How aggressive should i be in pursuing women for hook up sex?

How aggressive should i be in pursuing women for hook up sex?

I talk to a lot of girls, under the guise of language exchange, (though i am genuinely learning), and they seem into me, and we talk a lot and they often intiate, some go as far as to outright call me handsome. Yet, as much as i want to bang them, im too scared of being seen as a creep, as only wanting sex, or i think as soon as i ask, i'll have got it wrong and they don't want it and thats the end of that.

I'm new to this game, how aggressive and outright can i be about meeting up to fuck with girls?

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Depends on a variety of factors, including the girls themselves. Honestly, just try different things. Experiencing failure is fine.

Just be smart and look at the girls' friend groups. If you end up with the reputation of being a fuckboy, just make sure that the girl either doesn't care or doesn't know.

"Aggressive" and "honest" are not the same thing. Being honest about what you want is not the same as being aggressive about it. You are not being honest with them, so you are not getting anywhere. If you want to hook up, you need to do something towards that goal.

Do you even flirt with them? Ask them out? If you are looking for hook-ups, set meetings near your place or some motel, ask them out at night, and break the contact barrier.

Just remember, if you are meeting all these girls in the same place (a class or something) you will develop a reputation. I'm not saying this to scare you, go ahead and ask some girls out. Just don't ask every single one out one after the other. It makes you look bad.

Son I was just about to make a thread/rant about this.

I went out with a Filipina last night, the first Filipina I had in years (I moved to the US after High School, from the Philippines) and last night I was reminded of the reason why.

A little about me, I was told to be good looking, even in white standards. No problems hooking up in college, and tinder, bumble etc.with girls of any other ethnicity. So what happened last night is nothing but grade-a filipina bullshit.

You see user, if you ever find yourself dating a Filipina she will make you invest but it will get you nothing in the end. I tried to go for a makeout a few times while I was dropping her off and she insists that its not just what she does on the first date. WTF. I tried to be light hearted and playful and playful about it. But ultimately I didnt get shit from her. Instead what I got was a promise that maybe we will see each other again and maybe if I stick it out and pay for her shit, validate her ego and attention-whoring tendencies that I will get a makeout. Like a good fucking puppy!

I dont know, I am just venting. Fuck this shit. White guys, take these bitches please. I dont want to deal with this. The more white guys that take these hell-forged creatures, the more it will free up girls of every other race.

/rant over

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Same user as that, I was very aggressive. I find that its better to err on too much aggressiveness than too little.

If you want to fuck you don't approach it as if you like them or them like you personally. That doesn't matter and if you act as if its a courtship they won't fuck you. Remain detached

Actually I'm not in their country yet, i'll be travelling there in summer and im just talking to a lot of girls online who live there. I am really trying to improve my language too. They always seem to have basic fluency in English though, whereas im just capable of ordering food or introducing myself. I'll be travelling the entire country and spending a week or so in each major city so i can bang without consequences really, thats sort of my plan.

Just now one has told me my voice is really nice, im considering just asking her if she wants to meet when i go. But hell maybe they just can't help it, i do have a nice deep voice, and its nothing more than an innocent compliment. Some have also offered to show me around their city, one is even a tour guide but offered for free. There's another whose in her 30s but fine as fuck, literally talks to me daily, says good morning and good night. But im still unsure, AM I RETARDED??

I try to flirt, i say they're cute and shit when they send me pictures, but it doesn't seem to lead anywhere other than continued talking.

Luckily im not going to the Philippines.

You are the perfect example for OP You were aggressive and insistent, trying several times to make out with her even after she turned you down. And it didn't work. Because he wasn't on the same page as you.

So aggression won't get you laid. Being honest and finding someone that wants what you want will.

Thanks for supporting my point.

OP here, by aggression i dont mean being extremely pushy and forceful, my issue is i am not doing anything towards it, because im too worried that if i even hint at it they will run away. As cringy as it sounds im too much of a gentleman, i wont pressure them into anything, i led them lead, all my last girlfriends came onto me.

>but it doesn't seem to lead anywhere other than continued talking.

How can it lead anywhere but talking if you are not in the same country?

Also, my sweet naive boy, you need to realize it's easier to say things online because you are not face to face. Just because they call you handsome over chat doesn't mean they will go out with you.

Try talking to girls face to face in your own country, mate.

Make outs are like handshakes nowadays, user. I miscalculated her concerns as token resistance (so she don’t feel easy/cheap), shoot my shot and missed. I would rather have tried and failed than be meek.

Oh yeah I agree with you with your other point. You have to find someone who wants what you want. Sure you can use subterfuge and lie that you want a relationship. But I don’t think it’s efficient af.

The key is reading between the lines, no girl will overtly state she just wants the dick.

As I said, you need to be "honest". Also, you need to stop building shit up in your head just because you chat with them.

I'm the same user as here , so make a single reply to me.

One degree below going to jail

Dunno, maybe im hoping for sexting or dirty pictures, or just a "lets hook up when you come".

In the west at home you can only really fuck club sluts, im not interested in that, and apparently language exchange is basically just a way to find foreigners to fuck according to forums on this topic.

>I would rather have tried and failed than be meek.

That's fine, we all misread situations with girls. I'm not calling you out for that.

I'm calling you out for this:

>I tried to go for a makeout a few times while I was dropping her off

"a few times"

Dude, she turned you down. You still insisted and now come here to make a racial rant. You need to learn to deal with rejection in a healthier way.

>In the west at home you can only really fuck club sluts, im not interested in that

So you'd rather hook up with a slut that fucks a new guy from around the world each week?

Assuming the forums are right, how is that better than hooking up at a club? I think you just prefer this because you can avoid real interaction by chatting with them.

I mean im not into clubbing, not not into fucking them.

But i suspect most of these girls im talking to have barely met a foreigner. I do prefer to chat online first, i have no game.

>"a few times"
>Dude, she turned you down.

In my defense, a lot of my tinder dates will insist that they dont hook up on the first date, no makeouts the first date, etc. but once I break that ceiling (be aggressive enough to get the makeout after a few attempts) usually they are even more into it and now want me to go up with her at her apartment. I see it as their test to see if you are the real deal.

>You still insisted and now come here to make a racial rant. You need to learn to deal with rejection in a healthier way.

I mean the other option is completely losing my shit at her. So shitposting on Jow Forums is lightyears than that.

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>But i suspect most of these girls im talking to have barely met a foreigner.

I thought "language exchange is basically just a way to find foreigners to fuck". Do you really think you are the first dude to do that? (Assuming that's true, of course. If it's not true, then you are just wasting your time.)

>I do prefer to chat online first, i have no game.

And you won't become better by avoiding it. Want to flirt and hook up? Go out, flirt, and hook up. THere's no other way to become accustomed to it.

You said they offered you guides. Take them up on their offers and see where it leads. If you think they are into you, just go for it. Best way is probably to get some drinks (not too much, dont get whiskey dick lol) then go for it.

THe worst that could happen is that they say no. Unless youre being a tool ofc.

>I mean the other option is completely losing my shit at her. So shitposting on Jow Forums is lightyears than that.

No, you don't need to get aggressive about it. She turned you down, that's all. You can move on. You are creating a false dichotomy. There are plenty more options.

>once I break that ceiling (be aggressive enough to get the makeout after a few attempts) usually they are even more into it and now want me to go up with her at her apartment.

Just because that happened once doesn't mean all girls are like that.

>I do prefer to chat online first, i have no game.

Its a crutch, its good for practice. But the game is played out there. You'll see the more you talk IRL, the better you'll get.

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I'm not the first dude to do it but i can see these women have only recently made their accounts, and have little interaction with foreigners.

I will do, definitely, she's hot as fuck too, which is what throws me off a bit.

Yeah, I'm realising that. But i still need to set up a meeting with them first through this app.

>In my defense, a lot of my tinder dates will insist that they dont hook up on the first date, no makeouts the first date, etc. but once I break that ceiling (be aggressive enough to get the makeout after a few attempts) usually they are even more into it and now want me to go up with her at her apartment. I see it as their test to see if you are the real deal.
That's not the same as your thirsty ass trying to do something to a girl when she explicitly told you no multiple times.

I hope you're actually just bullshitting and you actually have no experience. If you aren't, LOL. It sounds like girls reject your moves pretty ofetn.

>No, you don't need to get aggressive about it. She turned you down, that's all. You can move on. You are creating a false dichotomy. There are plenty more options.

I bet my weight in gold that she would have a white guy's dick in her mouth within 30 minutes. I do think Filipina woman have their own bias and expectations towards FIlipino guys. At least women of other races will treat you like any other dude.

>Just because that happened once doesn't mean all girls are like that.
It happened A LOT OF TIMES, that now its my SOP

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>I'm not the first dude to do it but i can see these women have only recently made their accounts, and have little interaction with foreigners.

Then how do you know they are not really interested in learning? Maybe they don't know how it works yet, if they are so new to this.

Listen, you are a cliche. Passive, you avoid real life interaction and replace it with online ones. You think pretending to be into something will lead you to get laid, and you assume they are pretending too, even though most likely they are really just learning. You want an easy way to hook up but you are not willing to try the things you have at home, instead, you aim away, far, and go guided by a forum.

Going out more, even in other countries, will help you. But you need to temper your expectations and accept that actual experience will always trump what you read online. Don't expect to have things figured out when you have not even tried them out yet. You need a more active social life. Start getting one. And don't expect fast results. Good luck.

>I hope you're actually just bullshitting and you actually have no experience. If you aren't, LOL. It sounds like girls reject your moves pretty ofetn.

We are talking about token resistance, user.

Still mad, still lashing out. That's the unhealthy thing about your attitude. Hope you learn to handle it better eventually. No one likes to be rejected, but you need to find better way to cope than lashing out at her or building this racial conspiracy in your mind. Good luck man, I really hope you can break out of this toxic mindset.

Thanks user, appreciate it. Srs.

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>Then how do you know they are not really interested in learning? Maybe they don't know how it works yet, if they are so new to this.

I don't, thats kinda my thread dude.

I have a pretty active social life, but all the girls in it are awful, just like most British women, hence the interest in foreigners. I have been fairly succesful with foreign women here but never managed to follow it up, but i felt like we had good semi flirty conversations, but its really hard to meet them further, its the same issue, i feel like im being too pushy or aggressive if i ask to meet up, especially because i only want to fuck, not date.

You are just building foreigners up in your head because they are far away. You are setting yourself up for not trying. As soon as you start traveling you'll feel about them as you feel about British birds.

Why? Because you are the issue here. You are the one avoiding relationships. Everytime you find yourself making grand statements about "most" anything, you need to realize you are just generalizing. It's not that most women are wrong, it's that you are using a "sour grapes" defense to stop trying.

Deal with your issues, or traveling won't really help you.

>Thirsty
>"oh I dont make the moves, because I will look thirsty"

Supreme Gentleman detected. You really think a girl will explicitly say that she wants your dick?

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Dude, I'm not even that guy, but the point is that you get rejected, not that you make a move. Stop trying to make user look like an ass for calling you out. If she says "no", back off. It's not about being a white knight, it's about listening to a simple word.

>As soon as you start traveling you'll feel about them as you feel about British birds.
Eh i dont think so, in my experience the majority of British women are ugly with horrific attitudes, these women are happy, polite and fun, i enjoy their company as much as their looks.

But i will try more in my country first. I do get a kick out of it, i can see why its called a game.

Read the part about generalization again. I can't believe you don't see what you are writing right now.

Of course im generalising, its impossible to talk about women and countries if you dont generalise.

I can already tell the lot of you don’t have a lot of experience with women. You have no idea how changeable women are.

Pro-tip: look at what she does, not what she says, most of the time a “no” is spelled with a “Y-E-S”

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Stawman much? I never said that you fool. You will know if a girl is dtf then you make your moves. Randomly making moves just because "ERMAHGAD I NED SEHX"is the definition of being a serg.

Im not the person who has to repeatedly try to makeout with a girl only to get rejected. LOL. But yes, I have had girls tell me that they wanted to have sex. Its what happens when you're not a creepy little fuck who only gets stuff by pestering girls. Dont you think that sounds pathetic?

>token resistance
>" I tried to go for a makeout a few times while I was dropping her off and she insists that its not just what she does on the first date. "

Thats not token resistance. Thats her saying she doesnt want to make out with you.

Did you find your way here from TRP? or are you just deluding yourself because girls never say "okay"

Why do you need to talk about women like this? The issue is your own inability to put yourself out there. The fact that you generalize about women is just an excuse.

>all this projection and fantasy

Sperglord, the post.

Funny how everyone is a player on Jow Forums

>Pro-tip: look at what she does, not what she says, most of the time a “no” is spelled with a “Y-E-S”

Talked like a real asshole. Never accept a "no", keep pestering her. And if she rejects you, get mad and rant online.

You are the one without experience, man. If you had, you wouldn't be so desperate when it comes to women.

>being sexual is desperate

Hmmmm. Not sure if I am talking to a girl or...

I imagine you to be the sort to go thot-hunting and then complain about thots

Because you were asking about why i dont go for women at home. The answer is i dont really like them. And to be honest, i want to fuck foreign girls, theres a thrill in it.

You don't have to be a player to have a girl tell you she wants sex. Real life isn't an hentai or porno fantasy where the girls say no but is secretly enjoying it.

Real shit, I know exactly your pains.
Society tells you to have as much casual sex as possible, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. It just wasn't me, I was a fish on dry land in such a thing.

Just focus on self-improvement, a nice car, working out, dressing nice, reading good literature, and find a girl you actually want to spend time with. That's how you get laid in your position.

LMAO

You thought I was talking about how I expected the girls to act like in porn? That’s how I know you’re not very experienced.

What convinces someone to make such a cucky image

And that's the excuse! You are rejecting the girls near you with an excuse and putting your energy on girls hundreds of kilometers away.

You are avoiding.

huh? think about what you wrote. Your arguments don't even connect to each other anymore?

Idc what you think of me lol. And yes, if you think no means yes, you definitely have been watching too much hentai, or spend way too much time on TRP.

There is a difference between making a move and being overbearing. Can you not understand this?

>Ignoring her rejection is just being "sexual"

Are you just a basement dweller with delusions or are you a real rapist?

Look, I’m not gonna keep arguing with you two. Touching a woman inappropriately on the first date will get you further with her than not touching her at all. I’d rather be an aggressive, inconsiderate asshole than a polite little doormat.

Call it what you want.

>is so weak that he has to beg girls to makeout with him
>thinks hes "alpha"

Have fun being the adult version of the little cousin that constant asks if he can play games on your phone.

Have fun in jail. You'll have fun learning about consent with your new cellmates. Peace.

>begging
>Complains about having no girlfriend when his main way of meeting girls is sitting in a park waiting for them to walk up to him.

I thought Elliot Rodger killed himself

Not the guy you were talking to, but is this how bad it got in America? Because where I am right now, as long as she does not slap you, call the police, or leaves you can pretty much keep pushing. Within reason, of course.

Is it true that in America she can accuse you of rape if you try to talk to her?

Lol no, that’s just what the incels on this board want to believe so they can justify not trying.
For me personally, I love it when a girl is aggressive.

Do you live in fucking Somalia? And no tf.

Seriously tho, you guys are cool with having sex with a girl that doesnt want you? That's some weak shit Bros.

If you guys legitimately think girls are incapable of giving explicit consent or that explicitly refusing implies consent, that means no girl has ever really wanted you.

You guys can argue with me here but behind your computer screens you know it's true and that's all that matters.

>I talk to a lot of girls, under the guise of language exchange

So this is wm/af right?

Every time.

>Somalia

Might as well user, Somalis everywhere! No but as I said, she has the option to:

>call the cops
>hit you
>leave

It’s not like you are stopping her from doing any of those.

> Just want to fuck
> Don't want to appear as if you just want to fuck
> But literally just want to fuck and leave

My dude, that's called being manipulative and a piece of shit and will win you a ticket to jail. Are you married or something?

>jail
How

>inappropriately

At least you know you are in the wrong here.

user is being ridiculous, you won't go to jail for that. It's shitty and I doubt you can pull it off, but not a crime.

Just don't listen to the other user, the tjat says "no means yes". He is going to jail.

No mate i just have yellow fever

Come on, troll better.

you are missing the point, i dont want to outright say LETS FUCK incase i have the wrong end of the stick with them

im actually not

Flirting to show you are interested is not the same as being rude. Be honest, not aggresive.

Then you just gave a silly name to your avoidance tool.

Yeah.

I guess it more just comes down to the age old question, how do you know a girl is into you.

She wont compliment you if she isnt im guessing.

Flirting online is not the same than doing it face to face, though.

His question still applies

It isnt but in this age that is how a significant amount of it begins. Pretty much everyone chats online even if they initially met face to face.

I agree with him. What do you guys want a signed contract? Of course she will show some semblance of resistance, otherwise she will look like a hoe and she won’t make it easy for you otherwise she knows if she puts out that easy you will not respect her.

Know the difference between that and actual get-the-fuck-away-from-me vibe though.

But how do you know feigned resistance from actually not wanting to.

No, you don't agree with me. If a girl wants to make out or fuck, she does and end of story. Fake resistance is crap.

Try flirting in person before deciding a girl countries away wants your D.

What are you doing? Are you even reading or just responding?

>"Shit guys how do I flirt?"
>Try it in real life

This site is 18+. Don't give high school tier advice about people playing games. If I like you, I will not hide it. Guys who persist to be lascivious after I've told them I'm specifically not interested are creepers who get ghosted

There's no rules for flirting. It's just talking and showing interest. Try to do it and you'll see.

Oh im talking to a woman, that’s why lol

And you wonder why girls aren't into you.

Because women don't want a guy who will fuck them and never go out of his way to talk to them again, still be friends, still be in love with them. If you fuck a woman without getting clear consent that it's ONLY SEX and leave, and she feels used afterwards because you're no longer trying to get her attention (vagina), she can actually say you raped her. And women don't really want to fuck strangers anyway so you have to be friends first. Why not just try to get into a relationship and commit to one?

FUCKKKING
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KEKIMUS MAXIMUS

not even related to the op though

If that was OP, then it should help him. If that wasn't OP, then now he nows to ignore his advice.

New.

your post contradicts itself