Why did we lose the ability to commercially fly supersonic planes?

Yes, the Concorde was expensive to operate, but at least we had it around. Why is it not possibld to develop and build a successor plane? Are we technically too stupid to engineer supersonic planes which are cheap enough for commercial flight?

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>it was a waste of money but at least it was cool
hmmmm

>Are we technically too stupid to engineer supersonic planes which are cheap enough for commercial flight?

Yes

It wasn't a waste of money.
It just wasn't as rentable than the other planes.

The most profitable flights are domestic and we're fully invested in the hub and spoke system.

>it was expensive as all fuck and impractical, why don't we use it anymore?

>expensive to operate
From what I understand this is the problem. Going supersonic puts a lot of stress on the plane which then needs expensive repairs to operate safely. Really not viable unless you're a massive corporation / government / billionaire.
>Are we too stupid to engineer supersonic planes which are cheap
Yes.

Yes, it was cool. Just not commercially viable at the end. Why can’t we engineer a cheaper supersonic plane? Are our engineers dumb?

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There is a market for international flights. And there are millions of passengers willing to pay up to 5000 bucks per flight for first class or business class for long distance flights.

Have you dealt with the airline industry at all?

It's a soulless machine that treats everyone equally like shit and takes no responsibility for anything and never gets held accountable.

If you were ever to take the time and raise a grievance you either miss your flight and lose thousands of dollars and they don't give a fuck or you get randomly selected for a cavity search and they still don't give a shit about you.

If it's not getting the executives and shareholders short term profits they're not interested.

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the need for the big boys to fly as fast as possible around the world became less.
since the coming of internet most communication can be easily done though mail/videoconferencing.

Not commercially viable because of the huge running cost plus high ticket prices. Not to mention you can work in an airplane now, so the transit time isn't a huge issue. Also sonic boom makes it so it can only fly supersonic over oceans.

Basically the free market killed it.

I don’t want them back. They were really noisy!

there is a huge increases in drag when you approach the sound barrier
its not the kind of engineering problem you solve with a different wing shape
it would have to be solved in some more drastic way, like fuel cells than don't have any mass

Air travel for business in Europe is quite nice. I never had an issue with Lufthansa, Air France, and recently even British Airways.

Not enough people fly them to warrant the cost.
You needed to have two concordes at every port.

Not really, most of those seats are taken up by boomers with rewards points.

Plus, the need to "physically" be somewhere is decreasing rapidly. I can Skype you for free.

Didn't it basically get shut down because of a crash? Might have been more of a "final nail in the coffin" thing for an already dying concept, but still.

I've wondered about this sort of thing a lot recently, and it depresses me. The US space program is a perfect example: went from landing humans on the moon to merely taking them into low earth orbit. Now we don't even do that.

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>Are our engineers dumb?
Depends on how many diversity hires we have. Most likely they are limited by materials available and difficulties designing around the stress they are subjected to.

It's a simple matter of keeping the plane light enough to fly but strong enough not to be ripped apart. Look at the problems military planes face and it would likely be even worse for a civilian aircraft.

> Rentable
En anglais on dit "cost effective".

We didn’t lose the ability, faggot. It was aging and dated. Faggot.

as you approach the speed of sound you start to get diminishing returns, due to air resistance. it's not worth it to throw more energy into the system after a certain point

Concorde was a fucking marvel of Anglo-French innovation.

It's just one example of why I think Britain and France are such great allies.

And it's also why I think Britain should stay in the EU. When European brothers work together, we can achieve amazing things.

Rule Britannia, Vive la France, and Hail Evropa!

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> Why can’t we engineer a cheaper supersonic plane? Are our engineers dumb?
The French abandoned all this first world STEM stuff and dived into a journey to become the next Brazil.

> inb4 muh Embraer

Working together shouldn't require dying together.

supersonic cost too much to be worth investing right now

and the supersonic boom made everyone angry so you would have to wait until you are over the ocean to go supersonic

Viva La Frazil

or fly at night so nobody notices

Us air craft companies are currently making the next level developments for super Sonic flight.

>Changing shape of craft to reduce shockwave shape and thud noise as well as air resistance
>Better engine design for high speed flight, less fuel consumption and lowered wear
>Materials research for lighter weight yet conductive surfaces

It's happening but slowly cause this shit ain't simple. If you gonna do it, do it right which neither the French nor Soviets did.

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Study pic related. Concorde was developed assuming oil below $20/bbl (in today's $). The moment the first oil crisis hit, the project immediately became economically unsound, and all clients except BA and AF cancelled orders. (Yes, airlines wanted to buy Concorde). As for AF and BA, it was propped up with taxpayer money as a prestige boondoggle.
Oil has now dropped back to $50/bbl, and, interestingly, there is now talk of developing a supersonic passenger transport using Reaction Engines / SKYLON technology. As this requires only 2x efficiency improvement over the original Concorde it may be economical to build -- unless the oil price rises again.

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Based and Europilled

You can't fly supersonic above populated areas. So NY to LA is out of the questions because the Sonic boom would disrupt a lot of shit. You can only fly beyond the speed of sound over the ocean. That really limits it's uses. It just wasn't financially profitable.

No it's because the Earth is flat faggot and it's a waste of money

it looks like a jew

You can fly supersonic above populated areas if you keep the sonic boom over unpopulared areas / the sea. Or you engineer the shock elements out of going supersonic, which is possible.

Ukraine+Moldova into the EU?
Nah, thanks

Expensive, wasteful, loud. It won't come back except for a few super rich people and a few tyrant rulers.

And all the Balkan niggers?

>NY to LA is out of the question
Both are next to the ocean, so you can fly 100 km out to cross the sound barrier.
In fact, Nixon wanted to build a supersonic passenger plane, but project got killed by Sen. Cliff Anderson as a revenge for Nixon killing Anderson's pet project (nuclear rocket).

you can't build something that could be mistaken for a fighting jet

It was economic sabotage by the Americans because they were buttburt they didn't have the best plane.

Seriously, they ran smear campaigns after before and after the crash, which really hurt the concords revenue.

There's less chance of anybody dying when the EU is strong, because it means European nations are stronger against our enemies.

Indeed, my Catalan friend.

It would piss off the R*ssians, and therefore it's worth it.