We got to cut off Italy from the EU, German minister suggests

Glad to hear another italian with common sense

I thought Britain leaving the EU would make it even more prosperous?! Aren't you the very Jerry who said the UK was a net deficit to the EU? How does the UK leaving possibly diminish the EUs financial commitments to the poorer countries?

Why is she teleporting behind herself?

Seems as though Britain and Italy should be the best of friends.

We have no debt with Germany. We saved their banks (during Greece crisis) they (EU) are in debt with us.

If Italy leaves the EU, then the EU is all over. Italy is not like Greece where they can bully, lie and threaten like they did with us. Italy is the 3rd largest national economy in the eurozone and the 8th largest in the world. If they kick out Italy who are they gonna be left with? France is already on its last legs politically with that banker dog Macron, and then they have their usual lackeys, Netherlands and the baltics. Which are also not as big economies.

Don't fall for the German propaganda and threatening tactics Italbros, they do this all the time with us, yet even when we told them to fuck off they bought off the entire political system here.

Give source, faggot.

Leave the stinking mess Luigi and crash the whole thing with no survivors.

The "debt" I was referring to was the leaving fee like the brits have to pay to leave

>the southern Europeans will want to carry in their socialism
We basically have no welfare, what the fuck are your politicians smoking

Bongs are paying no fees, these are all eurocrats threats based on nothing (but supported by mainstream media).
I'm not saying there will be no economic ripercussion if we leave the euro, but they will last no longer than 3 months. This EU scam is a trap built by the Franco-Germans (Frenchs are now completely cucked by Ger) to dominate all Europe. Say thanks to all traitors who govt us till now. Our parents voted for the worst politicians since Caligula times.

You got money by Germany because you're too retarded to manage what you had. So dont complain you fegget.

The UK leaving increases the weight of the socialist deadbeats, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, Sweden, Belgium and to some extend France vs. the free market, responsible countries the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia and Austria.

BBC

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46302931

>Germany will have an italian debt that will be paid with the shitty lira
In the unlikely event that we finally leave the (((EU))), how are they going to make us pay our debts, short of a military action? Once we're free from this cage, their threats will be worth just about as much as mine.

Argentina, it’s just going to be a neverending bsnkruptcy.

well if the corrupt eu didn't flood the UK with gypsies and poles etc ,we may have voted remain

The only thing Argentine export is onions. We're on balance surplus (we export more than we import) since 20 years. Also Argentina was pegged to US dollar when they bankrupt (you cant print foreign money). Stay rekt kraut, your media are telling you lies since forever. You're economically cucked by your elites (there are still train who run with diesel in Berlin lol) beyond repair.

>onions
I mean s o y of course. Fuck filters.

Hope you like olive oil and Ferraris

French love their onions...........

Now a good scenario would be a pact between Italy and Russia negating oil and natural gas for Germany... think it will happen one day? I do...

Germans showing their true colours this week.

Especially the black and the red lol

we all know you're favourite color is white

Do you know what "sanctions" means? Italy won't export shit in the European Union, trust me Abdul.

>Reeee why do we have to lose the country that pays half the bills and (theoretically) wants to have borders...
>...instead of the one with massive unemployment and evil nationalism!

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As if we want to give u something other than niggers

"Sanctions" means free political arguments for Salvini to reach 40%.

Sorry meant lost french tourists

eu needs to end tbqh

I feel like italys relation to ancient rome and renessanse culture makes non-italians place exaggerated expectetions on the them
In reality its just a warm country full of lazy people who like to jesticulate while speaking and cheese with tomatoes, and they are totally ok like that

when we leave with a hard brexit the eu's days are numbered, fact..

Niggers work more than italians
Who give a fuck about Salvine?

>military action
>Germany
They can barely supply training equipment to their troops, I don't think you have to worry about that. If I recall you have pretty well trained mountaineer troops, crossing the Alps for the Germans would be a massacre.

Germany is a paper tiger.

Who knows what the fuck will happen in the following years, our economy politics have earned us the US' (Trump's) praise and camaraderie, you could say? That mentioned, we also are one of the greatest partners with Russia and want to delete their sanctions, are we sure these things will fit together with time?

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Apparently most of nu-europe gives fuck all about our future and are ready to side with Bruxelles' (and Germany's) hegemony if they ain't getting something out of it (not saying they should feel sympathetic about anybody but themselves, but I expected a different view of the whole commercial union meme). I believe we have nothing to look forward to but our own self-sustainability, even more so if the leaving Europe thing comes to fruition. Then, in the unlikely case we gain back the arm and leg we had to give away, we can flip off all the faggots who didn't believe we could be a strategic partner for their shambles of an EU.

It's all just wishful thinking at this point.

The EU needs the UK more than vice versa. Get on with brexit already you lazy bongs

It is wishful thinking...... Oh well better pray god or kek or whatever the moral of all this shitshow is that if we leave the eu germany & co. will be no more...

EU's job is done.
Let Eastern European countries stand on their own feet again if you want a barrier from Russia. Forming a weak EU council monarchy isn't sustainable.

Deutschland, bitte.

Throw us out first. C'mon. It'll be funny.

>EU shill calls Belgium deadbeats
>Forgets the only reason we're a net loss is because of EU's infrastructure is housed inside our borders

Don't blame us for money you're wasting, fag.

>me and my satellites are right, the rest is wrong
t.Kraut
If it wasnt for the EU and its regulations not only would you have more market competition and tariffs against you, you would also have a strong german mark and your exports would be harder to sell.

Ssh don't talk about the Alpini.

I would also like to point out that Macron is a cuck and most French politicians love a good kraut buttfuck up the ass now and then.
UK is based as ever.

pretty sure Italy defaults on those German loans, good luck trying to collect

according to ex cia analyst Italy will come out of the EU for the better in the long term.
zeihan.com/i-think-they-get-it-now-part-cinque-italy/

GROTESQUE. The only the thing that is grotesque Hanz, is the fact that you pig Latin speaking cunts are still attempting to destroy Europe.

Third time is the charm I guess.

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>shitty lira (the old italian money)
I am prepared for the eventual crumbling on the EU and for the Euro to go the way of the dodo.

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Not everything in the link is right but it's the best approximation u could have of italy I guess...

absolutely A E S T H E T I C

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Thanks. Quite interesting.
Especially the part where one "senior politician" in Berlin told her that Macron is "a charlatan". A completely correct assessment.

The rest has that typical Anglo view on Germany in it. I don't want to reveal what it is but they are very mistaken and are judging our actions from a wrong perspective.

fpbp, eu supremacists can rot in hell

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>Italy
>socialist
Jesus Christ dude I seriously think you're smoking too much Volkswagen emission fume

Pssh nothing personnel EU

hahah 4th reich is crumbeling before our eyes-

Our own establishment are back stabbing traitors who sent (((Olly Robbins))) a arch-Remainer to do the (((negotiations))) with the EU, effectively keeping us in it forever. They supply radical jihadis, house White Helmets, raise non-EU immigration all while saying the opposite. The Tories are debating on how fucked they are next election or whether constant MSM shilling for another vote, straight up remaining or just flat out lying constantly will leave the general public apathetic to the whole political process.

They wheel May out as a stonk YESSS QUEEN SLAAAAY with her pre-planned speech, all practiced constantly beforehand, outright lying about what we can see in the Deal in plain writing. 2/3rd’s of the MP’s are remainers and her Deal will go through binding any Leaver the Tories wheel out to plaicate the electrate or Comrade Corbyn who will only mess it up more.

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What happened to the Italian economy? Why was the Eu so bad for them?

>/zeihan
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You my friend are a fucking idiot.

Let me guess... maybe and I dare say, maybe, it's because it's a foreign currency.... the euro I mean.... and other factors may be involved but this one is the first that came on my mind rn

You have still that strange alliance with England going? Exchanging wine for cloth?

>you pig Latin speaking cunts
>Chinese education

Only Wallonia.

It is only 350B usd that italy owns to the rest of the world, even if the lira's are shitty the debt will inflate in lira terms until it is worth the same amount of goods and services that are owned by Italy.

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325B usd*

They can’t inflate the lira like they used to when they got into bother. Which made their exports cheap.

If it is the Euro why does Italy still have a current account surplus?

That's why I said that it'll be counterproductive for the germs and affiliates

Its a German ponzy scheme

Zero sum game, every dollar that came off france, uk and italys economys topped up the german economy

Much like how USA forces weaker countries to trade oil in US dollars to top up their economy. Very dishonest. Germany has alot to answer for

Which made their exports cheap
expensive*
When you inflate your currency your exports become cheap, not being able to inflate your currency makes your exports expensive. But Italy still has a trade surplus.

A surplus? lol

No it does not matter really, the EU will get the same amount of goods and services back from Italy, no matter the exchange rate. Assuming no arbitrage on the financial markets.

Current account surplus of 60B usd (pic related) And a trade surplus of 53B usd

statista.com/statistics/263624/trade-balance-of-goods-in-italy/

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based pasta, good luck neighbour

56B usd*

You need to account the time in the equation, yes they'll get everything they say we need to "pay" this debt, fee whatever... but here's a catch it may take a lot of time, so much that the time they lost on enforcing the fee, sanction etc. they'll lose in the long run and we will prevail, imposing an elimination of said debt

>half the bills

12% isn’t half

What u want to get us to 0usd cause your hole of a coutry isn't even on the list? Pathetic

Send Berlusconi to talk with Putin and it's done.

>so much that the time they lost on enforcing the fee, sanction etc
Ok yeah that is not how this shit works, every debt structure accounts for, inflation,opportunity cost, probability of default, this is called the intrest rate. It is also not the case that Italy will be forced to pay their net outstanding debts, since most of these external debts are private and not public and these contracts will be unchanged, the only thing that changes is that they have to account for an exchange rate.

And as i said before Italy only has an NIIP (total assets owned by Italians in the rest of the world minus total assets owned by foreigners in Italy) of only 325B usd on a GDP of 2000B (2T) usd.

That old hag has lost his charm unfortunately

>Leave the stinking mess Luigi and crash the whole thing with no survivors.
To do a good job we need your help. Now they hate us, with the constant blows we are making them want to see us burn like Greece. To get out of this shark cage we need Trump's help, otherwise we will have to compromise and Germany will save

> cause your hole of a coutry isn't even on the list? Pathetic
We are number 4 on the list excluding the EU since it is not a nation. And we are currently number 3 in the world China has tanked (pic related).

>What u want to get us to 0usd
Why would i care, my only point is that if it was the Euros fault because Italy could not deflate it's currency and therefor became incompetable in global trade. you would not expect Italy to have the 10th highest trade surplus in the world.

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the noble people of finland pledge their alliance to emperor salvini

>Who give a fuck about Salvine?
Ask to Macron, he almost sent him into depression

The main problem Italy has is its low birth rate, therefor capital can't make good a good ROI back home and it leaves the country.

U know what? Since it's time I sincerely hope that they kick us out and then IF you are right then we will talk about this again if you want, but if I'm right don't come here and expect that we will help u with taking the sea away alright?

Germany's leaders are losing their fucking minds now that country after country is opting out of their diversity death cult and taking their countries back. This shit is too funny.

you already know what comes after weimar

Agreed. If Italy leaves I will go out of my way to choose Italian goods if I can't find something similar from the UK.

Germans bought out the Italian companies and moved them to Germany. Most of these companies were centered in the southern portion of Italy which exacerbates the Terroneism problem.

Just leave and refuse to pay the denbts. Declare war, then immediately sue for white peace