Why can't people understand that the United States doesn't have the money to afford universal healthcare...

Healthcare in Canada is nigger tier. 6 months for mri, 4 months to see specialist, 7 more months for surgery. Total of 17 months for 12 minute knee scope.
God bless universal healthcare

yea thats what im saying , im waiting to see a specialist at the moment myself and its actually 8 months.

I'm curious if it's Boomer exceptionalism behind all this. We didn't have universal health care for most of this nation's history and appear to have reached here, fine.

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Some people make a lot of money keeping things as they are. They don't want things to change.

The NHS isn't perfect, but thank my God im white and British.

Your food prices make up for it.

>Doesn't have the money for better healthcare
>But has six trillion to spend on kike wars
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businessinsider.com/the-war-on-terror-has-cost-the-us-nearly-6-trillion-2018-11

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I went to the US and paid 8k out of pocket. MRI and specialist seen on a Tuesday, surgery Wednesday. I compressed 17 months into 2 days by avoiding universal healthcare

Every state has health centers that you don't pay, taxpayer funded. Why do people say we don't have universal health care?

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Have you used them?

Well if we cut off these third world leaches and used OUR money for ourselves and remove this corruption from our public offices you'd be surprised how much real progress we could make
Taxation is theft the Fed is slavery via usury and lobbying should be outlawed

State backed healthcare is even more expensive because everything becomes a massive fraud. NPCs can't map links between cause and consequence so there is no use discussing this.

Why can't people understand that the US has too many brown people that dont work or pay taxes therefore make universal healthcare not viable? Is the real question you should be asking.

The problem is shit skins...

300mil are sick cunts.

Socialists always promise a nude beach
>sounds wonderful until you get there

Of course, everyone does.

Cooperative health plans sounds like the way to go
>just make sure your group are all white

> It's a very basic concept. The US can't afford the nice things.

But according to Republicans, the United States CAN afford a 700 Billion dollar military budget....

America needs to take a good look at itself and realize how messed up its priorities are.
Godspeed America. You can do it.

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>the money to afford
That's why it would be free you retard

We could easily pay for it if we didn't have 44 million niggers and stopped spending trillions on Jew wars for Israel.

Brilliant image

Healthcare in The US would cost three/four times as much as the military cost.
The military has value as a force that can be bartered
Most Healthcare is a scam or wasted within the second you walk into the building.

So yeah no, we are good.

The US already spends 3.5 trillion state and federal on healthcare in 2017.

> but muh socialism
> but muh budget

That's a relief, for quite a while I've been getting anxiety about the people who can't afford health care.

But user, if all the richest 1% were required to give their money to the universal healthcare system and inheritance tax at 100% were used, we'd all have free healthcare and all of our problems would go away.

Agreed

We are beyond saving. The majority of people have no time to dwell on important issues anymore

Wtf are you talking about where are these things?? I have a friend in Georgia who has no healthcare he needs help. I also have daily migraines but due to transportation issues it's difficult for me to get to my doctors office 30 miles away.

Who's going to collect on the debt? They would literally have to go up against the US Government.

Also, if we can waste money subsidizing defence industries for half-finished projects and corporate tax cuts we can also spare budget for universal healthcare. We would actually save money as a country since the ~2 trillion Americans spend in total for worse healthcare than other countries would be given back to the people and less per person would be taken out than is currently spent privately

Actually it's more like 3.2 trillion a year and we would save 2 trillion over 10 years doing it via government

mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/medicare-all-32-trillion-new-costs-or-2-trillion-savings

Now I am confused?

if you add up the entire EU spending by country the US still spends more as a total as a percentage of GDP and per capita for it's shitty non socialist non universal healthcare

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>"These freedom-hating muthafuckas don't think it be like that, but it do"

Mercatus is not a valid source, get outta here with that faggotry.

Migraines? Nigga there's people out there with cancer who can't get help. Fuckin take a tylenol unironically.

So introducing more government inefficiency on top of that will fix it?

No, that's just dumb and those of you who think so are idiots.

The problem with healthcare in the US is that it's so fucking expensive as is. Until we get costs under control, it doesn't matter whether you pay through taxes or through your insurance. The baseline cost must come down first.

You are getting turbo cucked by both the state and the private healthcare companies in an unholy alliance to scam the consumer. The entire population of the EU is like 500 million and their total spending is fucking less than yours you could just reform the system and have socialized universal healthcare even accounting for the niggers and spend less than you do now

>the state and the private healthcare companies in an unholy alliance to scam the consumer.

> you could just reform the system

inherently contradictory. There's far too much money at stake to just "reform the system." Both government and private companies have no incentive to change anything because both are massively benefiting from the huge costs passed onto your average person.

Eventually what's going to happen is that some type of socialized medicine is going to get passed, but without reforming anything so costs will continue spiraling up and out of control, and it will be obamacare 2.0

>Why can't people understand that the United States doesn't have the money to afford universal healthcare?

(((Healthcare))) in the united states isn't designed to be affordable, it's designed to impoverish as many as possible, and the only reason why (((They))) are pushing universal healthcare, is so they can take more money from the government.... like, $1,200 for an asprin.

This. We already have socialized medicine, it's just so inefficient it's not nearly universal, and routinely bankrupts people WITH HEALTH INSURANCE. That fact alone should cue you in to the problem, because the system doesn't bother going after (or charging at all) people who can't afford to pay. If you have any money at all, you're a cow to be milked as much as possible.

That's socialized medicine, not universal healthcare. There is a difference.

The white people who do work and pay taxes could pay for it all 3 times over, but the system is intentionally inefficient and diverts money into private pockets instead of patient care.

Because children and most humans are a hivemind and it's better to be an obnoxious idiot about something everyone you know agrees with than to risk being "controversial" in even the most poignant and polite manner.
t. had to suffer this shit in chatrooms that supposedly banned political discussion.

>wtf are you spending the money on?
Obesity.

This is a big issue, yes. We need to eliminate obesity in the US. And I do mean eliminate it. Eliminate the mindset that leads to it, eliminate that whole "body positivity" and "fat acceptance" bullshit. A fit nation brings that estimate down substantially.

Yes, and other disorders caused by a sedentary lifestyle such as diabetes and cancer. Ironically the disorders are commonly treated by taxpayer subsidized mobility scooters which actually exacerbate the problem by making the patient even more sedentary.

god i forgot it was such a problem down there , i mean its bad here but the americans are at like wall-e levels arnt they.

>gives $1 trillion in new debt in tax cuts to jewish bankers
sorry, goys we can't afford healthcare lol

it would only cost about 300 trillion dollars

Trump gonna kick the FED without paying and replace it with real gold and start all over.

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Under the current system, yes. Under any sane country's healthcare system (Spain, UK, Australia, etc) we could already pay for it with our current funding level and still have money left over. The problem is (((Medicare))) and (((Medicaid)))

Yes it is, it's a libertarian think tank tank that's highly influential in conservative circles.

>you americans should totally do this thing
>wait are you saying this thing would cost HOW MUCH?

Ladybois and gentlemen: the eternal leaf poster

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>United States doesn't have the money
Trump has given 1.5 trillion dollars in tax cuts to the wealthy. That is WHY we can't afford health care.

At least American billionaires can sleep well at night, knowing Trump has their back.

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yeah thats like over 10 thousand dollars per person (american dollars), i dident know Americans where that fucking fat.

This

This is why we need to get rid of most welfare.
The welfare state is entirely unconstitutional and illegal.

You know what? I hope that you do get universal healthcare. It’ll speed up your economic collapse by a significant percentage.

isent the us economy doing great?

No. It’s a house of cards. The debt is rising constantly, and Trump hasn’t done shit to stop or slow that down.

That, along with gun control are two impossible things to practice in your country. The former because an universal healthcare system implies that most hospitals are literally state owned and not in the hands of a private party. Obviously, if they are in the hands of a private party, said party will overcharge the state and the taxpayer gets literally robbed while they become some sort of outrageously well paid aristocrats.
The later is also impossible due to the sheer number of weapons already in circulation (just to explain another impossibility even if not related).

*On the other hand.... maybe if the state starts building their own hospitals they can level down prices with sheer competition alone. It doesnt even need to actually engulf everyone. Just shake things a bit.
Hmm....

the military gets more than enough money they can afford some cuts

You’re a fucking idiot. You’re paying double than other countries for overall worse coverage.
Prevention is lower because it’s more expensive and leads to costly illnesses later on.
People go bankrupt because the premiums are sky-high because of adverse selection, you don’t even have a mutualist system.

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i heard different , apparently trumps fucking killing it right now and they might get back tons of money the Chinese have been stealing from them soon. they are also taking less bullshit from Europe which is a welcome change in my book.

There's no point in keeping people healthy if our military is weak.

>usdebtclock.org
His end game was always lower corporate tax and more leeway to higher brackets but his current job places him in a privileged position to negotiate deals for himself, such as chinese investment in his property/Ivanka business, SA handouts to Jared and himself, etc. I can only imagine what jews also gave him.
Since he wants continuity with a second term he simply cannot tax the "plebs" (the reason why mid/low brackets stay more or less the same) hence the rising debt.
Its the middle class that always pays for this anyway....

depts just a number.

Until investors tell you to fuck off and lose interest.

We’ll see about that once the Great Depression 2: Civil war edition comes out.

Corporate tax was just too high, come on.
The problem is tax elusion at the 1% level, and he has done nothing for that issue.

I wouldn't want UHC simply because I'd be paying taxes to cover Shaniqua and her five spawn born out of wedlock, Diego and his five brothers, and Cleetus and Billy Bob trying to cover their neonatal care from banging their cousins.

It’s irrelevant at this point. The US is a dead country walking. Only a matter of time.

Yeah it's all blacks really. But interestingly the healthcare costs are drastically lopsided towards being higher at old age so ironically when people waste money and die young because they're so fat it ends up costing about the same.

The greater issue is how the US is subsidizing (ie paying for) the healthcare research for the rest of the world that copies our drugs and resells them at dirt cheap prices and thus can usually afford some botched system of "free" taxpayer funded healthcare. I think you're the same leaf who said Canada is not doing healthcare right. Guess what nobody else is either and their systems are constantly on the brink of financial collapse because free healthcare isn't free and leaches destroy the system because they don't pay for/contribute to the process. That's why colder primarily white nations have the "best" systems. Brown people are less likely to live in those nations and bankrupt their healthcare systems.

America's larger geography also makes it much easier to mass produce garbage food and rely on vehicle transportation which makes us less healthy. So on top of how inherently flawed universal healthcare is by default America also would be the worst candidate for universal healthcare to begin with.

debt = sin = robbing from the future to
live in the present. an economy built
on debt, isn't an economy, it's a harvest
waiting to happen.

Once the extreme life extension healthcare options come on line, the rest of the world will come to the same standard that the US has. Healthcare is only for worthwhile people. And that is a good thing. The world is only going to get worse if we give people who can't be bothered to get the most basic of jobs, immortality. The first people who will live to age 200 are alive today.

Why do you think you will shame communists into doing things that sustain your nation? Why do you think that women want to think logically?
They will flee to the first real men they find, those who are willing to die for their cause.

We could afford socialized medicine and socialized college if we cut welfare and stopped being the world's baby sitters. We also spend 100x more than Russia and China combined but that's not because our military is 100x stronger it's because it's extremely corrupt and wasteful spending is completely ignored. We also get nothing for defending Asia from China and Europe from Russia. We have spent trillions on wasted wars in the ME to keep the petrodollar alive and well.

The real red pill, something that people in higher circles mock us all about is that we could afford a strong military and strong social programs if we took care of ourselves instead of letting almost every nation on earth bleed us dry. It will never happen because every single facet of our government has been infiltrated and coerced into working against us. Politics is a cruel joke, its like the gladiator games in the Roman times, just a blood thirsty sport to distract us. Trump is differen't in that they rigged the fight for him to lose and he won, but at the end of the day he's just a powerful player in a game ultimately rigged.

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You already pay for all of them, dummy. They're covered by Medicare and Medicaid. "Universal" healthcare would just extend the treatment that they get to those who work (without bankrupting them).

>only half a million deaths
Damn, we need to spend more.

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We don't need to cut welfare or defense spending (although we should, in terms of reforming them to deliver more efficiently on their promises). The funding mechanism is broken, there are literally no rules on how much a person can be charged, and hospitals abuse this to extract the most money from people who are least able to fight the bill. Wealthy people with good health insurance have insurance agents and lawyers who go to bat for them and tell the hospital to fuck off and lower their charges or else prepare for a fight, and the hospitals always fold. Poor people can't afford to pay (ever), so hospitals don't bother going after them. Middle class people who can only afford shit health insurance plans are the ones who get hounded for the last penny in their bank accounts because their insurance doensn't feel like fighting for them (because they don't pay much in premiums), and hospitals know they won't be able to afford an attorney to fight the bills if the insurance won't (like rich people do), so they go after them the hardest, and ruin their credit rating.
This can all be solved by government regulation of costs, but this will never in a million years pass congress because it's bought and paid for by the heath insurance companies, who are in on the racket (and almost all of them own multiple hospitals).

Stop thinking it's some Monopoly guy at the top of hospitals that's the problem. They might contribute ~5% of our problems. The other 95% is caused by the endless horde of niggers and spics that flood through our doors every hour of the day for knife/gun wounds, pregnancy, or the sniffles. It's impossible for us to bill them since they don't have jobs, so we're forced to pass all those costs into the first poor sap with a job that comes in.
>but muh saline cost muh $100!
Your saline didn't cost $100. That's the cost of Rosa's saline and her surgery cost when she had her 7th kid.

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