Got into it with a liberal gun owner. They sperged out about how the NRA is pure ebil and needs to be eradicated. The NRA only supports pigs (police) and cares about money. My argument was whether you are a member or not, you should support the NRA existing as it's a major political entity in the US that helps ensure the 2nd Amendment is not neutered or destroyed. Further, if they only care about money, then they absolutely care about the 2nd Amendment and the average citizen as they will make more money from the general population than law enforcement and military alone. I don't particularly care if they are 100% for profit or 100% principled. I know the 2nd Amendment is intrinsically linked to their being. The liberal gun owner said plenty of other gun lobbyists exist and losing the NRA would have zero effect. I obviously disagree and see the political game in terms of decades and power. They cannot seem to see past an election cycle. The usual arguments ensued from them: why do you need x-size magazine, we live in the safest time ever so why would you need x, hurrr yeah the government will round us up and kill us *smugface*, thechildren.jpg, you can buy a landmine so why don't you buy landmines, etc.
It's all so tiresome.
Admittedly, I don't know much about the gun lobby / NRA. Am I off base here? Any good links, sources, arguments for the NRA / gun lobby that I am missing?
I will have the opportunity to continue the discussion soon with this person. I would like to nudge them toward the light, but idk if that's possible. They are the stereotypical NPC on FB or Twitter with typing the major talking points of the left in all caps. The strange part is they say they value the 2nd Amendment as a liberal gun owner. They own many firearms. But let's have one more kek for the road:
They said they would turn in their firearms if the government passed laws demanding such. Reminder, this person thinks the police are a government-sponsored gang that hates everyone and are ebil. The current government (Trump admin) is ebil. kek. Yes. I tried to point out the irony and extreme danger, but their brain malfunctioned. Because, you know man, we live in the best time ever and it's a super linear thing. The future can only be safer and better startrek.jpg.
Anyway, pros/cons for NRA and gun lobby at large? If the NRA disappeared tomorrow, what effects would that have in 1, 5, 10, 15, 25, 35, 50 years, etc?
hahahaha completely forgot about that. They DID mention the NRA was funding Russian hackers to meddle in our election. The NRA only cares about money etc. I mean, it's top-tier NPC stuff.
The nra is shit because they're a bunch of cucks who cave at the first opportunity. They take valuable resources that could go to groups that will actually defend our rights.
Noah Edwards
What recommendations do you have for other groups? I'd love to look into them. Should the NRA be eradicated?
He's right about them being bootlickers. The NRA of the 90s was calling out the jack-booted thugs that fantasize about killing citizens.
Besides that they are really good. One of the reasons they're so successful is that they are a real grassroots organization. Their power comes from their 5 million members and the many more people that support them and the 2nd Amendment.
Luke Phillips
The NRA has a lot of problems, but the libs/left or w/e the fuck are fucking obsessed with them. That's why its dangerous to dismantle the NRA. I am not sure the other gun lobbyist organizations will be able to fill the vacuum in a timely manner.
Nolan Diaz
What are some of your problems with them? That's my fear too. The power vacuum thing.
This. The NRA cucks out on big issues most of the time, but their mere existence is enough to trigger leftards. For that alone they are worth having around.
Gavin Rogers
Go to the GOA. I was a training counselor for the NRA for a long time (I trained instructors), and I dumped them about 6 years ago over the bureaucratic hell (they let the education department go to complete shit) and their lack of focus on what their purpose was. NRA used to be a good organization at one time and I ran basic courses at my school, but I can't justify supporting them or training for them anymore. My entire curriculum is in-house now and I won't do certs for them.
Cooper Williams
the NRA is a propaganda arm of the republican party. go to their website and tell me what you see. it's literally all tabloid-tier news fellating the GOP.
they have no interest in protecting the second amendment, only furthering the republican party agenda and lining their pockets.
Colton Moore
The NRA is just another political action committee, there is nothing special about it. They are no different than the NAACP, AARP, Brady Campaign or Planned Parenthood PAC other than their mission.
Was there a particular event or thing that made you wash your hands of the NRA?
Thanks brudda. I'll give em a look.
That's my biggest issue. Sure, more organizations are more principled and such, but they are so small. I am afraid of striking down the NRA over principles when the consequences could be much worse than living with them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing.
Gun Owners of America are based, they are the true zero compromise second amendment advocacy group, the only things the the NRA has over them are actual lobbyists and being the big meanie all the gungrabbers point to everytime they fail to pass federal legislation, I try to give equal money to both.
Brody Martin
GOA
Tyler Richardson
>Was there a particular event or thing that made you wash your hands of the NRA? When they cucked out on bump stocks. And they aren't constantly screeching how unconstitutional the current gun laws are
Michael Campbell
>Wayne LaPierre names the Je... err, I mean (((European Style Socialist))) >Should we support his organization? What did (((OP))) mean by this?
Brody Ward
Quite a few, actually- it'd be more accurate to say it was incremental leading up to it. My standards WAY exceeded the NRA curriculum, and they complained about it. I had more than one row with Larry Quandahl over it because I will not pass a student that does not meet the standard- even if they meet the soft NRA standards, if I determine the student is not ready yet, I will NOT cert them (I was twice as hard on instructor candidates). Next, there's the issue of some of the technical information in their materials being either inaccurate of flat out wrong, and there were lots of instructors constantly badgering them to change it- they never did. It never looks good to have to correct the educational materials in class up front and then explain to them why. The students always understood, but the educational dept didn't apparently give a fuck.
There were other minor things here and there, and the final straw was the online educational shit. The students could learn the course material online and then only schedule the required shooting portion in a class segment. FUCK THAT- how am I to be sure they actually fucking did the work and properly understood the material, and then expect me to take them to the range when i have NO clue whether or not they are safe or competent? That was it for me.
Ryder Foster
>There were other minor things here and there, and the final straw was the online educational shit. The students could learn the course material online and then only schedule the required shooting portion in a class segment. FUCK THAT- how am I to be sure they actually fucking did the work and properly understood the material, and then expect me to take them to the range when i have NO clue whether or not they are safe or competent? That was it for me. You sound like a sperg
Dominic Morris
But has GOA ever named the (((European Style Socialist)))?
William Davis
Thanks for clarifying pigs user.
Jacob Ortiz
Obviously you've never taught a class or understand what it takes to evaluate a student properly in these cases. Your opinion is invalid.
Matthew Green
It's another episode of "I lost an argument because I'm stupid, and I need Jow Forums to win it for me"
You should be looking on Google for answers not on Jow Forums
You lost your argument because you don't have good reasons to believe what you believe, and are a tool used by others. You're not even a sharp tool. Before you argue with anybody ever again learn WHY you believe what you believe, and don't believe in it until then. Alternatively you could kys because you're actually worthless to humanity.
Jordan James
He sounds like a damn good firearms instructor. If you would let someone teach someone else how to use a weapon properly then they had better be a fucking hardliner both mentally and in practice.
Asher Murphy
>I didn't read the OP: the post
Liam Phillips
"Admittedly, I don't know much about the gun lobby / NRA. Am I off base here? Any good links, sources, arguments for the NRA / gun lobby that I am missing?"
You're a literal retard like OP
Ian Perez
Idk about you're bum fuck state, but here the class you need to take to carry isn't to teach you safety. You should already know that. It's to teach you the law and when to shoot. The shooting portion just makes sure you're not a full blown retard
David Gray
Were you born dumb, or are you just naturally gifted? NRA course ARE basic safety and handling courses, and they are not for the state requirements- NRA certs are national level, and some states will accept a basic completion course as proof of training. That means the onus is on ME to make sure the student is properly trained. I said nothing of the intermediate and advanced courses I taught, which require preliminary testing and evaluation before I even let you in the door.
Jeremiah Price
The NRA is the worst gun rights lobby in America. Total pussies and fudds
Carson Brown
If the NRA gave a shit about the 2A, they would be constantly lobbying to get rid of the machine gun registry. But they dont
Connor Torres
>Were you born dumb, or are you just naturally gifted? Aren't those the same? BTFO YOU'RE RETARDED INSULT but nah I only half read your post. I'm at work and shit
Christopher Thomas
Holy shit, now I know why you are clueless. >no understanding of colloquial irony >has the gall to call me a retard when he uses an improper contraction in a sentence.
You should seriously have just given up while you could, before interjecting your ignorance into the conversation.
Evan Ortiz
Nra are vile Fudds and backstabbers but they need to be propped up for all our sake
Carson Parker
>full blown tard
I avoid public gun ranges unless its raining hard or snow everywhere. The private ranges are better but people are still retards, so maybe it evens out
Jonathan Williams
Agreed but d and c will be avoided. I like all the rest of the progun lobbies more but I wo t abandon the very visible NRA
