Today we examine paragraphs 77-113 of 'Industrial Society and Its Future', a.k.a. The Unabomber Manifesto.
In this passage, Kaczynski asserts that increasing levels of technology necessarily means a loss of freedom. In order to maintain a technologically advanced society, the people running it have to take freedoms away.
Freedom is defined as having power over one's life, without supervision from some authority. Kaczynski contends that it is this loss of freedom that is the cause of much of the depression and low self-esteem in the West.
He also contends that we're not really in control of history. What happens to us is the combination of long-term trends plus some random factor that swings back and forth. Society has evolved, because it is too complex to be wilfully organised.
I like Uncle Ted, and I think a majority of his points are sound. The power principle being unexercised, leading to feelings of emptiness and lacking fulfillment, is one example.
However, the conclusion that he draws of returning to a primitive lifestyle is fucking retarded. Yes, we should know how to live off the land and survive just in case, but not intentionally shun all innovation.
Where do you draw the line? Log cabins are an innovation. Should we live in beaver huts like desert niggers? Our destiny is to create a Galactic Reich, not squander our ingenuity relearning a million years worth of evolutionary lessons.
Anthony Thomas
What is his solution? Surely he doesn't want to go back to the stone age.
Nicholas Lopez
That's basically his solution. Although, it could be said he advocates specifically for a return to pre-industrial civilization. So, log cabins.
Jacob Stewart
I don't have the manifesto, can you post the passage?
Joshua Phillips
Wasn't Ted a crossdressing trap??
Carter Jones
Western society peaked in the bronze age. We no longer live lives pursuing spiritual and intellectual growth, instead we pursue material comfort.
We need to balance technological advancement with pursuits of intellectual progress. We will never make it to the point of colonizing space if we don't, we'll simply continue to pursue quick and easy material comforts until higher intellect is no longer necessary for survival and it fades away.
Ethan Wright
Oh shit, this is a shill thread!!! Run for it boys!!!
Nolan Brown
all people should know how to survive in the absence of civilization, this is just species insurance. however, to ignore our collective potential is to doom the human race to irrelevance and eventual extinction on a floating ball of mud in the middle of nowhere
Luke James
that was essentially what he wanted. i can't argue with the practicality of his solution, however such an existence ultimately makes human life meaningless. personally i would prefer extinction
Jordan Jenkins
Oh I wholeheartedly agree. Innovation needs to be curbed by a collective weltanschauung that works for the good of all the Volk. Unironically National Socialism fulfills that requirement.
Exactly
Carson Sanders
Ted basically said that for us to ever get of this planet you will not be human anymore
Nathan Gutierrez
>Where do you draw the line? It doesn't matter where you draw the line, as long as you draw it somewhere, and now. The reason we have no control is because we keep progressing so fast, we don't have the time to catch up with methods of preserving our privacy and freedoms. Draw the line right now on this date, no more advancement, and instead we will work on strengthening security and encryption instead and criminalizing companies that put backdoors in for govt agencies.
he wasn't wrong. the human race will never leave this solar system, we simply aren't built for it. our only hope is to push humanity to evolve into something better
Parker Ross
Why do you think so few are ever selected to be sent beyond the reach of Earth's gravity? They are the first Ubermensch, an unspoken eugenics campaign.
Isaac Torres
Yeah but that will never happen. Give me a plausible means of accomplishing that goal. Ted did very little infrastructure damage with his bombing campaign, and his ideaology only reached those willing to listen, not those in power
Cameron Parker
>can travel hundreds of kilometers per day >can only hover for a few minutes yep, hate to do it but i have to call bullshit
Landon Bailey
Dr. Jew Kike Khazar Ray Kurzweil cited this manifesto as an entry to one of his chapters in his work, "The Age of Spiritual Machines."
Read it yourself. God damn. You people need to read this shit for yourselves, not just wait for us to say the same things over and over about it for a decade or two.
Leo Martin
Who says it couldn't travel hundreds of kilometers in a few minutes?
>t. Jewish Khazar Kikel trying to subvert thread by aggressively asserting no one in the thread has read the manifesto, when nothing to indicate that has been said.
Need to work on your shill-skillz shlomo
Christopher Thomas
Understandably, in the (((post-war))) paradigm, a few tokens are admitted to the program. They are few, and they often fail. Mars City will still need janitors, after all.
this post is entirely why (((they))) want Jow Forums destroyed. constructive criticism of anti-government activities must never be tolerated for order to be maintained
Brody Kelly
Primitivism is untenable, even at lower stages of tech development you have massive empires. What you really have to do is create techs that facilitate decentralization and privacy, like encryption, blockchain, the Internet, and solar energy.
Jack Scott
Oh, oy vey. It's the evil satanic talmudic khazar jews. I didn't want to press on that, but you're welcome to oy vey about it.
Nathaniel Clark
I've been meaning to read it and keep forgetting to. I tend to enjoy reading controversial works anyway by infamous Americans. Already read Charles Manson and Columbine related things.
Robert Bailey
I haven't read it, but I've been told that that Manley P. Hall book would be where to start. I never wanted to get in to all this shit, but I guess we're surrounded by, well, I guess satanic cults.
Maybe the robots will just eventually continue on without us and we just enter chill mode. We lose the drive to perpetually progress and we just live.
Parker Russell
regardless of the current standard of technological development the masses will be held at a different standard than the elite. the only viable strategy is standardized education to ensure that the elite never gain technologic superiority to the peasantry
Brayden Perry
NO, YOU'RE A JEW!!!
Jason Rogers
Are you anti-disposed to call out the Khazars for what they are?
Mason Perry
Yeah, and why the same slide threads propagate day after day. Nothing ever gets accomplished REEEing about white girls twerking or whatever. We need to work on practical solutions to real world problems if we want to get anywhere.
Sebastian Anderson
What practical solutions, you Trotskyite mongoloid golem?
Joseph Gomez
and people laugh when they hear the word 'polish intellectual'
Wyatt Garcia
What we really need is a global technocracy that forces people to live in primitive conditions at threat of laser vaporization.
Oh wait...
Julian Adams
So we enforce the ones who enforce our every move to not enforce us anymore. Is that tautology, or just ignorant?
So what do you propose with regard to this technocracy? Can you explain this or even recommend a book about it?
I'm here to talk with you.
Gavin Myers
People often confuse the function of Jow Forums with that of a council of elders reflecting on the nature of the universe. This place is a human water mill, where the people are connected by the torso the the base of it, with their heads facing outwards and mouths open. Below lies a river of the deepest blackest shit you've ever seen and it drives the water mill by filling the mouths of the butchered men strapped to it. When these poor souls reach the peak of their churn, gravity forced the feces down their throats.
Brayden Gutierrez
I'm afraid of what? Explain it to us.
Is this really the extent of people who don't get it? Guess what: we don't care. Just keep it coming for our entertainment.
You sound like the kind of person who thinks Israel is an ally.
lol you people are so, so, so stupid.
Caleb Bell
Oh I just advocate National Socialism. Any technology which increases the well-being of the Volk is approved and implemented. Any which impedes ecolution, whether through base degeneracy, self-gratification, etc. should be discarded.
You forgot the part where the shit comes spilling back out of their mouths, moxed with bile, on their way back up.
Who is us, who is we? Are you admitting that you're a shill, or am i speaking with The Borg?
Mason Perry
And you sound like a shill, intentionally derailing the thread by name calling and being off-topic.
>I just advocate National Socialism Good, you can die like Richard Spencer.
You people are dumber than a box of rocks, and that's a Glenn Beck Bishop saying.
Josiah Lopez
Let the Thot Patrol have their threads. This board is for discussion, not planning the Fourth Reich. If you want to plan, then you came to the wrong place.
That's pretty goddamn horrific.
Jacob Allen
>standardized education Public school is a failed project. The elite still send their offspring to private institutions while the proles are forced to pay taxes to send their children to be brainwashed into pansexual demikin heathens.
Adrian Harris
After you escape from the confines of your childhood, you have to profess your greatness.
Otherwise you can never come out as a raging homo faggot because there's nothing else in your life to derive plause from.
Why not have a discussion about planning the Fourth Reich?
Jokes aside, I think that ideologically having a system which supports both individual accomplishment and public welfare, while curtailing degenerative elements, is a better way to combat the Orwellian future than turning the civilization dial back.
Elijah Foster
Ted used technology to make bombs and his house was built of planks. He wasn't AnPrim.
There's no future of humans that don't live simply. If you can't make something yourself, you probably shouldn't rely on it for your survival. Those who get sucked into the system will become part of the Borg. Get familiar with Nick Boström and Ray Kurzweil to understand what's likely to come.
>Galactic Reich This is delusional. Not happening. You are underestimating how strong the system is if you think they are just going to let you co-opt it. You can not take over it. Either abandon the system, or embrace the system and hope that they will find your neurons useful in the technological future.
>I think that ideologically having a system which supports both individual accomplishment and public welfare, while curtailing degenerative elements, is a better way to combat the Orwellian future than turning the civilization dial back
I'm not convinced that Kaczynski had the solutions. Like Marx, his criticism is certainly on point. But his solutions? Not sure.
Ian Hill
Kaczynski explicitly says that this doesn't work. The Government giving you permission to be free is, psychologically speaking, profoundly different from actually being free.
What does Jow Forums think of Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How?
>But once self-propagating systems have attained global scale, two crucial differences emerge. The first difference is in the number of individuals from among which the "fittest" are selected. Self-prop systems sufficiently big and powerful to be plausible contenders for global dominance will probably number in the dozens, or possibly in the hundreds; they certainly will not number in the millions. With so few individuals from among which to select the "fittest," it seems safe to say that the process of natural selection will be inefficient in promoting the fitness for survival of the dominant global self-prop systems. It should also be noted that among biological organisms, species that consist of a relatively small number of large individuals are more vulnerable to extinction than species that consist of a large number of small individuals. Though the analogy between biological organisms and self-propagating systems of human beings is far from perfect, still the prospect for viability of a world-system based on the dominance of a few global self-prop systems does not look encouraging.
>The second difference is that in the absence of rapid, worldwide transportation and communication, the breakdown or the destructive action of a small-scale self-prop system has only local repercussions. Outside the limited zone where such a self-prop system has been active there will be other self-prop systems among which the process of evolution through natural selection will continue. But where rapid, worldwide transportation and communication have led to the emergence of global self-prop systems, the breakdown or the destructive action of any one such system can shake the whole world-system. Consequently, in the process of trial and error that is evolution through natural selection, it is highly probable that after only a relatively small number of "trials" resulting in "errors," the world-system will break down or will be so severely disrupted that none of the world's larger or more complex self-prop systems will be able to survive. Thus, for such self-prop systems, the trial-and-error process comes to an end; evolution through natural selection cannot continue long enough to create global self-prop systems possessing the subtle and sophisticated mechanisms that prevent destructive internal competition within complex biological organisms.
>Meanwhile, fierce competition among global self-prop systems will have led to such drastic and rapid alterations in the Earth's climate, the composition of its atmosphere, the chemistry of its oceans, and so forth, that the effect on the biosphere will be devastating. In Part IV of the present chapter we will carry this line of inquiry further: We will argue that if the development of the technological world-system is allowed to proceed to its logical conclusion, then in all probability the Earth will be left a dead planet-a planet on which nothing will remain alive except, maybe, some of the simplest organisms-certain bacteria, algae, etc.-that are capable of surviving under extreme conditions.
The theory we've outlined here provides a plausible explanation for the so-called Fermi Paradox. It is believed that there should be numerous planets on which technologically advanced civilizations have evolved, and which are not so remote from us that we could not by this time have detected their radio transmissions. The Fermi Paradox consists in the fact that our astronomers have never yet been able to detect any radio signals that seem to have originated from an intelligent extraterrestrial source. According to Ray Kurzweil, one common explanation of the Fermi Paradox is "that a civilization may obliterate itself once it reaches radio capability." Kurzweil continues: "This explanation might be acceptable if we were talking about only a few such civilizations, but [if such civilizations have been numerous], it is not credible to believe that every one of them destroyed itself" Kurzweil would be right if the self-destruction of a civilization were merely a matter of chance. But there is nothing implausible about the foregoing explanation of the Fermi Paradox if there is a process common to all technologically advanced civilizations that consistently leads them to self-destruction. Here we've been arguing that there is such a process.
The only solution is eugenics of fags. We wouldn't need to take freedoms away if we didn't have niggers kill people all the time. The other solution is reverting back to a less advanced society, but that's practical for the long term longevity of the species.
Caleb Walker
Most people on Jow Forums are unironically too small brained to understand ATR
Lucas King
beautiful mind twisted by MK Ultra.
Conclusions spot on, but some of his methods a bit unsound.
Oliver Ortiz
Where can I find people with larger brains who understand ATR?
Bentley Morris
I have not read it.
Is Amazon the only place where you can buy it paperback?
Brayden Sullivan
The big-brained people that have read and understood ATR are around. IQ's of 145 are like 1 in 10,000 so you have to signal to other big-brained people that there is an interest so that they make notes for the next time they see a Kaczynski thread.
He truly is a genius. Wish he took a more peaceful method to try and subvert people into understanding the truth instead of blowing people up though.
Isaiah Gutierrez
Being a genius doesn't make you patient.
Jacob Cox
As for our constitutional rights, consider for example that of freedom of the press. We certainly don’t mean to knock that right; it is very important tool for limiting concentration of political power and for keeping those who do have political power in line by publicly exposing any misbehavior on their part. But freedom of the press is of very little use to the average citizen as an individual. The mass media are mostly under the control of large organizations that are integrated into the system. Anyone who has a little money can have something printed, or can distribute it on the Internet or in some such way, but what he has to say will be swamped by the vast volume of material put out by the media, hence it will have no practical effect. To make an impression on society with words is therefore almost impossible for most individuals and small groups. Take us (FC) for example. If we had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted. If they had been been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it’s more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. Even if these writings had had many readers, most of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the mass of material to which the media expose them. In order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we’ve had to kill people.
>however, to ignore our collective potential is to doom the human race to irrelevance and eventual extinction on a floating ball of mud in the middle of nowhere How far do we need to go in the universe to gain relevancy? Do we need a presence on 0.000000001% of all planets in this galaxy or 0.0000000001%? Are size and quantity your only measurements for meaning?
Austin Myers
How many minutes exactly?
7000 km/h = 1.94 km/s
60s = 116.6 km 120s = 233.3 km
Jackson Phillips
I'm come to page 36 so far, this is definitely a must-read.
I think Teddy had a good enough understanding of human nature by then that he knew he couldn't just persuade the masses. He might be a genius, but not omnipotent. His work got publicity because he was the Unaboomer. Almost everyone ignored his message.
