Alright i'm gonna throw some of these counterarguments to white nationalism i found somewhere on the internet to you...

i would literally throw every other race on earth into a volcano before betraying my own people
get that through you fucking head user
everyone should look after their own first and formost
you memeflag kikes are going to have everyone on earth advocate for your extermination if you keep pushing this shit

yeah and culture but that wouldn't be ethnic it would have to be something else, some form of civic nationalism
>Neither is "lol it's already done"
and why not? it is, people who do things that are wrong are criminally persecuted accordingly with the law and if they're non-citizen immigrants are usually deported which is also in accordance with the law
>No you don't, you put that requirement on it.
yeah i did there actually, because i believe it's in-line with nazism and hitler's ideal race, which i assume you idolize and worship, but the argument of purity still stands regardless and you didn't even address that, and the general idea of having to prove that everyone who isn't "white" did something wrong still stands
>you're either retarded or b8ing.
i mean...you're not explaining any of the logic behind or elaborating on your arguments you're only refuting the central point by simply stating that whatever it is i'm copy pasting / saying is not an argument, isn't that far more retarded and bait-ish / trolly than whatever it is you think i'm doing / behaving lmao?
not pepe it's apu apustaja but yeah it's a pretty good one eh? hehe, found it randomly somewhere i think it's pretty rare
yeah i'm actually from Jow Forums

also interesting how we do that, makes me think even harder about the purity argument, there's so many forms and levels of purity even if you were "from" this board there are so many levels of purity of being "from" this board that some will literally attack you for not being at a certain purity level, i.e being a newfag
yeah it didn't say there was anything wrong with that at all though, that's a passive white nationalist argument not a white supremacist argument

also nice flag and i'm impressed how you didn't just go off all capsing "FUCK NIGGERS KILL DAJOZOZ!!@!23132", although i'm sure you probably do secretly, gotta reset my expectations from people

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it's not rare at all but I love it haha

you can't really separate ethnicity from nationality. our whole understanding of 'nation' comes from the old greek word ethnos

phew mate calm the heck down did you just get done watching some alex jones? you're associating me with the wrong people

anyways, i don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to preserve your own race or culture or language or whatever, that's passive white identitarianism / nationalism and just wanting to preserve your shit you like and identify with, but what i'm talking about, or what the arguments i posted here in the OP talks about is directed towards white supremacism and white supremacist eugenics and nazism etc, you know, like believing that your race is superior to all others and brutally attacking / murdering anyone who isn't 99.9999% german with true blonde hair blue eyes ghost white pale skin and so on regardless of their character or whether or not they've even done anything wrong or broken the law at all and so on?
huh, really? i've rarely seen it, and yeah me too it's cute and kawaii af and UwU desu

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It's funny because a handful of Jow Forumstards would tell yu that nords aren't white. Theres no clear collective definition of white on Jow Forums. Anglo's hate poles, the european nords hate the meds. Hell, most anglos only see anglo as white.

>kekistani
>complains about other memeflags

You realise most arguments for an ethnostate only argue for 85-90% whites in the country, right? (In terms of genetics on the individual as well as accepting 10-15% definite non-whites)

I define white as anyone with an ancestry that is predominately European and culturally Christian. European blooded pagans need to accept Christ as their Lord and move on from their LARP before I’ll consider them white.

I dont really care about preserving language or anything like that. I just think it's the best basis for cooperation among people and would alleviate the country's anxieties about foreigners coming in.

1. And? Our people are hurting everyday
2. And? That retarded gibberish doesn’t even seem to have a point
3. Yes it is. You’re lying. Holding white nationalism up to some retarded level that no other system is held up to shows what disingenuous scum you are. You’ll never get a society where everyone is happy but that doesn’t mean you an destroy my ancestor all homeland.
>most such societies are not
Not what? You’re a retard for not being clear about any of this. How simple is it to write basic sentences. Are you saying societies were not happy when they were homogenous? Do you think our society is happier now that pakis and nuggets are raping and murdering us. Diversity is a weakness that has been proven to make people less happy.
4. And? Just more retarded bullshit that neglects the fact that the white Americans and White Russian could form a functioning nation whilst the nigger cannot. And why should anyone care about some random guy’s definition
>but actually blah blah retarded liberal bullshit
Celts are white, only a deceitful leftwing moron would deny such a basic and obvious fact. What evidence do these retards have that celts used to be niggers or Asians, as if that’s even possible

>that’s not really an argument is it
Ironic
>you have to prove some retarded bullshit that makes no sense and has no relevance whatsoever to the debate

>more of an argument based on feelings
Ironic again

In conclusion you are a stereotypical leftwing retard talking shit and making retarded moot points that have no relevance to the real world. If you really want to test your retarded beliefs out I suggest you move to a nigger country and every time something bad happens just keep reminding yourself that they’re not all bad

some of your arguments rely on the preexisting presence of non-whites in white countries, which is a phenomenon that should have never have occurred in the first place. the bottom line is that any increasing amount of non-whites in white countries is a threat to the self-governance and right to self-determination of white people as a distinct group. any harm that may occur is mutual and not simply reserved to non-whites. you also purport that white supremacy is violence directed toward non-whites, when it is rather the simple belief of genetic superiority that doesn't have to manifest itself in violence. violence may occur as an act of defense, which is precisely what may happen if the sovereignty of white ethnic groups is not respected. the whole point of white nationalism (i prefer identitarianism) is to prevent future conflicts as a result of disregarding ethnic boundaries and interests.

>>A multi-ethnic multicultural society is a done deal. You would have to hurt a great many people to revert to a mono-cultural society.
We're hurting a great many people with a multicultural society, and you're simply asserting that pain is necessary to bring about an ethnostate. If the white nationalists and black nationalists became the only two political centers in the US, they would work out an agreement and separate, just like GLR and MX wanted to do in the 60's. Its the internationalists who insist on bloodshed to protect the status quo.

>A lot of people want to treat others according to their character not their race.
If you're a race realist, making that a hard distinction is a fallacy; your race influences your character, and that's why integration is foolish, costly, and short lived. That's basically why most of us became white nationalists in the first place.
>A society that no longer aspires to that would horrify and dispirit a lot of people.
It was the status quo 60 years ago. If people got over it then they'll get over it now. The 'pain' will probably not last even a generation, because this way of living is more in line with human nature than living in a cultural pressure-cooker.
>A tangible negative outcome since our country is only as good as how we treat each other.
Tell that to the integrationists of the 60's and 70's. These are just status-quo arguments, no meat to them.

>It's unclear that even if you could wave a magic wand (expecto genocidia) and achieve a mono-cultural mono-ethnic society, that it would be a healthy or happy one.
Japan is what a first-world ethnostate would look like. It has its problems, but ethnonationalism doesn't exist in a vacuum; cultural issues are also being addressed by the neo-reaction movement.
In addition, this statement is simply answering the wrong question. The only question that matters is, "would we be better off then than we are now," not, "would everything be sunshine and rainbows."

>Most such societies historically or today are not (cause or effect, who can say). There's always more levels of purity to strive for; always someone born within the country to hurt. You end up fighting human nature and sentient diversity itself.
You don't. There are identifiable gene clusters that mark out the "races" of humanity. They don't blur as much as you'd think, that's why they're so easily identifiable to the naked eye. Look, some people fall for traps, but that doesn't mean male and female bathrooms are impractical solutions to real human needs. We can allow some variation around the very outer edges, the point is that a core group exists which has to be valued and protected.

>a white national identity: national identity is not a matter of colour.
>A white American and a white Russian share less history than a white and a black American.
If you think about this for more than five seconds, this author btfos himself. Russian immigrants have integrated much, much better into the US than blacks have. I mean, unless you're going to deny that the integration project for blacks in the US hasn't been a complete failure, especially in comparison to integrating Russians ffs, then I don't know where to start with you. Maybe this person should go sub to Lauren Southern or some other alt-lite type, or maybe check out the AH blog, so they can understand what things are like in the US between blacks and whites.

>I would be very surprised if you had any proof that those Celtic weren't black
WE

Extra bump for good thread OP. This is kind of old-school, but I enjoy it.

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>memeflag

not reading
thanks for clogging the board with this useless thread

It goes without saying, but op is a fag.
We don't want to exterminate people from other races. We want freedom of association. Non-whites do not have a divine right to occupy White spaces and leach our resources. We were never asked if we wanted to be ethnically replaced, yet here we are in the process of it happening. We don't like it. We don't want to hurt anyone, but those who would deny us self-determination make their intentions clear that they do not mind hurting us. There will be pain regardless of the path we choose. We choose the path that is painful, yet results in the survival of our race. If this offends your moral sensibilities, we don't care.
I will not reply to memeflags.

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this is well put thanks user

>niggers cant form society

What about Wakanda, cracker?

Bump

Why is the "survival of our race" important?

because I'm not a nihilist

>A multi-ethnic multicultural society is a done deal. You would have to hurt a great many people to revert to a mono-cultural society.

You are hurting a great many white people noe BECAUSE we have multiculturalism. The number of white people murdered, robbed or raped by niggers each year is in the many thousands. These crimes are committed at a far lower rate between whites. Why do we have to consider the "harm" to minorities of not getting to live with economically productive and law abiding whites people before we consider our own welfare?

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Let me ask you, why is the survival of your family important? Because you have a connection right? There is something unique about those people. You relate to them in a way that you don't relate to anyone else.

That's part of it, now let me ask you another question: Why is saving the megafauna of Africa important? How about the wildlife of North America? These are beautiful creatures, unique and distinct. The world could lose their beauty forever, so they need to be preserved.

Now, final question: Why is preserving historical landmarks important? Those old ruins in Italy and Greece, those old cathedrals across Europe, those paintings and writing passed down from the great artists and thinkers of our past, why is preserving all of this important user? Because preserving our link with the past helps us understand ourselves. If we were to become atomized in time, a people without a homeland, we'd be a people of a confused and disoriented spirit. We wouldn't know which direction to move ourselves, we wouldn't understand how we got here. Retaining these monuments grounds us, gives us inspiration, and therefore helps guide us towards our destiny.

So really, the survival of our race is the survival of our unique blood-kinship bonds, the irreplaceable beauty and culture of the white man and woman, and the guidance of our spirit user. We preserve our race because otherwise our being, our self, becomes lonelier, our world less beautiful, and our horizons more limited.

Too smart for Jow Forums

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>>A multi-ethnic multicultural society is a done deal. You would have to hurt a great many people to revert to a mono-cultural society.
1) carving out a smaller nation. 2) war. 3) hard-nose government with aggressive deportation policies. Soooo people who give this argument are just stupid and lack imagination.
>>A lot of people want to treat others according to their character not their race. A society that no longer aspires to that would horrify and dispirit a lot of people. A tangible negative outcome since our country is only as good as how we treat each other.
Only as good as we treat each other? That's some fuckin gay shit right there. Do people in multi-cultural America treat each other well? Or is it super polarized? Fuck off with this weak shit.
>>It's unclear that even if you could wave a magic wand (expecto genocidia) and achieve a mono-cultural mono-ethnic society, that it would be a healthy or happy one. You end up fighting human nature and sentient diversity itself.
It is human nature to go with your tribe. That's why all the different countries of europe exist. Each group has its own uniqueness. Name one healthy and happy multicultural society? O wait...
>>a white national identity: national identity is not a matter of colour. In "What is a nation?", Renan defines a nation as people that share history and want to live and act together, as opposed to a "race". A white American and a white Russian share less history than a white and a black American.

The world is being globalized. When it does, people will seperate themselves by race more than anything else. To a black man, the slav, the celt, the med, it doesn't matter, they are all white to him.
Also, in America and Canada, maybe even Aus(?), "white" as in from Europe is a REAL identity. Because most people are euro-mutts. Also, the white russian will eventually assimilate into American culture, the negro has not and will never live like the white man.

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Speaking as an American, in America people are far, far more segregated along economic lines than racial ones. As a middle class white man i identify far greater with a middle class black man than a white man living in poverty. A white man living in poverty shares far more in common with a black man living in poverty than with a rich white man

That is a wonderfully thought provoking argument in support of culture; however, i must disagree.

I will admit my mind values the objectivity of scientific progress over the subjectivity of the beauty of culture, and as a result i view the very concept of race as a poison upon society.

Race gives rise to discrimination. A discriminatory society devotes far too much of the collective brain power to justifying it's own discriminatory beliefs and practices. This collective brain power being utilized for the above reason is essentially wasted. When we could be devoting intellectual resources towards scientific advancements that better all human life or bring us closer to becoming an interplanetary species, we are instead devoting intellectual resources towards proving superiority over members of our fellow species

So that black man male you have so much in common with, it would have been a white man if the system hadn't have propped him up there. In fact, it takes constant Satanic energy input to keep him there.

Where's the white guy that would have been there? In fact where are all the white guys if the others hadn't stolen our spots using lies (Satanism ).

You're not bothered by this?

No, I am not scared by the ridiculous idea of "satanism" oppressing white people

>>A multi-ethnic multicultural society is a done deal.
That's not even a thing.

>You would have to hurt a great many people
Exactly