How do I come to terms with the fact that I'll never have a 'great' girl?

The girl in the picture is like a 9 in my opinion

If she's a 9 then what constitutes a 10? Dear lord...

Femanon again :)
Well you don’t only need a good personality, you also need a good job if you’re lacking in that area (most of the time) Do you have that at least?

Also how do you dress? My ex who was a 6 greatly improved in looks and presentation when he grew a beard and started dressing better. Button down shirts, nice shoes, nice jeans etc...

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OMG dumbasses. Go and have a relationship. You might actually meet someone nice and then find out that beauty is not everything. You may get lucky and meet a super fun girl!

>Femanon again :)
Stop LARPing, it's obvious you're a guy

I've heard dressing is important, that's probably something that could help me out a lot, I dress like I'm still in high school. I like it but yeah probably not that appealing to women. Thanks for the tips.

Nope, I’m a woman. Not larping. Guess what? Women actually look at Jow Forums :o

I used to be the peacocky Jow Forums & /fa/ retard and I dated a 9/10.
She cheated on me after 3 years, so I just stopped dressing up and grooming as much. Women still give me attention, even the hot ones eyeball me from time to time because I apparently have a qt face.
Sadly, I cannot regain my trust in them and choose not to engage in relationships any more.
I didn't even pull tail in about 3 years, that just made me feel more guilty and hollow.
Shit's fucked yo.

That the first things you brought up were not moral character or courage says something very bad about you.

Lol you’re such a naive person. We are talking about things that initially attract women.
Moral character comes later. But guess what? Looks and an interesting personality are the first things someone will notice.

This is part of the reason you never ask the fish how to catch them. A good job isn't a real prerequisite - no girl can tell what kind of job you have just by looking at you. That being said, you probly don't want to work at McDonalds.

Look I get that you’re Probably angry because I’m a woman. let’s face it most of Jow Forums hates women.

You also need to realize that the world works a certain way. Men and women are first attracted to looks. That’s just how human nature works. Of course having a deep connection with someone and morals matter but we only care about your morals AFTER we know we are attracted to you physically, and personality wise

Well in a dating profile it could potentially help, but you’re right if the girl doesn’t like your picture she is less likely to even read what you have to say in your bio.

It really is possible for 5s and 6s to snag hot women. It just depends on a lot of factors.

Virgin most likely

>, funny, charismatic, and an all around interesting person. Maybe even if you’re a 5.
how do I become this?

Work on yourself without compromising who you are at your core (because then everything is essentially fake and not being a genuine person can lead to unhappiness)

You honestly will have it easier if you just get really fit.

My girlfriends and I used to make fun of my ex’s roommate because he had a face that looked like chucky (the creepy doll) but he was also really fit and pulled in mad hot girls. If he wasn’t fit he would be a 3, that’s how ugly his face was. He was also a terrible sociopathic person, not sure if that also attracted the girls. They were all way younger than him so we’re probably insecure and he took advantage

Eh, I realize I'm wasting my time here by trying to explain this, but the problem is that real inner strength is so fucking rare that you cannot afford to place any selection criteria before it. Instead of asking someone out because of their looks or charisma, ask them out after you've already gained some insight into their character. It may only take days, it may take weeks, but if you yourself have some integrity you won't be friendzoned as long as the other person has gotten some insight into you as well. I've asked seven people out, I dated seven people for varying lengths of time, and I'm now married at 28. Do you think it actually makes sense to ask someone out when you don't know if they''ll treat you decently? Dating is a shitshow for the general public for that reason. There are exceptions, sometimes you get to observe people in very telling circumstances and some people really are very good judges of character, but I find it dismally funny that people just jump into a date armed with nothing but hope and appearances.

Literally everything you’re saying is common sense. Yes, we only want to date people who treat us well.

BUT LOOKS STILL MATTER. I’m attracted to my boyfriend because of how he looks and I’m also attracted to him because he’s a genuinely good person who treats me well.
I didn’t sleep with him even until we knew eachother for 3 months. I waited to make it official and I waited to get to know him.

You are explaining yourself when you didn’t even need to.
Stop assuming please
Looks still matter just as much as morals and personality

At no point did OP mention wanting a girl with inner strength... I think this entire thread is a bust, dude.

>because I apparently have a qt face.
If only life was that easy

How Jow Forums was he

He was 6 feet tall and incredibly fit. Not like a juice head but he was military so maybe that gives you an idea

My point was that you should already know about someone's character before you even ask them out for the first time and that their looks should not be a factor in getting you to that point whatsoever. Otherwise, let's say you've been dating someone for a month and then they cheat on you or some such. You've wasted all that time and you'll suffer emotional backlash even if you didn't sleep with them. Just take the time to get to know them instead.

>Looks still matter just as much as morals and personality
No, they don't. They're nice if they're there incidentally, but they're not even close to being equal in importance.

Yeah I'm going to sleep.

Hope to I come to terms with the fact that I'll never have a 'passable' girl?

Like not obese and won't cheat on me.

They may not matter to you but they matter to most people :)

Are you a 'passable' guy?

Dude it’s so much easier for ugly men then it is for ugly women to get a passable significant other because if you work out and learn how to be suave you can get a decent looking woman.

Women with ugly faces are basically screwed no matter how much they work out.

I honestly have no idea. I'm 5'11 and I know a bunch of huge and average sized people in the army

Marine and special ops training. He was fit. Very muscular arms and “okay” abs.

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Femanons of Jow Forums, how honestly hard is it for an average looking guy to get a beautiful (not pretty) woman?
Is there anything to make up for having an ugly face?

23.0 BMI, shower every day, wear form fitting jeans and polos, and would never cheat even if the entire Playboy mansion smashed into my apartment to try to steal all my underwear, 6/10 according to /soc/

But man asking people out is brutal I don't know if my heart can take any more rejections. I'm one of those guys who always aced every single test even graduate school admissions, went to nationals in all my clubs, and I am just not used to failure.

>Can't even get replies from 300 pound women with no college education

Online dating is full of normal desperate people and terrible people with standards higher than they can afford to have, of both genders. If you want to date, either try something like Tinder which is more 'normie' or just meeting people irl. And remember, contrary to what you read here, if you're a normal looking guy with a decent profile, you should get a decent amount of matches on Tinder.

I'll give it a try but I've heard Tinder is even worse and I honestly just want something real more than a hookup. I've also heard Kik is a place to meet people from /soc/ but I have left it collecting dust since I got temp banned for having a """nude profile pic""" which was me fully clothed wearing a cowboy hat (in admittedly poor lighting).

Bump for answer

Realize that looks are not everything and when you're both 60 and ugly, you want someone by your side that you genuinely love for who they are. Someone you can have a conversation with, who you can trust, who accepts you and loves you with all your flaws.

Looks fade, that's what I'm saying. I'm not gonna pretend they're not important, especially at first, but stop looking for porn looks in real life women. Most 9-10 girls are retarded and vapid anyway. Do you want a fuckbuddy or do you want a real, long lasting relationship?

>Realize that looks are not everything
Wrong

Are you implying that looks are the only thing that matters?

In dating? Yes. I'm not saying personality doesn't matter but not if you're ugly

Female and I agree. If you’re ugly you should expect to be with an ugly person, it’s how the world works. There are exceptions of course but don’t bet on it

Absolutely incorrect. The amount of dudes I know irl who bat well above their weight because they're genuinely interesting people is pretty high. Not everyone is a vapid cunt that has to settle.

That's not the same as saying "looks are the only thing that matters". I'd rather a 7/10 with a good personality than an 8/10 without.

But all guys are ugly compared to women.
The most attractive man is just a 5 if he were to be judged on the female scale.

From an objetive viewpoints women are ugly: no muscle just fat and fatbags, small, hairless, thin voice, weak bones, overall inferior body.

But since I am a hetero Borderline normie by biology makes me think those attributes are great. Because fatbags feed babies n stuff.

Now you are just redefining objective beauty.
Lets look at art:
The delicate, precise and graceful is considered more beautiful than the useful and intimidating.
While there are positive things about the absolute feminine and the absolute masculine, I often see the absolute feminine realized in people where the ideal masculine is really rare and often falls short somehow.

The truth is most women with their life sorted out will look for a guy that has his life sorted out or at the very least has enough stuff sorted out to be potentially successful in the long term. If you suck at doing any kind of job and are "uggo" then yeah you're screwed. I really don't know what to tell you if that's the case, try to work on yourself little by little even if it takes years. In the end you have nothing else to lose so why not go for it right?

I see guys despite have pretty decent or acceptable looks and having higher than average intelligence are held back by insecurities and fears usually coming from past experiences. Blame their families or people that happened to be around them at the time but if they can't overcome those weaknesses it can tear them apart when they're adults because by then you have the world's weight and size on your shoulders.

I agree. But can the masculine usefull not be precise, fine and all that? Toned muscles and ample fat bubble butts both have their use. I should reconsider, there is no objektive beauty. Male peacocks are beautifull to us, the hens are plain. We focus on the nice colours. For slaughter the hen might be better because of the flesh. Also beauty. Nice feathers or nice flesh? I like redheads others do not. All preference. What was the point again??

Dude loyalty and somewhat attractive that'll make your dick hard is the most important thing.

Don't be one dimensional about this.
There are people who have no attraction to each other at first, but start to feel it after getting to know each other as friends. There are people who are attracted at first sight. There are people who have it bad for someone until the other person opens their mouth and their disgusting personality or disagreeable politics fall out. I've lived all three to one degree or another.

t. another actual biological female

Or you know, looks are subjective. Maybe the guy or girl that you think is gross hits someone else's turn ons in all the right ways. I'm a redhead and that's fetish fuel for my husband but other people think it's disgusting. Fucking hell, these number scales are the most autistic thing I've ever seen. What are you going to do next, rate sunsets or bitch about how Mexican food is out of your mouth's league?

I second that
I befriended a guy who was not my type appearance-wise at all. But he turned out to be totally fascinating, smart as fuck, funny, witty, masculine but understanding and supportive when I had problems. And guess what, I fell in love with him and found myself loving aspects of his appearance which I previously found boring, bland or even unattractive. Love is werid like that, anons.
t. another cis girl

sir
pls present bussy and bobs

this is awfully false. 6/10 guy here with great scholar records, studying a good subject in engineering in uni, have a job, belong in a middle to high class family, have a lot of friends but I still can't find someone to look at me.

A surprisingly high amount of 8+/10s aren't in a relationship. Most say it to get people to leave them alone, but if you take time to be just friends first you'll find out they're looking for someone. Greater Chads only go for 10s and Lesser Chads go for 9-9.5s. I'm a 6.5/10 and after a few months of banter at work I asked my 9/10 coworker out for tacos and ice cream just as friends. It took from the time I first met her until then to work up the courage to do this. And she accepted. I made sure it was platonic- no hug hello, no kiss goodbye, just treated her like one of the guys. 3 more just friends "dates" later she said I'm the first person she's been able to be herself around in a long time and asked if I was single. I said I was, she said "not anymore- I want to be your girlfriend", and 3 years later we're getting married. I was a 25 year old khv.

The moral of the story is don't come across as desperate, let them know you're just looking for a friend, and the rest will happen.

>9/10 coworker
Everyone says that. But good for you man.
Why'd you wait such a long time to ask her out tho? Some giga Chad could have swooped in and asked her out before you.

Op what the fuck is wrong with you?

Nothing why?

Being treated like a person instead of a video game puzzle is nice.

That's an average of ratings I've gotten about her. My parents thought I was buying dates until we got our parents to meet each other. I was nervous to ask her out and I also assumed she was in a relationship which is why I went with the most friendzone possible dinner suggestion. Chad wasn't really a problem for two reasons. First, I was one of three men who worked there- one was the token faggot and the other was a bro from an old job who was already in a relationship and encouraged me to ask her out. Second, she had such terrible self esteem and introversion that if anyone had asked her on a date she'd have said she was in a relationship already. She accepted my invitation and wanted follow ups specifically because I got her to do 90% of the talk and it was obvious that I wasn't interested in sex. Most of our time together has been getting her out of her shell and not viewing herself as a loser, which has been a major investment with a huge payout. I know there's a fair amount of luck in my situation but the bottom line is there's no reward without risk, and how you present yourself matters most.

pics

>Women actually look at Jow Forums :o
not stable well-adjusted ones, which is what you're making yourself out to be

this might explain.
youtube.com/watch?v=vwbKYcBdVyk

you make it sound so easy

Kill yourself roastie. My gf is prettier than what I ever thought I would end up with, smart as fuck, was pure before meeting me unlike your skank ass, and I'm very far from successful. I have maybe 1 of the things you listed and yet she adores me.

OP don't listen to redpill-studying virgins or roastie whores. Keep dating with high standards (for the best person, not the best slam piece) and eventually a girl will like you despite all your room for improvement.

You don't have to be Superman and have all that shit, you just have to have ambition and at least keep trying to better yourself.

Bump

you could if you were a mildly interesting man with a non-irritating personality, stable life, and acceptable looks (mostly due to basic hygiene since men aren't expected to wear makeup, dress up, or stay thin).

it's just that most dudes are lazy no-hobby unhygienic unemployed entitled children.

hope this helps

Lel. She lied to you about being a virgin because she sensed your insecurity.

if you have your shit together, can make us laugh, and know how to deal with us when we're being retarded it's basically a cakewalk. being in shape isn't even strictly necessary, though it obv helps. attraction works differently for us, we don't prioritise the visual like you do. men and women are not the same. we haven't got the exact same wiring as each other. you're shooting yourself in the foot trying to think from our perspective without actually leaving your own. looks matter. good looks will work in your favour. being ugly does not put you at a disadvantage that's insurmountable. levelup on charm = congrats, you have made up for having an ugly face.

Are you single?

good question. wish i had an answer to that myself. i don't know.