Kratom is a miracle plant in the coffee family that has saved and changed millions of lives around the globe and originates from Asia.
It contains mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-HMG), but there are more than 40 compounds which includes about 25 alkaloids other than mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine including ajmalicine, mitraphylline, mitragynine pseudoindoxyl, and rhynchophylline.
(((They))) are trying to ban kratom in order to keep the shekels flowing in to big pharma and the opium/heroin/fentanyl trade.
Kratom is infinitely more healthy and beneficial to the body than opium and any synthetic variations thereof.
Kratoms main benefits are for pain management and helping people who have had opiate addictions they want to get away from.
Kratom is NOT something that I believe should be used as a recreational drug although sadly it often is, I believe its best used as a medicine.
Many states have been banning kratom in the past few years.
Help keep kratom legal so that we can keep the profits out of the hands of (((big pharma))) and the illegal opium/heroin/fentanyl traders and ALSO to help reduce the deaths and addictions caused by these drugs.
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Keep Kratom Legal
it only made me relaxed and sleepy, then I had a headache when I woke
mediocre stuff
fuck off jew
Fuck off with your heroin replacement you weak willed faggot.
The DEA needs to make this illegal to justify its 80 billion dollar budget increase, plus this helps people get off heroin & the jews need to profit off the heroin whilst white genociding soooo... No. It gonna be illegal, sorry.
Why would any of you guys SUPPORT the drug war?
Its a complete failure and is only serving to harm the goyim.
Kratom is infinitely better to keep legal and to be used by people who need it for medical reasons.
I do not support the idea of people using kratom recreationaly.
I know Jow Forums is kinda a dumb place to put this though because 99% of people here have never used kratom in their lives.
It's nigger shit fuck off
You mean gook shit
Get it right dumbass
Here come the shills.
Fucken use Ibogaine to get off the dope, no withdrawals or cravings after one use. We should be focusing on legalizing that with all the research being put into psychedelics recently, instead of defending some cheap replacement high.
I support legalizing ibogaine as well
Ibogaine is absolutely superior for getting people off opiates over kratom
But ibogaine can not work for pain management patients
Shit hardly kills pain, its like taking a quarter vicodin. Kava kava works way better at killing pain and its non habit forming. Shit even a good weed tincture is better.
Kratom is terrible
I took those vita zen kratom "shots" and had lucid, LONG dreams every night for a year almost
Completely untrue.
It can be just as strong as a small dose of morphine or oxycodone easily.
Kratom has many different strains and qualities not all are equal.
Kava kava can be habit forming if used habitually, it goes to the same part of the brain as alcohol/benzos/barbs.
Making kratom illegal will not help anyone or anything in any way, thats all it comes down to.
I am not promoting the USE of kratom.
Can you buy this stuff at headshops or do you have to get it off the internet? Also, does it show up in drug tests?
imagine being so dumb you think those two could possibly be related
also the kratom "shots" are completely retarded compared to just eating the leaf directly
ive always felt like ibuprofen worked better at killing pain than opiates. opiates just make you kind of not care you're in pain.
research it faggot
I'm trying to help you have an actual thread. Do you want discussion, or people doing google searches instead?
im not interested in promoting people using it to get high
Get it online. No, it doesn’t show up on drug tests, unless someone specifically orders a test for Kratom.
Fuck off, AKA, you goddamn Jews. Stop asking for money. Kratom is shit
Kratom is a great plant the kikes just want to make it illegal so they keep reap pharma profits to the max. Plus it’s a new war to fight on drugs money money money.
>imagine being so dumb you think those two could possibly be related
Its literally a known side effect that people using kratom experience you dumb fag
AKA can suck my cock
The old leader of it stole the donations
>Kava kava can be habit forming
vs kratom being habit forming because it mimics opiates effects.
>Making kratom illegal will not help anyone or anything in any way, thats all it comes down to.
Not an argument. A painkiller does not have to work on the opiate recepters to kill pain effectively.
have known dozens of people who use it and none of them nor any research i have done ever said this
got sauce?
>if you aren’t an anarchist you’re a bootlicker
Nice dichotomy, dreads head.
Wow look at all these shrills
Kratom is the answer to the opioid crisis. That’s why the want to make illegal. (((They))) don’t want solutions to problems. Think cancer more money in treatment, why find a cure?
never said kratom is NOT habit forming it 100% is physically addicting
I am not arguing the point that "A painkiller does not have to work on the opiate recepters to kill pain effectively." I dont deny that
All opioids have that effect, it’s well known. Kratom users just have weird ass made up names for everything like calling nausea from taking too much “wobbles”
>kratom being habit forming because it mimics opiates effects.
its not even as good as weed WTF
I tried kratom, it didn't really do anything for me. And this was fresh "tastes like dirt Jesus fuck" kratom. Gave me a slight buzz.
Fuck off Jamie you addict
Kratom isn’t an opioid and you can’t overdose on it. If has similar effects but different mechanism of action
Lel no, its another replacement. Like suboxone or methodone. The answer is quite obviously ibogaine.
if you want to control and be controlled then your a bootlicker and a retard
probably because you're all monkey brained npcs
I can confirm, it's well known that it causes crazy dreams. incidentally so do some psych meds
took half a painkiller after a car crash (busted up ribs), and it made me get sick to my stomach and want to fall asleep into a coma. Then I tried kratom and the same thing happened. someone please explain the appeal of these drugs?
Fuck the DEA, Heroin and Fentanyl are legal for medical use but Ibogaine and Kratom if they have their way will be both Schedule I. Seriously, fuck these assholes. They should be required to wear logos for Pfizer, Purdue Pharma, Eli Lilley, Merck, and AstraZeneca on their uniforms.
Wobbles isnt nausea its when your vision gets blurry from taking wayyy too much
No one should ever be taking an amount to cause this though thats absolutely retarded
>just take a glass of shit water of unprocessed raw plant material shipped by the tons from across the world grown and harvested by dirty naked rice farmers
It does absolutely contain opioids
The main two active alkaloids are opioids
Opioids are not the same as Opiates though
depends on what you were taking and how you were taking it
also different effects on different people I guess
Kratom is more pleasant and less dangerous then ibogoie you can take Kratom like you take coffee and it’s really cheap
Your missing the point. The point is to get off the drugs you fucking junkies.
I guess that makes me an NPC because ive used kratom for years myself and never had this happen.
That ok though I can admit when I am wrong.
Thats why I asked for sauce.
Kratom can also cause balding in some instances but it never happened to me or anyone I know.
One of those “weed isn’t a drug, it’s a plant” guys, huh? Fine. Kratom contains opiods. Happy now?
Anarchists get the rope.
Its typical opiod side effects
The balding comes from low testosterone. Kratom, like all opiod substances, will turn you into a soiboy. Google it.
I know that all opioids/opiates lower test but does that really cause balding?
Other opiates/opioids do not cause balding as far as I have ever heard.
There’s good family farmers and industrial farms that diminish quality and have poor quality control. Think food it’s the same concept. Why would people be in favor of making it illegal it doesn’t hurt anyone it’s a weapon against opioid crisis it shouldn’t banned. People use Kratom for better quality of life for a multitude of reasons. Yes some people abuse it but you can abuse anything. Porn, junk food cigarettes. Should the government ban those?
No it’s not from the poppy plant it isn’t an opioid. You can’t overdose on it it’s a huge difference
kratom does not contain opioids its in the coffee family
>Anarchists get the rope.
you'll get the bullet first
You sound like a straight up dumb ass.
I am gonna prove to you it CONTAINS opioids right now.
The top two active alkaloids are Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine.
Both are opioids NOT opiates.
>it’s a weapon against opioid crisis
its just another drug
the person taking it will just be used to getting high and go back to their old ways.
>doesn’t contain opiods
Nigger google it yes it does
Both mitragynine and 7-HMG have partial agonist activity at nanomolar concentrations at the human μ-opioid receptors; 7-HMG appears to have higher affinity. Other alkaloids have antagonist activity at micromolar concentrations, so effects of whole kratom may result from the interplay of these different alkaloids. Different assays on the human receptor yielded different results, and activities at mouse and guinea pig μ-opioid receptors appear to be different as well, and it is unknown which alkaloids are able to cross the blood brain barrier in humans, making in vitro and animal studies problematic to translate to humans. The binding of kratom alkaloids at human and model animal δ- and k-opioid receptor subtypes was very unclear as of 2017.
wrong, it does help with the opiate/opioid crisis
i have seen it do so many times first hand
I didn’t even argue for making it illegal, and it’s revealing that this is what you keep deflecting to. It can be regulated without being made illegal. This “not for human consumption” shit is just silly. These importers need to be made to test their shit and have quality controls
I took half a hydrocodone, ended up tossing the bottle because it didnt do anything for me. not only did it make me sick but it didn't make the pain go away. and then I tried that powdery green kratom stuff but it tastes and looks like frigging horse diarrhea and also did nothing. I think people like me just don't have the sensors in our brains/bodies to metabolize the compounds in opiates, I wonder why and what that means?
balding is caused by high t. thats why propecia works, it lowers t levels. its sometimes taken by trannies instead of spironolactone
He doesn’t even know the difference between opiods and opiates. He thinks “but it’s in the coffee family” is an argument that means something.
opioid mimicker's and it doesn't even feel like an opioid stop being a pussy go down to the gas station get some red mang da kratom and take about 6 grams and you will feel silly about making this much of a fuss about this leaf
Many websites and companies do serious quality control and many sadly do not.
You are best to go with the ones that do.
The only difference is knocking back a spoonful of powder every few hours instead of taking a pill.
Kratom has some side effects but the pros outway the cons. It improves blood flow to the brain and reduces appetite but it dosent competly kill your appetite like real opioids. It has more antioxidants then green tea. It can be part of a healthy life style. I started taking it 7 years ago since then I’ve lost all my baby fat and got ripped. It helped me start working towards the future and out of bad old habits. It reduces anxiety puts some Pep in your step and kills pain. If you really think it’s a good idea to ban your a fucken idiot
>he thinks an opioid receptor and an opioid are the same thing
Dude learn neurobiology you pleb and stop copy and pasting shit off the internet and thinking your smart
Yes Kratom helped get me clean from heroin
BUT
it's addictive and has withdrawal too
It's like equivalent of codeine if anything
HANDLE WITH CARE
I’ve already done it. I still have some green mean da here beside me. This shit is like a low to moderate dose of tramadol. It’s a dirty feeling gentle opi. I can’t see anyone using this to get off of oxy unless you take 20 grams at a time, and at that point I’d rather just take the oxy instead of a heaping meal of ass mush
I haven’t said anything about legality this entire time, why are you so hung up on this? Are you unable to talk about grown up things without screeching “DONT MAKE IT ILLEGAL” every 5 seconds?
anything will make you feel like crap if you take it for months and then stop even coffee or sugar its not like heroin withdrawal pukeing and shiting yourself to death its more like you feel like crap and you cant sleep but thats after months of continued use
I took it to get off heroin, 8 grams 2x day, made withdrawal ~50-70% more tolerable
No I think that its an opioid because it is you fucking pleb.
Mitragynine is an indole-based opioid-receptor agonist and so is 7-Hydroxymitragynine.
Stop acting like its not a fact because it is.
Kratom was the only way for me to get off opiates personally.
Seriously made a major difference in my journey to being opiate free.
I just don’t believe you, unless
You were railing or smoking h and not a heavy user
You had some of the old kind of “special” Kratom before the Feds scared people into stopping. Lots of Kratom used to be until recently was “enhanced” with RCs and fent.
the green is not the one you use to get off drugs its for like energy supplement red mang da is what you use its t,he one people say feels like opiates and use as a pain killer lol and props to you for taking the green made me want to puke also kratom has a ceiling you cant do more to get higher it ends at about 10 grams after that you will start getting negative effects not positive
Incorrect. got addicted to it after coming off the heroin, it still has withdrawal like opiates, just way less severe. It was cold sweats, insomnia, muscle ache, restlessness, anxiety. Just no puking and only 1/10th of what stronger opiate withdrawal feels like
It also WRECKS testosterone levels
I only advocate it for getting off opiates, it's too risky and basically trash otherwise
I don’t buy into that strain shit. It’s all the same plant with the same drugs in it, just at varying degrees. Either you have good Kratom or you don’t. The only variable is potency, it’s still the same thing
Agreed
fuck the jews
BUMP
It was Red Borneo (best opiate detox strain) and it was 5 years ago.
strains do make a difference
they have different alkaloid profiles
>5 years ago
Try it again sometime and compare, I’d be willing to bet what you had then was adulterated
Forget to mention I was $20-40/day IV heroin user
i disagree on this id agree with weed but i had very different reactions to red,green,and white
very few batches have ever been adulterated its been extremely rare and the few that were were laced with a synthetic analog of tramadol years ago
im so tired of hearing whining about kratom. it seems like everywhere i go someone is typing some screed about how they're totally oppressed when its not even illegal yet. i almost hope they schedule it just to spite you retards.
you realize this shit is grown with pesticides that are banned in the US just sprayed all over them? and theyre harvested by dirty third worlders who shit all over themselves? then its smuggled by literal criminals, because it IS illegal in thailand, and probably mixed with dryer lint and crumbled up florists foam? idk enjoy i guess
Yeah but that’s not going to give different effects, just different potency. Like how alcohol is a stimulant at low doses and depressant at higher doses.
You might compare two strains and say one is pain killing and one is stimulating, but really one is just stronger than the other so you’re comparing differing potencies.
I still have 200 grams lying around. I don't want to try it ever again since im 5 years TOTALLY sober
how long did you take it i did it for about 2 months strait and didn't feel a thing i agree on it being a crappy drug but it should be legal
I know for a fact Gaia used to spray, when he stopped in 2016 everyone started asking why his stuff isn’t as good anymore
Most of it is not coming out of thailand it grows in a lot of other parts of asia as well.
I am not claiming kratom is "oppressed" I am saying it deserves to be kept legal.
smart move i would just get rid of it or give it away if i were you
never used them
was it sprayed with tramadol you think?
8 grams Red Borneo 2x/day for 4 months. I initially was using 10g/3x/day for first week.
Yeah, I have old friends I'm waiting to give it to for when they try to sober up, Already gave another 200 gram bag away to 1 of them.
If you count everything the binds to opioid receptor salvia and cough syrup have to also be counted. It’s a different ball park Kratom is in a different family then the poppy. It’s night and day.
True opioids are substances that are derived from the poppy or very closely resemble the effects. Heroin Oxycodone hydrocodone morpheine codeine full synthetics like Fentenal. It’s stupid to get nick picky and fight over trivial things. Calling Kratom an opioid is disengenous when you call Kratom an opioid you lump it in with all the dangerous drugs that are a threat to public health and kill people everyday. Pharma is predatory. They give Oxys to kids for any reason under the sun. They want addicts
Only real thing that people should take out of this thread is that Kratom isn’t a threat to public health. The media is trying to drum up fear about Kratom to streer public opinion for when (((they))) try to ban to it. So (((they))) can protect their interests in all pharma drugs and keep the profits from the criminal industrial complex.
It was an RC, “o-des-tramadol” if I remember correctly
This user tells the truth. You will shit your ass off and have RLS coming off. Dulls your thought process like weed too while your on it. People should stop sugar coating the negatives like a Jew.
Also very good medicine for when your sick, the best Ive found.
So what type of alkaloids are Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine if they arent opioids?
By weight 7-Hydroxymitragynine is 17x the potency of morphine.
Thats not an opioid?