Are synthesizers the musical incarnation of post modern degeneracy? Have I been duped by the oscillating semite?

>reissue minimoog

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that black dude that played with the beatles did cool shit with keyboards over the years, he even blew through a tube into organ nd made cool bird noises

they are fun to play with, helped me get an MSEE degree

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>Moog is a Jew.
No, he isn't.

Some of the coolest noises have come from when I handed something or other to somebody who had no idea what to do with it but who got over the shyness and figured out how to make neat sounds with it. Becoming adept at something has a way of being at odds with childlike wonder and an unlimited imagination.

I think it's the mark of a success to have great capability with a tool but still be able to not get trapped into a box with it at a moment's notice when something unexpected happens.

Billy Preston
youtube.com/watch?v=s9c7AuIi7A0

Synthesis is the domain of whites and asians. I have a real hard on for FM, wavetable, and linear synthesis, which is amazing technology.

If anything, old-school subtractive synthesis is base-level shit. Straight foward and not as capable, yet sought after by the plebeian masses

Because they cant shrink fingers. Mini keys suck

It's not subtractive. It relies on interference, which is both additive and subtractive. Nigger do you even math?

>helped me get an MSEE degree
That's outrageous. It's a kit. I build shit like that from scratch, but I feel like I could never bear the course load to be an electrical engineer

youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIT3CFRaf4
check this one out

It's known as subtractive synthesis because the original signal's timbre is sculpted by removing frequencies. Dont get all autistic over a well-established colloquialism. Yes the signal can be further modulated, but it's still subtractive synthesis at it's core.

Things like that are easier than you think if you're self-taught. You'll find out that a lot of your cohort simply doesn't understand how things actually work because they've never interacted with them in the real world and they're pretty helpless beyond getting good grades in school.

I was pretty shocked going to one of the top schools in my field just how retarded most people were.

So is a fucking guitar or the very air as a transmission medium if you want to get retarded about how you define things.

>actually wasting money on a minimoog
I haven't had the time or interest to care about synthesizers for years now. Anyways, why not just have a MIDI keyboard and get something with a keybed that isn't shit?

>not using a sheep bladder hooked up to a hollow bone pipe like your ancient white ancestors did
ABSOLUTELY DEGENERATE

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Synths are based and redpilled and can create some really awesome sounds, but classical pianos still sound better overall honestly

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Okay, but we're comparing forms of synthesis in commercial synthesizers, not the medium for sound itself. All I'm saying is that the most popular synths are in fact rudimentary. The lust to advance the tech has died off, and the big breakthrough of eliminating hardware and going into software plugins has mainly led to direct emulations of the dated hardware it had replaced.

Fucking sweet.

What's wrong with rudimentary? Most musical instruments are some elaboration upon a very simple thing like a vibrating reed or a tensioned string or setting up modal resonances in a drum. Even in electronics, most of the nicest sounds come from simple things like making the electrical equivalent of a resonator or shooting electrons through a vacuum tube to control a greater flow of current and then transfixing that through a big honking transformer so you can make a specially shaped cone of paper pound away in a carefully designed room that reflects sound waves around (or absorbs them) in a carefully controlled way.

It's just basic physics writ large.

>but classical pianos still sound better overall honestly
I dont think there's a basis for comparison. Synths only have keys because it was a familiar way of interacting with an instrument.

I bet you can't even pick out every note in 10 note chord. Your ears are shit

>What's wrong with rudimentary?
Nothing, really, but it's been done to death. I mainly just miss Japanese companies sinking insane amounts of money into ludicrous hardware, because it conveyed a vision or pioneered new methods.

Also there was a focus on synthesizing the way sounds are created, not the way they're heard. That's why FM can do things subtractive cannot, like tubular bells and metalic harshness.

Go pioneer new things, then. It's usually when something new shows up that folks eventually stumble upon something that hasn't been done to death already.

I mean, I really dislike all the gross digital distortion, especially now that people stream everything with shit codecs and terrible transducers. But on the other hand if it weren't for the digital revolution, I never would have discovered that this ADSL op-amp sounds almost as transparent as a piece of wire but with somehow a very alive slant, and I wouldn't be having my own take on a gainclone amp in my main rig based on some advice from somebody who lives half the world away, as well as access via the internet to some of the big names in the industry who thought it would be fun to help out noobs as a way to share their life's work.

desu I think thats why the eurorack format is taking off recently, except now the markets flooded with 2 osc mono desktop modular synths.

Google's wavenet and similar ml-based algos will power the next generation of synthesis.

We have a very basic example in the form of nsynth at the moment, but I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that we'll see a wavenet based piano within in the next 5 years (likely 2). At the moment wavenet's sampling rate is insufficient (16khz), but if they continue progressing at the rate that they are, they should hit the 40khz+ mark soon enough.

This model will initially be better than existing soft-piano emulations such as pianoteq and on-release be on-par if not slightly better than sample based pianos. A year after that it should surpass all other methods.

At that point we should see a deluge of ml-based models of existing instruments, along with some more experimental forward looking stuff.

Yes, real redpill is a prepared piano
youtube.com/watch?v=2nfQTcrtJ6E

It's a neat trick and probably will lead to some fun stuff, but at some point you have to ask yourself why not just get a piano? I've got a really old hunk of junk in a barn and I think it's gone beyond the point of repair but the sounds it makes are like nobody's business. No AI piano is going to learn to sound like that anytime soon.

I doubt I'll be the one to pioneer a new technology, but it would be nice to experience hearing something as novel as any form of sytnthesis was when it was new. I doubt we'll ever experience that again, mainly because there's no money in it, or a mere fraction of what was.
That's sort of the real problem with everything. Quality has suffered across the board not so much because of the tech, but because of cut costs

Sometimes cost cutting can be a positive effect. It means you can't just do the infinitely theoretically perfect and you have to improvise. Most of these things when new were expensive, rare, and crude, but in the right hands they worked wonders.

Ever programmed one? Synths are fun to play around with.

Fuck off with this crap. This is not the first time I see a dude going on about synth without even bothering baking anything up with a claim. Just synth=satan or some shit. You obviously have no fucking clue how a synth works. "Oscillating semite", wtf you on user? Do you not fucking realise that this is the same fucking argument as gun cause deaths??? Do you think jews made synths? those are white mans creation, as most instruments are. I do realise that Jews control the industry, but your argument about synths is so stupid. they produce they don't create. fuck the creator, he has no say. Jew want control so they produce.

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>Jews are not white
Proofs from the reactionary Jewish leaf. Oy vey.

>why not just get a piano
space, cost, transportability etc.

The piano is just an example (an incredibly complex benchmark example, which is why i think they'll do the piano first). The underlying wavenet model is what's really important. Once that's good enough, it's just a matter of throwing enough training data at it to emulate practically anything else, from oscillators to filters, reverbs etc.

>No AI piano is going to learn to sound like that anytime soon.
It'll happen sooner than any of us expect.

Yeah they’re “additive” synthesizers, they just use sinewaves mixed together with a mixer

I work in AI for a living, and indeed it's going a lot faster than most people comprehend. But it's run by people with very limited modalities of thought who think that the physical encumberance of a piano is somehow incompatible with globalism and shipping, or that modifying it into a portable version hasn't been a chief thread of modern western musical history, or that it is somehow inherently desirable, and then fixate on the Turing Test without discussing what Turing actually wrote or if that is a desirable goal.

>wavenet
I havent heard of that, and looking it up it seems like more of the terrifying google being google thing with the side effect of musical application, interesting though.

>Since WaveNets can be used to model any audio signal, we thought it would also be fun to try to generate music. Unlike the TTS experiments, we didn’t condition the networks on an input sequence telling it what to play (such as a musical score); instead, we simply let it generate whatever it wanted to. When we trained it on a dataset of classical piano music, it produced fascinating samples like the ones below:
deepmind.com/blog/wavenet-generative-model-raw-audio/
Shit sounds terrifying even

I have access to few synths, the whole genre is full of anti-whites though.

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It's an extension of being able to pick apart recorded audio. It's always multi-purpose, like with the military. They just need an angle to sell it to autists who can only think in one dimension and believe what they see on the Talmudvision.

All you have to do is think about it like a lego piece. What else could you build with that lego piece? That's how statistical modeling works: you can generate things with it, not just represent things with it.

but '80s music is nice

Which genre is that?

>tfw just got a tg77, but havent fit it into my rack yet

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>mfw dipshits say analog is literally the same as digital in terms of quality sound

>mfw “professionals” conducted a “test” which proved analog sounds indecipherable from digital

How are these people so retarded?

Even putting it straight into a digital signal, the differences are immense

coke is a hell of a drug

No, this is the real red pill: realizing Mannheim Steamroller has non-Christmas songs that are trad as well as based
youtu.be/JL9irXjelCQ

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They're like BF Skinner behavioral scientists. They can't allow things that their models can't explain into their worldview.

>All you have to do is think about it like a lego piece. What else could you build with that lego piece? That's how statistical modeling works: you can generate things with it, not just represent things with it.
I'd like to see it advance as far as to be able to generate novel sounds based on reference to what's been recorded in it's databases.
But what I dont want to see is my voice being used to scam my elderly family members out of money or something.

Checked and adsrpilled

I for one welcome our nightmarish AI future, so I'm happy to let the autists do their thing without much thought to its implications.

Any skill you have on the piano directly transfers to a synth, and then you gotta learn a bunch of synth stuff on top of that. Based instrument.

>Even putting it straight into a digital signal, the differences are immense
What are the differences?

bad post.

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>But what I dont want to see is my voice being used to scam my elderly family members out of money or something.
Well, that's what it is. I mean, I've been watching this slowly evolve for years over some of the public PhD thesis presentations or other talks. You'd have to hit yourself in the head with a hammer to not see where all this stuff is really coming from, but apparently the top hobby of these people is to hit themselves in the head with a hammer. Maybe that's why psycho drugs are so popular these days.

It's not even a recent thing that they have it down to automatically identifying not just your voice among the crowd, but what social roles each person is playing within the "terrorist" cell and all that.

electronic music is the white mans music.
truly european.

Electronic dance music in general but I was thinking more of the sub-genres like IDM and others.

youtube.com/watch?v=_r6WlV_Swd0

>dancing
well there's your problem

That's pretty crazy. Reminds me of the gait recognition software

Everything

Digital synths sound weak, static, cold, lifeless

Obviously analog isn’t accurate enough to do good FM and other real complicated shit which CAN make good sounds too if you’re a fucking wizard or you download a good patch. But for more simple sounds analog is incredible. It’s the same for audio effects too.

I recommend all electronic instrumentalists get an analog stereo chorus pedal. Shit is fucking sublime. No better way to make any mono instrument into stereo without changing the character of the sound really at all. It’s fucking incredible. Software doesn’t even compare. None of it.

The repetative sequenes are straight out of Prussian marches. An electronic drum machine is just a fancy metronome, a descendant of Germanic clockwork autism, Heinholtz and a bunch of other Germans contributed to the development of the synthsizer, all electronic instruments run off a crystal, a literal magic crystal like alchemy. Clocks say quartz on them because they use battery electricity to osscilate the crystal, which does at an extremely steady rate. Electronic schematics even look just like alchemy transmutation glyphs.
Nazis tried to set the pitch of middle C but jews stole it and set it to a demonic frequency, sounds weird but its true.
All electronic musical instruments are made by Japan, we would be banging wooden doohickeys if not for the nips autism. Roland, Korg, Akai, Yamaha, Casio ect.
The musical terminology is all italian (arrpegio, portamento, legato...) and Italo disco was better than American until it evolved underground into house and techno.

So the axis powers made EDM

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It's a subjective, experiential experience. It's something that we don't really have the right metrics to measure because the real metric is one's own experience, and we can't yet replicate that effectively with artificial machines and tools.

I did not believe a whit of it until I couldn't deny the difference between a copper wire into my headphones and a silver wire into my headphones, and the headphones weren't even really all that great, let alone the rest of the signal chain. I thought
>this can't be right
>there can't be such a big difference
>i don't want to admit I've been lying to myself this whole time
But the fact is ordinary people with no training are indeed natural audiophiles. There are people in my family who have remarked that the equipment I cobble together and how I arrange things sound somehow different and better than what they're used to, and they don't even know they're audiophiles as well.

My brother in law discovered by raw experience that putting his shitty bose wireless thing on a particular shelf sounded amazing. All he really did was recreate a bass reflex speaker transmission wave cabinet design. But they don't teach that in schools.

Pretty much all the good electronic (dance) music was made in the 90's:
youtu.be/T7OcBLs8nSw

Although I also like Moroder, Vangelis and even early JMJ.

Humans already posses gait recognition software. It's called their own minds. Do read, "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray Kurzweil. That was the book on my boss's shelf that caught my eye as being more out of place than the rest, and what you have to understand is that this genre of science fiction is basically an open source think tank operation and they are trying to refine the plan while most of the people think it's just kitchy dinner conversation or something.

>All electronic musical instruments are made by Japan, we would be banging wooden doohickeys if not for the nips autism.

>what is Dave smith instruments, the only source of polyphonic analog until very recently (unless you built it yourself)

If you can create something truly beautiful and dynamic with it, that's fine
DJ stations are cancer

>less than 88 keys
>monophonic
that's pretty semitic

>Akai, Yamaha, Casio

Ffs grandad, the hot synths these days are moog, nord, access, NI etc. So us, swedish and german.

>open source think tank operation and they are trying to refine the plan while most of the people think it's just kitchy dinner conversation or something.
So Jow Forums then

Except anybody can participate in our secret tree fort, and we do it for hotpockets and lulz. That's the secret.

>access
they're literally who now

>Are synthesizers the musical incarnation of post modern degeneracy?
>blaming the tool instead of the people who use the tool
Jow Forums has this same argument over and over again, particularly guns. This is a nice change of pace.

lol this

unless you’re using it solely for melody or bass

not having harmony is degenerate and shitty

>hotpockets

REEEE GET OUT

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The TC June 60 Stereo Juno Chorus should be interesting.

Pls stop bully, I saved up for a year for this thing
>t. wagie

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Harmony is just low-frequency interactive interference.

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(you)
Anyone used a Korg Volca?

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noice altoids fab m8

>All electronic musical instruments are made by Japan
This is the first fully functional production synth
The Hammond Novachord made in 1938
There were much earlier prototypes and one offs but this is the first fully functional synth that made it to production
There was one other earlier production synth that was extremely limited in what it could do
But all were all made in the west
You're an idiot.

youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3RBAZChrQ

Woes seems to like them and he sure puts them to good use.
>oscillating semite
Everything is Jewish to you retards.

Why didn't you get a Voyager?

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>not buying a matrixbrute for less money and way more value
have fun making boomer noises

fair

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Break the conditioning. Jews aren't semites.

>degeneracy

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No

youtube.com/watch?v=nz1cEO01LLc

Eurorack master race here.

To answer your question: only if you're paying for an overpriced reissue of a synth created by a Jew. Moog Music today is more concerned with promoting feminism, trannyism, and communism than actually creating synthesizers. At the last Moogfest, a feminist musician actually cancelled her set because the "tranny, nonbinary and womyn-only" lineup was commodifying gender or something. I love it when the left eats itself.

Don't care.

Not white.

>you have to make the white power symbol anytime you want to use it
maybe these aren't so jewish

Kraftwerk isn't degenerate. In fact, the reason why the Jews who run the R+R Hall of Fame refuse to induct them is because of MUH FASCIST AESTHETICS. They're willing to overlook the fact that Kraftwerk has directly influenced more artists than anyone else since The Beatles.

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Pulled pic off youtube. I've got em all tho