Did the holocaust happen to the extent that is commonly told, not at all, or inbetween? What your personal take?

i didnt say you could post pictures of my husbandu

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Holocaust happened to 30 millions of Russians, mostly PoW, but a lot of civilians too.

Jews where just resettled in Palestine to start colonizing it. Any jews killed are on the hands of Judenrat.

All dead bodies in the pictures are Russians. All kikes kicked around the streets are either Judenrat or kikes kicking someone from the Judenrat, when that person was left without Judenrat goons support.

If the tobacco industry funds tobacco control effort then why not the Jews funding counter Holocaust conspiracy theories?

If you agree with them or disagree they will control you mind and give you that opinion.

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Like anything, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The jews weren't treated well but it wasn't this large extermination.

Tell me about this guy. I've only ever seen mainstream news stuff

Didn't happen intentionally in camps on an industrial scale, but I'm sure some guards killed some people probably with official sanction from the head. Not gas chambers. Lots got murdered in the eastern front, but the camps were likely primarily due to disease and hunger. The real question is what they did to provoke the Germans into such actions. "Muh scapegoat" is retarded sophistry.

Saint Roof

The hall of cost is real you faggot. My grandpapa lost it all there.

Not saying you're wrong about a lot of murdering, but I'm not so sure if slavs were genuinely seen as needing to be wholly exterminated.

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>self bump
Imagine not knowing how Jow Forums works..

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There is so much proof that the holocaust has been a fabrication, but I will offer the best sources for a newbie to the subject. Firstly are these videos which are a must see

youtube.com/watch?v=fEhVDdrPE3A
youtube.com/watch?v=49kXVF12jFc&bpctr=1543347454
youtube.com/watch?v=qG2dK4x1f_A

youtube.com/watch?v=TZrflFeF3IE
youtube.com/watch?v=mlaMKNV2ke4
youtube.com/watch?v=IElom-w7oOM

youtube.com/watch?v=b4KLLul0vrQ

In the American camps at Stalingrad, 95% of German POWs died of typhus or starvation due to lack of resources at that stage of the war. Was this a genocide?

If whites are going to be blamed for the Holocaust when many grandparents and great grandparents of white Americans and Europeans today fought to stop the Holocaust then whites today need to at least do what they are being blamed for doing.

>Jews: White Americans and Europeans are guilty of the Holocaust!!!
>Whites: My grandfather fought the Nazi.
>Jews: You are still guilty!!!
>Whites: If you are going to blame me I might as well kill you because I am not going to take the blame for something I did not do without at least getting something out of it.

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Yes it happened and the biggest point of contestion shouldn’t be that it happened but that it was the only thing that happened or mattered in the war.

Your assumption of 3-4 million jewish dead is far above most Israel scholars estimated casualties. Legitimate estimates are between 900,000 and 15000000.

America killed more civilians during the war than the Germans killed Jews.

>Did the holocaust happen to the extent that is commonly told, not at all, or inbetween? What your personal take?
There was no systematic program of extermination of the Jews by the NSDAP. Thus, the Holocaust didn't happen.
Yes, some Jews died. Yes, it's possible some Jews were murdered. Yes, it's possible some Jews were tortured. No, there was no NSDAP order or plan to exterminate as many Jews as they could.

Next, the greatest books that you can easily find pdf downloads for free

"Did 6 million really die? The truth at Last"
Richard Verrall wrote the english version or Ernst Zundel's (german) book

"6 million: Fact or Fiction"
Peter Winter

"The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry"
Arthur Butz

Also, most of these books can be found for pdf download I'm guessing. goodreads.com/list/show/92277.Holocaust_Denial_or_Revisionism

There is also a book written by Michael Hoffman who was at the Ernst Zundel trial called "The Great Holocaust Trial: The Landmark Battle for the Right to Doubt the West's Most Sacred Relic" and if you watch the first 3 embeds in my earlier post , that is the trial. They disproved almost all the staples of the official narrative when the survivors took the stand, they crumbled under cross examination and all ended up having to admit they never saw or heard any killings and the crematorium expert disproved their accounts and numbers of jews that were "gassed" easily. Everyone should watch the zundel case while you still can.

Another fun book written by a jew in 1940-41 (before any "death camps" were discovered by the allies in 1945 post-war) "Germany Must Perish" by Maurice Samuel.

Another jew wrote a book called "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering" by Norman Finkelstein, who's parents were in Germany in ww2. Good tidbits of info in there too obviously.

Please take some time to do your own research.
THE TRUTH FEARS NO INVESTIGATION

Also, if you still somehow haven't watched
thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
what are you waiting for? The lies told about Adolf Hitler are just as important as the other lies surrounding the holocaust, and the reasons therein

>Your assumption of 3-4 million jewish dead is far above most Israel scholars estimated casualties. Legitimate estimates are between 900,000 and 15000000.
Whoa, so we're up to 15 gorillion now? just kidding goy, I know it was a typo.

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The Russian perspectice is an interesting one.

Numbers are always inflated...muh 6 million...

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MUH BOI ROOF
Fuck niggers

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Claim #1:
“There were no gas chambers at Auschwitz.”

So what is the basis for this claim? In 1988, Ernst Zundel was put on trial for spreading fake information, by publishing the book “Did six million really die”. As part of his defense, he appointed a “specialist on execution chambers”, Fred Leuchter, to conduct a forensic examination of the gas chambers in Auschwitz and other camps.
Leuchter as it turns out was not an expert at all and did not have the scientific qualifications in the field he claimed to be an expert in, but rather he had a bachelor of arts degree in history.
The Judge dismissed Leuchters opinion because it was of "no greater value than that of an ordinary tourist".
As to the veracity of the other theories of Zundel, he is also a proponent of the theory that the flying saucer phenomenon is the result of secret nazis in antarctica, who live in a secret base where they have mastered ufo technology.

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Claim #2:
“Nowhere near 6,000,000 Jews died at the hands of the Nazis.”

Wilhelm Höttl, an SS officer and a Doctor of History, testified at the Nuremberg Trials and Eichmann's trial that at a meeting he had with Eichmann in Budapest in late August 1944, "Eichmann ... told me that, according to his information, some 6,000,000 Jews had perished until then – 4,000,000 (four million) in extermination camps and the remaining 2,000,000 (two million) through shooting by the Operations Units and other causes, such as disease, etc."

The Central Database of holocaust victims' Names,Yad Vashem, has collected 4.5 million names of Jews killed in the holocaust. Although one and a half million deaths short of the official number, this is only names collected, the nazis attempted to destroy all their documentation at the end of the war so it could not be used against them in the trial of war crimes. The Nizkor project conducted research about the number of victims and found the number was at least 5.65 Million.

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Claim #3:
“There were only 600,000 Jews in Germany at the time, how could ten times that die?”

This is true, but the majority of Jewish deaths in the holocaust were in countries that the Nazis invaded.

The Protocol of the Wannsee Conference (Jan. 20, 1942) a German document outlining the Nazi plan to annihilate European Jewry, lists over 11 million Jews throughout the continent.

Claim #4:
“The estimates have changed, even what memorial plaques say.”

The change in the plaques is the result of changing flawed numbers. One plaque went down from something like 5 million to 500 thousand, this was not the total number, but just for one death camp. The reason the old number was so high was because it was a number from the soviets in a move of propaganda, to worsen the crimes of the nazis.

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That proves nothing

Proof?

Too much focus on death camps. Pretty sure a large portion we're worked to death.
Slavery.

yes it did, do I care, not really

imgur.com/a/725A7
>the guy below me is a fag

yes, lots of people lied about being in the holocaust.

ok jidf, refute the mountains of proof in
It might take you a few days to read all of that, and i know you won't, because it depends on your very survival as a species for facts like those to be ignored. Any actual non-jew here will find a wealth of information in those two posts that they can show everyone they know. Good luck.

I played myself

Not at all, they were concentration camps not extermination camps, they were rounded up as an agreement between Rothschild so he can have an excuse and the jews to invade Palestine later on, Hitler didn't want Jews in Germany but not to that point of killing them, his mistake was to trust a Jew.
Just think about it going through all that hassle to gather up a couple hundred Jews thousands of miles away to fit them in a train wagon like they say days and days without food water or oxygen just to gas and burn them fucking lol, why not shoot them on the spot and save a couple bucks and man power plus jeez no water and little oxygen for days and days !? I know pos Jews are like roaches hard to kill but tone it down a bit, all those skinny Jews were from supply routes being bombed by US and England and no medicine and food reaching them, I mean sure probably a couple rowdy Jews left no other option to the officers to kill them that were probably criminals before even being put in camps and sure there might have been a couple officers that killed one or 3 Jews for no reason just like US troops might rape or go out on a killing spree in some towel head country , others died from other conditions , and old age, but intentionally exterminating them ? Nope never happened.

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Look into David Irving

youtu.be/gBxaAHXS6Gw

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>Ernst Zundel's (german) book
Your sourcing someone who think nazis escaped to Antarctica and built secret bases and flying saucers there. You really expect me to take you "research" seriously?

Do you have any proof that could be articulated in a message that I wouldn't have to read a list of books to refute?

Hey, it's you!

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rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/combating-holocaust-denial-evidence-of-the-holocaust-presented-at-nuremberg

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

And regarding the gassing... never happened , they were just trying to rid them of a lice problem, these places they always say they were gassed in are impossible just by looking at them, little wood cabins with frail glass windows any dumb Jew would have been smart enough to brake and jump out from, wooden doors that can be opened from both sides , chimneys not high enough etc etc etc and none of these things were rebuilt except a couple roofs that were re done so they are exactly as the were back then : not fit for gassing of any kind, apart from the numerous Jews that have actually come forth indicating they had bars, theaters, they had salaries, swimming pools, teachers , etc etc etc come on, all that trouble just to gas them by the end of the week ?? Lol

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But all the experts say they were, and it's only nut-jobs with no qualifications saying otherwise... Really makes you think.

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Those claims you state from Nuremberg I hope you know we're done under torture ... And I hope you are aware the 6 million figure is symbolic and had been stated since many years before in numerous places speaking about jews, so they decided to go with it.

6millionfairytale.wordpress.com/more-proof-six-million-is-a-lie/

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(((Experts)))

Ok I see, then no need to look further, go watch reruns of Schindlers list and happy Hanukkah to you .

you might actually have to read something you spoonfed protohuman.

Better rely on Russia to provide us of evidence since the british and americans found no death camps.

Just because there have been many times the population of Jews, total or local, equals 6 million doesn't proof anything but the mental gymnastics people are willing to do by cherry picking a handful of articles.

THE NUMBERS DONT ADD UP.

Yeah, i'll trust an expert Semite over a nut-job antisemite.

So, no then...

For the most part, I don't think the Nazis murdered civilians on an industrial scale (unless you could their euthanizing the mentally disabled). But millions of people were used as slave labor, treated rather harshly especially as supplies dwindled, and many of them died.

If, at the end of the day, the Nazis wanted to destroy European Jewry, it would have been destroyed.

no but it should have

I think people freaking out and saying "THE USA GASSED CHILDREN" when we were defending ourselves tells you all you need to know about the holocaust.

That's because the death camps were all in the east. Who else would you expect to find them?
We certainly found concentration camps, and know where the extermination camps were today.

What scholars say that?

Bigger hoax than 9/11

got a shill working overtime on this thread.

>Holocaust
>happen
A religion doesn't "happen" or "not happen".

>I have that same sweater
oof

underrated

The jews weren't liked basically for the same reason they are not liked to this day.

Basically they rounded them all up to deport them & it all went wrong because it wasn't managed properly & so 600,000+ people died running our of food though mismanagement of resources basically.

The lie of holocaust was to justify the destruction of Germany, which every western power instantly regretted doing.

Happy Hanukkah to you , no need to continue shilling.

Germans were mad about that little civil war the jews tried to take over. No one talks about that.

vice.com/en_us/article/zmgyg3/how-the-far-right-feeds-on-male-insecurity

>i'll trust an expert Semite

Happy Nittel Nacht to you!
Got you some presents:
encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/evidence-from-the-holocaust

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how-to-refute-holocaust-denial

history.com/news/how-the-nazis-tried-to-cover-up-their-crimes-at-auschwitz

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David Cole is a Jewish Holocaust revisionist.

What do you think about David Cole?

You are one desperate liar. All you've done is post lie after lie. No wonder you jews are running out of steam. Not that your genetically based self-deception and arrogance will ever allow you to see this, never mind admit it