Going from MGTOW to TradCon. Is there redemption for the gender jew?

I know this. I'm not asking for dating advice. More about advice for finding girls like them that browse pol and have similar ideals as us.

>what is surrogacy?
>what is full custody?

Either admit everything gets significantly worse or take responsibility for a comprehensive eugenics program. Unless it's the latter, you're exacerbating this hell we inhabit and normalizing one's contribution thereto. Why the FUCK would you procreate unless you are working to design and implement an alternative to this descent into hell.

>women are children
Not literally. But the underlying principles about managing children and women are pretty similar. Much like children, women are naturally weaker and dependent and will submit to a strong male authority figure. But she will always test boundaries and if you let her do whatever she wants, she will grow to hate you like a spoiled child. Hence the state of the West in 2018. Imagine a world where children could accuse any parent at any time of mistreatment without evidence, and attempting to enforce any discipline at all on your children was considered "abuse" and would get your ass hauled off to jail by men in blue uniforms with guns. That is pretty much the world we live in today, except with women instead of children.

>Asking women for advice, especially about women, is a waste of time, unless you like being misled, and want this cycle to continue.
Exactly. It's like asking a child to reassure you that he's naturally well-behaved without patriarchal authority. It fucking sucks, and I'm in the same boat as OP on this one. I'd like to get married and start a family at some point, but I'm unsure how exactly to do that in the modern world, women being what they are.

I'm also pretty blackpilled after understanding women's true nature, and how the whole unconditionally loving, obedient, cheerful wife is just a male fantasy. I haven't really got any inspiration from either MGTOW or Tradcons on how to feel better about this.

You jumped from MGTOW to traditionalism? You sound a bit too gullible...

MGTOW is a codeword for closet homosexual btw.

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To further illustrate, imagine that you have a kid. He really, really wants to eat chocolate cake every day. It's a genuine desire and he pouts and whines when you don't give him chocolate cake. But if you give in to his demands, he will be worse off for it, and he will never respect or love you in the long run.

There is a very similar analogy behind women's rights.

Remember the golden rule: her age minus 7 and double it starting at 22. That means you shouldn't seriously start dating till you're 30. Most guys fuck themselves up when they his 30-35 they date a chick who's that same age, women 30-35 are that way 90% of the time because they were being whores their whole 20's and are only now read because they are literally getting into downsyndrome tiers of age, they don't deserve the time of day from you. If you're in your 30's, in shape, and have a decent job (not even a career just decent salary)...the good women are always married 21, anything over 25 is usually damaged goods. Remember, "chemistry" between couples a lot of it is shit like the age difference, because you aren't going to age the same. T.30 yo boomer

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to add onto this.

What do you guys think happens when around half of our women will side with the enemy in an ideological/race war? Willingly. How many more will be lost during as spoils of war? We could lose 3/4 of our reproductive power in a race war if it happened right now. Even if we won the initial conflict, it'd take far too long to repopulate, thus we'd likely lose a 2nd war. We need to get women more onside somehow, not further divide... Just food for thought.
Fuck your meme flag. 14 words is worthless without propagating your lineage.

Check'd. That's pretty much my views.

Re-read, I know you're dutch, and thus English isn't your first language, but I said I WANT to become trad, I AM MGTOW. Very reluctantly, but that's how it is.

So pump and dump? I don't like the idea of that it perpetrates the slutification of women imo. You can't expect to fuck 20 women a year and marry a virgin the same demographic as all your belt notches a decade later...

If you're younger than 30, fuck women over 30 aka MILFS. Young cock is honed on old cunt. This will get you practice, and this will get them away from their cats. Don't feel bad about practice girls, they chose the roastie life it didn't choose them. It's important for you the man to know what you're doing on bed before you find a wife because you're the one fucking her, I HATE when women (sluts) try to say they can be good or bad in bed. A "good" lay will let you take charge and fuck her 9 ways from Sunday, but you've got to know what you're doing.

Don't fall for the relationships are meaningless meme.

Yes, Western women have decayed, but there are plenty of young, Christian women who still want to marry and have children. They can't deny their basic instinct - which is to find a stable and protective man to have children with.

t. married man

Definately don't fall for the relationships are meaningless meme, but paramount to that do not fall for the church girl meme holy shit they are some of the worst ones. T.Ex Catholic, happily divorced

I'll probably bite the bullet at some point. But it's better odds at playing a round or two of Russian roulette in terms of fucking up your life, just if you play roulette, you know immediately if you fucked up, marriage you may not know for a decade if you fucked up, either way you probably end up with a bullet in your head if you fuck up, or the shackles of debt slavery.

This might actually be good advice. It's still rolling the dice, women over 30 are desperate and may trick you into impregnating them. I'll think on it though. Honestly I am not a materialistic person, if I ever get fucked over by an ex-wife I'll probably live innawoods.

No. I LOVE the idea of relationships, marriage and family, but I'm very hung up on the statistics and hard data. I have no problem with commitment. I'm very worried that the woman I end up with will have problems with loyalty.

I know. Already made a post about my observations of "good christian girls" Over half in my small southern town (slower culturally than the rest of the west in the south AND in small towns) were sluts, actively race mix right now, or are married, the rest are hyper liberal in my age range.

>in the south are race mixers
The problem with the south is so many normies go to church not because they believe just because they think they have to
Still not hard to find the true believers if you actually get to know people

youtube.com/watch?v=apoCp3OTsxE

I would advise you to wait until you have a good financial situation so that you can provide for your family, and that doesn't necessarily mean wait until you're 30, but it's a good idea.

>marriage you may not know for a decade
You would if you were paying attention

Oh man it's hilarious, I went to mass with my uncle after one of his friends passed away (hadn't been in years) and I saw
>Female leading congregation
>THOT with a choker
>Heretic priest reading (((PC version of scripture)))
>Niggers (appearently they missed them part about the curse of Ham)
>Most teens on their phones
The absolute state of modern church, I think Fidora tipping atheists bother me less than blasphemy

>femanons help
>asking women for advice
What a failure you are.

You've just got to stop expecting women to be like men, that's all.

>airbrush
>trad

>Thinking women are on half chan
I think that's really where he went wrong, user

>Women are children
retard detected.

35yr+ used up diseased slags want to shit out autists, anything below that is wayyyy to early for modern day women. they want their 3 degrees, 4 houses and 200 chads first.

>inb4: thats not true
its literally what 99% of university roasties say with their own cumdrenched mouths

>, anything below that is wayyyy to early for modern day women.
What are you talking about
There are tons of girls that want to start a family

Don't marry a woman that insists on circumsion whether or not you're circumsized. If a woman insist on circumsion she's a selfish sadist who has zero empathy for men. Imagine a guy wanting a female to have undergone FGM when she was a child for his aesthetic preference.

You missed what was being said when people say that. And OP didn't say that...

I get where you're coming from. And I may go that route, but IDK how to even begin as I myself am not a "true believer". I fluctuate between agnostic, general creational theist ala the founding fathers or outright paganism as it speaks to me the strongest regarding an actual religion. Catholicism is closest to paganism but the pope is trash, the church is overran by spics in my tristate area (not a popular sect of Christianity in the south). I don't know, I'm going to focus on self improvement and just keep on keeping on, I'll try and lower my guard a little more and see if I meet anyone worth while I guess.

I don't know how good this advice is as a 30 year old virgin, well basically (only been with 1 girl) doesn't seem like they'd likely get a good wife.

Read I'm asking how to thin the herd to find useful women, not how a man should act by wahmen

I expect basic fidelity, either a-political or on the right, wants children, isn't or wasn't a slut, is less fat than me, an overweight 6 foot tall man. This is a low fucking bar, yet it's basically unattainable for massive portions of western women to meet.

I posted a random image I got on this board with the black sun behind her. Of course it was photoshopped. It's just there as a somewhat related image as I'd like a white nationalist or racially aware woman.

I'm highly suspicious of women in any male dominated movement, and when it comes to politics I've noticed:
>Liberal women tend to genuinely believe in their party's slogans, depending on the depth of this you can red pill her to the way of the right wing and utilize this misplaced ultarism in left wing politics to make her a decent relationship partner. They also LOVE right wing alphas. Most "feminists" I've fucked just want to cook/ clean and be dominated in bed
>Conservatice women seem to understand right wing politics less and basically just parrot whatever Fox News says because they are LARPing with what's expected so that they can get what they think is a good husband. Highest number of coal burners that aren't kikes are right wing women because fucking niggers is something they aren't supposed to do (kind of how liberal women love fucking a white republican Chad) tbqh if a woman is actually conservative she would be apolotical because she would know it's not her place, so watch for these more than liberals believe it or not

Good observations. I don't know how universally it applies but I do see this in my own town. But I'd also say that you can't lead a lefty to the red pill. I've tried and failed. You can nudge them in the right direction but they have to be willing to swallow the pill themselves. Thus dating an sjw and thinking you can make her the perfect housewife is also a huge gamble. She could shift in some ways and not others, maybe she cooks and cleans but raises your daughter to be a coal burner as she doesn't take the race realism pill etc.

You've got to stop asking women for advice and start telling them what you want.

You're already a MGTOW beta. Don't get on the save-a-ho kick.

If you aren't right with the Lord, you will never be happy anyway.

To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour.
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for you sins and rose again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work.
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord.

Some resources that may help:
TTB.org has a verse by verse Bible Study for download or daily listening.
Chuck Missler’s Learn the Bible in 24 Hours (youtu.be/PZ3hESj__M8)
Robert Breaker’s Bible Study and Topical Sermons (youtu.be/H124iZiyGUs)

The End is nigh. Tomorrow may be too late.

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My current one is a half kike and I make holocaust jokes when she blows me
>Inb4 degenerate
Up2 50% Ashkenazis could be full SS members so long as they renounced international Jewry. I give her good dick, and started red pilling her by telling her to look into the 1918 communist uprising that failed in Germany, and ask herself why as an academic she never heard of that

You're clearly not blackpilled. You're a purplepilled powerbottom who's still in the bargaining stage of the grief cycle.
Accept women's nature, you can't change it. If you want kids badly, look at options to get a surrogate safely.

I wasn't going to go there but you are pushing my buttons, I'm not asking for religious advice. But here's some interesting things regarding the words all Europeans use regarding your christ god.

Lord comes from hlafweard literally "one who guards the loaves" Lady similarly means bread kneader. If you then look up who these terms were used in conjuntion with in pre christian times, you'll find the Lord Freyr, agricultural fertility god, and Freja, fertility goddess. Heavenly father comes from Deus Pater, and refers to the Roman god Jupiter. God comes from guthan and in relation to their language it meant lower caste foreign god, or they would have used Ansuz. There's a reason you never say "Dear yahweh" when praying to God. Your ancestors folded him into their lower level gods and over time, sword at their back, they were "converted" yet paganism is present in practically every aspect of our culture and your religion. You are pagan under your thin illusion of the christ god, it's in your blood, your words, your traditions. To deny it is to live a lie.

Post khazar milkies

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Not femanon but here is a white pill:
If you are in a position to care for your family, a woman will listen to every word you say and it becomes law. All you need to do is have a good woman (I know it's really hard but dont give up) and provide for her. She will be your biggest supporter and point out bullshit seen daily with you.

t. Average guy with a great woman to support him.

Happy for you. How'd you find yours?

from
>incel
to
>different incel
k

lol

Checked. So marrying women is incel and so is NOT marrying them? How exactly does that work?

It sucks that you've been screwed over. Most women nowadays will do that to you. You can find a good woman! They are out there. But you have to find them young enough to make them into the person you want them to be. Women are like dogs in that regard. Get a young one and train her well. Give her love and be there for her.

Go to a community college and take freshman classes. You will find a good woman.

>Community College
...so single moms in their mid 20's, 17 year olds, and 35 year old roasties?

If her mom was a jew your kids are gonna be full blooded jews

Nah her mom was western Euro, she fucked a New York Jew and made my lovely halfling

Drop 500$ for the chance of meeting a single girl who isn't liberal or a degenerate seems a bit steep to me man. Might be valid, but damn that's steep.

Learned Japanese and found a young Japanese exchange student. Got together when she was 19, married at 20 (her). Been together for 5 years.

She has slowly been awakened to reality. Now we identify jooz when we are out. We speak openly to each other in Japanese and are basically one person in two bodies. It wasn't easy though!

Jews are matriarchical kinda like Xenomorphs from Aliens; my gf didn't hatch from a Jew egg but she's still got 50% acid for blood

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You're gonna make Eliot Rodgers you degenerate webo

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>, 17 year olds
I'm teaching you how to find a pure waifu. It's also good to keep skills sharp. Trust me, the only way one of us are going to find a good gal.

You can withdraw in the first day and get a full refund! Badda bing.

>Come back from the MGTOW pill
I'm not sure what you mean. MGTOW is one of many redpills. You aren't supposed to stick to it or waste your time trying to redpilled others. You are supposed to take the knowledge to heart and move on. It's easy to get stuck watching sandman or other MGTOW videos and it won't take you anywhere. Most of those guys are just trying to make money. The laws probably won't change in your life time. If you want children, you will have to take the risk. If you just want sex, there are prostitutes. If seek to validate yourself through a woman, you will fail. This is why men often tell MGTOW that they are coping, or just can't get laid etc. They subconsciously know how fragile their sense of self esteem is, as they foolishly try to validate themselves through women. They must constantly try to reassure themselves.

Shut up. You will be a virgin forever.

...I'm fucking 30 and divorced, not everybody on this board is a freshman in college

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Ofc she's a nip. Whatever honorary aryan's I guess.

kek.

Murdoch Chan! See she'd be perfect.

Didn't think of that, based.

Actually good advice. I'll probably just have to bite the bullet at some point I guess.

Then fuck off with the elliot Roger shit.

You just proved our point that white women are gonners.

Been trying to get anons to take classes and claim their waifus.

No doubt. Could be that white women are a lost cause. I saw what two have done to my dad and never met a good one.

Race traitors swing on DOTR

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Do the same thing with my Korean gf. Does your Jap hate the Chinese too?

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Wait are you a nigger? Halfrican as it were

Go to a better church: brookhills.org/this-week/baptism-video-archive/rachel-herrington/

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>Is there any way to come back from the MGTOW pill

Not really. Once you realize that all women are already married to the Government and that he is both the most powerful and jealous man imaginable you will always think twice.

The least dangerous women from the perspective of your reputation freedom and finances are actual prostitutes. You will be dodging STDs if you do that route though obviously, so it’s a case of a rock and a hard place

>whitpills about your gender
artificial wombs are in your lifetime.
The reality is the future is in your hands, you can choose to spare us or choose to enact your vengeance.

Women are worthless. We are born to be your slaves, born to not enjoy it and always seek to subvert for more, and born too unintelligent to turn our minds to anything more useful than big kids baby sitting little kids. We are incapable of grasping our destiny. We are npcs and no more.

Being a man must be the ultimate white pill. even if you fail, you have a future worth fighting for. women have at best, hospice before our entire purpose is replaced.

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Yeah but un ironically ask yourself who's safer: a pro who makes sure every John wears a rubber or some drunken cum dumpster from a Kareoke bar. You're paying for sex wheather you literally pay for it or not, Lee

>Up2 50% Ashkenazis could be full SS members so long as they renounced international Jewry
This is a lie.

Even Generals, Hanz

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You can't keep me from my Khazar milkers, there's nothing wrong with it you fag

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Damn. Wow. You alright femanon? Most men are simps and even those that aren't wouldn't be quite so heartless, you'll be spared in the long run if the future plays out how you see it, and the coming generations will be able to see why women shouldn't have certain rights or responsibilities far more clearly than ever before. Men see women as borderline angelic, well white men do, convert your sisters and daughters to the cause and you will thrive, but if they fall, if we fall to the hoardes of shitskined wolves barking at our doorstep, your future is bleak indeed.

1/2 is a little too much jew blood imo, but you do you, if you raise your kids right, they'll have quarter kikes, and that's my personal threshold, bonus points for being 1488

There was a very tiny number of select people that where declared Honorary Aryans, if you look at Emil Maurice for example
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice
He has been an active member from the beginning but despite only being 1/4 Jew, Himmler threw him out of the SS, the only reason he was allowed to stay eventually is because Hitler himself spoke up for him. Stop spreading your bullshit you have read somewhere on the internet, you can't even understand the original sources. I have listened to hours of Himmler speeches, his SS was supposed to be the purest off all the organizations, he did not tolerate any amount of Jewish blood unless he was forced by Hitler.

I completely disagree. its inevitable that people find out how disgusting women really are and the only people who want to make us equal while retaining any semblence of identity are the nips as far as genetic engineering goes. Men will of course initially try to protect women as is their instinct, but that is not what is at play here. Men will simply stop producing women via the artificial wombs. women will become a rarity, and those that create them wont yearn for an equal partner but the same stupid empty headed beast we where bred by you to be for centuries past. we have no future where we fall or succeed. we lack the capacity to act. What you see as our motion is nothing more than kikes pulling our strings.

Despite my strongest desire to I can't exist without the approval of authority. It literally doesn't work, but instead leaves me cripplingly depressed

*less than 1/4 even, only one great-grandfather was Jewish

Pagan here. Women weren't nearly as subdued by pagans, some were slaves, and they were indeed subserviant to the extreme, but free women were free. They were even religious leaders. You look at the last thousand years under jewish control and think that's the natural order, it is not. You will likely lose many rights, will be relagated to child rearing and housemaking at the onset, but after that you may gain a little more length to the new leashes of patriarchy. You clearly have some original thought in your head or you wouldn't be self aware of the kike pulling your strings. Seek to break the ties that bind and find a good man. Bear him many children and raise the boys into strong men and the girls into proper ladys.

I'm 1488'ing a professor who will in turn get Gen Z on our side, my dick has never gone to a better cause

There were literally entire nigger Weirchmarch brigades, fuck off FIS; you Slavic looking rape baby

I approve of this union then. Strategic prowess. Have no less than 5 kids with her also, need to pump numbers up, even if they're quarter blooded kikes.

Richard, is that you?

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>There were literally entire nigger Weirchmarch brigades
Do you even understand the difference between Wehrmacht and SS? Jesus Christ you Amerimutts are retarded. There is a difference between letting non-Aryans die at the front instead of your own people and letting them join your most elite troops that are supposed to be 'purity spiral : the organization'.

>telling a fag to reproduce just because it has a womb
this is why you where replaced by christkikes and why women are broken.
>b-but you'll be happy slaves, just give it a chance
women are not designed to be happy.

You can lick the pussy of the wife as a concubine, doesn't mean you can't get dicked down and bear children.

>I want a crazy dyke to be the mother of my children
Is this the power of dick-thots?

>There are a surprisingly large number of traditionalist virgins there.
I've been to a few different churches and met a very small number. All had boyfriends already.

crazy dyke can be the mother if the wife's not crazy. Honestly IDC, you wanna lick pussy until you die barren and alone, that's your business. Guys generally don't give a fuck if you want to fuck a girl, I don't, they can't breed their wife after all. It's just cold logic on my end if I was a dyke, I'd still fake it with a guy and initiate 3somes, perhaps even go harem, enjoy all the pussy I wanted, fulfill my life's purpose by having children and in the end die happy and surrounded by family, instead of bitter alone and reeking of cat piss and cheap supermarket wine.

They are tho. People used to refer to unmarried women as "child".

>I'm just being pragmatic, men don't care.
Men on pol very much are against gays having children of both sexes actually
>wife isn't crazy
wife wont be raising the kids, dyke will. If you think wife is going to cuckquean herself for a degenerate, you probably don't even want to be whitepilled on women.

>I'd fulfill my lifes purpose
Your life's purpose is to be continually dis-satisfied so that you will jump the bones of the next man that comes along mercinarily if it means fitter offspring.

Whatever. Enjoy your catpiss and dollarstore wine I guess.

nice projection. I drown my sorrows in books, grabbing random animals and boozing up is basically a guy thing. or do you think sheperds where traditionally female?