Mormonism and its political affiliation

Are we talking about mere party affiliation or Ideology?

Being a Republican does not necessarily mean right wing. Again, see Romney and Flake.

I am aware. Yes I am talking about ideology. Which obviously trickles into party affiliation (not my point though). Your perception of Mormons being leftists may be true in South America. However in US it’s not the case. Are they leftists compared to you and I? Possibly.

It's a Satanic cult with zero attachment to Christianity other than what they stole for gibs.

No matter what else happens, they do have good looking churches. You have to give them that.

I live in Utah and its pretty trad im gonna be honest but the Californians keep coming and ruining it. I know that Mormonism is a heresy but from it did in Utah it seems to create a good society with friendly white people, I just wish it was not theologically retarded.

>What are your thoughts on mormons pol?
ExMo(tard) here.
There's good bad and ugly in every religion.

The Good
-Mormonism has heaps of good conservative wholesome strong family values.

The Bad
-it's a cult, demanding on your time, energy, resources and money.

The Ugly
-The book of mormon is a fictional book pretending to be an ancient record of a non existent people on par containing much 'pseudohistorical fact such as PreColombian horses in circa between 3,100BC to 421AD and massive battles involving millions of armoured soldiers.
The book of mormon as a fictional book it's pretty epic and would one day make a good film saga. It could do with a completely modern rewrite and released as fiction - it would out sell Harry Potter.

Pretty much sums it up for me as well

You exMo?
Why did you leave?

Here is a more relevant chart than affiliations within our false two party system where you can either support Republicans or support communists.
Also doesn't lump hispanic Catholics and black protestants in with the whites, which is what always drags down those respective numbers.

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I stopped going when I still lived with my family probably freshman year in high school. I just straight up refused to go as I didn’t identify with it. Considering myself a pragmatist I just had no faith in god. Maybe a year ago I stumbled onto the CES letter. Anyone exposed to the CES letter and is still a Mormon is just too far indoctrinated... like my family :(

>CES letter
All my family and extended family are active, some distant relative live in Utah (i think Sandy ?) I've emailed the CES letter link to all of them -they just believe it's 'anti-stuff'.
The same with Grant Palmer's book and good old Steve Benson's interviews, which I showed them over the years. Admittedly I would have thought the same way once upon a time.
I was a RM and married in the Temple once upon a time. Left because could not reconcile basic history, science and evolution with various statements made by the prophets over the years and my 'faith shelf' broke and I couldnt put it back together.

They have Mormonism in Cyprus?

They're taking in shitskins dime a dozen now, get with the times

No...actually probably.
I'm not from here though as was raised in the church, part of my family was one of the earliest members to join.

Probably some American on a NATO base

Mormonism is false, but there is a God, and He wants more for you than just a life of unbridled atheism. Jesus began one true church, the Catholic church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. You both are probably pretty jaded with idiots talking like this, but there is a much more rational and philosophically based way of approaching Christianity, and supporting its claims, that Mormons and protestants often ignore.

My mom says literally the same thing whenever I provide evidence. Also says “it’s satan working to destroy god’s house etc. the mental gymnastics these people pull to stay blue pilled is just straight up frustrating. Your situation sounds a lot like mine

I wrote a my IB history internal assessment on the early Latter Day Saint Movement, and I know a bit more about it than the average non-Mormon. Were your ancestors notable members?
Ironically enough, a lot of what Joesph Smith was tapping into was the gaps left by protestant theology, and he was able to garner support by starting a psuedo- recatholiszing of the church

Joseph Smith was 14 years old when he began the movement. A higher power was involved and allowed every facet of ancient Christianity to be brought to the table including racial curses. An uneducated farm boy didn't just write the Book of Mormon, if you think that then you are not familiar with it. Also the Catholic Church is evil and protects pedos at any cost, but no one likes to discuss that.

pederasty is a foundational component of civilization.

I'd looked in Jesus in detail.
Jesus taught 'nuJudaism' and had a 'commune' type of following.
He didnt establish a 'church' per se, the translation of ancient greek says the kingdom of God is 'IN' you when he talks to the Pharisees.
His teachings and followers were alll but lost after his death.
Only James the younger (his brother) continued teaching it from 33AD to 60AD and his followers were insignificant.
Paul came along and saw that he could have a good life leading a commune and made up his own account of Jesus.
He added new teachings and did away with the James' Judaic beliefs on things like circumcision.
Paul was worked tiredlessly to spread his new story.
Christianity got it's lucky break when Emperor Nero decided to blame the obscure christian sect for the false flag arson of Rome.
This resulted in a huge uptick of people wanting to join Christianity due to the blow they had struck on Rome.
Suddenly new books were written around this time 70AD due to it's growing popularity and from there it blossomed from a commune into something of an orgainisation with cetain beliefs.
Obviously by 325AD it was made the official religion of Rome and incorporated into their existing beliefs.

>An uneducated farm boy didn't just write the Book of Mormon, if you think that then you are not familiar with it
He wasn't uneducated, he had a deep knowledge of the bible from a young age. He was incredibly intelligent and had deep spiritual experiences early on. Also, he wasn't actually 14 when he wrote the book of Mormon. The LDS church was founded in 1830. Smith was born in 1805. He claimed to have an encounter with God and Jesus in the forest (later changing his story by the way) when he was 14, so that would have been in 1819. This isn't some uneducated 14 year old we're talking about here. He had just under a decade to think this shit up.

> Also the Catholic Church is evil and protects pedos at any cost, but no one likes to discuss that.
I'm Catholic, and I'm happy to discuss how 50% of our priests and probably like 75% of our bishops are corrupt and heretical people, many of whom used their positions to abuse children. But the answer to heresy isn't more heresy. It's to fight for what is true and just.

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>Joesph Smith was tapping into was the gaps left by protestant theology,
Not to disagree with you, im sure you thesis is interesting, but there was of course a massive revival during that period as people came to terms with religious freedom.
See Second Great Awakening
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_religion_in_the_United_States#Great_Awakenings_and_evangelicalism
I know a fair deal about the American west during the 19th century because of the LDS church's history.

Mormons are the ultimate NPCs

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>the mental gymnastics these people pull to stay blue pilled is just straight up frustrating.
The church is comforting as it gives you 'rails for life' in a difficult world to make sense of.
Why would you want to deny it or rock your faith?
If I could do a Cypher and jump back in I would.

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How old were you when you left the church? are you still with your mormon wife? if not can you explain what happened ?

Rather not go into it thanks.

i understand. wish you the best man.

You're existential evil like the synagogue of Satan you attend,

Yeah it sure is the white man's christianity
t. Black mormon

thanks brother.
just know I never sinned
or sold my signs or tokens for money.

> the synagogue of Satan you attend,
I dont attend any religious building of worship.

>Jesus taught 'nuJudaism' and had a 'commune' type of following
>Commune type of following
This is just the version of the story that modernists like to weave. Jesus wasn't some hippy spewing "be nice to everyone and share" nonsense, that's just a strawman that is set up by enemies of the church so they can knock it down.

>His teachings and followers were alll but lost after his death
Why do you say this? Do you believe the gospels to be inaccurate historically? How and why would Christianity have spread if there was no one around to testify to what Christ did, much less teach what he actually taught?

>Only James the younger (his brother)
Jesus was an only child. The Greek for "Brother" can mean either "Brother" or "Male cousin" Mary was a perpetual virgin.

>Paul came along and saw that he could have a good life leading a commune and made up his own account of Jesus.
Paul was a contemporary of Peter, and 10 other apostles who actually knew Christ. Paul also was humiliated in his community, imprisioned and murdered for what he believed, so to suggest he did it for personal gain is fairly inaccurate.

Thsi whole post reaks of "wokeness" user. Why would people jump at the chance to join a sect where they would humiliate you and torture you to death if they caught you associating with?

>Not to disagree with you, im sure you thesis is interesting, but there was of course a massive revival during that period as people came to terms with religious freedom. See Second Great Awakening
Oh no, that was the main factor. I'm nor denying that. The gaps made by Protestantism thing I said was just an interesting side factor in my opinion

I sincerely respect your views, it's a matter of faith, if you want to believe in Jesus.

Got a blog or an work on Jstor? I'd read it with interest.

You should convert to the one true faith, which is Catholicism. Mormonism just contains fragments of the fullness of what God has given to us

>I'm catholic

well not worth debating then. hope you weren't molested. Unfortunately every religion has creepy pedos in some degree but the Catholic Church actively covers theirs up and you are defending it.

>Christianity: single benevolent God
>Judaism: benevolent demiurge
>gnostic: evil demiurge

Mormonism is clearly the white man’s Judaism.

>just know I never sinned or sold my signs or tokens for money.

too curious not to ask - what do you mean by this?

Trash.

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I'd say the early mormons were more akin to white man's Islam.
But then again Joseph Smith to create his own bank and currency in Kirkland...so maybe Judaism is correct.

Endowment oath - video /live show (depending where you are user)

>it's a matter of faith
I appreciate that user, and I respect you as a human being more so than I respect your individual beliefs, but for me, to be honest, I'm among those in the small percentage of nutjobs who don't take it as a matter of faith, but rather know with certainty that God is real. There is a faith aspect, but that manifests itself more as the kind of faith that one might show their spouse. It's more like loyalty. I'll pray for you though man, you seem pretty well educated.

mormons wear magic underpants or something. sounds kinda cultish to me.

>grow up in LA
>Be minority white kid all through school
>See nothing but homeless niggers vomiting on the sidewalk or gangbanging nigger bix nooding or beaners beaning
>it’s a complete shithole that keeps voting for those who will keep it that way until it becomes a Brazilian Favela
>Finish college, work in LA for a year
>Apply for position in a west Valley Utah
>move ther, see nothing but large, happy white families with young white parents and a bunch of cute little white kids
>see the occasional beaner, still drowned out in a sea of white faces

I still don’t know much about Mormonism but they sure as hell do something right, when Jew York City and LA liberals love shitting all over Mormons for being weird while they live in shitholes of degeneracy it shows that the Mormons do something right

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No, unfortunately I don't, but thank you man

I was Oriental Orthodox before

>It was created for reasons i don't care to understand but i don't want you to be happy because i'm not happy
>t. never been a mormon but i want you to believe that i was
FTFY

>well not worth debating then
Not an argument

> hope you weren't molested
I'm a convert, not raised in the church

>Unfortunately every religion has creepy pedos in some degree but the Catholic Church actively covers theirs up and you are defending it.
Not defending it at all, the people who rape kids or cover it up are going to have a very bad time when they have to face God about it (and hopefully when they face the secular justice system as well) Please repent of your heresy

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers, regardless of my belief (or lack of) I'm grateful for your concern.
If there is a God, I'm sure we will all be judged according to the light and knowledge which we've received.
If my decisions have been wrong then I will answer for that too.

>chick tracks
>a word doc of a bunch of conspiracy theorists links saved to your computer for this express purpose

What made you switch to Mormonism?

Mormonism is a degenerate cult. I would know, my mother is a Mormon and my sister was one.

Catholicism. Not. Even. Once.

why dont you enlighten me

You should throw something up on a free blog.
I'm avid reader of early US history, especially details and things on the peripheries that people like to drill down into; providing it's factual and accounts for the difference primary and secondary sources unless they make clear they are speculating.

>degenerate

ok, gonna need to cite some sources for that claim sir.

Mormonism today is nothing like what it was in the 1800's. It's a corporation that encourages race mixing and their core missionary efforts are in third world countries.

I don't want you to go to hell, and I know it's not popular to tell people they have a possibility of going there, but all of us have a spot reserved in both heaven and hell. We get to choose. Just try praying again user, even if it feels foolish. I know that God will be merciful to you and judge you fairly, but He wants to have a relationship with you. 9/10 people including my family think I'm fucking stupid for believing this, but its the truth, there are many philosophical and scientifically based proofs for His existence that I've encountered. You're more enlightened than 90% of people right off the bat considering you've acknowledged you may have to answer for what you do. Please live a life that God would be pleased with user.

Early US history was never my real interest, but I ended up learning a lot about it inadvertently through studying the Mormon War. The fact that such a thing even happened generally catches people off-guard. I think we should focus more on early US history though. There are entire eras that are just kind of glossed over simply because they don't have much relevance to the narrative that certain interests want to weave.
Starting a blog would be an interesting concept though, not sure how many people would actually read it though kek

> Please live a life that God would be pleased with user.
If only you knew. I've had more tribulations and hardship than Job and Joseph in Eqypt combined and I try my best to do what's right based on the circumstances.
I'll even pray right in a moment.
I always feel like I'm talking to myself now though.
Although I will concede once upon a time a felt like there was something there listening.

>Starting a blog would be an interesting concept though, not sure how many people would actually read it though kek
Dont worry about that, just do it for others.
What's interesting is how very close the US government was to invading Utah it would have changed the USA's history with religion entirely.
I think Waco has modern day parallels to how the US government feels about religious groups.

>I've had more tribulations and hardship than Job and Joseph in Egypt combined and I try my best to do what's right based on the circumstances
I can't say I've had it that bad, and you're probably stronger than most for having gone through all that shit, whatever it may have been, but I really do relate to that in a way man. It's so difficult sometimes, but I also try to live faithfully to God despite failing probably mkore than half the time. But God is what is helping me get through some of this stuff man, it's probably hard to trust in Him based on your circumstances, but even if it may seem bleak, He's put you where you are for a reason, and His end goal is to be with you eternally, and to use you as a mechanism to do good in the world.

>I always feel like I'm talking to myself now though.
>Although I will concede once upon a time a felt like there was something there listening.

Saint John of the Cross called this phenomenon the dark night of the soul. Most people experience this in difficult seasons of life. Many saints even have. Jesus Himself willingly put Himself through it on the cross, putting Himself in a place where He would actually question why His Father forsake Him. And He made thsi sacrafice presisely because He forsaw the hardships of your life, and knew that you specifically would need Him.
It might feel like no one is listening, but He hears you user. He may also be giving you an opportunity to come to Him in a more authentic way if you don't feel anything. But everytime we pray, we are really just kind of responding to the Holy Spirit urging us to pray. It's never us crying out to Him although He isn't listening. All prayer is a response, and when we pray it is because He wants to speak with us. I know God has a plan for your life man, He knew you from before the world was formed

I appreciate your inspiring words user.
If there really creator of the universe I would surrender myself to it.

Have you heard of the double slit experiment?
I hate to be the typical Jow Forumstard and post a 20 minute long youtube video that proves God's existence kek, but to be honest with you this realization really helped me convert from militant atheism to Catholicism.
youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM&t=159s
The video explains it better than I can briefly, which is the only reason I am posting it rather than explaining the implications myself. Feel free to watch it at your lesiure or not at all really. I had a teacher explain the theory in mind blowing detail once, and he would go on to kind of becoem a spiritual mentor for me.

Additionally, have you heard the stories of Our Lady of Fatima or Our Lady of Guadalupe? Those are a few the limited number of Christ-supporting miracles I find it truly hard to dispute even from a skeptic's perspective.

>Have you heard of the double slit experiment?
I know of it, but not of any tenuous link to Christianity, nonetheless I shall give it a watch right now.

Another man made religion where the founder couldn't prove a goddam thing. Every single organized religion is bullshit.

Temple Garments have interesting roots in Masonry

Godspeed user

Was gonna go to a protest this Saturday at the North temple in SLC but Cuckerberg deleted the FB event, had 6k going to 600 on the new one. Idk if I should still go, don't wanna be the only tard there shouting by myself. Maybe I should anyway idk.

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What are you protesting? You are aware that protesting accomplishes nothing but starting a great big virtue signaling convention, right?

Im going to need to watch that video again and probably need some post grad in quantum physics to critically understand theirs interpretation.
But absolutely fascinating.
I once read a book called 'Universe Solved' -by Jim Elvidge which dealt a similar hand albeit from a 'simulation' angle.
I have no way of reconciling this video and 'quantum effects', with what I know of the world and I suppose most people are in the same boat.

The Utah legislature just passed a "compromise" bill to Prop 2, our medical marijuana bill that was recently passed. The compromise is SUPER restrictive, and was written by the LDS church (who owns billions of stock in pharmaceuticals)
Not to mention the LDS church protects pedophiles like the catholics.
checked

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What a fucking asshole

God bless you, user

It was created so Joseph Smith could start his own little country. Then Brigham Young took it to the next level and basically legitimized themselves as a distinct part of America because they had so many damn kids they had their own little army which made the government scared. So much so they let Brigham Young be Governor of the Wyoming Territory.

>'Universe Solved' -by Jim Elvidge which dealt a similar hand albeit from a 'simulation' angle.
The simulation angle is really incredible when you dig deep enough down that rabbit hole. Sounds like an interesting read.

As for reconciling that information with the world as we experience it, it can be tough man. It really doesn't make intuitive sense that everything should in theory be just a subjective projection of my own consciousness experiencing it, but there is a Grand Observer who lends this soup of potential subjective experiences an objective truth.
This lines up fairly nicely in my view with how God claims to be "The Way, the Truth and the Life." He is actually the essence of truth from which all things that are true receive that nature from. it's very interesting to see such a Platonic and seemingly non-concrete premise be so utterly vindicated and supported scientifically. Considering you are an ex-Mormon who seems to know quite a bit, this should sort of have a familiar feel to it considering Mormonism's emphasis on Platonism. There are many things that Mormonism gets wrong though.

There is a lot of truth to Plato's theory of forms, and a lot of it fits right into the nature of God with Christ being the perfected form of man from which we receive our nature (we are made in the image of God.)

There are other proofs I like to share with people that make sense, though this one is my favorite. God bless you. Please keep seeking God. You will find Him user, because He wants to have a relationship with you

Utah, idk why I said Wyoming.

Thank you, you as well

I Live in Utah, and the few black girls available to me here are Mormon. I want to be able to marry one, and I'd have to be a baptized Mormon. Also the Book of Mormon has always been intriguing to me.

I dated a black mormon girl myself once. Back in my scumbag atheist days, I ended up turning her first kiss into a lot more than that (consensually of course), and I basically acted like an all around idiot, but I was kind of just a terrible desicion that she made as she was losing her faith. It's really depressing now to look back on that I actually had some small part in making someone lose faith, even if it was Mormonism.

As for yourself user, I get that the pull to convert because you want to find a good wife is strong. But that isn't really a great reason to convert. I am a catholic, and I do think that there are Mormons who might actually be saved ultimately despite certain false teachings, but Mormonism is not the fullness of the truth, even if you can have a relationship with Chist while being a Mormon. Jow Forums will probably tell you you need to stick to marrying a black woman, and that might be your preferance, but I gotta tell you man, I'm sure God wants you to marry a woman of strong faith moreso than a woman who has the same racial qualities as you. Mormonism has some very heretical dogmas such as the notion that we can ourselves be like Gods. This is the very start of Eve's sin in the garden when Satan tells her if she disobeys God she will be like a goddess herself. There is only one God. The Mormon conception of divinity would produce an infinite regression of gods. Do not be lead astray by any woman, this kind of thing happened a lot in the old testament, with women convicing their husbands into idolotry.

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All I know about Mormons is pic related.

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>black mormon
I told you guys the lds "church" is just a bullshit organization.

Mormonism isnt christian. Full stop. It's as Christian as Islam is since both acknowledge jesus as important but that's about it.

Mormon theology has some weird deviant shit about populating your own planets with your "celestial wives" or some weird ass shit.

It's a cult, and it isn't Christian. Mormon is its own sect. It's a mixture of free masonry and Christianity. I don't mind it though.

Mormonism is its own religion*

Why doesn't pol just start a religion. I know lots of anons consider Hitler the second coming of Christ. If Nazis were a religion the liberal media wouldn't be allowed to persecute them and it would further highlight the joke that is multiculturalism.

(((mormonism))) is (((freemasonry))) is (((judaism)))

(((mormonism))) was created to go spy on the catholic bloodline in the southwest in 1865

you are all a bunch of kikes

If it isn't true what is? What's the purpose of living on this shithole if there isn't a hereafter?