Taxation is theft

>German socialism is different duuuuuurrrr than regular socialism cuz duuurrrr it’s German duuuurrrrrrrrrrr

Nice pilpul Schlomo

if I demand and then take your property on threat of violence, I'm stealing from you
you'll find it novel to hear that it's theft even if I have a badge on or your neighbor voted for me

I dont care as long as you're not a shitskin

>Jews created socialism
>youre a Jew if you hate socialism
Can you nazi faggots make your mind up?

good thread

I wish the braindead 1488ers and commies would both leave pol. No one wants you ugly faggots here, or your dead failed ideologies.

kikes created MARXISM you fucking retard.

We fought the commies retard

Socialism is Marxism, have you ever even read his writings? Don’t you actually want to know truth? Like seriously? Or do you just get off on being a fucking weirdo and making people uncomfortable with your cliche political indoctrination so much you’d rather just call everyone who disagrees with a you Jew or nigger and live in your safe space internet bubble where you nazis can lick each other’s butt holes?

>you can't support having the right to own guns and supporting the police that kill niggers
That sounds like a fuckin two for one deal to me. When they start going batshit is when I'd peel off the sticker but the nigger killcount is pretty cool too.

>national socialism is marxism
everyone hates libertarians you guys are just retarded

holy shit you're retarded i'm talking about german socialism

this

>German socialism
>socialism
Socialism=redistrubition of wealth
Germany=a geographical location/ the government that governs said location
Do you even understand what the word “redistribution” means? Do you know what socialism actually is? Do you know anything but red flags and bad facial hair?

>amerimutt
>defending jewish capitalism
like pottery

Explain the difference between socialism and national socialism.
Pro tip you can’t. Because socialism is an economic structure based on redistribution of wealth. Adding nationalism just changes what the money is spent on. My god. If it that hard to understand?

marxist socialism is a jewish invention fuck off kike

No arguements.

Thats not even close to an intelligent coherent thought, let alone an explanation.

no one cares lolberg

I’m the only one posting in this shitty thread, Marxist. You should appreciate the fact that it didn’t go commentless, because this thread, like so many others is just Marxist bullshit.

>national socialist
>marxist
you still dont get it do you? degenerate lolberg kike

>socialism isn’t socialism if I’m a nationalist
The mental gymnastics you have to put yourself through to come to that conclusion is astounding.

>Marxist socialism is the only system in which wealth is redistributed
The state of lolberts, ladies and gentlemen.

>redistribution of wealth isn’t Marxism if it’s for nationalism

No, youre sayong that all systems are marxist if they have some form of wealth redistribution, youre simply incorrect.

Property rights exist or they don’t, there is no middle ground. Nationalism is describing the culture and budget, socialism describes the economic structure for paying the budget.

They dont, they are created by a party with more force than any of the individuals in the society.

from a logical standpoint, taxation is theft if the taxes are being used for things you don't support.

i don't mind my taxes going to childrens education for example, because i have children who went to public school, and while public school is certainly flawed, it's a necessity. same with taxes going to maintaining roads/bridges/public transport, i use those roads/bridges, so it makes sense I contribute. but then when i hear about my taxes going to programs that fund abortions it makes my blood boil, or when my taxes are used towards military endeavours that i disagree with.

I wish there was a checklist on your annual income tax submission where you could check off the programs you support and that would guarantee your money go towards those things, unrealistic and virtually impossible to implement, I know, but it would be nice.

Hi, boomer.
Marx calls for the destruction of the concept of the state. The end of currency, The destruction of the concept of private ownership. The dissolution of all class barriers like race and religion. This is what Marxism is about.
NatSoc is literally none of this.

>hurr they both use the S word with two totally different implications, but they're both usin the word and that makes them the same hurrrrrrrrr

>Redistribution of wealth is Marxism
no it isn't. socialism is the redistribution of wealth. marxism is the equal redistribution of wealth among all citizens regardless of their contributions to society. national socialism is merit-based redistribution with social castes and literal capitalism involved, two things 100% incompatible with marxism.

jews fear national socialism because it's difficult to exploit and crave marxism because it's easy to exploit.

Then I’m coming into your house and taxing your fucking milk, internet, and water. Faggot. It’s amazing how debating a nazi and a communist goes the same way, it’s almost like......there the same thing.both scream no. But if you ever entertained the notion you would see their arguements and solutions are the same.

>Marx calls for duh destruction of duh state so what he says about redistribution are null and void.

It’s collectivism either way.
>but it’s my own unique brand of collectivism
Still collectivism, you fucking cuck.

Hitler himself said that communists were the easiest to convert to nazism.

Cool, unless I use the force of the state or my own force to stop you. Congrats, smaller fish, meet bigger fish.

fallacy of composition in both of your posts. sharing traits doesn't make them equal by any means. have some intellectual honesty.

Yeah, you've never read a single word Marx ever wrote aside from some one line quote on a facebook meme, boomer.
Marx's stated intention is radical egalitarianism, again the exact opposite of NatSoc. The redistribution of wealth is only one single and ultimately insignificant mechanism of his ideology. Fixating on this is just showing that you're totally unfamiliar with his writing.

>muh horseshoe theory
I bet you love Dinesh.

Hi, Sargoy cuck.
The paradigm of individualism vs collectivism is a completely false one. Primacy between these two concepts shifts depending on what circumstance you're examining. This is not an ideological matter. This is a pragmatic one.

Stop mindlessly spewing opinions without digesting them.

What is the definition of socialism, other than government exists and does stuff? I'm looking for a real definition, not a lolbert word salad.

Collective ownership.of means of production, practically uber-democracy. People directly elect damn near everyone, and can recall them at any time. Granted, thats the on paper version.

Marxian Socialism is pursuing an agenda of radical egalitarianism, destruction of traditions, ethnic identity, private ownership, religion, conventional morality all in effort to ultimately establish Communism.
Socialism in the NatSoc sense is German people helping their own countrymen and making everyone else fuck off.
Socialism in the faggy Euro Democratic-Socialism is just Marxism light.

Lolberts usually have no idea what Socialism is in any context apart from the aspect of redistribution. Thats because most Lolberts are CivNat cucks who just regurgitate shit they see on Facebook from other normies. America in its founding had taxes, and the state used those taxes to pay for certain things which benefited other citizens both directly and indirectly. The retard ranting ITT would call early American Socialist.

So, something that has never been tried in the real world on a large scale. The closest example would be the kibbutz, which is mostly close family units based.

Anyone with a brain knows libertarians are right on a philosophical level. It’s just pointless to be one right now when there’s people who will do anything to use the power of the state to kill us and starve us out of existence.

Exactly, they even admit in their manifestos that peasants are the closest thing to owning ones own means, ironically, thats the grouo theybend up killing and exploiting the most. Its urban socialites convincing urban poors to go out and enslave anyone who isnt an urbanite, then say have the moral high ground.

Yeah, claiming that every and any form of government will lead to a tyrannical equality like some sort of ultra North Korea, is the definition of the slippery slope fallacy on steroids.

it literally is theft. youre welcome to argue that this theft is somehow necessary for civilization, but dont play word games you fucking kike

I disagree. Libertarians will contend that the state itself is bad, they'll use rhetoric that leans to Anarcho-Capitalism, a few will admit the state a necessary evil but stop at Minarchism. They argue the freer a society is the better it is, the more it will advance.
They do all this from a stance of principles, not any historical precedent. What historical precedent has shown is that an incredibly strong state can work in tandem with social order to allow people to flourish. It has shown that hierarchy is deeply ingrained in us, and we long for solidified social roles and power structure in everything we interact with.

The outcome is what matters, not the principles. A state with military conscription, no freedom of religion, no gay marriage, no recreational drug use, and a strong social fabric with solid birth rates is infinitely more moral and ethical than an ultra liberal free society of self destructive hedonism.

Histirical precedent is every single attempt at statism has failed

Dynasties have lasted hundreds of years, kingdoms for thousands. Governing bodies with extreme authority have lasted tens of human generations. They've lasted longer than some rivers have maintained their course.
The fact that you call government "statism" immediately betrays your bias. You're regurgitating mindless Lolbert talking points.

The only form of government with a terrible track record is Democracy and all its incarnations. Giving the common man the autonomy of self governance is antithetical to what we're hardwired for. Man is not an island, man is a social creature that cannot be removed from the tribe without suffering for it.

I don't think there is any use in reading between the lines in any rhetorical speech, and instead look at the policies. The closest example to socialism in Western Europe is Norway, which is defined as state capitalism. Denmark has the highest taxes, but has some of the most free economy in the world. The government operatest on very open and transparent public-private contracts that are highly efficient. And the people there support these systems, not because of love for socialism, but because they work and there is no value in throwing the baby with the bathwater.

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The vast majority of cops, on my department at least, are very libertarian-leaning and extremely pro-gun. I ask that you don’t believe the hype when the media is able to flood your perception with the occasional jackass cop who is a prick and treats citizens like cattle...that is the exception and not the rule.

Technically taxation is theft unless you have signed an agreement to be taxed

>Supporting the police we currently have means supporting police that are trying to take our guns and kill us for no reason
pic related
policeone.com/gun-legislation-law-enforcement/articles/6186552-Police-Gun-Control-Survey-Are-legally-armed-citizens-the-best-solution-to-gun-violence/

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Are they both collective?
>yes

Do they both prioritize state power over the individual
>yes

Did they both fail?
>spectacularly

Collectivism is a failed system, one built upon cuckoldry.

>still rambling about Marx

Re-read what I posted, understand what I posted and then respond. You fucking tard

>boomer
Edgy teen detected

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>omg capitalism is duh jews
>socialism totally isn't, though
Hey rabbi, whatcha doin?

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Money is not the people's property so it can be redistributed as they wish, as long as they can perpetuate the myth that it actually has value. Real wealth is whatever has intrinsic value to keep you alive; farmland, a house, wood, guns, medicine, family, community.

>the medieval era was fantastic for humans
>the democratic era is not

K then

>Marx calls for the destruction of the concept of the state
Oh really? Which page, which line, is this in the pamphlet? I have a copy here and I've actually read it. Oh and for bonus points: Who will enforce this mythical destruction of the concept of the state?

>drowning in niggers
>doesn't think a collectivist society could be functional
Checks out.

>Marx's stated intention is radical egalitarianism
>literally mandate women be passed around as communal cumdumpsters
>egalitarianism
Oh, do go on. Now is this before or after the demand that everybody else give up their property to a handful of people and live on scraps while the "okay people because I don't affix the label of bourgeoisie to them" ruling class can walk into your house and rape your daughter at gunpoint if they like because they also write and enforce the laws and you're not allowed to be armed?

>"m-muh faceberg quote where marx made a pro-gun statement doh"
He only supported arming up to put himself into power. Have you read the pamphlet at all, by the way?

>Cocksuckers getting paid by tax money are against being taxed.

>dictatorship
>no property rights
>everything you doing being for the direct benefit of a ruling class
>uber-democracy

Sounds about right, actually.

Niggers are inherently collectivist - it’s their default setting. The results speak for themselves.

White South Africans tend to be individualist, again the results speak for themselves.

Collectivists to my mind are pathetic. A belief in collectivism is a lack of belief in oneself.

Libertarians are for Austrian Economics.
That means a 100% backed or accountable monetary system that cannot be printed at will and devalued like the current debt based fiat system can be.

This factor alone makes Libertarians THE BIGGEST THREAT to the status quo and the jew overlords.

This is why libertarianism is constantly attacked and NatSoc is promoted as it keeps government relevant and even worshipped.

If you've fallen for the natsoc meme, you have fallen for pol psyops and social influencers.

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>Socialism is redistribution of wealth
Marxist Socialism, yes. National Socialism, no. The only thing they have in common is the word “socialism”. You are a fucking retard.

Happy Hanukkah!

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Only the stupidest of libertarians are for Austrian economics, which rivals the natsoc meme in both evil and illogicality.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to want the government to waste its (and the people's) resources on backing up the currency when the market will do the job for free!

Not when it's the legal settlement of a debt.

neither of those are lolbert signs

are you a retard?

I'm already aware Libertarian-right is a dying race. Accept the fact that things will only continue to get worse.

In the end, the only way to keep your life or your dignity is living in a rural area with a plethora of ammunition.

btw OP, The blue line represents officer's lives in duty. Libertarian-right ideology isn't about handing over complete control to big gov, its regulating and remaining skeptical in every move they make. Faggot.

>Only the stupidest of libertarians are for Austrian economics
>You'd have to be a complete idiot to want a backed currency

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Any libertarian who doesn't understand Austrian economics and support it to at least some degree can go on a free helicopter ride with the commies.

I say you owe me money. So give me money or I can beat you and lock you in a cage. These are the rules. I assume you agree.

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