothers ex girlfriend, that's how she had access to him sleeping). So he's working on it. I can deal with the sex, just not the lying. Sometimes I even let him fuck other girls, (only Japanese girls and only in Japan) but still, I'm s reasonable wife.

I still think it's a purse, I mean look at it, you can see the flower pattern.

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yeah, but aren’t you a little too paranoid about this? you even went so far as to get him to take a fucking polygraph test. he may or may not be cheating, but you should wait for easy opportunities to try and catch him, but not like this where you’re being too aggressive and honestly, a bitch of a wife. it’s like you’re really insecure about your relationship. do you even trust him? it’s probably better to proceed with his kinky bondage anal fuck to win his trust back

who's Teresa?
can we see her photo?

He sent me a picture of a woman's purse on his hotel desk! I figured this was an easy opportunity. And yes, I am paranoid because I thought we had made a lot of progress with his cheating problem, if it's still going on I want to know.
I do everything to keep him from cheating: sex whenever and wherever he wants, threesomes, I let him fuck Jap sluts when he's over there for work, it is so much to ask that he keep way from American bar sluts when I'm not there?
You'd think not, but you'd be wrong.

We've been dealing with these problems for years, it's just that now it's bothering me more than it used to. Maybe because I'm getting older (I'm 30) and I'm feeling threatened. Either way. I want the hookups to end, and he promised they would. And I thought they had. Aside from Teresa who he says basically raped him and so it wasn't his fault. I never really believed that, so since he was taking a polygraph anyway I used it as an opportunity to find out for sure. Turns out that whore really did wake up him jacking him off. God, I hate sluts.

But I'm not going to continue in this marriage with my head buried in the sand like I did in the past. I'm being vigilant.

Sounds like a dysfunctional relationship desu

She's my bother ex and she's not even pretty. And I should expose her, but that would expose us too, so I can't.

Purse looks like a vera bradley design...

That's what I thought but her purses are quilted and this looks beaded.

yeah, why don’t you two actually have a serious heart-to-heart discussion? it’s obvious that he is kinda promiscuous and kinky when it comes to sex, and you’re being too paranoid. you say that the situation now is a perfect chance to catch him, but you blew it. you were tok aggressive and skeptical. is a picture of a dress, a purse or whatever sufficient evidence to definitely catch him? talk it out.

I don't know the truth of the matter, but after this bullshit I'd definitely divorce your ass.

I don’t think you have enough resolution in this pics to make that call... besides that would be one rich call girl.

Just have some self respect and leave him. You’re not going to change him. Do it before you’re old and ugly.

We have lots of heart to hearts. We have a passionate relationship with a lot of dysfunction but a lot of love, lots of ups and downs.

But this wasn't suppose to be a therapy session. I'm trying to get the internet's analyzing experts to tell me if it's a backpack or a fucking purse. I mean isn't this site filled with autistic people who can accurately analyze anything and solve mysteries??

I'm here to utilize the autistic expertise. Please help.

Do you have kids?

If you don't, then he had no reason to be responsible, he's just going to be constantly seeking for pleasure.

If you're 30 and you don't have kids though, dear lord you might be lucky if you can get 1 at this point, otherwise you're fucked.

It's a purse and you should drop his ass. Have some dignity, gee

3 kids, all kids, of course. I married him when I was 17

His*

>I mean isn't this site filled with autistic people who can accurately analyze anything and solve mysteries??
whoa, is your opinion of this site really like that. sure, the majority of this site is like that to a degree, but trying to use our perceived “autism” to affirm your already egotistical assumptions isn’t that good for your situation. your marriage is obviosuly in shambles, and you will prolly leave each other soon, but always rememebr that he’s not the only cause to the problem. this an advice board, not a shitpost board.

Entitled cunt detected. I hope he gives you herpes, aids, hemorrhoids. and genital warts.

Entitled to not share my husband against my will? I'll wear the title. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I'm sorry if I did. I'm a little autistic too. Unfortunately mine doesn't come with any talents. I'm just weird and unlike other girls.

No one can fix this because you are allowing yourself to be played.

You’re a richer version of Brandeen in the trailer park, cops are arresting her husband for beating her up for the tenth time and she’s screaming “let ‘in gooooo, I lovvvvvvve him!” ...

You're an idiot who should've never been married in the first place.
>strangers on Rdit can so easily concobce you to get divorced
If you're so easily convinced by complete strangers, you should get divorced. Your paranoia is fucking nutty anyways. Also go back to Rdit and stay there. Fucking dumbass, he's definitally cheating on you.

No one is convincing me to get a divorce. It's a simple answer I'm after: what is that object in the desk? That's it. That's the only reason I'm even bringing this to the internet. (It was my first post on Reddit too, I don't use these sites).
If there was no physical evidence to analyze then I wouldn't even be asking for anyone's advice or opinion at all. I'm not after your opinion on the merits of my marriage, just the picture and object in question.

Brandeen? I don't understand the reference.

You're entitled in that you think we're here to cater to bugshit crazy whims. Ever heard the meme "Not your private army?"

You're an idiot. Your husband's an idiot. Your kids probably look at furry porn because their parents are incapable of running their own lives let alone being good parents to their kids.

You both deserve this. You did it to yourselves.

I'll put it this way:

What is more likely:

1. A camera flash and tv reflection made a backpack look like a floral beaded a purse

Or

2. My husband beat a polygraph on his first try? And he was asked the questions twice, by two separate examiners. I guess that's stranded to ensure accurate results.

Beyond that, I don't want your opinion.

Oh look, another certified sweetie.

Honey, I used all my potent autistic powers to determine that the object seen in the lights off pic is indeed a purse.

You live in a fucked up relationship, your husband is an animal and can't control his never-ending urge to fuck other thots and cuck your shit up, you are a pathetic cuckqueen who went mental. Take a minute and rethink your life choices. Shame you two have kids, like some user said, there is no way your offspring won't be royally fucked up with you and your whore-hubby for parents.

But yeah, it's a purse.

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Ever heard the meme "Not your private army?"

Nope, can't say that I have.

Does that mean weaponized autism isn't given away for free?

I mean I'm not asking for anyone to use flight patterns to triangulate gps coordinates or anything.
Just look at a picture and tell me what you think.

Geez, I thought people here weren't offended easily. Seems like everyone is butthurt over my post for some reason.

>Beyond that, I don't want your opinion.
Nobody really cares what you want or don't want, stupid bitch. You posted a thread and people will comment on it in whatever way they please, and you can do about nothing about it.

You made me cry. I'm going to get off here for a while, I have a Xanax to take and gardening to do, it calms me. I'll check back in later. Maybe someone can just answer my "what's more likely" scenario straight forward, without giving me all this extra shit I didn't ask for. That would be great.

well, if you just wanted people circlejerking around your accusation that it’s a purse, then why did you go here? it’s an advice board. we’re not here to give you the “”””assurance”””” and “”””comfort””””” you need by butting in on a situation that is highly ambiguous.

I'm offended because you're an entitled bitch who expects everyone to bow down to you.

And, incidentally, if my wife ever behaved like you, even after 9 years of marriage, I'd leave her on the spot minus a few of her teeth. If I ever spoke that way to my wife, I'd similarly be minus one wife and a pair of testicles.

But, y'know, my wife and I have a relationship that's built on honesty and respect, not paranoia and hate-fucking.

Good bait, you almost got me

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It's women like you who give the rest of us a bad name.

Look, here's the deal: You've basically said that he's had a cheating problem in the past. SO, YOU are the numbest of numbcunts for staying with a recognized cheater, and quite frankly, you deserve what you get for your cowardice.

As for the idea of using 4-Chan as your personal forensics team, well that was just fucking stupid. There are a lot of weirdos, autists, and just plain anti-social people on here, but even ~I~ have more respect for them AS PEOPLE than to try and involve them in what is a crumbling mess of a marriage like yours. Fucks' sake, even when I was on crazy pills and nearly got thrown out of my apartment and almost lost my fiance I never tried to get 4-chan to "back me" the way you're doing.

Grow a spine, act like a real woman and kick the cheating fucker out OR shut the fuck up and learn to accept your life the way it is. Maybe go find yourself a piece of side ass, you'd probably be happier if you were getting laid like all your husband's girls are.

Is this what autistic right wing virtue signaling looks like?

Wait til he develops a taste for ladyboys...

>implying he didn't fuck some traps and gays during one of his fucking sprees
Come on, don't be as naive as the OP, user

My bad...

Really? If that's what you think, then no wonder you're in a a farce of a marriage that's crumbling around you.

Bubblehead bimbos just never can imagine that another woman would be OFFENDED by their cowardice and inability to take care of themselves. You obviously need a man in your life, and for whatever reason, you are so emotionally dependent on this guy that you've tried getting us all to rally around you somehow, as if that's going to fix anything or save your marriage.

News flash, sweetie: Real life doesn't work like that. You can't just command 4-chan or any other message board out there to do your bidding. Quite frankly, my fiance gave me this thread because he knows I'm amused by drama, but now you're boring me, so I'm going to go find something more interesting to do.

Maybe I'll go blow my fiance, that's never stopped being fun even after almost a decade.

Do be sure to let us know if you or your hubby decide to blow their brains out over your failing marriage, it's always interesting to see which one goes first.

My guess is hubby blows his brains out first (specifically... oh, let's be bon vivant and say hose in the tailpipe) and you'll murder all your kids with a butcher knife and hang yourself.

You're trying too hard and making everyone cringe.

Is this bait or not i cant tell

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Somewhat true, she went overboard with her last 2 posts, but OP, after the cringe you served us first, this is nothing.

Go take your pills and plant a flower, it will take your mind off your husband's dionysian sex feasts and that beaded purse.

>Anonymous
>Fiance

What girls call their boyfriends who won't marry them to show everyone she's not just a whore living with a random.

If you have so much distrust in your husband, just dump his ass anyways. Double points if you become scum of the earth by getting 85% of his shit after the divorce.

>commenting on someone else's romantic situation while you yourself get cucked left and right
Lol

But she loves himmmmmmmmmm!

I'm on disability, you numb cunt, so I can't marry her and keep my healthcare. Ain't life grand?

Grander than your life at any rate (and I'm a useless cripple!)

I think it's a trannys purse.
>Polygraph specifies women
>Really focused on punishing your ass.

I do love him. Plus I have no job or skills because I've been a SHM for the past 13 years.

Leave him and live off welfare and child support? I know girls like that and they are lonely and bitter bitches.

Although I'm in shape and attractive "the wall" isn't too many years away and a divorced 30 year old with 3 kids isn't exactly a catch.

Maybe I will go back to living with my head in the sand. Ignorance is bliss after all.

He knows I don't like that, and he's airing his frustration and annoyance plus he is into kink.

But the question asked: did you stage your backpack in the second photo to make it appear to be the object in the first?"

So that would cover your wired hypothesis.

Anyway, he knew the spirit of the question and technical lying is still lying so he would have failed anyway, theoretically. Unless he knew how to beat the test, in which case the spirit of the question wouldn't matter.

Reminds me of the Movie wild tales.

You are more pathetic as an able-bodied woman than I ever have been or will be as a severely disabled man.

And your mindset is what made my mom kill herself in 2008 (except my mom was a decent human being with self-esteem issues rather than a shallow cunt with expensive tastes.)

I hope your kids put you in a horrible nursing home.

You deserve each other.

Kinda looks like a purse, desu

But honestly, your relationship with your man is very messed up. Wtf, these messages he sent you, your talk about this whole thing, it's a mess

This, if your Husband isn't cheating now, he will be soon.

>If you pass I'll believe you
>Passes Polygraph
>ACKSCHULLY I don't believe you still

>15:22:07
Ya, I know, I feel really bad about this whole thing. I want to believe him but, I mean, have you seen the picture? Can someone just please tell me that I'm crazy and that it's definitely a backpack!?!

I already told you that but you didn't listen. Can I see your tits please?

It's not a fucking backpack. You know it, we all know it.

Beating polygraphs is easy if you're not nervous about the outcome. The whole premise is based on the accused being concerned about being caught lieing, but if the same emotional response to either case applies, there's nothing to detect.

Just if one doesn't give a fuck, or a behaviour is so normalised for an individual, they don't have a detectable response.

They're also useless if you're convinced emotionally that the test is rigged against you. Then every response is masked by excessive autonomic factors.

I beat a 12 hour polygraph session my first time. Yes, took 12 hours. It's obviously a purse.

Who sends a picture of their hotel room if they're just watching TV?

Who also sleeps in the far bed or doesn't opt for a king bed if they're alone?

Was he on business? Did he possibly have to share a room with a female co-worker and not want to share it with you because he thought you might get upset?

Unlikely, but possible. Would explain passing a polygraph.

Also, is that really how adults text each other? I'm too lazy to go on reddit: do you fuck at least twice a week?

Why would an adult married woman post her intimate marriage issues on a Cantonese Imperialist Political Cartoons Repository?

Why do you continue to eat animal products when there is no nutrient you can't get from plants, fungi or yeast?

Scientists were able to recreate the conditions necessary for life on Earth and successfully birthed simple life last year, so why didn't anyone report it?

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NYPA

All of this

>this isnt a troll
>god have mercy on all of us

>Who sends a picture of their hotel room if they're just watching TV?

A husband who isn't trusted by his wife.

>Who also sleeps in the far bed or doesn't opt for a king bed if they're alone?

Kings aren't always available, he's working in a place that's busy right now due to spring break, not surprising a king isn't available. He always sleeps closest to the AC.

>Was he on business? Did he possibly have to share a room with a female co-worker and not want to share it with you because he thought you might get upset?

He's on business, but he's a contractor and has no females working for him.

>Unlikely, but possible. Would explain passing a polygraph.

Not possible.

>Also, is that really how adults text each other? I'm too lazy to go on reddit: do you fuck at least twice a week?

I don't use Reddit, the pictures I posted (before the polygraph) was my first post.

We flirt text, and joke text, and exaggerate text, and hyperbole text. We have a deep connection, he just likes to fuck whores.

When he's in town we fuck everyday, usually twice a day. He has a massive sex drive and I'm a good wife.

Why would an adult married woman post her intimate marriage issues on a Cantonese Imperialist Political Cartoons Repository?

It's an advice column and I'm anonymous here. Plus I'm trying to figure out what to do next. Because like I said, I already told him I'd accept the results of the polygraph, but I'm having a hard time.

This is so depressing.

>We have a deep connection, he just likes to fuck whores.
Oh sweetie...

>Plus I'm trying to figure out what to do next. Because like I said, I already told him I'd accept the results of the polygraph, but I'm having a hard time.

Well, if that's what you said, that's what you do. But promise yourself next time you're through.

You did but then you were the only one, were you lying to help me out? That's really sweet, but no you can't see my tits. I've breastfed 3 children, so you wouldn't want to anyway.

The first picture looks like a sort of floral blue purse with pink straps. The second is a man's backpack. You already said in this thread that he's a traveling businessman who fucks sluts. The problem is that he's lying? Well, he obviously figures himself to be some kind of bigshot and that you'll settle for however he treats you. We see the same "battered woman" threads all the time. People treat you with as much respect as they need to, sometimes more if they aren't shitty apes like the majority.

I'm going to hire a PI next time I have reason to be suspicious. Right now I'm going to just try to forgot this entire thing.

Polygraphs aren't exactly reliable. They can be easily evaded with the help of training.

He hasn't had training. How easy for just a normal person without training to beat?

Everyday that your husband leaves your sight—he’s thinking about cheating or is cheating on you.

What a wreck

You're just being cruel

Let's get one thing straight: you quoted my text using meme arrows so I'd imagine you have Clover.

So you come here often.

Did you meet him online? Do you both have online friends? Does he jerk it to porn?

>We flirt text, and joke text, and exaggerate text, and hyperbole text. We have a deep connection, he just likes to fuck whores.

He fucked whores in the past or he's done this before?

>When he's in town we fuck everyday, usually twice a day. He has a massive sex drive and I'm a good wife.

If he is or isn't cheating on you, it's 100% not your fault if this is true. I'm a software engineer making a six figure salary in my mid 20s with 0 kids and it's a struggle to get my grill to fuck me once a week.

I'd never cheat though.

I also didn't mention: why did you ask for a picture in the first place? Why would he send you a picture with a purse in it?

Have you two experimented with other women before? Has he been cheating that much that this really is nothing to him?

You shouldn't need clarification about the purse backpack bullshit: your subconscious sees and analyzes things so you don't have to ( impossible windows in the Shining, for example, that puts you on edge ) and that is all the proof you need there.

Cheating itself is trickier. Why was a woman's purse in his room? Why would he include it in the picture?

Why do we pretend to give a shit about global warming when animal agriculture is more responsible than all transportation combined?

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>Let's get one thing straight: you quoted my text using meme arrows so I'd imagine you have Clover.

I don't know what Clover is, I just looked it up (I've had to look up several words and acronyms throughout this thread) but there are several definitions and I don't know which one you're referring to. urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Clover

I saw this ">" before on another site a couple years ago and I spent literally 2 hours reading about what it was and the history of how it came to be. I said earlier that I have mild autism and the workings and history of internet message boards piqued my interests - there's a specific reason but I won't get into all that now.

>So you come here often.

I've browsed before, but mostly I know about Jow Forums from reading threads on other sites, watching YouTube videos (someone did a "does Taylor swift visit /b" a week or so ago, that was interesting), and reading articles. I followed HWNDU very closely, so I know a bit about Jow Forums culture. Far from a regular tho. Again, this is my first post. I've never had a reason to interact before.

>Did you meet him online?

We met in high school.

>Do you both have online friends?

I'm online much more than he is, because he has a real life and I don't, but I don't have online friends, I don't think that such a thing exists, but I don't have any real friends either.

>Does he jerk it to porn?

Yes, but not too often.


>We flirt text, and joke text, and exaggerate text, and hyperbole text. We have a deep connection, he just likes to fuck whores.

>He fucked whores in the past or he's done this before?

Yes many times in the past, but I thought it had gotten better over the past 2 or 3 years. I think he's a sex addict. He likes to flirt and have girls chase him. He likes ONS with girls he meets in bars.

>When he's in town we fuck everyday, usually twice a day. He has a massive sex drive and I'm a good wife.

>If he is or isn't cheating on you, it's 100% not your fault if this is true. I'm a software engineer making a six figure salary in my mid 20s with 0 kids and it's a struggle to get my grill to fuck me once a week.

He doesn't give me much of a choice. I mean, I guess I could get away, so I don't consider it rape. But my "I don't want to right now" doesn't phase him as he is removing my clothes. He doesn't ask, he just takes it. Sometimes I really really don't want to and I can let that be known by yelling at him and getting out of the bed, but verbal denials don't phase him. Maybe try that with your girlfriend. Just start taking off her clothes and don't react to verbal demands to stop. Obviously don't physically restrain her, maybe you can lightly, but you'll know if she is more opposed to having sex than you are in favor of. It's hard to explain without it sounding like rape.

>I also didn't mention: why did you ask for a picture in the first place? Why would he send you a picture with a purse in it?

I didn't believe he was in his hotel, because I couldn't get a hold of him earlier and figured he was at the bar. He had been at the bar and was drunk by the time he sent the picture. Maybe he forgot it was there or maybe it really is a backpack.

>Have you two experimented with other women before? Has he been cheating that much that this really is nothing to him?

Yes, we've had many threesomes, and I even let him fuck a Japanese girl a couple months ago when he was there on business. He sent me the pictures, you guys wanna see??

The deal was: she can't be western and she can't speak English.

We have a lot of sexual experiences, we used to frequent a high end swingers club. We don't swing tho, he's way to jealous to share me. Mostly exhibition stuff and other men's wives will join in.

I really don't care that much about the sex. I wouldn't even care if he saw a prostitute every once in a while. But he wouldn't do that because for him it's not about the sex, it's the high he gets from the chase and the conquest.

He knows I could get over the sex but I go crazy when I think he's lying and hiding things and gaslighting me. I don't want to live in a constant state of paranoia and anxiety. I hete being a complete mess like I am when I know I'm being lied to with the evidence right in my face. The gaslighting really gets to me, I'm losing my sanity.

A heavily embroidered front with a flower, bright pink back = A black backpack.Yeah, this is either bait or you're in denial.

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>You shouldn't need clarification about the purse backpack bullshit: your subconscious sees and analyzes things so you don't have to ( impossible windows in the Shining, for example, that puts you on edge ) and that is all the proof you need there.

I know, but now he's passed the polygraph and so now I have to pretend like I believe him. I put myself in this position when I told him I'd trust the results. I only saud that because I was sure he would fail.

>Cheating itself is trickier. Why was a woman's purse in his room? Why would he include it in the picture?

Didn't know? Didn't care? Too drunk and slipped up? It's his backpack?

>Why do we pretend to give a shit about global warming when animal agriculture is more responsible than all transportation combined?

I don't care about global warming. I care about deforestation, pollution, and overpopulation.

I'm not autistic or bored enough to put this much effort into a made up story. It's there at all a possibility, even a 1 in a million, that it's the flash reflecting off the mirror or chair or tv and onto the backpack? He passed a polygraph!!

Hell yeah I Wanna see

I'm a Christian so you have my word that i'm not trying to sow unnecessary discord between you and your husband.
However upon my personal observation, the first photo looks like a floral patterned unit (idk if it's backpack/purse/handbag)
The second photo is clearly a black bookbag, and it looks pretty matte and regular textured so i highly doubt it reflected a floral pattern...

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Polygraphs are pseudoscience. Jow Forums is not your personal detective service. And bitching out the people in the thread is actively hurting any shred of interest you might've won.

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Also your relationship seems incredibly degenerate and dysfunctional. I mean you've allowed him to cheat on you by having sex with some Asian lady, what the hell kind of ""marriage"" is that?

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Go.
Away.

Jinkies this entire thing sounds like you’re so fucked in the head it’s insane

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