Hey everyone, So I was raised (and currently live) in upstate New York, a fairly liberal area, as you might guess. Both my parents were registered democrats, and I considered myself to be by default left-wing until about 14-15 when I actually got into politics. When I started getting interested in exploring political debate in America, I found myself consistently swinging right. I discovered this through figures like Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Lauren Southern, and Paul Joseph Watson. I started agreeing with them to the point where I started considering myself a pretty Generic conservative. I idolized Ronald Reagan, was overtly patriotic, and and supported Donald Trump in the 2016 election. Now that I think about it, that's when I really cemented my position as a member of the Republican base.
However, I consistently find myself swinging even further right. I'm reading Heinlein's Starship Troopers right now, and I find the philosophy in it to be fascinating and I can't really disagree with it. I tend to think positively toward traditional systems of government, i.e. monarchy and oligarchy, and I highly admire Augusto Pinochet and Francisco Franco, two right-wing autocrats. I even begin to see the virtues of a fascist system of government, extreme as that may me. I find myself to be, generally, strongly traditionalist, believing in the importance of societal standards and religious morals, and in an international context, I am strongly Machiavellian.
What I'm asking, I suppose, is, what do you guys think of all this? Did any of you go through a similar transformation? Do you think I should openly explore these ideas, or should I just stick to being a typical Republican, as that's controversial enough in my state? Thanks.
Oh, I should also add, a very important part of me becoming more right-wing was me starting to regularly attend mass at a Catholic Church near me after my Grandfather passed.
Colton Cooper
>what do you guys think of all this? Good for you breaking out of the shitlib globo homo matrix. My advice is don't get consumed with this stuff. Plan on moving out of state, NY will get more gun grabby under a more shitlib president in the future. Find a woman, make white babies. Arm yourself, learn to grow food, learn minor mechanics on a car. Slowly prep. Ammo, hiking equip, freeze dried food, tools, and gold/silver, in that order. >Do you think I should openly explore these ideas Being a normie republican is the lowest level of cuckery imagineable. Its like the battered wife that keeps going back to her husband just to get hit one more time. The one and only thing the republican party has managed to "conserve" is the 2nd amendment, and only partially at that. That's it. Everything else they're the party of caving in eventually. Cedeing soverignity, affordable care act, amnesty, irs, fed reserve, you name it theyve cucked to it. This shit never gets passed under admins they control (short of regan the cucks amnesty), but they sure as shit never overturn it or repeal the legislation when they get back in control of govt. So in short fuck being a typical republican, just act like one in the street and at work until the time comes.
Elijah Baker
Thanks. I like the idea of publicly advocating for a farther-right-than-Republican America, but I'm also just a little concerned about public backlash. Especially talking about fascism in any way approaching neutrality will get you labelled a racist, nazi, hitlerite holocaust denier, and your life is basically over at that point.
Carter Wilson
learn2quote
it's not by mahler
>21. Januar 1910 in french parliament by Jean Jaurès
Zachary Myers
Bring up gaddafi's green book, his views on family, tradition and national unity are very natsoc. But most commies don't realize he is fash because he is brown and assume these views are commie.
Jonathan Robinson
>Did any of you go through a similar transformation?
I went through something similar. Started on the left but became completely disenchanted with it after a series of 'movements' sprouted that were irreconcilable with my core values. I flirted with far-right ideology for a while (and still sympathise) but ultimately realised that my interest in traditionalism and other apparently right-wing beliefs were driven by a fundamental hatred of consumerism and the excessess of capitalism. It became clear to me that the reason I came to dislike the 'progressive left' was because it is just an incredibly successful brand of Capitalism, and that I only ever associated with them because the 'left-right spectrum' of politics so prevalent in our discourse duped me into doing so.
Now, I would consider myself 'on the left' again if pressed, I want to nationalise the banks and regulate much of the economy with the goal of taking 'money power' out of the equation. I am still very traditionalist, traditionalism is entirely consistent with a left-wing economic position and in my opinion exclusively so. There is nothing conservative about capitalism, it exists to break down social structures and 'create new markets' by debasing our long held beliefs and preying on our worst instincts.
Jason Cooper
>. I even begin to see the virtues of a fascist system of government, extreme as that may me.
Kek,
Get off your high horse, faggot.
Fascism =/= conservatism.
You fail to grasp the essence of fascism and ethnic nationalism. The psychological structure of fascist propaganda is always made to appeal to the irrational. The fascist personality is not subordinated to the patriarchal authority. The Fuhrer is not a father figure, but a nihilist himself, your comrade, that crazy pal who goes over the edge transgressing conventional mores and ethnics.
The cliched understanding of fascism goes along the lines that in our modern societies we have lost our basic coordinates and so in search of stability we find refuge in passionate ethnic identification. But fascism doesn't operate like this. While it's explicit message calls for a conservative revolution, restoring hierarchical and tradition -- only and complete idiot would take this at face value.
The appeal of fascism lies in it's obscene promise of perverted enjoyment in things that our current democratic order prohibits. The appeal of Turner Diaries isn't in it's traditionalist moral message (there isn't any), the part that made it so appealing to Stormcels was the promise of a holy race war. A race war where you may violate and break the stiff rules that guide our liberal-democratic order of peaceful coexistence. You may o harass, hate, kill, feast, fuck - repeat, leaving your moral reservations on the back seat.
The masters of self-preservation. You'd be a fool not to take their advice in such matters.
Carter Scott
I respect fascism because it is an ideology of strength. it doesn't flinch at invading other nations, because it simply must out of a need to survive. It dispenses with the "white man's burden" moral justification and leaves the bare necessity that in order to survive, we must be strong. Stronger than our enemies. I respect that aspect, but I don't consider myself a fascist, and I don't really see the practicality of an ethnostate in the U.S.
Cooper Myers
I don't believe there should be a race war or an ethnostate, and I really consider myself more of a reactionary than a fascist.
Carter Baker
Maybe read some NRx stuff, you might like it. Recent Nick Land or something.
Cameron Flores
Thanks.
Thomas Green
>I discovered this through figures like Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Lauren Southern, and Paul Joseph Watson so you're the guy who listens to those wackos?
read books and fuck off with the monarch mindwashers
start with Fritz Thyssen "I paid Hitler"
Ethan Myers
>I'm reading Heinlein's Starship Troopers he wrote it as an allegory about the Red Chinese
Oliver Fisher
Well, the idea in Starship Troopers that I really found appealing was that of an earned franchise. In America, we are so entrenched in this idea that voting is a right, that I never really thought to question it. But after I read about that, it really makes sense. When you think about it, political authority is, and has always been throughout history, a privilege. Why should it not have to be earned? I think it's a pretty good idea, or at least it makes sense.
Adrian Thomas
And I like the philosophy about force and authority. Some of the ideas are actually taken straight from On War by Clausewitz, I believe.
Robert Wright
Get off your high horse, faggot and demonstrate why the Fuhrer is not a father figure for example.
> only and complete idiot would take this at face value. While it's explicit message calls for a democratic reform, producing equality (I mean rights) and societal progress -- only and complete idiot would take this at face value.
I've been interested for awhile in prohibiting pornography in the U.S. I think it would be only beneficial, but of course leftists, and even probably some righties would cry "but muh free speech." Even though, with the premise of free speech, there is a strong argument that porn doesn't qualify. Btw, is pornography allowed in Hungary? And, are there any other democracies that ban it?
Oliver Russell
It's not banned in Hungary, I can't think of any "Western" countries where porn is banned, maybe Russia. >pic not related
No and yes actually. I also considered myself leftist by default but never put much thought into it until I went through a "mental" transformation starting at around 14. At that point I swung heavily towards the left and socialism, beyond what the standard was at the time (which was pretty center-left). However I always valued family values underneath all that without realizing.
It would stay like that for years until around 2014/15 due to many world events. This was also the time when hard leftism became the norm and forced me to critically analyze my opinions. For the first time, I didn't just claim to "understand the opposition", I ACTUALLY understood. I swung from far left to far right in a short amount of time. There was never any in-between for me, although I tried hard to center myself, it was impossible considering the modern world and that which I was surrounded with.
I do not like to box my opinions as "far right" aside from my social views. I don't believe in left/right in terms of economic opinions. I also have no shame in being "far right" at all. I have these hardlined views for a reason, and I make sure not to come off as some shaved-headed, tattooed edgelord or some fedora wearing ultra autist. But I do make sure to keep my opinions hidden to most except my wife who also got redpilled by me, as to not negatively impact my employment. Even opinions which I believe to be "normal" or rational, like those on transgenderism or sexuality I make sure to keep hidden in this modern climate.
Ethan Morales
Thanks. I feel the far-right as an entirely unfair association nowadays. It is a perfectly reasonable, tenable position. I also try to be careful about it, and I actually have a job interview later today.
I actually took the political compass test one time when I still considered myself to be a mainstream republican, and it put me in right-wing authoritarian. I wrote it off at the time, and assumed it must me wrong, but now I actually pretty much agree.
Leo Brooks
This what you mean?
Parker Powell
>However, I consistently find myself swinging even further right Donald trump will probably be the most liberal president you will see in our lifetime.
Connor Robinson
I used to be very left bottom in the political compass, then that changed during 2016. Started watching those shitty Steven crowder vids on YouTube, watched some milo too but his sexuality was a turn off pretty quick. Heard about Jow Forums being a terrible place full of nazis, (was a lolbertatian by this point,) and went over here to troll. 2 months of browsing, and I agreed with most things posted. I now spends free time outdoors, participate in genealogy work, and working on getting Jow Forums. The only rough part is that I seperated myself from my family in the process. My dad never did much with me during my childhood, besides watch football and come home tired, and my mother would fly into fits of screaming whenever I decided to make my own decisions. I have a steady job now, and an apartment, looking at getting my first house soon. Good luck user, anyone else have a similar story?
Oliver Murphy
Most people go through a similar phrase.
And you should absolutely explore it further.
I recommend the YouTubers below:
- Stefan Molyneux - Lauren Southern - Black Pigeon Speaks - James Allsup - Computing Forever - The Red Elephants - Red Ice TV - Tommy Robinson - Squatting Slav TV - Blonde in the Belly of the Beast - ThuleanPerspective - Angry Foreigner - Brittany Pettibone - The Iconoclast - Blackpilled - The Golden One - Faith J Goldy - Dr. Steve Turley - Way of the World - Jean Francois Gariepy - Ryan Dawson - Millennial Woes - Mark Collett - ramzpaul -The Alt Hype - VertigoPolitix - American Renaissance - Matthew Drake - Cultured Thug - On the Offensive - Zionist Report - Sanity4Sweden - Morgoth's Review - Aaron Kasparov - Simon Harris - Earthling Carl - Southern Dingo - CounterCurrentsTV - No White Guilt - Palestra Media - Heel Turn - ProperGander TV - The Kaaplander - The Great Order - Radio Albion - Asha Logos - The Lost Eurasians - Jefferson Lee - Conquering Modernity - Europe is Falling - Andy Nowicki - Radical Capitalist
Noah Ramirez
Thanks. I've heard of quite a few of those names already, and I've seen a few of their videos.
Matthew Edwards
yup. how far upstate?
Anthony Jones
Monroe county. Recent midterms were the first time I voted btw.
Wyatt Green
I'm guessing Binghamton
Oliver Young
Close.
Jaxson Bell
Actually Binghamton is not close, I don't know what I'm talking about, Monroe County is all I'm gonna say.
Isaac Bailey
So Rochester, I always heard people call it western NY rather than upstate but whatever.
Bentley Brooks
Tons of people call basically anything in NY far enough outside of NYC upstate. Anything close to NYC is just "close to NYC". It's funny how everyone thinks of New York as relative to New York City.
Carson Wood
>idolized Ronald Reagan Things that killed the US for 1000
Gabriel Thompson
I know, I hate that so much. And I always thought we were more western than upstate, but I thought everyone just called it upstate, as opposed to downstate. Or the Finger Lakes. But yes, around Rochester.
