So yes, recently I realized that I've spent insane amounts of time trying to get girls to like me.
Tired, I noticed that this was leading me nowhere. Yesterday I decided to give up on women and just go my own way, I wanted to know if anyone has donde this before and how they're doing with it?
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We call those men "single".
Not for everybody, but it happens.
I mean, just not caring at all, even when you get women glancing your way, you just don't give a fuck anymore, completely give up on that shit.
You: people will think you're gay
All men: women will fight over Chad, the losers will do their best to get a beta provider, many women will commit suicide because they're not used to men saying no
hahaha
I actually thought that if men just stopped paying attention to women the world would just go mad.
Jokes aside, If you focus on yourself and don't give a fuck about pussy you'll be more productive and maybe attract a nice lady. I mean, it's more attractive to be a man who doesn't give a fuck than some chad trying to desperately get laid.
I stopped after my 3rd awful relationship.
Nothing's really changed, I don't feel a third eye awakening. I treat women like equals now, all the relationships with women I've had turned to shit. I don't ditch my male friends for 'chicks i want to hook up with.'
I still have friends who are women, and any woman I meet I will still be friendly to, but that's it. Anything I do for a woman will be because I'm a friendly person. I don't like to be mean to people. I work in a predominantly female field so I encounter them.
I don't hate women. I'm internally bitter, and while hearing about promiscuity and cheating from co-workers and friends disgust me, I don't let my emotions affect my relationships inside and outside of work.
The difference, is that I'm not a doormat to be stepped on. I have friends who are female because our personalities match and I have a fun time getting food or watching a movie with them. When a girl starts acting like a bitch, jealousy, etc. I just stop being friends with her. I'm not obligated to be her door mat.
A lot of MGTOW and a lot of people who go this path present their anger externally, that means going on forums and calling women sluts and whores and whatever, and just overall hate women. My ideology is different, I don't hate women, I just don't want to be in a close, intimate relationship with one. That's a better stance. Focus your disgust with women internally, and self-improve.
I apologize if my english is off.
this, basically
-guy who posted long ass paragraph
OP here
I don't really agree with MGTOW, because in the end I do wish to end up marrying a nice girl.
The problem is that I'm at a point in my life where I'm still financially dependent on my family while I finish my studying, and will probably get a good job once I finish all of this.
The thing is that it seems that women won't pay me much attention until I'm actually successful or something I guess.
It sucks, I think I'll just give up on dating altogether and not actively look for a girl, just focus in growing as a person.
Because yes, I've spent insane amount of time trying to get girls to like me in the past, and it has taken a toll in my mental and emotional health. It's not worth it.
>because they're not used to men saying no
You've never actually talked to women ,haven't you?
And who taught you to be a doormat around women? Just treat women you want to fuck like any other person and don't bend back over backwards to get that pussy.
Problem solved, case closed, no need to abstain from sex and love forever.
Fuck me, you're a dramaqueen
Stop focusing on finding the right girl, start focusing on being the right guy. Things will come into play naturally
So here's a weird thing, all of my long term relationships the women have been the pursuer. Usually when I go after girls they just turn into booty calls or just don't work out. What the hell is this? I'm talking like 8 girls have come up and asked me out and we date for two years.
won't ever happen
too many thirsty betas
Giving up on women is not the goal; decoupling your sense of worth from the validation you get from women is. It is generally unattractive to people in general to interact with someone who needs your attention and validation. Any reasonable, socially aware person, man or woman, can see through the act and realize that you're not trying to get them to like you because you genuinely care about them as a person. You are doing it because if they return your affections then you feel validated. Nobody likes being used like that. Its a very uncomfortable feeling to realize that the person you're talking to is using you as their own personal coin operated validation machine. The trick is the older you quicker people catch onto it. When people say "stop caring" they mean start caring about yourself more than you care about how much other people like you. People who don't need validation in order to feel confident are inherently magnetic. Judgement, pettiness, projection, insecurity; we all wear them like neon signs on our forehead. Don't underestimate how perceptive other people can be of your inner dysfunction. You may think you hide it well but chances are you don't.
What about those MGTOW guys?
I just don't get it, how can you live your entire life without women in your life? I understand they don't have to be a focus but you can just go your own way and interact with women who seem genuinely interested in you (and fucking you).
Its a lifetime of bitterness but they fail to realize that the bitterness of their failure is self-perpetuated. Like I said, if you have no integrity and interact with women solely to acquire things that you want from them women will notice that. It doesn't matter how "nice" you are any relatively perceptive person can see through your act, especially women. This creates a cycle of rejection and desperation. They're rejected because of their desperation and they are desperate because they get rejected. Of course they want women in their life but the key is that they would rather frame their rejection as voluntary because making a choice to never be in a relationship is much easier than looking in the mirror and admitting that you have failed. The foundation of every one of these ideologies is avoiding responsibility. MGTOW is the equivalent of flipping the chess board and storming out of the room because you're losing. Not playing the game is, at least in their minds, a more noble choice than losing.
I agree, I've been reading some MGTOW forums and the ones I find most interesting are when they talk about how women start drooling all over them.
The thing is that they do that because the guys actually stopped giving a fuck about women and started to better themselves and focus in their lives.
Which is the entire point of being a man in the first place, none ones a desperate guy. Just go about your business, dress well and focus on yourself, you'll inevitanly attract a nice girl eventually.
Some copy pasta:
Summary: The Hobbyist is a man who, by default, doesn’t put pussy on a pedestal because that pedestal is already occupied by his obsession to master his chosen craft. He has little time for watching sports, playing video games, or mindless social media scouring because he enjoys doing things that require him to get off his ass and out of the house.
He regularly engages in hobbies such as hunting, building, working on cars, practicing a martial art or anything else that requires physical exertion, dedication, and attention to detail.
Because his schtick often requires long periods of isolation and seldom involves interaction with the opposite sex on a social or interpersonal level, pickup game is not his strong suit. However, women are naturally drawn to men who are deeply involved in masculine activities. This is what gets the Hobbyist more than his share of female attention. And because he devotes more time to his passion than he does pandering to them they tend to stick around for a while.
Like any other man, he loves women and the sexual benefits they offer him. But if given the choice between engaging in coitus and finishing the paint job on that ’67 Mustang he’s restoring, he’s going to choose the latter more often than not. This is exactly what keeps his women hot for him.
I've stopped about 3 years ago. Nothing much changed but I'm more active and made progress with some activities that were postponed indefinitely (writing a book)
I never cared much, actually I went a step further and rejected a lot of girls. I don't think it's normal to be constantly spending effort trying to make people like you.
I'm planning to get married fairly soon. Basically about 5 years ago a girl was interested in what I was doing and writing, started following me. I didn't know that but when I was bored enough I picked someone (her) at random to have a conversation with, we had chemistry and stuff.
All hell would break loose if men all ignored women
Shit, do you already know how crazy they get if ONE guy ignores them? Not to mention they’re way more social than men are so it’s a double hit.
But yeah, treating women like NPCs does work. I used to pursue women and get nowhere, so I just gave up and treated them like bags of turnips. Suddenly they want your attention and try to get with you. Bitches.
They even did research on this, women are less interested in men who openly show interest. Women are fucked in the head.
>Women are fucked in the head.
The irony of this sentence coming from a man who has openly admitted to treating real life like an RPG is overwhelming.
Women love men who are busy and not available all the time. I'll stop giving a fuck about girls and just concentrate in my own thing from now on. Not necessarily becoming MGTOW but will not go out of my way to pursue women.
So women do really make men less active and productive it seems, is it that we lose so much time pondering on how to attract them that we become such mindless fucks?
So you basically were doing your own thing, unlike most beta men who are pursuing women (me included) who wont even give them the time of day.
You just were focusing on yourself and found a nice girl at some point, which is how all men should act.
If men acted more like this we wouldn't have entitled bitches thinking they're god's gift to mankind.
As a guy who's been asked out by his girlfriends I assure you, you need to log off the internet. You're letting cherry picking and nuanced (usually self-inflicted) anecdotal misery gauge your views.
Girls and guys share equal social weight. Ones who don't feel this way can safely be left behind; most girls would be content to pursue something they want, which is why they intimidate incels so much, because incels are pussies who want mommy to put everything neat and tidy in their lap so they don't have to work for anything.
And no, wanting a girlfriend to solve your own loneliness isn't working for shit. That's asking someone to come mommy your loneliness away and everyone, girls and guys alike know when it's happening and what it entails.
Dude, are you a virgin? Women start to malfunction if you reject them. If MEN acted the way WOMEN act when they get rejected, arrests would skyrocket.
My dad always told me that the strongest and most loving relationships are those where the girl chases after the guy. If you chase the girl there’s always a power disparity she’ll remember: she had something you couldn’t get from someone else. In itself that indicates you can’t do better than her.
I agree, you have to be an attractive human being (which includes not being a lonely depressed idiot) to actually attract a girl. She doesn't want to be your mom, she'll just share her life with you and yours to her.
Reading comprehension is your friend
This, women thrive on attention lol. Ironically MGTOW guys actually start getting girls eventually because they stopped chasing girls in the first place.
Thant's just it. I stopped too because I realized I don''t qualify for Natural Selection. It's a permanent condition.
It's just that these fucking onions were raised on Disney but never understood that that really isn't how it works
Now they think that Gaston comes in while they're not looking and sweeps their girl off their feet. Like another thread concluded: nice guys are usually assholes underneath, and assholes are usually nice guys underneath.
Somehow they think girls have it easier, despite that being almost 100% anecdote-based and having virtually nothing to do with actual reality, which is just that life sucks and we're all doing our best to both live through that, AND leave the world a slightly better place than when we came into it.
And somehow, SOMEHOW, these fucking walking misfired money shot estrogen pockets think that the greatest slight is that they're too much of a shitter to take responsibility for their mediocre personalities and that we should all shore up for the difference there.
Fuck them. As a man, it's getting reeeeal fucking tiring to deal with these people sharing my gender and attempting to speak for me. Is this how femanons feel when SJWs mouthpiece for them?
My dad is twenty years dead and raised a stronger boy than yours, what the Onions fuck?
THIS, so much this.
My Mother actually told me what you just said also lol. "Son, if you ever have to choose between a woman who likes you and a woman you have to convince to like you, you'll be a million times happier with the girl that liked you from the start."
Also I've met guys who told me the same, the girl that you've to chase always makes you work harder to keep the relationship going than the girl that seemed interested in you from the start.
what kind of relationships yall in where one has to chase the other.
>son choose the one that actually likes you tardling
This
Choose the one where you both like each other
Any good romance I've had has started with the pretense of romance completely absent from prior proceedings
I haven't had a relationship with a girl I pursued and rejected me in the end (lol), but I know guys who did get the girl after being rejected.
They usually have to work harder to keep the girl also.
I disagree. Women generally prefer bad men in sexual matters. I’ve been the good guy, and I’ve been the bad guy. And lemme tell you that the bad guy is the one who gets to fuck.
The entire premise of your argument is founded on a just world. Where bad people fail and virtuous people win. That’s bullshit.
The whole concept of Bad Guy and Good Guy
is based on the fact that nice guys are usually the ones who are courting and pursuing the woman.
The bad guy is the one who doesn't give a fuck, the girl talks to him but he couldn't careless.
This is why they like them more, because they're not showing availability and actually they couldn't careless.
That's why MGTOW men suddenly find themselves with female attention that before going MGTOW couldn't get.
Nigga...do you ever go outside? Like 8/10 of these fools out here chase after their woman and think it’s just normal to placate a woman with attention & time to keep loving them.
fuck this
fuck that
bunch of retards
best relationship you'll have is the one where you neither have to pursue, but want to constantly improve for your SO
Bingo. If you observe apes and other social mammals, you’ll notice that the dominant male is usually very relaxed, aloof, and not particularly interested in the females unless it’s mating time. The weaker males vie for female attention by making strength/color/prowess displays and sharing food. And they’re more likely to isolate and shield one female from rival males.
Yes chasing women is kinda hard-wired on our DNA. So it's not surprising there are men doing this even tho the girl has made it quite clear she's not interested by being a bitch or ignoring the guy.
Every single men on this planet should refrain from this behavior, because frankly it's pathetic.
This, never pursue a woman, if she doesn't want you get the fuck out, stop humiliating yourself and have some self-respect for god's sake.
The best girls are the ones who actually chase you a bit also. Stop chasing girls, it's not worth it.
Don’t get me wrong, it is a smart breeding strategy considering we have loads of sperm to use on multiple women. But it only worked semi-decently because in older (like 10,000+ years) times chasing women was more about dragging them to your tent for a little lovin’.
>Women generally
I'd ask for a source but I'm not interested in debating why Cosmopolitan is journalistic garbage or why your experience in high school is tantamount to fuck all
The truth is if you can't get chicks-- people at all-- you're doing it to yourself
I'm not fucking with you, either. We could sit here and find exactly where you go wrong but the general list
>high strung attitude
>overtly critical regardless of relevance
>success-fixated, never working to it
>projects blame because responsibility is anathema
>rooted in puerile beliefs and attitudes toward the world
Life sucks, we all know it and the sad thing is people who bitch less than you have seen far more than you're likely to ever see
If you want to blame someone for your failings, remember the one consistency in your life: you.
>inb4 dialing back on adhom for max damage control
Precisely. If she already wants you, she WILL make it easy for you. Maybe she’ll hit you with some shit tests, but they won’t be ball breaking shit tests. When my friends ask for advice about women I’m never much about “Oh just do XYZ to make her suck your cock”. Because it’s time consuming, annoying, and too much of a bother to overcome a woman’s objections & resistance. I teach them how to recognize an interested woman (most guys really don’t understand how to do that) and just close the deal from there with the proper buttons to push.
Always assume the sale, and brush off customers who are being too difficult.
So many words, yet you said nothing
So, a guy who pursues a girl who initially rejected him but at the end got the girl to sit on his cock is an idiot?
I'm not saying I've done this, but I know people who do.
But is it worth it? to pursue a girl to convince her that you're a cool dude and she should suck your cock?
Isn't it degrading yourself or something? why not go for that other girl that is glancing your way and won't hesitate to fuck your brains out that much?
It completely destroys her.
If men suddenly stopped pursuing women shit would hit the fan.
Women can't exist without male attention,
I was about to be offended and then I looked deep in my heart and realized it was true.
I have. Ive been turned down by every single crush I ever had, and decided to just stop and focus only on myself.
Nowadays I just ignore every girl unless its a coworker.
MGTOW?
I feel you user, I've been rejected by every single girl I've ever liked. I'm good looking, have a nice body and a nice career/future
But I've never had a GF and attractive girls don't pay me much attention.
I've also decided to stop looking for love, I'm working on myself and my goals right now.
Not mgtow, I just dont bother anymore
Feels like there is no point, and every time I hit on a girl its just a nice boost to her ego.
Just like you.
Just stooping to your level for a moment to see if you guys have changed.
You're still an entire ranch of one-trick ponies.
I have done this, gave up on relationships about 10 years ago.
For the most part, life is great.
I took two educations, I got a good career, I have a lot of money I can blow on hobbies and clothes. I have bought my own apartment.
However, I am now at a point where I kinda want to date again and I have no idea how to.
Last time I courted a girl, emojies weren't a thing and I never had a reason to join social media.
The whole notion that women pursue you if you don't pursue them is wrong. If you don't pursue women, they just say "okay" and move on.
I am at the point where I still don't want a girlfriend, but I want a wife. And I can't get that without pursuing girls again.
Just focus on yourself, like you said already.
I feel you really, I know what it's like to have every single girl treat you like crap, even tho you always act gentlemanly and educated.
I believe that we should be able to be happy without women, and hope that maybe one day we might find a nice girl.
But just be happy with yourself, your goals. In the end, the only person you have is yourself.
How old are you?
I'm 26 but I heard once you hit the 30's girls start to pursue men.
is that true?
Then find ladies like you instead.
Dating is a numbers game. Always has been. Always will be.
If you want Disney shit, drop E and hit races and call yourself Gaston. If you're ready to join adults as part of reality, realize that it's always a search. No matter what. No matter what you're looking for.
Porn fucked our sense of dating. I'm sure of it. Maybe the internet did it. But something came between the majority of men and the reality of dating.
I understand, but you can't deny that being rejected by every single girl takes its toll in your mental health.
Yes, it's a numbers game but it's really hard on guys sometimes.
Not much would change, guys would continue being guys, men would continue being men.
It gets so much worse than that. Tell me a bit about you; parents alive? Friends all well and kicking? If you want, you and I can knock noggins. I'll make a time machine; you can have my life.
If a girl rejecting you "takes a toll," you aren't ready for a numbers game.
Remember, you are equal parts the sculpture and the sculptor. Change does not occur without some exchange.
>LIFE IS HARD
Boo fucking hoo. Yeah, it is. Crying like a bitch doesn't help anyone.
haha, I really like the way you write and express your ideas.
I'm 26 year old, I've been rejected by every single girl I've ever liked.
I'm not that bad of a guy, I've been called handsome and I get looks, I know that my problem is probably my personality... the "nice guy" who doesn't turn women on.
I'm proud of who I am anyway, so I don't feel all that bad about it.
My parents are alive, I have no friends... I lost them when I entered Med School (which I already finished), I'm about to enter a specialty program.
I'm 26 years old, with a seemingly nice future, a body bulti by gym, not all that bad looking and yet I've been rejected every single time by every single girl.
I don't know... maybe I should focus on me and stop chasing love, or women for the matter.
My personality is not very compatible with many people, that's why I have no friends probably.
But I'm happy, I wouldn't want to change myself, I like myself.
Even if attractive women don't want me.
I went over this post a few times thinking of how to reply and I've finally arrived at it.
That happiness. Being satisfied with what you've done, where you've come, and how you got there.
That is what you never lose. Even if it's as simple as being happy that you remembered to make your bed.
Fulfillment is within. Don't buy into the memes; the only thing outside of you, out there in that big'ol' world is money. Sieve everything down to its finest matter and all you'll find are dirt and resources. No justice... no mercy... no love... none of that exists in this world if we don't put it there.
Same goes for your happiness. Ain't gonna come off a tree, someshit like that... you have to make it, no matter how hard that is, how small it ends up being. It's yours, and you'll be fighting the world tooth and nail to keep it.
>a brief greentext about user
>be 8
>dad dies
>face existential quandary of what to do with life if inevitability is death
>literally nobody, not even my teachers, understand that this is how it is
>go like this for about five years failing school, being generally friendless except for a few pity cases, and being highly indolent because most of my time is spent being miserable about how shitty everything is around me
>turn 14
>realize the magic: laughter
>if you make people laugh, they forget how shitty you are
>if you make people laugh, they forget how shitty THEY are
>if they forget how shitty they are...
>the world seems a little less shitty for just a few moments
>the crushing weight of the utter meaninglessness of life is lifted, albeit briefly
The problem was trying to convince someone who had seen death that 'things get better.'
That was a real plateau for me, that one. They don't. I'll be miserable my whole damn life-- although I might be better at coping somewhere down the line.
It's all down to perspective but to me, rejection is pretty, you know, 'diet suffering.'
Caffeine free. 0 calories.
Eventually only women willing to pursue men themselves would be able to reproduce
But women are terrible asking men out because they want to feel special and have the guy do it
Wow, I can imagine. But do you really think youll never be happy in your life? I believe happiness exists and is attainable. I grew up with an alcoholic dad and didnt have the best childhood ever. So yeah, I guess life can be shitty. The best gift you can give to a child is a great childhood, those years mark you for life.
You are a late bloomer, hopefully. You still have the mentality of a teenager. You completely fail to understand, or even want to understand, what girls like in a guy. Instead you let yourself be brainwashed by the Jow Forums incel cult. Leave that place and start becoming more objective about yourself, your good and bad points.
If such a shift actually happened, the mostly unwanted attention females get now from males, would be given by females to males. To prevent this let us make a pact as men, to grab at least two asses a week, and no less than one improper verbal suggestion a day, with optionally sundays off. When you see nice boobs, say it.
Excellent post.
mgtow is self preservation and adaptation to a very hostile environment. feminist gave women all the tools they need to destroy a man's life. the environment is so bad for men that a simple #metoo with no evidence is enough to destroy your life.
10% Chads fucks 100% of women. That is literally what would happen.
I've gone my own way but I don't ignore women or anything. I actually have more fun with them now than ever because I don't expect anything from them. I have fun, enjoy their company for what it is and if they want to keep hanging out awesome. If they don't, no skin off my back really. The best thing is when you walk into some place, see a woman eye you up really quickly, flirt with her a bit, make her laugh, say "well see ya next time" and walk your ass off. Sometimes they get that bewildered look.
>As a man with a very narrow perspective who is completely unable of understanding how things are for everyone else let me tell you what you are doing wrong
T-thanks
Do you still do things for them that they never show any gratitude or any willingness to pay back?
Do you treat them the exact same way you treat your male friends?
Because if you are bending over for them while expecting nothing in return that only makes you an even bigger beta and I haven't met a single women in my life who is ok with receiving the same treatment I give to my firends
>Ummmhhhh sweetie women are perfect and if you have a problem with that it's because you are a manchild who wants a new mommy
I dump a guy if he doesn't treat me better than his friends
Going your own way means not dating women, that poster was talking about his female friends not a girlfriend
I have a base level of kindness that I treat everyone with. I will go out of my way to help anyone male or female, but at the first sign of ingratitude or self-entitlement I'm out. Fortunately, everyone I know now is very kind and selfless. If they aren't, they don't last long in my life. I don't treat women like male friends, more like a little sister that I flirt with occasionally. Please believe I'm not trying to sound cool when I say this but I don't bend over for anyone. If anything, people have been willing to bend over backwards for me and I repay them with reciprocation and just by being an honest and reliable friend. Going your own way doesn't have to be out of bitterness or hatred of women. For a lot of men, it's just accepting the reality of the risks involved and turning their focus to themselves instead of chasing tail.
Bullshit. Women experience it just as men, though in different manners.
Refusing your responsibility just because youre so afraid of failing or being hurt is pathetic to the max
>Women experience it just as men
cant tell if bait or just a woman
this
Can tell that you need to leave your basement and talk to people. Badly.
If you go out of your way to talk to a girl while she never does the same that's definitely being a beta.
Unless she's glancing your way or she's actually friendly and willing to chat with you when you come to her, you're humiliating yourself.
I do agree you don't have to be a butthurt asshole and stop interacting with girls altogether like those MGTOW types, but don't go out of your way if they don't really reciprocate the attention.
I don't bother strangers unless there's a pertinent reason. If someone locks eyes with me, yeah I will speak though and often times conversation, laughter and flirting comes from that. Sometimes you can tell they aren't into it and just move on with your life. I don't care about being "alpha" or "beta". Those are terms that don't really even apply to human relationships. Besides, there's nothing beta about enjoying feminine attention and company user.
I use the term beta to refer to the fact that there are people who act with the characteristics associated with it, I know alpha and beta are terms who are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
So when I say "beta" I mean a guy who is desperately looking for female attention when such attention is not really reciprocated.
By all means, go ahead and talk to girls, I love girls as much as you do or the next non homosexual guy.
But I insist, if you go out of your way to give attention to a woman who doesn't show some interest back at you somehow you're just craving female attention that the girls couldn't care less to give to you or not.
Personally, I prefer to talk and flirt with girls who seem interested in me back in some way.
This.
(Although even the long-term relationships have had a 100% failure rate, which means something)
Which validates my opinion on women who chase vs women that YOU chase.
When the woman seems interested, looks at you every now and then, and when you talk to her and she actually starts making an effort to be with you, you got a winner right there.
If you go after a girl who doesn't really care about you, you might be able to fuck her in the end but the best relationships are the ones where the girl actually makes some effort to be with you.
Are you trying to write a gender swapped Lysistrata for the modern era?
This really isnt true, its all about your mindset. Men have been celebit for centrluries for all manor of reasons. Be it practical, philisophical, religious.
In fact it appears that it is women who cant handle to be alone more so than many men.
>somehow, this isn't a double standard
incels.
I think your treatment of MGTOW is poorly researched. Although it's true that there are a great many pathetic cowards who hide behind the movement, that takes nothing from the integrity of the principles expressed in its foundation.
MGTOW is founded on rejection of the social positioning Western civilization has employed in framing male-female—and more recently, male-female-state—relations. The media definitions of successful marriages, ideal masculinity, and the male role are all dysfunctional inventions to make the self-realized man into a husk, and social and economic policies have turned men into beasts of burden in the West.
MGTOW isn't dudes whining because chicks don't like them. It's dudes rejecting the social structure which expects and often requires them to kill, die, and pay disproportionately into taxes for another group whose entitlement is immeasurable, who can sue them for half of their earnings, who can take their children from them, and who hold no accountability for their actions.
(I'm not a MGTOW, I just wanted to see them represented fairly)
Especially in their 30's when they're left alone and men go their way and become successful single guys.
Although most of the girls left single in their 30's aren't the most attractive ones, but it validates your point. Women crave attention, men can live without women just fine if they really want to.
>Men can live without women
What a fucking joke! You dumb son of a bitch! We just jailed a fuckboy in CANADA for not being able to deal with being a sexless limp-dicked faggot who solves his problem with violence. He begged police to kill him, they didn't and now he's probably got life in prison. He'll die in there or exit a husk of a man. Good job for him. Who would have ever guessed; AN INCEL THAT HAS ALL THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY OF A SACK OF BRICKS! Crazy!
Men nowadays are even more emotional and bitchy than women. It's great, because the more of you that convince guys not to chase girls, the more of them will get frustrated with YOUR double standards and will be happy to chase guys like me, who are happy to call you guys out for your rabbit hole delusions.
I haven't the foggiest where you live that you think guys, "live without women just fine." None of them seem to want to, in fact, we have an entire board whose culture is rooted in not getting laid. Jow Forums is like 50% whining about not getting girls at any given time.
Take me to your world. It sounds WAY cooler than this shit.
You sound agressive, are you sure you aren't in denial?
hahaha, they might whine but they go through their lives eventually.
Yeah you have the occasional nut head, big surprise there!
Are you telling me that what I'm saying isn't true?
I've seen it, the guys go become succesful men in their 30's and get a nice young girl eventually (if they're not nut jobs of course).
women have it harder, because as they age they lose value, guys become more valuable if they're actually doing stuff in their lives.
Succesful women are not even wanted by men most of the time, don't ask me why because I don't know why.
I personally like successful women too
That's basically anyone who doesn't have trouble with women dude. Or anyone in a relationship. Most of the problem with incels is they are trying way too hard and we tell them (well some of us) again and again and again *don't do that*.
>What happens
Life gets a fuck tonne better because you're spending your time doing you shit instead of crying about what people think about you. You know, that thing you're supposed to do regardless of if youre talking about women or not.
I stopped pursuing women since I found out I have a small dick.