what's your argument against socialism besides your fear of """white genocide""", whatever the fuck that means?
what if there was only """white people""" on earth, why would you oppose socialism?
more often than not, people who hate socialism don't even know what they're talking about and use retarded misconceptions from the cold war era (capitalist propaganda) as """arguments"""
I like the West
>an argentinian handwaving white genocide
I knew the meme was never true.
>what's your argument against socialism
History: South America (Venezuela, Cuba), almost every African country has attempted Socialist policies, Soviet Union and Mao's China.
>Real socialism has never been tried!
You can't spell socialism without authoritarianism and theft.
as opposed to what? what are you implying?
Venezuela isn't a socialist country, and all the other countries you mentioned got exponentially better due to socialism.
>Real socialism has never been tried!
I've literally only seen you retards use this as an argument, as if any socialist ever said that.
what makes you say that?
National socialism is the only viable choice for a economic system what require a high level of trust
No amount of multicultural kike propaganda will ever change the distrust that is created in a multiracial community
Red is my least favourite colour. If communism was magenta I would not mind it.
White genocide is my main fear of marxist socialism. If there were no non white on earth, I would probably be less apprehensive to socialism. You can recover quite easily from an ideological change, but mass immigration and ethnic displacement/replacement is almost impossible to come back from.
Socialism is always bad. Always. People here who say things like “socialism would work just fine if we were an all-white country” are mentally retarded and completely ignorant about economics
This this and this
Socialism would preserve the white race. White people have kids if their future income is secured. Capitalism on the other way has seen the decline of the white population as jobs went overseas,jobs,overtimes,wage increase were cut so the company could save money and give it to the share holders.
"Right" Free Market and anti-socialism advocates are the equivalent of the Leftists pushes immigration,blinded by ideology and no regard/care for the consequences of who it affects.
t. kike
First and for most, lack of private property, also indsutry owned by state doesnt work at all, social welfere is idiotic, they take your money and give not to someone that accualy needs it, but to some piece of shit who is to lazy to work
>what's your argument against socialism besides your fear of """white genocide"""
people who make this argument dont even know what socialism is, you shouldn't be asking them questions they are just retards.
It violates the NAP.
>National socialism is the only viable choice for a economic system what require a high level of trust
alright now try in intelligible English please
>No amount of multicultural kike propaganda will ever change the distrust that is created in a multiracial community
have you read OP? I think you might be retarded, like for real.
not sure if joking or really dumb
>but mass immigration and ethnic displacement/replacement is almost impossible to come back from
socialism has nothing to do with that.
do you have an actual argument or are you going to regurgitate retarded phrases like "muh basic economy"?
>Venezuela isn't a socialist country, and all the other countries you mentioned got exponentially better due to socialism.
Care to explain what Venezuela is then? Also China got better because it became extreme capitalist.
>Some retards in the west unironically wanting socialism and communism.
It's like you've learned nothing from history.
I agree but some industrys need to be owned by the state like water,roads,energy etc.
Houses are now commodities which many cant afford. You need some sort of socialism not everyone wants to be a CEO in the city..
there is no such thing as socialism, or capitalism, everyone fundamentally looks out for themselves. The only difference is socialist leaders lie in order to gain what they don't deserve.
Tell me where socialism has ever improved anyone’s quality of life. Until you can do that, I don’t need an argument
>lack of private property
how is this a bad thing?
>also indsutry owned by state doesnt work at all
do you have any explanation for this or just this statement?
>social welfere is idiotic
not sure what you mean by social welfare, while most of us advocate for state funded healthcare and full education, this is not socialism, it's something else, socialism is just the abolition of extraction of surplus value (abolition of private property).
I know but I'm really bored right now.
Because what I earn should be mine alone.
A centralized government seizing control of private businesses and regulating wealth distribution. An authoritarian act of theft.
Fundamentally I believe weak redistribution is amoral.
What gives you the right to decide what "too much" money is?
Not all labor adds equal value.
If you say that doctors should earn as much as janitors, nobody is going to invest the time and effort to become a doctor
There are no "l"s in authoritarianism
Wealth*
Cuba has a higher life expectancy than your country.
picrelated for the USSR.
like what?
what the fuck are you even talking about
When did america "become" a capitalist state.
I see this argument coming from the left a lot, like this is some binary choice between capitalism and communism.
So if this is the case when did america make the decision
Marxist theories on economics are laughably retarded (eg. labor theory of value).
>what's your argument against socialism besides your fear of """white genocide""", whatever the fuck that means?
After the USSR fell,in the late 90s Hedge Funds came in the started to clean up Wall Street.
They don't work. That's what.
Every attempt has ended in failure in regards to it's intended goals, even that is the best case scenario. More usual outcome is completely authoritarian state where few hold all the power and rest are equal in misery.
Russia and eastern Europe is still feeling the effects of that last attempt at Marxist ideology around here.
>muh doctors and janitors
we know there's a difference between individuals, Marx addressed this himself 143 years ago in the Critique of the Gotha programme.
if you prefer to be a janitor that's because you don't want to be doctor, and in your case with your mentaliy, being a janitor is everything you'd amount to, that's you.
>What gives you the right to decide what "too much" money is?
do you even know what you're talking about? that's not what we're doing.
what do you think socialism is?
what do you mean by "regulating wealth distribution"? what is that exactly?
see, this is one of those retarded missconceptions.
nobody would take your things.
your stuff would be yours in socialism, what you make is yours, no capitalist pig can take it from you just because they own the means of production you're using.
Then what was america before this if not a capitalist state?
Maybe we should begin the discussion by defining terms.
What is capitalism?
Cuba sends doctors more into the world for humanitarian aide then any other country.
also the soviets had the superior space program inb4 the US moving the goal post to land on the moon ,which had little to no scientific or economic significance
was this post supposed to mean anything at all?
1776?
and do you have an argument against it or just this empty statement?
>what do you think socialism is
Socialism is state ownership of certain industries.
Communism is the forceful confiscation of machinery and real estate by workers.
The combination of the two is state run industry.
And core to all of these is the concept of wealth redistribution.
But to redistribute wealth we must first decide whos wealth gets redistributed.
But communism didnt exist in 1776, so it wasn't really a choice
The thing is nigger is that communism was always forced, I don't want my bosses job because I'm fine being a blue-collar worker and I make a good sum of money anyways. Believe it or not, everyone isn't the same and YOU don't speak for us so quit trying to bring people down to your own misery.
>what do you mean by "regulating wealth distribution"?
To put it simply;
>Tax
then
>Handouts
then maybe
>Elimination of class as the end goal
Theft is fundamental to Socialism. Freedom can't be sustained with it. And the authoritarian nature of Socialism is why Communism never works.
Socialism is theft. Why should some niggers get my money?
Get fucked, commie spic
see, you don't know shit, I'm not being pedantic or condescending here, but you clearly don't know shit so I'll explain this to you:
Socialism isn't "when the government does stuff", that's retarded.
Capitalism: private property (whomever owns the means of production can hire people to work this means of production on a wage so that he can make money off his employees)
Socialism: collective ownership (there's nobody individually owning means of production that somebody else uses, so workers get paid the full value of their labour, unlike in capitalism where the private owner gets most of the value produced by him)
Communism: final stage of socialism, there's no money, no social classes, and no state.
government has nothing to do with socialism, you can have a state or not and still have socialism (difference between Marxism and Anarcho communism)
there.
America before was a Capitalist state but it had a huge sense of Nationalism.
After Henry Ford had paid back his investors in the 1920s he tried to use the companies profit to expand the business,lower the product prices while increasing the wage of his workers and hiring more workes with new plants he planned on building which was feasible and what was left would be given to the shareholders, but his share holders disagreed and sued him and the outcome was share holders interests must come before the communitys.
Capitalism can be good but the society must have a healthy sense of community and more important be humble.
so why isn't every country that has taxes authoritarian? most countries will put you in jail or limit your freedom if you don't pay taxes.
It's morally wrong to threaten people with violence to and extort from them anything.
If you want a state, you're supporting evil. Now that you know supporting the state is evil, if you support it, you're evil.
what you described has nothing to do with socialism, you can have taxes in either a socialist society or in a capitalist one, fuck even in feudalism there were taxes.
to understand what socialism and communism are read this explanation
i agree, the government using my wages to pay for cops & an imperialist military is theft
>argentine
>white genocide
Not something you need worry about, negroid
Now get in the helicopter, we're dropping you on the falklands
nobody would get your money wtf, are you people all retarded?
Centralize authority is not and will not ever function as long as people like me exist that want to have the right to self-determination.
You will have to find and kill all the people like me.
It is shit, I have been there and seen it. What are your arguments against eating shit besides poisoning and general disgust? There are none, so shut up and eat your turd.
It's a subjective matter of severity. Every country that taxes is stealing from their people, and in that sense are authoritarian in nature. But it's state control in a mostly free market.
Socialism takes it to the extreme. Complete state control of the market.
>picrelated
Yeah, they also increased cp frequency from zero to nearly a hundred millions. Imagine that.
i honestly respect wild men and shit who have this belief and can live off the land and really don't participate in society or use things like roads or firefighters etc... if you're one of those guys more power to you. don't pay taxes you don't receive anything in return
but you're most likely (correct me if i'm wrong) some guy who hates the fact that someone is able to get food stamps and has a no steppy snake flag and loves the troops and cops
I don't care about third parties, I care about the thievery. It's wrong. Violent and wrong. Morally reprehensible.
>It's morally wrong to threaten people with violence to and extort from them anything.
it's morally wrong to economically exploit an entire class like the owners of the means of production do with the workers.
>If you want a state, you're supporting evil. Now that you know supporting the state is evil, if you support it, you're evil.
no, I just want socialism.
there's already a centralized authority in your country.
stealing implies you get nothing back, taxes pay for shit and if you live in a real democracy the government will use taxes for the needs of the people. All states and countries are an agreement among a group of people to limit there own freedom in order to secure certain rights.
there is legit argument that making murder illegal is a infringement on peoples natural freedoms. but most people wouldn't want to live in such chaos.
yes. Americans are taught in publicly funded schools that the government providing services is always inefficient and mostly immoral. but please stand for the pledge of allegiance
taxes are not theft you fucking autist.
it's what pays for the most basic infrastructure like roads, street lighting, sewage systems, firemen, police, etc.
all things that we all use, it's much more efficient if the state administrates infrastructure, this should include universal healthcare and all levels of education.
you're getting your money back, retard.
what third parties?
Marx is a faggot
1- The worker must own his means of production and his production
2- The worker may not own his means of production and must give his production away to everyone else.
1. Capitalism robs the family, destroys the woman, and squashes innovation.
2. To destroy capitalism we must destroy the family, remove gender distinctions, and limit all production risks.
Damn it you're fucking dense.
>what makes you say that?
Maybe he's referring to the hundreds of times people tried to create "true" socialism and the fact that it always ends up in an authoritarian mess with mass killings? Could that be his objection?
literally wat
well what you said is wrong so
Taxes are theft.
At least America has schools, Abdullah
lol where does Marx talk about gender?
thats right if you're a worker in a marxist society your aren't allowed to have anything! no one is allowed to have anything. everyone has to use one big toilet as well.
>literally wat
Yea, that is exactly what someone who sells Marx must say to think he's anything except an agitator.
Quran forbids communism you fucking poser
It sounds great on paper, but as soon as even a tiny bit of corruption or human greed/error makes it's way in, the whole thing fucking implodes.
no seriously wtf were you talking about? your post didn't make any sense at all.
Hitler and Stalin were Socialists. Currently most of the cucked countries in Yurope are socialist. America ia becoming more socialist and its getting polluted
Socialism is the Jew's tool to destroy civilization. No one is entitled to the same shit as you. No one is equal
It doesn't work
Taxes aren't Socialism either
>Taxes are theft
no they aren't and even if they were, socialism isn't "taxes lmao", you retards are tiresome.
Communism/Socialism are just terrible systems. I don't know where you think being white factors in.
Marx is a faggot
1- The worker must own his means of production and his production
2- The worker may not own his means of production and must give his production away to everyone else.
1. Capitalism robs the family, destroys the woman, and squashes innovation.
2. To destroy capitalism we must destroy the family, remove gender distinctions, and limit all production risks.
Damn it you're fucking dense.
so public schools (that funded by taxes, which "are theft") are a good thing? and tons of muslim countries have public schools its a pillar of islam to pay into your community. but i'm not arguing on behalf of Islam which is as repressive any other belief system.
but marxism would indicate a secular government so that doesn't matter really
hell ya NPC keep spamming
I know, I said it several times in this thread already.
Hitler was not a socialist, as soon as he took power the first thing he did, LITERALLY the first thing he did was kill all of the socialists from the Nazi party.
>Currently most of the cucked countries in Yurope are socialist
there are no socialist countries in Europe.
>America ia becoming more socialist and its getting polluted
no it isn't.
yes, I read your post the first time, it just doesn't make sense, what the fuck are you even talking about?
most right wing conspiracy generally tie into ideas about white genocide, and Anti-Semitic values. George Soros and the like.
You say I'm spamming when you're literally selling the philosophy of a paramount spinner.
Marx is a faggot
1- The worker must own his means of production and his production
2- The worker may not own his means of production and must give his production away to everyone else.
1. Capitalism robs the family, destroys the woman, and squashes innovation.
2. To destroy capitalism we must destroy the family, remove gender distinctions, and limit all production risks.
Damn it you're fucking dense.
They are all words from Marx's writings.
Taxes are literally theft.
If I don't consent to you taking my money, and you still take it, it is theft. I don't trust the government enough to handle my money, therefore I should choose what I pay for.
can you please provide source to these writings by Marx?
>National Socialist isnt a Socialist
Ok bud
>there are no socialist countries in Europe.
Wrong. Free universal healthcare is socialism
>no it isn't.
Welfare is socialism you fucking retard
Stupid fucking beaner
In order for a society to be socialist the gov/people must own the means of production. Public schools are a service. Socialism was tried in Venezuela, Cuba, and the USSR when the governments seized the means of production.
Also, every government service in the world's successful nations is propped up by a capitalist system.
Socialism is rape and Capitalism is consensual sex
You can start with his critique of Capitalism in Das Kapital.
basic syllogism.
theft is universally immoral. socialism requires theft. thus, socialism is immoral. check mate. now fuck off
selling and spamming aren't the same thing, big guy. if you love capitalism so much you should know this.
Prove his it is wrong. Every attempt at socialism which succeeded on a large scale devolved into a mass murdering authoritarian regime. See USSR, China, Vietcong, North Korea, Somalia, etc.
if you don't want to pay taxes then you are absolutely allowed to not do so and go live like a savage in the jungle, you're not allowed to use anything paid for by the state.
that includes (as I said earlier) the most basic infrastructure like roads, street lighting, sewage systems, firemen, police, etc.
Socialism is not a conspiracy though. People are afraid of it because it always leads to starvation and poverty
"which one of Marx's thousands of pages of absolute provocateur and agitating writings tells me the basics of his ideas?"
Um. Yea, that's part of why he was so effective. He buried his blatant hypocritical bullshit behind layers of baffling bulllshit.
But these remain core, obvious contradictions of his cause:
1- The worker must own his means of production and his production
2- The worker may not own his means of production and must give his production away to everyone else.
1. Capitalism robs the family, destroys the woman, and squashes innovation.
2. To destroy capitalism we must destroy the family, remove gender distinctions, and limit all production risks.
if national socialist were socialist, then Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) is a perfecting functioning Democratic Republic. it's in the name how can it not be?
please provide me source for a definition that points out "socialism is free universal healthcare" or "socialism is welfare", or did you literally just make it up like the little retard that you are?
I already know the answer by the way, here's an explanation of socialism for retards like you so you can't?
superb.