Title is not a drill. My bf of almost two years told me yesterday he's thinking about converting to Mormonism. He's into esotericism, folk magic, "secret histories", UFO cults and /x/-related shit, and said he thinks the LDS is hiding some kind of super secret ancient knowledge. He went so far as to tell me he thinks the US government is covering up the archaeology which "proves" the Book of Mormon because if revealed it would crash the system (or something).
I really love him and don't want to see him join a money-grubbing cult which has a history of dishonesty and deceit. What do?
He'll be done with LDS in a week if he's like that. With few exceptions, mormons are among the most soul-crushingly normie groups there are, and while they'll try to be nice to him, all his interests are going to leave him rapidly ostracized and miserable, and he'll leave.
Matthew Carter
He sounds like he's too baked to save, but you could get him to watch the Southpark episode where they expose Mormonism.
Thomas Butler
I was thinking it's just a phase of his as well, since he has a habit of pulling this shit. I was thinking: "Oh, he'll be over it in about three days and move on" but apparently he's serious about it. He texted me earlier today saying he wants to talk to a bishop about conversion and what he has to do to get in.
Lucas Jackson
>all his interests are going to leave him rapidly ostracized and miserable, and he'll leave. Aren't Mormons very occult though? I thought they had a theology similar to freemasonry, namely that rational individuals can become gods.
Aaron Williams
You need to ask a psychologist this question. I don't mean get therapy, although that could be an option if this bullshit keeps up, I just mean literally talk directly to someone with a masters or doctorate in psychology. I've never researched this particular complex, but your boyfriend has some sort of need to hold great secrets that compensate for his mundane day-to-day existence. Or, at minimum, he has a need for the world to hold great secrets. He needs mystery, needs there to be something wondrous about reality. Or maybe he doesn't outright need it to keep soldiering on, but the idea is too much of a treat for him to pass up on it, too intoxicating.
In all likelihood you'll need to find some new emotional keystone for him to use. His beliefs aren't predicated on logic, you need to find some new font of emotion he can sustain himself with. Good luck.
I used to hang out with a lot of wiccans for shits and giggles.
Ryan Lopez
I have no idea how their theology works, but mormon adherents strive, quite annoyingly, to be extremely traditional and normal. While they have some odd behaviors (secret underwear, some engage in polygyny), they REALLY are not cool with people who live nontraditional lifestyles and have blasphemous or profane beliefs ("folk magic" would probably fit in there).
Seriously, while you could probably take an occult reading to the LDS religion, the actual lifestyle is far from it. Seriously. They are some of the most aggravatingly stiff, serious, no-nonsense people I've ever met.
Whoever he talks to will probably be supportive and suggest he enroll in some kind of course. I mean, they'll probably take him, but he's not going to get any of the camaraderie or anything he seeks. Even if he goes all the way through it, he's going to be that guy who sits in the back pew at service, alone, and goes home and studies the bible. He's not gonna be at any worse risk of being exploited than he is with any of his other occultist fetishes.
And look at it this way, maybe he'll start dressing and cutting his hair more like a man (see OP pic related).
Bentley Powell
>("folk magic" would probably fit in there). Joseph Smith practiced folk magic though, and a large number of Mormon practices come from hermeticism.
Jordan Hughes
Oh boy a counterexample. I guess that means one of the most conservative religious organizations in the country is going to accept your weirdo boyfriend into their ranks without batting an eye.
I'm serious, he's going to make them really uncomfortable. They'll try to be nice to him, but they'll keep him at arms length and he'll be alone.
I'll give you an odd example. I was in grad school and this mormon guy was trying to be really friendly. His wife came by my place once just to visit, and that was cool and all. One day, she came by with cookies at random, and I answered the door in my bathrobe without realizing who was there (I figured it was a package). She was visibly uncomfortable even though it lasted all of a couple seconds, and after that her husband literally never spoke to me again. Nobody ever said anything about it, but it was like night and day.
Seriously, your guy is gonna go in there talking about folk magic, UFOs, and occult shit and they're just gonna get farther and farther away from him.
Angel Jackson
To add to what said: I'm guessing your bf has long hair, smokes pot, and does psychedelics like acid, shrooms, and peyote. All of that is prohibited by the Church and could get him excommunicated if they found out. He will have to cut his hair, cut *all* drugs out of his life (he won't even be able to drink tea, imagine that), get married ASAP, and start having Mormon kids. Plus he'll have to give 10% of his money to the Church for the rest of his life, proof they're more of a corporation than an actual religion.
The LDS isn't the Illuminati even if they steal some aspects of their religion from the Freemasons and Cabalists. Your bf is going to realize your average Mormon family is worse than your average Evangelical Bible Belt family and leave on his own free will if he's not kicked out first. The person whom he's seeing about conversion will ask him multiple questions about his lifestyle and will demand he either "cleans up" or leaves.
Logan Powell
Good answers. I'll let him know this.
>Seriously, your guy is gonna go in there talking about folk magic, UFOs, and occult shit and they're just gonna get farther and farther away from him. >The LDS isn't the Illuminati even if they steal some aspects of their religion from the Freemasons and Cabalists. Yeah he thinks the Mormon higher-ups know a shitload of secret wisdom, have contact with E.T.s, know all sorts of occultic history of this continent, etc. He even said he thinks the Book of Mormon is true because there's some evidence of complex societies found in the American Midwest which could be the civilization described in the BoM. When I asked him for proof he said the American government knows it's true but are covering it up. He also said Mormon knowledge of this shit is why the Mormons were persecuted so harshly for years (no clue how he can explain why the US almost had a Mormon president and how Mormons are highly prevalent in the American government as it is).
I don't get why he thinks he'll advance high enough in the church to be one of those higher-ups. From doing research it seems like the head honchos of the LDS are multiple generation Mormons and not converts.
Hudson Baker
>Yeah he thinks the Mormon higher-ups know a shitload of secret wisdom, have contact with E.T.s, know all sorts of occultic history of this continent, etc. He even said he thinks the Book of Mormon is true because there's some evidence of complex societies found in the American Midwest which could be the civilization described in the BoM. Oh my god they will run him out of there as fast as they can.
Remember that the Mormons got run out of the midwest and other communities because they were weird and had to resettle in Utah, and then the feds sent troops and massacred them. They are (certainly at a cultural level) TERRIFIED of looking like a cult because of this history, which is in my view why they tend to put on such a facade of purity and normalcy.
Matthew Scott
SHUT UP AND HAVE 10 CHILDREN.
Andrew Adams
Occult has nothing to do with fetishes or is it evil. The occult has to do with history of religions/groups that are obscure. I think you are confusing the word occult with cult. There were many Catholic men and Christian men in history that had roots in occult for god. A good example is alchemy. I think you need to read up on history more just because something does not fall under your personal beleifs does not mean it is evil or cult like.
Andrew Richardson
>They are (certainly at a cultural level) TERRIFIED of looking like a cult because of this history, which is in my view why they tend to put on such a facade of purity and normalcy. Well are they pure and normal, or is it just a cover for their darker practices? That's what my bf said when I pressed him on this exact thing, said the church is actually a UFO cult but styles itself as very clean and family friendly in order to hide their true agenda.
Brandon Lewis
He's bat-shit crazy. You should be less worried about him joining a cult and more worried about how you're going to get out of this relationship without getting murdered.
Alexander Jenkins
No, we've been together for almost two years. Everything has been smooth thus far. It's only this which has pushed me over the edge.
Carson Torres
>Occult has nothing to do with fetishes or is it evil. You're retarded. I'm literally saying this guy has a fetish for the occult. Which is what he has. Take your head out of your ass. Your bf is retarded. Even if they were as he says, he'd get drummed out of there immediately for being a pothead.
Aiden Cook
Just curious, does the LDS really prohibit psychedelic drugs, or just smoking and alcohol?
Also, do you buy the notion that the LDS really is hiding some "dark secrets" or do you think it's all nonsensical hype made up by their enemies?
Lucas Campbell
You seem like a very angry person. I would not take advice from this guy OP.
The best advice I can give is make him aware that you are uncomfortable with it. My husband is Christian where as I am open to learning about people rather than putting myself to one religion. My father is a pastor and raised me to be this way so that I could understand others and decide for myself what I wanted. Last year there was a church for a different religion than my husbands I really wanted to take pictures of it was a historical building he was not comfortable because it went against his beliefs to go inside a church of a different religion. My husband and I have been together for 7 years and have not had issues in that aspect just be honest and respect that you may have different religious beleifs. If you are not comfortable going to his church tell him and if he does not respect that you are not comfortable then I can imagine there are other issues at play other than religion.
Levi Lee
>Just curious, does the LDS really prohibit psychedelic drugs, or just smoking and alcohol? They absolutely prohibit recreational drugs, and for them that INCLUDES caffeine. I don't know exactly how prescribed medicine works, but I imagine it's kind of like Jews and Muslims when it comes to pork-derived medical products: Fine if medically necessary and no alternative.
>Also, do you buy the notion that the LDS really is hiding some "dark secrets" or do you think it's all nonsensical hype made up by their enemies? I think they're no more sinister than any other organized religion. So if you think organized religion is itself sinister, then yes, LDS is sinister.
Michael Nguyen
Wow, you sound incredibly shallow. I am very sorry for your husband.
Lincoln James
Blow it out your ass.
Kayden Johnson
As I was researching, part of me was thinking they play up the "secrecy" part of their religion specifically to draw in New Agers like my bf. I even saw a YouTube video by an ex-Mormon who said the (allegedly) occultic higher-ups don't even believe in their doctrines, they just play along with it because the Church is a corporation at this point and they need to keep generating profits.
Grayson Howard
I am sorry for your cynical behavior I hope that your sense of entitlement does progress as you get older and even more bitter. Life is too short to be snarky user all it does is make you even more isolated than you already are. That false sense of being better than everyone else does not protect you from the fact of how lonely and irritable you are. May you find peace at some point in your life time user.
Blake Ross
I think part of the big issues lies with the fact OP boyfriend is going off of hear say from /x/ rather than finding actual information on the topic by good sources.
Nathan Taylor
I'm OP. And yes I did research into the Mormons as soon as my bf told me he wanted to join.
Angel Nguyen
You are a sad, sad person if you can take a single sentence and derive all of that from it. I'm praying for you.
Jordan Green
You mistook my post I was saying that your boyfriend did not properly research it. There is a lot of religious cult stuff on /x/ I noticed the past two years an increase in Mormon posting. I grew up in a community that was 90% Mennonite it's simular to Mormons. It's not really something I would recommend the women are treated more like child bearing dolls than humans with ambitions.
Adam Edwards
Save your praying for yourself you will need it if that's how you treat people.
Austin Rogers
No, I hear you. And you're exactly right in that my bf is basing everything he knows about the Mormons from stuff he's seen on YouTube, /x/, and occult/UFO/"secret history" forums.
Nolan Young
To be fair, you aren't acting like a person.
Luke Brooks
>I grew up in a community that was 90% Mennonite Pennsylvania?
Sebastian Price
Religion makes people high and mighty anything bad can be erased. Modern religion is lacking on the morals they were founded on.
Find books on the topic for him to believe. It just sounds like he wants something to believe in to distract away from his reality. Does he take videogames too serious as well?
Colton Sullivan
>Modern religion is lacking on the morals they were founded on. Often the foundational morals are undeveloped or simply wrong. Catholicism is an excellent case study in how the raw morals that existed at the founding of the religion can go through some real twisting (i.e., the middle ages) but become quite advanced in modern times. Catholic social teaching, for instance, is amazingly nuanced, far more so than the Baptists who go around pulling bible quotes out of thin air.
Sebastian Lee
>When I asked him for proof he said the American government knows it's true but are covering it up.
Ask him why he believes this. Like you said there are a ton of Mormons working in US politics and government agencies. If anything they'd have more than enough motivation to prove their religion true by manipulating archaeology and the historical record for their own end.
As for the complex civ: yes there's evidence of some Native American pyramids in Mississippi, but that in itself proves nothing. The battle on Hill Cumorah is described by the Mormons as having been a battle with millions of people with swords, chariots, and horses yet we can't find a shred of evidence to support it. Meanwhile archaeologists can find every single battle which took place in Greece, the Middle East, Asia and everywhere else.
Yes...the archaeology that Jesus came to visit the native Americans and then that guy found a golden tablet underneath a rock somewhere that has the commandments 11-19? Such a shame that the cia is keeping all of that important Intel under wraps.
Also...how could you love someone so mentally ill?
David Nguyen
Lol you're dumb just fyi.
Ryan Bailey
Scientology actually copied most of their doctrines from Mormonism, true fact.
He's not mentally ill at all, he's just into some weird shit. He claims the American government is covering up the evidence which proves Mormonism true but never gave me a reason to believe him other than "it would shake the foundations of the world."
Landon Perry
Can you reread your post? A religion can't be true or untrue. That's some dead sea scroll shit right there. There's plenty of archaeological evidence for other religions ..that doesn't mean the Egyptian god Set is coming to slay you like on that mummy movie. Or that Ragnarok is happening.
That's like saying that Islam or Christianity is true. Or more specifically, it's like saying Methodist or Roman Catholic is true. It's a logical non-starter and you and your boyfriend both seem like idiots.
I had a boyfriend once who believed that aliens built the pyramids, ala Stargate. That's something you just pat their head and say nice story and then get a new boyfriend.
Evan Gonzalez
>Aren't Mormons very occult though? They are not. If anything they are the most anti-occult christian group I've met.
Dylan Sanchez
Their theology comes from freemasonry and hermetic doctrines. The belief that humans can become gods, for example, is a concept deeply rooted in hermeticism.
Jack Ortiz
Good ol southpark
Carter Robinson
Dum dum dum dum dum.
Colton Ramirez
>There's plenty of archaeological evidence for other religions ..that doesn't mean the Egyptian god Set is coming to slay you like on that mummy movie. Or that Ragnarok is happening. I see.
Julian Davis
Show interest in macho men. They pretend to be it and if he cares he'll try to live up to it and at that point its a bunch betas pretending to be the real deal. Always has been.
Ethan Miller
I don't know, what is it?
Henry Flores
You might as well be arguing shit about Catholicism based on the stupid things the Pope did during the middle ages. Or that Christianity is a pagan religion because the entire Christmas myth and all the accoutrements of the Christmas holiday originated in pagan traditions.
Just because a religion has mysticistic elements doesn't mean its adherents would be welcoming of someone obsessed with mysticism.
Seriously, you've been going off on this tangential bullshit for the entire thread. At this point I'm of the opinion that you're as retarded as your boyfriend. You should probably try to join with him.
Caleb Moore
Roman Catholicism interpreted in a social justice and socialist way.
Aiden James
>Just because a religion has mysticistic elements doesn't mean its adherents would be welcoming of someone obsessed with mysticism. Tell that to him.
Colton Walker
You know, the LDS *could* be open to someone really new agey. They'd just ask him to change and brainwash him until all of his UFO/mystical shit in his head dries up. After all, wasn't WifeWithAPurpose some kind of pagan-Gnostic before becoming a Mormon?
Ian Wright
Oh yea. They'll definitely happily accept him and try to change his heretic ways. Despite popular believe I found mormons to be very open, friendly people, always happy to bring their non-mormon friends to service. No pressure though.
Noah Evans
Honestly if he cleaned himself up (i.e., quit smoking pot and everything else stupid he does) I think it'd probably do him some good.
OP, speaking as someone with a mom who went down this rabbit hole, hammer this out sooner than later. It starts with easy stuff, like not believing in the moon landing, and quickly moves to cults and shit Your BF has to know hes a gullible idiot, and honestly it probably would have helped my mom had we just been up front about it in the beginning, that you cant believe everything you read or hear.
David Hughes
Not sure, DESU, because his esoteric obsessions are what made me attracted to him in the first place.
Nathan Jones
You can't stop dumb people from doing dumb shit. And mormon is pretty dumb. But, I'm one who thinks religion for the most part is just dumb, so I'm biased. My point is, you shouldn't hang around dumb people. It's a bad scene.
Xavier Parker
Does your bf listen to David Icke by chance?
Ethan James
He's not dumb. At all. He's actually very educated, has a grad school degree in psychology.
No.
Mason Murphy
>has a grad school degree in psychology. ... was it awarded by the University of Pancakes or something?
Austin Rogers
No. Again, he's very smart, he's only into weird things like this.
Easton Jenkins
To be "into weird things" to such an extent that he feels the need to infiltrate a religion, he has to have something seriously wrong with him.
He sounds like one of those guys who studied psych because he wanted to understand himself better and maybe cure his serious psych problems. Cause he's got 'em.
Alexander Mitchell
Don’t complain, my gf wants me to become muslim for her (she is muslim).
Sometimes, i wish i could just have met a normal girl.
I dunno what is wrong these days, why are normal sane people so hard to find on the dating market?
Jose Sanders
>my gf wants me to become muslim for her (she is muslim). Heh. I dodged that bullet. Met a girl online who was a Muslim from fucking Sudan. Had a massive crush on her.
Found out later that she had a crush on some other guy, and that she wouldn't have even considered looking for men outside the religion, let alone marrying.
Very sweet girl though.
Benjamin Morales
Your boyfriend sounds like he was a fucking moron long before he decided to become a mormon
Kevin Rogers
>she is muslim >Met a girl online who was a Muslim from fucking Sudan. Had a massive crush on her. Literally what the fuck is wrong with you people.
Owen Evans
>Literally what the fuck is wrong with you people. Hey it was like eight years ago. I was lonely and a KHV. I grew out of it and bedded down a regular girl.
Liam Phillips
>wouldn't have even considered looking for men outside the religion
My gf used to be like that.
Problem is i licked her cunt, and made her love me, and now she does not want to go.
I think she will come regardless of what i choose to do.
She is thai, so at least we can stay far away from her parents.
Noah Sullivan
They're not islamophobic bigots :^)
Leo Rivera
Islam itself sucks, make no mistake. But the people practicing it are not all bad.
Many were born into it. They had no way to choose for themselves what to belive.
Carter Morris
>There is people who unironically advocate for Islam. SJWs are a joke.
>He went so far as to tell me he thinks the US government is covering up the archaeology which "proves" the Book of Mormon because if revealed it would crash the system (or something).
Show him that Alex Jones has testified under oath to be playing a character. If this doesn't change anything then your bf is also playing a character.
>BAN ALL CHRISTIANS From where? Their own countries!? Christians are already hunted down on Islamic countries, and I'm not even religious myself, but I do rather live among Christians than with a bunch of savages who treats women like slaves, fuck children, and execute homos, Christians aren't as half as dangerous as mudslimes, but I would still be happy if all fairy tales went to the trashcan so we can focus on real deal.
Joseph Williams
>savages who treats women like slave Yeah, never seen a Christian sex cult before, nope, not once. >fuck children Have you met the Catholics? >and execute homos Oh, so it's not cool to execute them, just ostracize them from society?
All religions have nutjobs, all religions are stupid, yours doesn't get a pass just because it's not nigh-universally persecuted.
Hunter Rodriguez
Mormonism is the best branch of Christianity.
I hope he maintains his faith and ditches your selfish roastie ass. He'd be much better off without you trying to control him and judging his hobbies and beliefs.
>we went from tripfag to avatarfag I'm not surprised, just pointing this out I would not be shocked if you were once a tripfag, either
Noah Richardson
Are you replying to the right post? What the fuck are you talking about?
Connor Rodriguez
>tripfag ... except we've not had one in this thread.
I think you need to go to sleep now.
Owen Nelson
>Trying to prove a point with cherry picking Not impressed, but nice try.
>All religions have nutjobs, all religions are stupid, yours doesn't get a pass just because it's not nigh-universally persecuted. I know that you're triggered because I've attacked your religion, but if you pay attention, I agreed with that statement on the post you replied to, the thing is, Christians aren't remotely as dangerous as Muslims, that's a FACT, and theres no amount of cherry picking you can do to prove that wrong.
Thomas Jackson
pic related for your attention, since that seems to be in alarmingly short supply tripfags are an asset of Jow Forums, not just this thread, which is not exclusively Jow Forums
Jonathan Howard
>says pic related >posts no pic >says we aren't paying attention I have no fucking idea what's going on anymore.
Nicholas Torres
Show me one historic writing saying jesus fucked a 10 year old.
Joseph Sanders
>Or that Ragnarok is happening. Turn your dreams into reality
Juan Barnes
He's not stupid at all though. He's very intelligent. Again, his issue is that he has weird interests which take him into all sorts of weird places.
Christian Price
I grew up non-Mormon in Utah. Shit is fucking bizarre.
Living in Utah is like living in a 1950s time warp. Outside of SLC there are virtually no bars or cafes, yet soda shops and candy stores are quite common. No one swears, the worst thing you'll hear is "golly gee!" or "darn it!". Women all wear long skirts and it's very rare to see any slut in a tank top and short shorts.
It wasn't until I moved to Colorado for college that I noticed how fucked up Utah is.
But in all seriousness, Mormons are some of the most bluepilled people you'll ever meet in your life. Even if you want to believe the higher ups in the Church are redpilled and have alien contacts and knowledge of lost American civilizations and secret God-wisdom, the rank-in-file are boring as hell. Your boyfriend will probably lose interest long before he'll be able to advance to that level. In that way it's like Scientology whereby the "true" teachings are only for those who have spent years and hundreds of thousands of dollars for the org. In other words it's trash. Your bf would be better off joining an occult or new age group first.
Hudson Mitchell
>Yeah, never seen a Christian sex cult before, nope, not once. That's kind of telling. You're having to compare weirdo cults when we still have Muslim countries making it govt policy to kill gays and still fund witch hunters. Discounting the differences between the Bible and the Koran, Christians have for the most part left their stupid shit in the past at least relative to Muslims.
>Oh, so it's not cool to execute them, just ostracize them from society? Yeah it's kind of leagues better to just be a prick than to actually kill them. I mean I still can't help but think back to how Marilyn Manson thought he was hard core for attacking Christians, but said the people at Charlie Hebdo were asking for it when Muslims attacked him.
You don't want him to wear the sexy white holy undergarnment?
Leo Walker
Mormon underwear looks like shit too.
Jack Thompson
DELET
Nathan Cruz
>He's very intelligent If someone were to be intelligent he or she could differentiate between bullshit and reasonable. Your boyfriend doesn't seem to be very intelligent, he sounds like he has ADHD
Jonathan Diaz
Well, psychos will think what they think. I had a friend convert once thinking it would help him stay clean off drugs (didn't work), and he went on a mission, got engaged, and even performed post-mortem baptisms at their huge creepy temple in Beverly Hills, but that's it. Fucked an ex-mormon who's father is a bishop (or its equivalent) in Georgia, and they are nothing more than another weird, exclusive, tightly-knit religious community.
Poor boy is in for a lot of disappointment.
Evan Walker
Make him read "The demon-haunted world" by Carl Sagan, perhaps he can regain some sense.
Bentley Lopez
The problem with islamists is that they follow the quran to the word.
Also, the fact thar christianity is also bad does not make Islam any better.
Also, if you look at the number of ongoing religious conflicts in the world (syria, gaza and the west bank, nigeria, india-pakistan, afghanistan etc) im sure a majority of them can be attributed to islam.
Even the conflict in chechenya was due to islam, and yeah, actually the conflict in bosnia during the 90’s was also due to islam. And the list goes on..
Nicholas Russell
Good news, happy for you user Ignoring the islam thing, he had a "crush" on a dirty sudanese over the Internet.
Sebastian Rivera
No, he's just into weird stuff.
Daniel Wilson
Joseph Smith was a well known conman and liar. And his entire story is retarded as fuck.
>Meets an “angel” who says lots of shit in anglicized pseudo-hebrew >”Angel” teaches him things to write down on gold plates >Friend pretends to lose plates to test again >Suddenly the angel calls it a “sin” and paraphrases what he said before >Theology is basically the same as the other bizarro american cults popping up at the time
