Yugoslav racial identity

>square heads are bad

Found the soiboi

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Average male height in Croatia is same as Serbia 177cm
You can't scam this information since you had mandatory measuring in army

In world we are relatively tall but in Europe we are absolutely average

Main haplogroup in Sicily and Armenia: J

Main Haplogroup in Albania and Kosovo: E

pussylips is pussylips, nothing can change that, but Rama is manlet

the E haplogroup came from the moors, whom I consider more Sicilian
and most Sicilians have Albanian ancestry, Albanians are Armenoid in origin, but the moor (north african) admixture makes you look more dinaric and that's why in most literature Albanians are considered Dinaric

>Average male height in Croatia is same as Serbia 177cm
Eh, it's not that simple. Everyone who believes e.g. Croats are a homogeneous group is borderline retarded

kek that profile

The Balkan creatures
>inb4 56% memes
are about as "kind of white" as "kind of white" gets, being originally populated by early meds and Persians, they eventually mixed with the Ottomans who occupied their land (except Serbia, Serbia stronk). Ultimately, if we exclude illegals, and children of illegals, Balkans is the least white Peninsula in Europe.

Ok, Juanito

Rama is a 202cm Former basketball player and one of the tallest European leaders senpai.

E doesn't come from moors, E-v13 originated in Central europe 4100 years ago and moved southwards during the bronze age expansions. You're free to believe whatever you want but when we argue facts we argue facts.

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lmao who wants to be white in this day and age

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>Rama is a 202cm Former basketball player
didn't know that, I always thought he was manlet. Oh well, you learn something every day

they came from North Africa/Levant, but they migrated north and came to central Europe, the E-V13 subclade is due to mixing with Central Europeans (mostly with I2a's and J2's)

I mean have you ever seen the two together, they make each-other look average.

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That's not how paternal lineages work though, E-v13 was a mutation that happened to a single E male and subsequently spread to others. Mixing would result only in the spreading of the mutated gene, not the creation of a new one altogether.

ours PM is kinds tall too

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didn't the mutation happen because of the mixing? and most of these subclades are even more divided

Dalmatian genes strong

Belorussians are master race?

he's naturalized purger, but bx blood he's vlaj-bodul mix

Mutations don't happen due to mixing but due to environment. Light eyes are a pretty young mutation that occurred to a single individual but spread very quickly through a population boom. Ice age was over, sedimentary life began, people began having 7+ children and groups started combining.

Regardless of what Varg and the likes say, all Europeans have the genes for light hair and eyes, but the process of determining dominant and recessive traits is completely random.

I see, and what about maternal DNA? are their mutations also due to climate or some other factor

desu Zagreb is basically Dalmatia/Herzegovina at this point

Likewiss by envoronment, but a human egg contains on average 200,000 DNA molecules, whereas sperm just 5-6 molecules, which makes mtDNA a lot harder to map and analyze. Theoretically, the amount of different mtDNA lineages could extend in the millions.

you're good for an Albanian
8/10, very informative

None of us are white, and none of us are your friends. That's all you need to know

I see, also since you look knowledgeable on this topic perhaps I can ask a question.
I have been in the Balkans a fair bit and Albanians seem the strangest of the bunch, there aren’t many definite features.
Some look like Turks others like absolute nordics, some like Slavs etc. yet you don’t really treat each other that different.
Another thing that I should point out is that you are either super capable or complete shit, I haven’t met one yet that is somewhat in the middle ground and I have met a couple.

Croatia was super fun, despite being a bit on that German autismus scale I managed to fit in rather well.

>I managed to fit in rather well.
you may think that, but we ignored your autism so you spend you more euromarks

I'm not talking about fucking Germans. OP is nazi and no one with half a brain here is a nazi, just a handful of brainwashed kiddies and schizo war veterans

Yugoslavia was a downgraded budget version of Austria-Hungary.

heh

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>Everyone who believes e.g. Croats are a homogeneous group is borderline retarded
So which are the subgroups of Croats?

dalmatinci, purgeri, ličani, slavonci, zagorci, partizani, ustaše...

Vlaji, hercegovci, bosanci, how could I forget them... Also ustaše and partizani are most important groups

I would say about half are dalmatians/herzegovian. The other parts being people from nother parts of Croatia.

Based Uralo-European fren

You could divide Croats basically in to two groups. Northernes who are closely related to Slovenians and central Slavs, and the Dinarids.

This. I doubt anyone down there can say with certainty what they are (unless their parents' families are both relatively recent immigrants and they have proof of that).

>Regardless of what Varg and the likes say, all Europeans have the genes for light hair and eyes, but the process of determining dominant and recessive traits is completely random.
I remember those silly pictures in biology class of the neat little percentages to determine what your kids eye color would be. In reality as long as you're European anything can come out.

It's not racial in basis, but rather ethnic and religious. Ex-Yugoslavia as a whole is a really hard sell to non-natives because they don't really get what the problem is. All the same people anyway, right?

You

Caucasian.

Thats it.

Go back to your Amurica and eat racecuckshit.

You forgot that Sweden is I1.

So Swedes wuz Iranians n shit.

Truly most Nordic aryan uberrace.

I raise you a glass of Unikum.

Na zbardhe ftyrën. Lum Shqiptaria që t'ka bre djalë.

The difference in appearance can come from many factors, from nutrition to lifestyle to altitude, there's admittedly a bit too much biodiversity for my liking as well. Also when it comes to skill people will always try to help you, even if sometimes they don't have the slightest idea how.

If you're talking about Gregor Mendel's charts they apply only to major physical traits in humans such as skin color or physical properties in animals/plants.

I'm not sure if it was based on that guy but I just remember in biology in High School we were shown a very simple schedule for determining eye color in regards to the parents' eyes.

Sweden is I1 and Slavs are I2, but Slav and Nord are ethnic terms and aren't exclusive to a single genetic lineage. As i said earlier groups combined to create different groups.

Lum që më ka derisa ta lë.

good on you

how are slavs I2 when most slavs are R1a?

I can trace my family back to the first migration of Serbs to Dalmatia when the Ottomans invaded. Obviously before that who the fuck knows what I was.

It must have been. Every european is born with slightly blue colored eyes because the iris has not begun to develop melanin necessary for eye color. As melanin is created by exposure to the sun the eye color is not achieved until you become 3. The amount of melanin that will be produced in the iris is largely determined by genetics, as the very first mutation was an error in the genome which made it that no melanin reaches the eye.

This is way more evident in cats, which are born with a blue iris and mature into a brown-green iris later.

True but looking at the admixture you guys number at like 80% balkan admixture, which means you are the more balkany of the bunch.
Couple that with your mountainous areas, which I traveled, seemed to hint at the extreme isolation through the centuries.
Could it be possible that you bear the closest resemblance to whichever group we all descended from? Or are you muts?
If you are mixed then I can’t really think of a reason to do so, why would anyone go to that area and mix with the locals?
Seems weird

Yeah, that should be correct. I never go to Novi Zagreb/Dubrava/Pešćenica/etc so idk who lives there desu

user explained it

and slightly blue colored hair, can confirm since my mother saved my first hair strands

As i said it's ethnic terms. I2 is the predominant group for Slavs in the balkans, but it is also present in Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe. Likewise, because of the widespread of E-v13, you could find someone in Russia that has Blue eyes and Blonde hair who belongs to that group and still call him Slavic. Haplogroups aren't tied to ethnicities and vice versa.

arguably in some cases but remember those admixtures are regionally distributed in the southern parts of the ex-yu countries excluding the albanians and bulgarians
the more north you go people tend to be more fair and "eastern" european looking the more south you go its more balkan "dinaric" or something like that

yes i know but how is that connected to slavic migrations?

You could call it selective breeding. In the north of Albania where the laws of the Kanun were supreme to any religious laws, both miscegenation and incest were punished by death. This had lead to the men of one tribe going to another tribe to find wives, which lead to a fine process of homogenization and caused the Albanian Identity by descent (IBD) sequence to be particularly long.

My mother did the same. I had coppery orange hair while my older brother true golden.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4sxLgiAGA

but the more isolated parts you visit, the more chance to get more traditionalist

Racial Yugoslav identity is GibMeDats. They are completely useless. They are degenerate Commie shits. And we all know that Better Dead Than Gungrabbing Red. If they were replaced by Africans it would be an improvement. Slovenia in Yugoslavia no more. Never again. Fuck Yugo. Good riddance.

I see.
The kanun was pretty interesting, guess it explains why Albanians don’t take religion very seriously.
Some guys said it was communism but look at Russia, it tried suppressing them but wasn’t that successful. No the sentiment was already there, the guys that say it was communism should be leftover roaches.

our shared population which has a slavic culture, language and other eastern European traditions
has an exceptional amount of non slavic dna, which is distributed partially in the north and the majority in the south and generally southwards
I2 is non salvic yet we have it the most

that speaks for a large "native" population that was breed out, was assimilated, converted etc etc... we might never know
just like we dont know the language, culture or anything meaningful about those people which blood we carry

You first have to understand that people were already pretty mixed before they began calling themselves Slavs or Germanics or Latins, and that ethnic groups were made of tribes, which were large families of people related to each-other. Think of it as a pyramid where the top is the individual, then comes the immediate family, then wide family and then tribe. If tribes would not have mixed with others then consanginity would have led them to extinction, because tribes first expanded through combining with others.

You two realize that haplogroups are completely useless when it comes to identifying ancestry?
The I2 and R1a that were mentioned before are yDNA haplogroups, which is transferred fully from father to child, which means it completely neglects the female side of your ancestry - i.e. you're looking at the DNA of your father, and his father, and his father etc. Going back just 10 generations you have 1024 ancestors, yet yDNA only contains information about 10 of them.
Imagine a total nigger from Somalia, whose mother 10 generations ago got fucked by a white colonialist. Her son had a son who had a son... all the way to the nigger's father. Everyone in his ancestry except for that one white dude 10 generations ago is a nigger, yet yDNA haplogroup analysis would say that he's a 100% pure blood European.
Haplogroup analysis has it's uses, but determining ancestry is not one of them.

i already know that but how is l2 and r1a connected to each other then AND if there was no serbian language reformation in 19th century i would understand russian language perfectly fine right now

and what is your hair color nowadays?

The kanun has to do but it's not the main reason, the actual reason would be the need for survival.

To give you an example, the Holy Roman Empire used to have plenty of internal wars, it was only after the 30 years war and a ridiculous level of carnage that the people inside came to terms and decided to unite and adopted a common culture.

On the other hand you had Yugoslavia, which instead of trying to unite the people by showing the thibns they had in common (which are more than what north and south Albanians have in common), proudly displayed and glorified their diversity and differences, which actually convinced people they were very different. This led to the 90s wars because nobody truly believed himself to be a Yugoslav. Hoxha was very critical of this and bluntly told Tito he had no udea of nation-building.

Ydna haplogroups are used because of

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You're missing my point.
Both mtDNA and yDNA are bad for determining ancestry because they both suffer from that same problem.
yDNA is passed from father to child, and mtDNA is passed from mother to child.
This means that any analysis done on these only represents a tiny part of your ancestry and overall genetic makeup.

In late Roman days there lived a group there called "Mauri Illyricani" or "Illyrian Moors".
Who this might be we don't know, maybe Kosovars fit the bill, they look a bit like North Africans.

Unfortunately they aren't the smartest bunch, or a good looking one, there's nothing really to be proud of by being a Dinarid.

Literally everything you said is false.

Slavs, Dinarids, remnants of Italians/Hungarians/Germans and finally the mixes between those groups.

Since you seem to know about this sort of thing:
What exactly are Albanians? Are they the most unique entity in the Balkans? Even the language is an isolate within the Indo-Euro language family.

They are connceted through family. If you are I2 and your cousin is R1a that's because your aunt married a R1a man. You are still related to him, despite different paternal lineages.

>hair color

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>This led to the 90s wars
What led to 90s wars is propaganda based on WW2 bad blood that was installed into public by mafiosi who got filthy rich by smuggling, prostitution, human trafficking, selling weapons, drugs and humanitarian help. That's why the whole region is a shithole today, we had the chance to get rid of mafiosi scum but we prefer to be couch potatoes instead

It seems to me that the reason the region is a shithole not just because of corruption and mafiosi, but because of religious differences. Imagine if you were all the same religion, how would you even begin to hate each other?

we don't actually hate each other nowadays. people usually just hate mafiosi scum. the people who hate are those who lost someone in the last war usually.

You're saying most (Catholic) Croats don't generally dislike (Orthodox) Serbs and (Muslim) Bosnians?

I do firmly believe that we are the descendants of the Illyrians. I do however also believe that we should not be handed the entire eastern coast of the adriatic because of this nor claim it. Empires come, empires go, they rise and fall forever, claiming something you had 3000+ years ago doesn't automatically make it yours, that's a postmodernist kind of thought made to appease niggers.

not if they're inside their borders :)

only the retarded ones and not the enlightened ones
how do we (ex-YU) exit "the transition"?
same as libya, afghanistan, iraq...

WE ARE SLAVIC RACE. HAIL OUR PEOPLE HAIL VICTORY

Of course they did i'm not gonna go and deny that, Slobo was CEO of Beobanka befoe getting into politics. What i'm saying is, had Tito taken example of that Illyrist movement you had going, maybe there would be a Yugoslavia today and people would not have been fooled and sent to war.

Yugoslavia doesn't have to exist in order for there to be peace in this region. All it takes is common sense

And that just proves my point doesn't it? From If a Serb or Bosnian became Catholic, I'd wager most Croats would happily accept them, because they're so similar already, it's just the religion that people think makes a huge difference.

And of course, WHAT "borders" exactly are we talking about? Actual borders or meme borders thought up by butthurt nationalists? Are the Croats in Serbia and Bosnia then supposed to leave and vice-versa?

Unironically only time can change things. Future generations who won't care about any of the shit the peoples care about now. Like for example arguments about
>muh rightful clay
what exactly would you do with said clay? Would it improve the situation for your people? Would the economy be better? Would politicians then start focusing on actual issues instead of nationalism-baiting? Nobody in Denmark cares about Skåne, but once upon a time we cared about it a lot. Same thing will end up happening in the Balkans.

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But can DNA testing show anything in that regard? How about modern Albanians compared to modern Greeks, how similar are you?

Compare it to the Turks, the Greco-Anatolian population outnumbered the invading Turkics 10 to 1 yet they ended up adopting their name, language and culture.

A similar thing happened to the natives that became South-Slavs.

the first yugoslavia would beg to differ, while Radic (a croat) was pro yugoslavia up to his death, while Pribicevic (a serb from croatia) hated serbia and in response to a common sentiment that "the serbian army brought freedom to the yugoslavs" asked "how much is that blood so we can pay it off and be done with it"
the people rebelling against the first yugoslavia were ex austrohungarian serbs and montenegrian serbs, while croats got increasingly separatist seeing that 3 different kinds of serbs can't live in a country together and one of the kind of serbs was using the croats as a shield

Already done, we are similar and share a common founding myth.

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>Nobody in Denmark cares about Skåne, but once upon a time we cared about it a lot.
This is a bad comparison. We once cared about Boka Kotorska and Srijem once upon time. Since there are no Croats there it is forgotten.

A different things is BiH where about 0,5 million croats live and who are discriminated.

well for one they wear the same kind of hat the Illyrians were portrayed with (pileus)

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