This is deep

woah

my

brain

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>not posting the real version

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How is it different from libertarianism?

>The absolute naivety and stupidity signalled by their dumb facial expression
This is meant to redpill people on why police are needed right?

I agree with this for the wrong reasons

we had that to an extent and it's why lynchings existed
without police the degenerates and invaders would receive mob justice

Liberty is only possible with self-governance. This is only possible with a super majority population of Anglo Protestant believers in Christ.

>what does a police free world look like?

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In a police-free world, I would hunt these people for sport

Based reasonable man.

Very powerful. They should start this in South Chicago, East St Louis, Memphis, Baltimore, and a few other select places that have issues with their police. What a great idea! Those communities will wrap themselves around this new culture and show us how it is to be done.

>Tori Hong
Muh based traditional Asian womenz XD

There’s literally nothing wrong with this other than that they think you can apply it to a city full of fags and shitskins.

So no guns and no police?
Sounds like a criminal's paradise

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True. It really is how a lot of communities still function. Unfortunately I know another side of reality too. See my post

"We Protect Each Other"

so roving gangs regularly erupting into violence to solve disputes

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No police means every nigger who looks at me crossways gets drilled with the hottest 10mm load I can carry, I imagine it's much the same for other men. Niggers, and nigger lovers, that is. Fuck, when did you realize police perpetuate the nigger-state?

witnessed

magnificent

>those faces

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the only way to rehabilitate drug users is by beating them and sending them to an isolated island where one will have to share the same space with that filth

These faces are the faces of the dead and conquered.

Who do they think is going to enforce their hatespeech censorship laws if there is no law enforcement organization?

Yes yes very good I love my anti police activists

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They may be idiots but what exactly are you going to do without them?

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>What does a POLICE-FREE world look like?

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>The community gets to believe in it's own power again.

This bitch serious? HAS SHE EVEN SEEN CHICAGO?!

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RULEBREAKING THREAD

DO NOT FUCKING REPLY, REPORT IT

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>ayyo black lives matta! we dindu nuffin *looting intensifies*
>police: So be it, we will leave you to your own devices
>*record high murder rate intensifies*
>ayy why dem police not doing shit they lettin niggas die out in these streets

>Join a gang of cannibals

LOL WUT

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You're confusing anarchism and libertarianism. Libertarians would have police to protect against violations of the NAP, to find and arrest those who break it and to uphold civil court decisions. They just wouldn't have laws that weren't necessary to uphold the NAP.

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I think we should stop sending police into nigger areas.

>"Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns defend people against people with smaller guns." - Stan Smith

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Police have only existed for about 150 years and there is no reason to suppose its impossible to live in a safe community without them or gang violence

Police departments sure
Before law used to be enforced by the military directly under the control of the king

Yea, before hand it was government troops or military, MUCH BETTER.

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thats a generalization and historical inaccuracy
due to the decentralized nature of pre-modern states most communities dealt with problems themselves without the intervention of any sort of military

>Police have only existed for about 150 years

You are retarded, codified laws and a sworn order of men to enforce them have been around since hammurabi

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>Police have only existed for about 150 years

You are utterly fucking wrong. Every era had it's enforcers, them being either part of the civilian, religious or military class. As example for the civil forces - Small communities usually solved transgressions locally under the rulings of a village consul, that being ineffective however as it lead to generations long blood feuds. Religious prosecution was even more severe as it's servants were above reproach and were open to massive corruption. Military control was brutal and indiscriminate, leaving far more victims behind than the rest.

Jesus fucking Christ, are you daft ?

Yeah they just fucking killed the undesirables.
Maybe we should consider it.

I mean, as a person who desires a literal race war, I would love for all cops to stand down.

Without a state apparatus to protect private property at all levels, production lines come to a screeching halt. You need a functioning authority for capitalism to work.

>this fuckwit

Just because there wasn't a dedicated police force purely for the purpose doesn't mean nobody enforced laws- often through far more violent and tyrannical means than modern cops

I like how these things never have a white male in it.

Having a nights watch or a constable is different from modern municipal police forces
Its not until the mid-1800s that professional police departments appeared

>lead to generations long blood feuds
only in shitskin countries

completely wrong, the death penalty was far less common than people assume
for example, until the Mongol Invasion the death penalty was exceedingly rare in what today is Russia

enforcing laws =/= police force

>often through far more violent and tyrannical means than modern cops
historically inaccurate and a generalization

>the police are corrupt
>so let's remove all the rules and regulations that hold them accountable
i feel like i'm hitting a strawman
surely nobody believes this nonsense

More like shop keepers pay off a gang of thugs to protect them, and the whole cycle starts all over again.

if you believe that then you should be supporting the laws that keeps them in line
take away their uniform and you still have a large organisation of armed, trained men
they just answer to a new set of rules and a new chain of command
it's unbelievably naive to think those new rules will be better for society than the current rules

I'm reading about the 30 Years War right now. The methods that municipalities used to maintain law and order were quite vicious. (1620s).

>the shopkeepers start nailing looters to the walls
a single shopkeeper is no match for an organised gang of armed thugs, which is the alternative power structure to the legal system

I lost IQ points looking at that image.
I want them back.

FFS, the my college has propaganda hanging on all the light posts with pictures of a variety of mudslimes and text that reads "you are welcome here". Not a single picture of a white person, male or female.

the 30 Years War was a war, and a particularly violent one, so the methods of law enforcement reflected that
I'm talking about peacetime

>enforcing laws =/= police force
You're arguing semantics at this point. The point made was that there has been law enforcement for a lot longer than 150 years.

I'm seeing it now; packs of nogs roving the streets stomping windshields, sucker punching people, looting their bodies. Gang raping in broad daylight. It would be quite the hellscape.

No its not semantics and I never said law enforcement didn't exist
Police forces are only one of many ways to enforce laws and the fact that laws were enforced before municipal police forces developed about 150 years ago does not justify them

>Somalia
>Nigeria
>Uganda
>Congo

>new orleans post-katrina

Who were the Sheriffs and their guards then?

To believe that the world would be better off without Police enforcement of Laws requires a belief in the perfectibility of mankind, and anyone who believes in a perfect anything is a moron. We know that mankind in general is a savage and brutal beast that is only held in check by the consequences of his actions. If you take away the consequences of rape and murder and theft, you increase those things. If there is not a rule of law and a dedicated body of public servants to enforce those laws there is nothing except the ancient savagery that took millenia to escape and replace. Those who would idealize the pre-municipal/public nature of the past would have you believe in a world of idyllic peace.
>Its only having laws and enforcing them that makes people bad. If nothing was illegal then there would be no crime!
Indeed.
They forget that the past was essentially a new petty dictatorship in every village with arbitrary and individualized formed of justice and injustice. It was largely pay-to-play and most murders and rapes were never solved or just pinned on a local likely suspect for convince. Theft, even minor was punished brutally, and again arbitrarily based on the nature and personality of whatever gang/shogunate/prince/nobleman/tyrant was in charge. Yes there was some self governing based on peoples fear of God, but you lot destroyed that already.

The irony is that local police forces are made up of people from local communities and subject to the regulations passed by local governments elected by the people. You already have exactly what you claim to want. When there is a problem there are mechanisms for investigation and the people can change the laws by voting.

The missing ingredient to your Utopia of peaceful mankind is Personal Accountability and Responsibility for ones actions. If this is not taught to a young person and instilled in them from an early age they will never respect themselves, the laws of your community, or anything else.

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While this is coming from bad people with bad intentions, and they're giving bad reasons, police were never on our side.

Police don't protect the average citizen from criminals, they protect the criminals from the average citizen. While courts and officials who enforce court orders are ancient, the institution of professional police is only a couple hundred years old. Almost immediately, they became an instrument of anarcho-tyranny, denying the right of the ordinary citizen to defend their community, while reserving the right to allow crime to happen and to grant mercy to criminals that decent citizens would shoot on sight, given the choice.

The need for law and order isn't a need for police, it's a need for sound institutions and civic virtue. There is no way to reliably manufacture special, incorruptible people as needed for official positions, therefore, arguments fall flat that government agents will fulfill the roles assigned to them more honestly than citizens will. Rather, we get thugs of the state in a self-serving bureaucracy.

Before police, we had private prosecution, and of course, acts of defense, hot pursuit, and citizen's arrest. Anyone could bring evidence and argument before the court that someone had committed a crime, and get a warrant for the arrest. An end to police doesn't mean an end to sheriffs and bailiffs. Under posse comitatus, any able-bodied man could be deputized to hunt down a dangerous criminal known to be in the area. Thus, all men needed to be prepared to defend their community, as a basic qualification for manhood.

*We* would be better off without police to come and charge the defenders of the community with the crime of clearing away red-handed criminal scum. The communities where they particularly advocate this, on the other hand, would collapse into chaos and literally starve, without order being imposed from outside.

Nigger aint nobody got time to read all that

>It's all white people
Even black people think it's retarded to get rid of the police.

what happens to people who are minorities in their community?
you might be all for gang- sorry COMMUNITY warfare over contested local territories because you would win that particular fight in your neighbourhood
but white people in black neighbourhoods?
non-muslim people in muslim neighbourhoods?
these people depend on the police, and the constitutions the police uphold, for their very existence

Did you even read it? Advocating against police isn't advocating for lawlessness. Police originated in lawful, orderly societies, they weren't created to end a state of primal chaos. There would still be courts, sherrifs, and bailiffs.

>white people in black neighbourhoods?
>non-muslim people in muslim neighbourhoods?
You know they're already not safe. The police prevent the containment of these hostile elements among us, they ensure their freedom to sally forth from their enclaves to raid us.

The essential problem of the police is that they take the role of defense of the community away from the community itself, which in practice has meant selectively not defending the community, in order to advance the cause of evil.

This

Why would I ever need a cop if I can protect myself?

>a world without police
So good ol Rebel justice like in dixie. A nice old lynching every now and then

I would be down for this.

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a very different group from modern municipal police

>police-free state
I welcome it. I would burn through my (local) kill-list in a weekend.

Our system, as it exists now, attracts the wrong personalities into the police force. And a general lack of recruits forces stations to keep mediocre cops.
We can blame individual police for their individual failings, but the failure of the institution as a whole is the fault of the system that guides it.

i skimmed it if i'm honest
and you make a lot of good points
i've lost a lot of faith in our current legal system after hearing about the failures regarding "grooming" gangs here in the uk
i've read about cases in which the police arrested men trying to rescue their daughters, while leaving the daughters in the hands of the rape gangs
heard cases where the police found dozens of men lining up to rape an underage girl who had been knocked semi-conscious by alcohol, and only arresting the girl for underage drinking
but still, it sounds like what you're advocating for would lead to overt sharia law in muslim communities, and swift decline into civil war
i have to concede that civil war might be inevitable anyway, and that sharia law is the de facto law in muslim communities anyway
but while i have virtually no faith left in the current enforcement of our laws, putting law enforcement in the hands of the mob seems more dangerous to me than an impartial constitutional justice system, which we might not have a perfect example of at the moment, but which can be reformed easier than it can be replaced

that's a big if

>Police free World
So i can rob,rape and murder daily? Based!

>this is deep

Sorry to bring reddit into this but. r/im14andthisisdeep

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you might be able to do that on day one
but day two you'd be swinging from a gallows (unless you had a gang of armed outlaws protecting you)

That's wrong on so many Levels...

>putting law enforcement in the hands of the mob seems more dangerous to me than an impartial constitutional justice system
That system predates the police. A professional police force wasn't a thing in 1776, let alone in the earlier formative times of the English legal system. As I previously said, what we had before was a right to defend the community, and private prosecution: if someone wanted to accuse a defender of acting wrongly, they had to take personal responsibility for it to bring it before the court. There was no professional force of busybodies who were "just doing their job" when they try to bring every defense shooting before the court as a crime, and go around disarming people who might defend themselves.

>they waste resources on petty crimes like marijuana or drug crimes
u mad, druggie?
>Rehabilitation is a better solution.
You mispelled death

Not a very different group than modern county Sheriffs though.

yep, real deep, grow up babies.

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What about that shopkeeper, the men in his family, and some community members that don't want to be victimized by roving bandits?

>Police have only existed for about 150 years

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A true anarcho capitalist utopia doesn’t eliminate police it just eliminates state funded police. Instead they are basically mercenaries for hire that businesses employ to keep order and protect their property rights. Realistically it’s hard to see In a situation like that the mercenaries wouldn’t just turn on everyone and become warlords and the most powerful group in the anarcho state. See Somalia.

the history of when the system was put in place has no bearing on its effectiveness or fairness
i'm sure there were plenty of miscarriages of justice in 1776
and you still have the right to join the police and defend your community as a police officer, if you are willing and able to uphold the law
if the law is just, then what you want is police "just doing their job"
if someone claims they killed a person in self defence, that's still a matter for the court because they may be lying or have used unreasonable force
as for disarming people who might defend themselves, that's a matter for lawmakers, not enforcers
if the law is wrong, then it's reform that's needed, not a complete replacement of the system with inconsistent and unpredictable wild west "justice"

They are interested in shopkeeping and farming mud or whatever. The bandits are dedicated to fighting and amassing weapons. The more power they have the more that power demands to be maintained until they've established a state with police.

if they, as a group, can take on the bandits and win, then they become the power elite
now who stops them from robbing and killing whoever they want?