God fucked up and you're not allowed to call him out on it, and if you do, He just remains silent and inscrutable like the coward He is. Even Mark Twain saw God's preposterous hypocrisy. For starters, evil exists, and it shouldn't. Evil is the desire to inflict and to receive suffering, and also meaningless destruction. For example, why does murder exist? Well, because the body can die, which is retarded, but also because the evil DESIRE and bewildered anger exist. Why does homelessness exist? Because greed and hoarding exists. No evil desires = no evil. No badly designed universe = nothing evil happens like dying in a car crash or being born blind.
Actually, evil is synonymous with insanity. It is the desire and even passion to do exactly the incorrect thing. Wtf? God did this. What a fucking brainlet.
Don't give me that shit about how evil adds depth to life. Designing a car so that the transmission fails doesn't add depth to the fucking car. Also, don't give me that shit about how you need to experience pain to feel pleasure. That's like saying that if everyone was good looking, we wouldn't be attracted to good looks anymore. Stupid faggot.
And the only reason you don't talk smack about God is because you're such a little selfish and cowardly shit that you make Christianity (or whatever religion) your insurance policy to get into heaven. Yeah, God's going to let you into the VIP line for that one turd.
If God knew best, he would've told us by now. Esoteric bullshit is /x/-tier. Therefore, he's either unwilling, incapable, non-existent, lazy, asleep, or an asshole.
Dominic Watson
>If God knew best, he would've told us by now. He did. Read The Book of Mormon and learn the truth.
Ryder Adams
>magic underwear >bull fountain >angels gave me a book Memeflags were a mistake.
Dominic Morales
Agnostic here (the only true intellectual position). Dude. Take off the fedora, you're cringing up the place. Binary dualism is how we experience the world. Fact is, we do need opposites in order to compare and contrast what is desirable and what isn't. I'm not making any statements about the existence or non existence of God, but when you have kids you will want them to experience hardship. Without it there is no development, and we become lazy, entitled, worthless. If I was God I'd pretty much do everything the same way, how could you not? Wouldn't you want your children to be self actualised, competent, intelligent creatures?
>That's like saying that if everyone was good looking, we wouldn't be attracted to good looks anymore That’s the truth. Why are you so mad?
Jaxson Carter
If nothing bad happens you can’t appreciate it when something good happens. I am agnostic but disregarding the notion of higher power is ignorant just because we haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it can’t exist
Angel Cook
>Asshole. >Hypocrite.
What is God for 500.
Perfectly black confirmation bias horse blinders.
>Binary dualism is how we experience the world. Fact is, we do need opposites in order to compare and contrast what is desirable and what isn't.
Your argument is not valid because you don't understand what evil is. Evil creates absolutely meaningless hurdles in ones life. For example, depression is evil and shouldn't exist. A person can commit suicide because of this. How did suicide make the person stronger, explain that one to me. The ball is in my court. You cannot justify evil. And you are changing the definition of evil to mean 'lifting weights and shit' to get out of the fact that evil is, well, EVIL. It should not exist.
Another example is disease. It's absolutely a meaningless concept and creation.
Joseph Ross
Prove me wrong. You didn't even present an argument. It's like saying a person gets sick of being at peace, or being happy. Doesn't work like that. You absolutely DO NOT need ugliness to establish or reinforce beauty.
Tyler James
>criticizing an infinite being with your finite mind
big balls
Adam Green
>prove my opinion wrong
Jordan Ramirez
Not an argument for your side because it's amazing how smart humans are. They have enough intelligence to gauge accurately.
Justin Lewis
Also not an argument.
Julian Myers
>Depression is evil and shouldn't exist Who's defining evil now faggot? Depression is neutral, you're simply interpreting it as evil. Why is it evil? Because it harms us? Spicy food harms my asshole but i wouldnt call jalapenos evil. Also, depression doesnt cause suicide, weakness does. >another example is disease Disease is, again, neutral. At the core of it, disease is either another life form propagating its genetic material (to your detriment admittedly) or the result of neglecting your body. Sometimes its genetic, but thats how it goes. Some people die (the weak and unfit) and the rest survive and propagate. How is this evil? It sucks that people suffer, but i need you to explain what makes these things evil?
I would say that only conscious beings are capable of committing evil, and its simply a term we use to desceibe the worst aspects of ourselves, and our most despicable actions. What say you?
"Depression is neautral" is the most retarded relativist shit I've ever heard. Depression isn't fucking neutral you faggot. A person will say, "I'm a sadist, I like pain." Notice how he doesn't say that when I'm chainsawing his legs off. Depression is a state of languarge and intense DARKNESS. It's an atmosphere of doom as if you're in a demonic hell. It shouldn't exist excessive pain is evil. Depression crosses the line of what should be included in the universe.
The shit you describe as being neutral aren't neutral. Excess pain is OBJECTIVELY evil. Insanity is wrong and evil because it crosses the line. Schizophrenia (disease) is wrong and evil. I can go on for an eternity.
You can't handle the truth because you have your rose colored glasses on. You can't handle it and you form bullshit relativist beliefs to keep you cozy. "E... everything is a matter of opinion. T... the universe is g... great." Until your fucking kids die in a car crash and you see their dismembered bodies. "Wtf I love the universe now!" -t- brainlet.
You're just wrong. It's not a matter of opinion. Excess pain (suffering) shouldn't exist, period. The universe is flawed. It exists to shelter evil; To give it a home even though evil shouldn't have been created in the first place.
Andrew Perry
Let us go on your basis that murder is evil to show you why evil exists and why a god or God lets it be so. Everyone would say murder is evil, but why. The answer most would give is because your ending someone's life, removing their free will and choice forever. It's why people react to murderers and suicide differently. If you kill yourself, it's your choice. Therefore, it is taking someone's ability or right to choose that is the evil in murder. So if God is good, he must let evil exist. For otherwise, he would be taking that freedom to choose, and be evil. He must give us the choice. However, as a father, he still has the right to punish or reward us for our decisions.
Camden Edwards
>Please send me to heaven skydaddy I promise I won't question anything! Everything is gooooooooooooooooooooood even though I don't want to be here anymore.
>Excess pain is OBJECTIVELY evil >you have your rose colored glasses on.
The irony. Your comprehension of good and evil is on the level of a five year old. There is no good reason for why pain should not exist. Your sentiment on a purely emotional reasoning.
The level of pain we are capable of feeling has been an absolute necessity in our evolutionary path. We evolved to experience precisely the exact amount of suffering that could effectively guide us away from undesirable situations without making us incapable of taking action.
Elijah Reyes
>Murderer takes away the freewill and life of a person. >Person has no free will or life due to murderer.
Orwellian double-think retardation confirmed. And your argument is ancient and debunked. The desire to commit evil should NOT exist. Because it does exist, a person is a slave to that desire. The desire itself is what causes a person to murder therefore it isn't the person doing it.
None of your religious ideas hold any water. Everything you guys believe about people and free will is a cartoon totally distanced from how it actually works.
Jacob Gray
this
Gavin Reed
>he thinks free will is a metaphysically meaningful concept
Blake Richardson
based thread, but there is no god
Carter Jones
My comprehention of evil is spot on because I don't have to ask skydaddy for approval so I can actually look at it objectively unstead of "universe good, skydaddy good.". And this thread is about questioning the addition of evil into the universe which you can't seem to grasp for some reason.
Also, the only reason you apologize for evil is because you didn't suffer enough. It's always the case with people who had easier lives to end up so weak so as never to question God.
I don't want to talk to you though because christards are too basic. It's no wonder that the flat turd religion comes from your side.
>Actually believes God will send a person to hell forever.
Yeah I stay away from people like you in real life because you're evil. Only evil people believe such a thing.
Austin Ross
Oh your so edgy young child
Lucas Hall
i hate how i'm forced to be a murderer everytime i eat, whether plant or animal. pure evil
Camden Phillips
Does evil exist in an objective sense, or is morality a social construct?
Luke Gonzalez
>My comprehention of evil is spot on
It's not spot on. It's arbitrary. It's juvenile. It's fallible.
>And this thread is about questioning the addition of evil into the universe
If you don't follow any religious dogma, there is no need to think in such terms as "addition of evil into the universe". It's just inane, unquantifiable rambling.
>Also, the only reason you apologize for evil is because you didn't suffer enough.
1) What does it mean to "suffer enough"? 2) Why do you think I have not "suffered enough"? 3) In what way do you see me apologizing for evil?
>I don't want to talk to you though because christards
Not a christian.
You talk alot, but you are saying very little. Spend some time specifying your statements so that some actual substance gets expressed.
Aaron Rodriguez
maybe you should accept his son so he can talk to you, fucking moronic butt slamming nigger loving faggot.
If evil didn’t exist, this world wouldn’t be a test and you wouldn’t be free to make bad choices. You’d just be along for the ride. Now go to your room.
Dylan Ward
What evidence is there for freedom
Gabriel Roberts
What do you mean by freedom? What do you mean by evidence? What do you mean by "there"?
Brody Bell
there's no difference
Julian Morris
>Edgy teenager You have to be 18 to post here, faggot.
Killing is taking life Murder is an illegal act of taking life
Asher Flores
Every living being only borrows materials from the universe. No living being owns the vessel they inhabit. It's not any more evil for you to eat plants and animals than it is for the worms to eat your eventual carcass as you kick the bucket.
i'm gonna borrow your life if you respond to me again
Parker Kelly
Power is the only arbiter of good and evil
Zachary Sullivan
it's stealing
Camden Young
I don't care for your snickering. If the context is metaphysical, then you very much need to specify what you mean by freedom and evidence, lest I don't answer in a way that you didn't actually request.
Hudson Martin
This is a perfect example of evil. Why wasn't the universe designed so that meat grows on tree's or something of the sort? Why don't limbs grow back when you lose them? Evil, that's why. Flawed system; stupid system. Bad came design. 3.2/10 on metacritic.
Chase Rodriguez
who ever set this whole shit up is a fuckin psychopath
Josiah Carter
You are free to try. I'm not an easy prey, my biceps are 17 inch.
Logan Roberts
Property is also a social construct What does it mean to own something or who owns what is determined by those who can enforce it.
Caleb Cook
God gave man free will because the alternative would be a pre programed world where free thought is impossible It’s like having a super computer with a full sentient AI (free will) vs a Super Nintendo with one game (your gay version of god) what would be the point also one mans version of good is another’s version of evil
Benjamin Lewis
i wish i had my boots on so i could shake in them
Brandon Anderson
Power is an arbiter only to itself.
Lincoln Rogers
The book of Ether, Mark Twain described it as "chloroform in print". It's a cheap knockoff of the old testament,dictated by a womanizing huckster to serviceable cuck scribes. God is omnipresent and omniscient. He is all powerful, but allows evil to exist. That sounds malevolent. If you don't agree with every one of the thousands of religions (discounting all the one that have fallen by the wayside over the millenium) you have to burn in their afterlife. Protestants think Catholics are going to Hell, and vice versa. It's a zero-sum game, religion, user. Even yours.
Brody Sanders
Against your will you were born Against your will you are forced to survive Against your will you will answer to God for your choices.
You’re grounded. No shitposting for a week.
Nicholas Baker
What makes you think freewill exists
Henry Johnson
>only 2 options what a brilliant god
Juan Walker
It's not stealing, because you are not taking the life. You are releasing it.
Juan Jackson
you're funny, why so butthurt, why give a fuck if you truly believe what u say, nobody rly is listening its only beginning
Dylan Evans
Your opinion It’s not evil, it’s survival, the way of nature,
James Williams
>another high school tier atheism “argument” Lol what is free will
David Mitchell
no. i took their life essence and put it inside me for my life essence. that's textbook definition of theft
Julian Wright
I think that is a meaningless question. As I stated earlier, on metaphysical level free will ceases to mean anything. "Will" is not any more quantifiable than "freedom" is. You can either have or not have free will, depending on your exact construction of the concept.
Isaac Young
In your opinion
Jack Perez
How did you verify this? What is "life essence" to you?
Parker Johnson
Elaborate I like where this is going
Henry Cook
what isn't opinion to you...
Carson Reyes
>Why does homelessness exist? Because greed and hoarding exists. I could let the rest go but seeing this makes me think you are proper retarted. Most pre-agricultural/pre-contact native peoples were homeless nomads. Were cavemen homeless because of some greedy hoarding uber-caveman? You utter sperg.
Colton Martin
I’ve found a lot of freedom in abandoning the idea of freewill
Hudson Nelson
No you misunderstand one option free will which in turn makes anything man want to do possible also what would be the point of a world where only good things are garunteed to happen because you personally know god is real? Life is a test to measure you by how will you deal with the hard times in life also if there are no bad times how will you realise the good times?
Parker Clark
confirmed dipshit
Julian Price
Moral questions generally are opinionated Killing is fact, whether that killing is just is opinion
Elijah Moore
>God fucked up Another bitter atheist making us serous atheists look like assholes.
Does a mentally Ill person have responsibilities for their action?
Adam Gomez
You sure are cunt
Jack Rogers
You say that power is the only arbiter of good and evil. Many things orbit good and evil, but power is not one of those. Power that serves anything else than itself stops being power. Good and evil, on the other hand, CAN serve power, and often do. Good and evil are perhaps the most natural servants of power.
As in rejecting the freedom of will, or rejecting the question of free will?
Kevin Clark
If I was the strongest thing in the universe, would I not be the one who decides right from wrong?
Elijah Young
God didn't create this world to coax your little baby ass into life. Temptations and evil exist as a test for a mans character. This a world of survival not simple comfort. If life was all fairy rainbow bullshit it would be quite dull and pointless.
Gabriel Rodriguez
I'd say its all about genetics. God created the first DNA, and from there it evolved on its own. Your shitty life is the direct result of poor eugenic choices your ancestors made. Could God have made our DNA a little better probably, but it is what it is.
Noah Richardson
If a mentally ill person steals because of there mental illness, are they to be held accountable for that sin?
Oliver Cox
Flat Earth/10 IQ level.
Wrong. Evolution doesn't need evil nor does the universe. I have already made my points. Having the possibility of birth defects and blindness doesn't add depth to the universe, it takes away.
You've clearly lost your mind. I mean that genuinly. Did I mention how insanity shouldn't exist? Oh I already did.
Why didn't you just tell me that I need to get laid. Sex: because thinking and asking questions is a problem that needs to be solved.
I’m just disappointed that as large American gentleman you have the thinking capacity of a pop tart
Isaiah Baker
i can't believe you're implying that your IQ is even close to OP's
the hubris!
Lincoln Cooper
Morally of legally? What is the degree of mental illness? what is the degree of aggravation or scale of the theft?
I would be inclined to default to say yes because you mentioned this in respect to sin, which supposed that God is the ultimate arbiter of this situation and God judges man by all his actions not just the ones we like.
Isaiah Thomas
go away abbo
Mason Nguyen
Believing there is only one god is sand nigger tier religion. What do you think god is anyway? A person?
Asher Rivera
Oh lol, I confused "arbiter" with "orbiter", as in something that orbits an object. Considering this, what I said probably makes little sense.
