The biggest lie ever told "Vaccines are safe and effective"

"I didn't know we were importing AIDS virus at the time"

Jesus christ, absolutely horrific.

I always find it amusing how many obvious shills are attracted to this topic. I always thought vaccines were safe until I looked into it and was bombarded with ad hom, shaming, and arguments based purely on fallacy. And because of that I now believe there's certainly something hidden or malicious going on with vaccines

Kinda like questioning everything we're taught about WW2 and being immediately yelled at, shamed and threatened instead of having solid evidence available to prove things
So bring on the shills, lets see how many fallacies we can fit in a thread

Depends on a vaccine, really. Some vaccines a re good, some are harmful. But there's no way to know 100% what's inside. It's like playing a lottery.

That is definitely the biggest issue vaccines are facing right now, is that you can't point out a "flaw" with a vaccine.

You have concerned parents who are pro-vaxx and want to become informed and ask their doctor questions, want to read the studies, want to learn more about how amazing vaccines are. They run into issues like "Why have we never done a vaccinated vs unvaccinated?" or "Why do we not study long-term?" and they are attacked VICIOUSLY for these questions.

It's the shaming that has caused many pro-vaxx parents to become anti-vaxx. If you compare the number of vaccines from the 1970's to now, it's a difference of 8ish to 70+. Of course parents don't want to see their day 1 old baby getting 10 different shots, there is no way that is healthy or normal. They might get MMR and Polio but think HPV, Heb, and varicella are unnecessary and their doctor and the nurse berate them like they just saluted Hitler.
Pic related

Why would you play the lottery with your child's health? Do you not want to know what the rate of an adverse reaction is for a vaccine? Because currently we have 0 clue as to what the rates are.

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Most of the time it's not shills, just people who unconditionally believe in "science can do no wrong". It's a cult like behaviour.

It is amazing that no matter how stupid I think Jow Forums is, you people will always find a way to surprise me and be even stupider.

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That was exactly my point.

That just means the shills aren't paid, they're still shilling

Comment + picture, by the beard of platon thats funny fagtriphides.

Take a look in the mirror user. Autism is now 1 in 40.
>b-b-but we have better detection!
You're telling me we missed something that is costing us more than cancer and diabetes? We missed hundreds of millions of children and NOBODY could figure this out and there is 0 medical literature about it until the 1930's/1940's?

My bad, thought it was sarcasm with "lottery of disease"

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Oh no, we traded millions of people dying of disease for one in a million dying of a preventative measure. It's a conspiracy!

There's no difference between you fucktards talking about the one kid who died from vaccines and bleeding heart libtards talking about the one black dude they know who donates to charity and has PhD. Outliers are irrelevant on a macroscopic scale and always will be so shut the fuck up.

>My bad, thought it was sarcasm with "lottery of disease"
It goes both ways. Sometimes vaccines do help and save lifes.

>retards are willing to die and make their kids die just to be contrarian
imagine being THIS dumb

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Vaxxed is a very decent documentary when it comes to the fucked up practices in our current timeline.

In a nutshell: Vaccines used to be given one by one over a longer time period and in individual doses. Today they will simply inject cocktails of vaccines at an alarming rate in order to cash in.

They now even give vaccines to pregnant women.

Oof, obvious shill is obvious. Piss off.

>more Americans talk about the dangers of vaccines than the fact that boys are being systematically mutilated across the country

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>meme flag
you (((fuckers))) are not even trying at this point.

>monkey flag
thats your brain on zika

I believe vaccines gave me autism

>Autism is now 1 in 40.
No, retard. Autistic spectrum disorders are 1 in 40 and that's a loose fucking definition that is absurdly over-diagnosed. What's really happening is that people grow up staring at their phones and don't interact with other human beings enough so that they behave like autists and eventually get diagnosed as such.

More scare-mongering "vaccines bad" bullshit.
Vaccines save more lives than anything else except treated water supplies.

>fag pirate flag
Prefer being a monkey with zika than a fag with aids

pretty sure you zika monkeys are full of aids too, thats what happens when you can't afford vaccines

samefagging leaf fuck off

>diseases on downtrend probably due to progress made in quality of life
>vaccines found
>follows the same natural downtrend or in some cases went up with some spikes
rly makes u thnk

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Autism is on an all-time high.
Vaccines are on an all-time low.
Really makes you think.
Also, vaccines are relatively safe. Be thankful none of you fagsockets has seen polio, rubella, whopping cough, or variola.

Like I said, it is amazing how no matter stupid I think Jow Forums is, it will always find a way to be more stupid than I ever thought possible.

I'm glad there are some people with functioning brains on this board, but it's a shame that there aren't more.

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>Aids vaccine
butt fucking bug chasing is not a vaccine homo pirate.

please never go to a doctor, doctors are a liberal conspiracy and they will make you gay! If you ever get sick just stay home and eat a banana

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Have you seen vaxxed?
Of course you have not...

Said documentary is not anti vaccine but calls into question the scheduling of vaccines and dubious practices in the industry.
For example: the MMR used to be given as 3 separate jabs over months...it is now a 3 in 1

Yeah they're pretty dodgy

sure thing Rabbi

>millions dying
cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf
measles had a death way of less than 1 per 100,000 people
>0.00001% death rate
vaccines.procon.org/sourcefiles/cdc-reported-cases-and-deaths-from-vaccine-preventable-diseases.pdf
the 1950's had an estimated 500 deaths per year not millions BEFORE the vaccine.
Now let's look at vaccine injuries
vaers-2016-reports.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
>432 deaths
Stanly Plotkins who is the god father of vaccines
youtu.be/rUaOkKUXYek?t=281
>I don't really put much faith into the VAERS system.
IOM
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190024/
>This one study (Geier and Geier, 2004) was not considered in the weight of epidemiologic evidence because it provided data from a passive surveillance system
CDC
cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html
>Limitations: It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event.
>It is not possible to use VAERS data to calculate how often an adverse event occurs in a population.
FDA
congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt977/CRPT-106hrpt977.pdf
>Former FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated that VAERS reports currently represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events
HHS
healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
>fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.
>1% injuries reported
>43,200 deaths in 2016 alone?
hmmmm makes you think.
>risk of measles death 0.00001%
>risk of chicken pox death = risk of tetanus death = risk of diphtheria deaths = risk of mumps death = risk of rubella deaths = risk of vaccine injury/death = ?%
Take your pick.

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This. I'm kind of on the fence about the whole thing, but if you express literally any doubt about vaccination being 100 per cent good, its straight for the moral outrage.

If they were actually completely safe and healthy, I would have thought the best way to go about telling that to anybody who has doubts would be to empathize with their position and be like "its understandable why you might think that and that you only want what's best for your children, but here's what's actually the case...", not basically "if you have any suspicions about vaccination you're a morally bad and stupid person".

Like the flat earth. I've received death threats for bringing it up sometimes.

You keep this shit up and I’ll tell your goddamn mom. She’ll put your faggot ass back in the Ponoka loony bin okay faggot.

>no counter argument just retarded ad hominems
oh no you hurt my feelings :(( STUP ET

I like bullshit stats. You very funnily seem to omit encephalitis cases from measles. Which is brain damage in about 1% of the cases.
Or pertussis lung collapses. Or polio 15% cripple rate. You are the worst kind of human, do you have a large nose by chance?

>"As a nurse I was never taught vaccines can kill"

The ability for vaccines to cause severe anaphylaxis is one of the first things you are taught about vaccine administration. This is why you don't buy degrees from mexican web-colleges guys.

but we need vaciness because we are imporint third worlders

Any reason you think injecting children with toxic chemicals pushed soley by kike companies, whilst kikes don't do it to their own is the right thing to do?
Or is your argument just HURDUR DEY STUPED

I watched the modern sacrificial virgins doc and the doc is an HIV denialist. Fucking dumb nigger

>have you seen my pseudoscience propaganda film?
HAHAHAHA

Loving every laugh.

I hope Hitler comes back and revives eugenics so that low-IQ untermenschen like you will be culled.

>I would have thought the best way to go about telling that to anybody who has doubts would be to empathize with their position and be like "its understandable why you might think that and that you only want what's best for your children, but here's what's actually the case..."
But Patrick, that's exactly what doctors do, but low-IQ untermenschen like you won't listen to them because Billy the braindead conspiracy loon on YouTube told you that the water is turning the frickin' frogs gay.

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There are a few chinks in the armor of our increasingly totalitarian state, and one of them is disease. When you attack vaccines and the social nexus of vaccination itself you are subliminally triggering both an authority crisis and a illness hysteria.

The state and those beholden to it will emotionally, uncritically react to criticism of vaccination as an instinctive defense mechanism.

>t wants frogs to get the gay

If you're on the fence, the big question you should ask yourself is this.
"Is the risk of vaccinating my baby worth the benefit?"
You'll find if you actually research the diseases, they are not deadly. The reason these diseases are killing anyone is because they live in terrible conditions, look at 3rd worlders, they drink poop water, are malnourished, don't have a roof over their head, live in unsanitary conditions, etc.
If you lived like that, even with vaccines you'd still die, not from measles but from terrible conditions

web.archive.org/web/20120927080125/http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/in-short-both.htm
>Approximately 95% of persons infected with polio will have no symptoms.
>About 4-8% of infected persons have minor symptoms,
> Fewer than 1% of polio cases result in permanent paralysis of the limbs (usually the legs).
>Of those paralyzed, 5-10% die when the paralysis strikes the respiratory muscles.
we'll assume 1% to be conservative and even 10%
>0.1% die at MOST according to what the CDC had previous said.
Also, you say bullshit stats, I have provided stats from the CDC themselves, nothing is false or lied about unless you are implying the CDC are liars?
Also they kept changing the numbers on that polio figure.
2014
web.archive.org/web/20140812125524/http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/in-short-both.htm
>Approximately 72% of persons infected with polio will have no symptoms.
>About 24% of infected persons have minor symptoms, such as fever, fatigue, nausea, headache, flu-like symptoms
from 95% and 4% to 72% and 24%, hmmm.

I also notice you have not provided ANY sources, could you post yours? All you've done is spout random numbers with no evidence to back it up, I am sitting on nothing but the actual science.

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>>risk of measles death 0.00001%
>>risk of chicken pox death = >risk of tetanus death = >risk of diphtheria deaths = >risk of mumps death = >risk of rubella deaths =

It's fine user, you can admit that you don't understand science.

If you want to go and live in the woods with your family and stay unvaccinated then PLEASE do so, it will benefit the rest of us because your low-IQ genes will die off from easily preventable diseases and thus won't soil the gene pool.

We must ask that you go and do this out in the woods, away from human contact, though. This is because some people cannot have vaccines for medical reasons, and the way they are protected is through herd immunity (a concept that I very much assume you don't understand, because you clearly don't understand anything).

"Herd immunity" is when the percentage of a population who is immune to a disease is so high that the disease cannot effectively spread. So let's say there's 100 people, and 98 are immune, and 2 are not (perhaps they can't take the vaccine for medical reasons). Let's say one of those 2 people contracts the disease. The disease will have a much harder time trying to spread than it would in a population that isn't immunised. So the other one of the 2 non-immune people, who has not yet contracted the disease, will have protection through herd immunity, that he wouldn't have if he lived in a population that was fully non-immune. See picture related for an explanation of this.

So that's why we will have to send you to the woods so you can commit suicide by stupidity. Otherwise you will be endangering other people, by reducing the herd immunity effect, and providing more of a chance for diseases to spread.

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I shouldn't need to tell anyone because it is clear anyway, but do not talk to this guy unless you really enjoy explaining simple concepts to retards: Actually, not just retards, but hostile retards. Have fun!

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>The ability for vaccines to cause severe anaphylaxis
Do you want to even know the required reporting for anaphylaxis following vaccination?
govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2016-title42/pdf/USCODE-2016-title42-chap6A-subchapXIX-part2-subparta-sec300aa-14.pdf
>A. Anaphylaxis or anaphylactic shock ....................................... 24 hours
>24 hours
Your immune system is PERMANENTLY fucked over for life following the use of a product that is by design, meant you STIMULATE YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM
So if you just hyper stimulated your immune system unnaturally and you become anaphylactic 48 hours or 1 week after getting your vaccines, guess what, didn't happen.
And because it wasn't on this specific table, you won't receive any compensation should you attempt to fight this in vaccine court.
Where, by the way, YOU have to prove causation without discovery as of right.
Anything after this is not required to be reported, so good luck.

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More ad hominem pls Nigel

FYI I tend to err on the side of the widely accepted position, I just can't be 100 per cent sure. And that's apparently worthy of incurring moral outrage and "u must just b dujm" i.e what you're doing now.

Are you literally saying that, presuming vaccination is all completely above board (which I'll admit it probably is), there's still no conceivable reason for anyone to even have the slightest tinge of doubt, and if they do that's somehow deplorable or unimaginably stupid? We're not exactly talking about something so out there its akin to lizard people something. And hell, that sort of thing doesn't get the whole moral condemnation shtick, only ridicule.

Seriously, I'm only curious about why just having some doubts provokes such strong and hostile responses.

Because it’s fucking annoying. They shit up the fucking internet everywhere they go. First fluoride, then everyone should be a vegetarian, the earth is flat, etc. Most of the time they’re bipolar or actually schizophrenic.

>Stop pointing out the issues in vaccines!
Maybe if you actually did REAL science, nobody would call you out on it.
Vaccines haven't even compared vaccinated to unvaccinated.
And before you even try to claim
>But it's unethical to not inject day 1 old babies with several doses of toxic chemicals
You have no right to say that about EXPERIMENTAL vaccines that have NOT been proven effective/safe.
Secondly the VSD is available to actually perform this study ethically.
>In addition, the VSD system has a large enough proportion of unvaccinated children to investigate differences in health outcomes of unvaccinated and vaccinated children.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK206942/

You have no excuses.

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Yeah sure its just like flat earth its literally that far removed from any feasible reality state. Sure. You'd literally have to have a mental illness to express doubt.

Is anyone who even questions an establishment supported narrative mentally ill now? People who get high off their own farts shilling ifuckinglovescience tier talking points in favor of every single establishment narrative are one of the most fucking annoying groups on the internet.

based leaf

>Your immune system is PERMANENTLY fucked over for life
That isn't how allergic reactions work. Being allergic to a particular vaccine means that you are allergic to that vaccine, it has no wider consequences for the function of your immune system.

>So if you just hyper stimulated your immune system unnaturally and you become anaphylactic 48 hours or 1 week after getting your vaccines or 1 week after getting your vaccines, guess what, didn't happen.
It's that way because delayed reactions are very rare and more importantly, it's virtually impossible to prove that a particular vaccine is responsible for the delayed reaction unless you re-expose the person to the vaccine, which would be expensive and dangerous.
Either way, the possibility of having allergic reactions to common medications is a fact of life and can't be predicted or prevented, only treated.
More so, the possibility of an adverse reaction is a something that the client must acknowledge in order to consent to a treatment. If you're afraid of having an allergic reaction then don't get vaccinated... and also don't consent to most classes of antibiotics, opioids, ibuprofen etc. because those all have similar chances of causing an allergic reaction in the general population.

I'm not going to argue that all vaccines are 100% with no side effects because I don't think that is truthful. But you should ask the question, in spite of their side effects were their more human lives saved with the use of vaccines versus letting humanity fight diseases naturally? Vaccines aren't perfect but the good the do for society far outweighs their side effects.

>it's only an allergic reaction
>It couldn't possibly be vaccine induced.

you are an absolute faggot.
You can test anything for allergy in very small doses.

How can you say that when you don't KNOW how many people you are killing?
I have a 0.00001% chance to die from measles in the 1950s
I have a ?% risk of dying from vaccines.
Why have we never addressed the unknown? Why am I supposed to "have faith" that the vaccine is safer than the alternative when nobody has looked at the risk?
vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Introduction-of-DTP-and-OPV-Among-Infants-in-an-Urban-African-Community-A-Natural-Experiment.pdf
>When DTP had been given alone without OPV the HR was 10.0 (2.61–38.6) (Table 3).
The people in this study who got the vaccine had a 10x mortality rate compared to those saved.
They didn't die from what they vaccinated against, congrats. Unfortunately, they had a higher rate of mortality from everything else.
DTP was literally lowering their life span.
The reason this study is so damning to vaccines is because it's one of the rare vaccinated vs unvaccinated studies we have. It's not perfect but it's what we've wanted done for so many years, and what does it show? Those who get the vaccine are much more likely to die.
So with studies like this showing how damning vaccines are, it's no wonder the CDC refuses to even attempt such a study.

Now prove to me that vaccines are safer than the risk, it shouldn't be too hard to show me any data of vaccine injuries, right? Somebody has to have an adverse reaction/die from them, even if the rate is 1/1,000,000 you would think they keep track of it somewhere.

Had a vaccine when I was a teenager and haven't had a flu or cold in 15 years.

>It couldn't possibly be vaccine induced.
It could possibly be literally anything that the person touched, ate or inhaled within the last week. Medicine and law make judgements based on facts, not feelings and assumptions; deciding that it was the vaccine because the reaction happened days after the vaccine was administered, with no supporting evidence doesn't fly.
Furthermore, you aren't going to find any health professional or legal/insurance body that is going agree to potentially give a person a severe allergic reaction if they suspect that the person might be allergic to the vaccine, especially not for a compensation claim, rather than some sort of tangible health benifit.

Actually, intra-dermal and prick testing has been proven not to be reliable methods for confirming vaccine allergies. If a reliable method for screening vaccine allergies ever appears, you can be assured that it will be used.

>I have a 0.00001% chance to die from measles in the 1950s
Source?

Remember that image explaining how the more shills an idea attracts, the better it is? What attracts more shills than antivax threads? Seriously I've NEVER seen such consistent and continuous shilling anywhere but in vax threads and I've been around since /new/.

Vaccines are likely one of the big pillars used to support the future ideal globalist society. Partially because being able to freely inject the population with whatever you want is incredibly useful for obvious reasons, and partially because herd immunity means only the large cattle underclass needs to be vaccinated, effectively making the elites safe from disease while not having to deal with the negative side effects of vaccines.

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Source already posted.
page 85

Ironically diseases are more adapted to densely populated areas rather than depopulated ones. All the major epidemics in history have been associated with dense populations, unsanitary conditions due to density, and cosmopolitan things like trade or transport, which typically occurs at densely populated areas like major ports or coastal cities.

I didn't make a positive or negative judgment about vaccination in my original post, I just pointed out that epidemics remain a critical weakness to the state. There are others, like energy and supply management, but they typically don't engender the same psychological response. If I state the fact that our cities and state would dissolve if food couldn't move for around 3-4 weeks and that the vast majority of homes are unprepared for that duration of independent supply, people wouldn't react in the same way.

The vaccination debate is unique because it challenges authority in the way that something like energy or resource reliance doesn't - although the climate change debate is similar in that respect.

Look at the number of new threads that just went up.

I got a vaccine once, now I have autism and I'm addicted to injecting marijuana

Citing fatality rates of measles is HIGHLY disingenuous, because measles was never a significant killer in the 20th century. The actual threat that measles poses is complications such as hearing loss and brain damage (particularly in children). Try being a little more honest with your propaganda.

>a pseudoscience peddler accuses real scientists of not practicing real science
You couldn't make this up, could you?

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your thread is bullshit. guess wat leaf? i dont have any of those diseases i took vaccines to prevent. im really happy with the way that turned out.

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you speak lies
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17276555

>Try being a little more honest with your propaganda.
So how come I'm always told by you faggots that measles is "deadly"
>invites criticism
you guys literally call for the crucifying of anyone who criticizes vaccines.
>ruthless peer review
You mean the people who make millions of dollars off of vaccines that also approve said vaccine?
>blind faith
You guys don't even know the rates of an adverse reaction in the public because you don't have a working vaccine injury reporting system.
Vaccines are blind medicine.
Cool, you didn't get the "deadly" chicken pox, now you're just gonna have asthma, heart conditions, neurological damage, MS, immunological disorders, other chronic conditions, increased rates of cancer.
Oh did I say you're not gonna get these diseases? Unfortunately, vaccines wear off, you might be immune till you're about 40 at best, then you're completely susceptible to all of these diseases again, have fun getting chicken pox at 40, or measles at 40.

>FYI I tend to err on the side of the widely accepted position, I just can't be 100 per cent sure.
Then read up about vaccines and how they work. There is a wealth of information on the internet which can help answer any questions you may have.

E.g.
The NHS: nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/
Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
The University of Oxford: vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/

That NHS website has some really good answers if you've got concerns, there's a number of different sections on it which go through different concerns. Here's just one thing it has to say about anaphylactic shock, just as a random example, on a page talking about benefits and risks of vaccines:
>On very rare occasions, a severe allergic reaction may happen within a few minutes of the vaccination. This is called an anaphylactic reaction. It can lead to breathing difficulties and, in some cases, collapse.
>Remember that anaphylactic reactions are extremely rare (less than 1 in a million). Vaccination staff are trained to deal with this, and these reactions are completely reversible if treated promptly.
nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/benefits-and-risks/

>Are you literally saying that, presuming vaccination is all completely above board (which I'll admit it probably is), there's still no conceivable reason for anyone to even have the slightest tinge of doubt, and if they do that's somehow deplorable or unimaginably stupid?
Having doubt is fine. And everybody should have questions and a thirst for knowledge. But OP does not seem to have a thirst for knowledge - instead the subject of his thread is "the biggest lie ever told". He's not saying "Hey guys, I have some questions about vaccines, what's the deal?". Instead he's alleging that all the doctors in public health systems like Ireland's and Canada's and the UK's are liars. That is, people who study for years at renowned and accredited institutions. People who save lives daily.

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>doctors know about vaccines
Doctors spend like 1 week on vaccines in school and then constantly receive emails saying "VACCINES ARE SAFE AND EFFECTIVE, MAKE SURE NOBODY GOES WITHOUT"
They don't know about VAERS, they don't want to speak against vaccines, they don't do independent research, they don't know who William Thompson is, they don't research the statistics of these diseases.
Most doctors are uninformed.
>6 in 1 vaccine at the age of 8 weeks old is normal
disgusting.

If you ask any doctor "whats a placebo", they'll tell you it's a sugar pill.
If you tell a doctor that vaccines don't use a placebo, they use another vaccine or AAHS, they'll call you a liar because they don't realize thats how vaccine studies are done.

>you guys literally call for the crucifying of anyone who criticizes vaccines
Yeah nah. Criticism backed by empirical data that can be repeated by experiment is always welcomed.

Criticism backed by superstition tends to be less well received, though.

Thats not true, I had an allergic reaction to a vaccine, went into coma, woke up 2 hours later and my immune system is top notch

You talk to any medical professional that has spoken out against vaccines, strangely enough, they're all targeted and harassed by media and the industry.
You can't honestly believe there is NO data whatsoever and no scientist who has come forward with data that could possibly hurt the vaccine movement can you?
Does it not seem strange that you cannot find a single person who you could even say is well acclaimed and respected that has done a study showing a flaw in the vaccines in at least some aspect?
Can you name me any other medical product on this level of absolute perfection that nobody in the entire world has spoken out against and isn't treated as the scum of the earth by the media?
It's unrealistic, I get you may want to damn and call many of them "crazy" and "unscientific" but there has to at least be SOMEBODY who has found issues with vaccines, how can you have such a perfect product with nobody improving it?
>I had an allergic reaction to a vaccine, went into coma,
>this is fine

you ppl are retarded, but you are free to let your children die, not like you will have any
hahahaha, the absolute state of reddit zoomers here

Vaccines are good , it's a clever way to treat and prevent moreso disease.

However , some of the additives are questionable at best , at worst God knows . Mercury should not be in vaccines .

Didnt say it was fine, I was just saying that an allergic reaction to the vaccine ingredients doesnt fuck up your immune system for life

Hm, who do I think knows more about vaccines? Doctors who spend years at medical school, including postgrads who specialise in immunology for years, or even their entire careers? Or a random loser on Jow Forums?

Let's construct a hypothetical for a moment. In this hypothetical, you really do have some great new knowledge about vaccines which doctors aren't yet aware of. If this hypothetical were the case, then you wouldn't really be going about things the proper way, would you?

Why would someone with such important public health information come to Jow Forums of all places?
Why would you accuse the world's scientists and doctors of spreading "lies" in your OP's subject line, instead of respectfully pointing out the errors of their ways? How can you expect anybody to take you seriously if you insult people instead of acting in a civil manner?

Of course you're just a troll and I don't know why I'm feeding the trolls really - I guess I'm just hoping that I can show some other people on Jow Forums how much of a retard you are.

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>anaphylaxis is not something serious for life that may have been induced by the vaccine
>implying doctors aren't going to school from a bought out university that receives millions from pharma
Doctors are learning from the wrong person.
Every doctor who has spoken out against vaccines has said this, that they are not taught about the dangers of vaccines in school.

>doctors don't know about this
how naive you are. you honestly think doctors aren't in on this? they intentionally make you sick with vaccines so they get more patients later = more profits for them. You naive fool

few white kids die
if you fill out the forms correctly

people that die often have algries or die from infection or dirty needles that are left untreated.

its what happens when you don't have it done with a registered doctor.
You see your GP and get appoval first.

my kids got all the jabs and they are fine.
because I followed proper proceedure.

if you go to the military get ready for experimental vaccinees because most people that die are military though vaccinations

I know this because I did all those things.

>hippocrates
Kek

>mortality rates
gj retard

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Nothing to do with that, most doctors want to help, they think they're doing the right thing.
They are just not presented with real data showing the danger of vaccines.

Thats why most doctors who speak out against them are independent researchers.

Though, there are vaccine target goals that their superiors push for. Your child could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to a hospital in order for them to reach that goal. That is a bias, they aren't looking out for your health, they are looking for money.

>these diseases are DEADLY and kill MILLIONS
>data is presented that show diseases as non-deadly and deaths are extremely rare
>HURR mortality isn't the only thing!

dumbass, doctors already know about this thats why most doctors never give the vaccines to themselves or their kids. You honestly think information and data are the problem? They can find the data everywhere for free if they wanted. Its all about the money, its the Medical Industrial complex in which doctors get the big money for research and vaccines then use the money to infect more people which results in even more money for research and vaccines

if yo want to know how doctors make money see cance patients and old peoples hip and knee replacements and repeat vists from people over 80

plastic surgery, "reconstructions", smaking related illness, cancer make up the bulk of operations.

why do you still think despite all the money into cancer it was not found to have a cure?

but ebola had a cure in less than 2 weeks?