Moving to the USA

I visited NY and NJ. I liked NYC of course, but there were too many people, I was actually more impressed when I took the highway and drove around in Newark.
As I said, I like how fucking huge everything is there. There's a sense of freedom of movement and nobody giving a shit about you that I appreciate.
I've always been drawn to that way of life in general, so nothing was really unexpected either and I didn't feel "out of my element" at all, if that makes sense.
Yeah, I want to visit the south whenever I can, and the midwest as well.
I definitely am willing to move, the question is how. Quick research shows that getting hired legally in the US as a foreigner is tedious as fuck.
My country is among the better ones but I've never liked living there. Also

Not that it isn't at all, but it is far less degenerate.

what's your metric or standard for "degeneracy"? A handful of Jow Forums shitposts?

Whatever you decide to do, OP, good luck and God bless you

>Yeah, I want to visit the south
America is so big that you'll find totally different people here than you will in the NE.
I'd like to think people down here are a little more personable. Southern Hospitality isn't a meme.

>I definitely am willing to move, the question is how. Quick research shows that getting hired legally in the US as a foreigner is tedious as fuck.

This is a good question. But, where I live is a fuck load of IT jobs. Also, there is a fuck load of foreigners. Tons of Europeans too. Everyday I go to the grocery store I hear some sort of European language being spoken, and I live in a very wealthy area. So someone has to be getting these people here. IT companies (which all major corporations have located here) are in desperate mode for IT employees. Maybe they are sponsoring visas to skilled people?

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Thanks man.
What would you say are the drawbacks of living in the south compared to the NE or pacific coast?
You live in a big city? I'd like to get away from the constant activity and stress of those. Suburban or even rural areas would be more my thing, but there's probably no tech jobs there.
I'd actually be completely willing to do something that isn't related to my field, but I'm not sure if that would be possible since I doubt small businesses sponsor visas.

>What would you say are the drawbacks of living in the south compared to the NE or pacific coast?
It gets hot as hell. Also mosquitoes.
but it's cheaper, the food is amazing, and the people are more down to earth

Look up Northern Virginia. It’s a suburb of Washington DC. You don’t have to live in a busy area. Many people commute from smaller towns where it’s cheaper

Any where in the Midwest is good OP, I love Indiana

>It gets hot as hell.
Hot is good.
Can those things be generalized to all southern states? Is there a big difference between the south and the midwest?
>Many people commute from smaller towns
Isn't it draining when you have to commute two hours per day to your workplace?
As I said, I'm completely ok with getting less career opportunities if it means living in a less urban environment.
Well I'm not at the point where I'm searching for a specific place to live or anything, right now I'm more concerned with how to immigrate in the first place. But yeah the midwest and the south seem like cool places.

I live in western Connecticut, it's pretty cute but having to commute to NYC is a fucking nightmare. I've been staying in Atlanta for a few months, it's a lot less intimidating than NYC and there's a very solid tech industry down here. You should definitely consider it

You never said what country your from have you OP ? Germany because of the Jeg ? I always heard germans thought Americans were weird for drinking it because it's more of a tonic or something there

Seems hard to believe that you couldn't just get a normal job then eventually become a permanent resident
Plenty of people come from other countries and become school teachers or business owners or whatever, it's not just highly qualified people

Why do you hate your country so much, buddy? Have you even been around Europe to compare?

That two year IT should be all you need to get your foot in the door anywhere. I guess the only preference you would need is whether you like the hot or cold environments. I live in Mississippi, so it can get pretty hot. It's also really tough to live in because of shit economy.

Ball is in your court. Plenty of small towns to go around. Just learn up on what you want to get out of where you want to live (music scene, laws, touristy spots, etc.) and you basically can get a job doing whatever. IT is generally in demand wherever you go in the US.

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No advice on where to move, but don't move to California. By far one of the worst states. If you're left of Joseph Stalin then you'd hate the politics. Everything is fucking expensive and taxed to shit. All the taxes go to nothing. We have a third of the country's homeless population. God knows how many illegal immigrants there are. If you want to live near the coast, like most of the population, then I hope you can really make money or are fine living in the ghetto. A lot of the people and culture here can be really superficial and materialistic.

I really want to love this state. We have nice touge for /o/ fags like me. It's a nice climate. There's tons of shit to go and see and do. We're doing pretty well economically, espeically from Silicon Valley. There's plenty of smaller towns and cities you'd probably like. It's just all fucked and expensive here.

I'd recommend somewhere in the Midwest. Like Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Memphis or Denver. Texas is always nice too.

You can't just move to the USA (or any other country except within the EU). They have to let you in.

Tourist visa (the stamp on your passport) strictly limits your stay and forbids working. Ditto (with minor variation) a student visa.

The only way to be allowed to immigrate and work is to have a job offer in hand BEFORE you apply, and the prospective employer has to do lots of paperwork to prove you're not stealing the job from an American

Getting a normal job is the hard part.
As the other user said, the paperwork required for an employer to hire a foreigner instead of an American means it's probably more difficult than that. But it's hard to assess.
Yeah I wasn't planning to but I didn't know it was that bad.
How is Denver? Everyone says Colorado is great.
>to have a job offer in hand BEFORE you apply, and the prospective employer has to do lots of paperwork to prove you're not stealing the job from an American
So how can a normal guy get in?
As I understand it, that "proving you're not stealing a job from an American" part means you have to be so highly qualified that they're forced to hire you. That's not my case.

Where do you live?
Just because you had a nice vacation experience here doesn't mean you'll like living here. Even though we speak English, there is still lots of cultural differences from whatever country you hail from. America does have it's fair share of issues (like every country), but the Mexicans and Brits on this site blow it out of proportion. We're going through a tough time ATM since the Democrats are still screeching, so personally I'd wait a decade before you decide to move here.

Anyways Since you like smaller towns, the Mid West is probably a good place for you. Mostly white people, pretty spacious. Still, do lots of research. Not all of America is like New York or California.

Colorado is beautiful. Great weather in the spring/summer. Denver is a pretty big city though. Loads of terrible traffic. If you want a mix of great scenery and access to the city when you want it, I would recommend Colorado Springs or Boulder. They aren't too far away from Denver

Getting all the paperwork done to move over here is going to be time consuming, but it isn't as difficult as some people in the thread think it is, at least not if you're coming from Europe. People of your qualification level account for 20% or more of all permanent visas issues. You can find instructions on how to get started on the US state department website. Just do what they ask and do it in a timely manner and you shouldn't have much trouble.

Once you get over here I would suggest several of the same places as the rest of the thread.

Texas is going to be hot for a good portion of the year, but it's economically sound and jobs shouldn't be hard to find.

Colorado it's a great place to live but you'll have fewer job options.

California is an ok place to visit. The weather is nice, but the people, the taxes, the smog (if you're anywhere near LA) and the government are awful.

If you like small towns I suggest the southeast, there are more jobs than the Midwest in your field. There suburbs outside Atalanta are ok if you don't mind the heat. North Carolina and Virginia are both good if you like being in small towns but want to be near enough to a large City that your never bored, also the weather is fairly mild and you get to experience all 4 seasons.

If you want to be further north then I suggest rural Pennsylvania, but you may have trouble finding a job in your field.

I hear Seattle is nice if you don't mind all the rain.

>eurofag
Keep in mind we don't have universal healthcare or education. So if you move here, don't get sick and don't have kids.

But when they say “bless his heart” it means “you stupid fuck’in retard”...

Good choice. You should definitely at least visit the southwest, definitely Colorado and Texas. Between the two I'd probably prefer living in Colorado due to the climate (but that's up to taste). I actually live in New Mexico but it's not something I'd recommend to you.

Listen to the other anons recommending midwest too, sounds like it might be up your alley as well. Personally I didn't care for Ohio much.

California is great to explore but too expensive and too many people for me to want to live there.

If you like the outdoors you should check out as many state parks/national parks/national monuments as you can next time you're here. One of the best things about the US is its natural beauty.

I can't help with the paperwork. All the permanent residents and naturalized citizens I know either married an American or were highly educated. Once you're here you'll have to spend a long time as a permanent resident before you're eligible for citizenship (but I know several people who did it). If you can afford it you might start out furthering your education here with a student visa.

One thing about America culturally: once you become a citizen, you're as American as someone who was born here. You'll be welcomed by almost everybody. Racial/immigrant bias exists but is less prevalent than Europe (and rarely targeted to Europeans).

> Getting a normal job is the hard part.

Is it really? I have a skillset so finding a job for me is usually just a case of picking a project I'd like to work on and checking they don't hate my attitude.

The visa has always seemed like the worst part of the process, where they can lose your papers, not really read the application or just reject it on a whim. I am from one of the hardest countries to get into in the world though.

You're supposed to have found a job before applying for the visa, since you have to be sponsored by an employer, so getting your foot in the door isn't easy.
Though if the skillset you're referring to is a PhD then it's understandable that you'd have less trouble than most people

Things are different when you’re on vacation; everything is idealistic.
Moving there, and your experience is completely different.

I dunno man. I've been to Europe several times and while it's cool and all I've never had any desire to move there.

Fuck off yurofag America is for Americans only. USA USA USA USA USA

It's a Masters but people don't care about that, they care about specific specialities while degrees are general and kind of easy.

I think getting a job is easy, but getting a job with an employer who can be bothered to do a ton of visa paperwork for you is probably harder. I forgot that part, that's the main reason for me blaming the difficulty on the visa (not that I have any interest in going to the US).

That’s my point. Actually living there changes everything, and not for the better.

Plus it costs about $10-15k in legal fees, etc.

Then why would anyone move anywhere? Should we just stay in the place we were born our entire lives?

Dont move here, what you saw was a front and a lie. I envy you and your country.

I don't recommend you move to the US. Things are not stable here and they are only going to get worse before they get better.

If you do end up doing it, don't move to Northern VA as suggested.

"A suburb of Washington D.C." my ass. NoVA has the worst traffic in the entire world, the cost of living is insane, and it's not the tech capital it once was. If you want to move to the US and work in tech, look into Austin, TX and Atlanta, GA instead. But do not move to NoVA, you will regret it.

Oh yeah, meant to mention it takes 3~4 hours to drive anywhere in NoVA that should only take 30~45 minutes elsewhere. Do not move to NoVA.

And as another user mentioned, don't move here if you're not in great health or if you want to have kids. This is not the country to live in for healthcare nor education. The current US culture and infrastructure is not sustainable, and if we don't start working on our environmental issues it's going to be a huge wasteland in the next 20 years or so.

I just recommend not moving here at all, really.

What about the diversity lottery? It's a crapshoot but if you play for several years you have a chance.

NH is a state of small towns.

t. self-hating american

Education is fine. Everybody has access to public schools. The quality does vary widely. That's why you move to an area with good public schools or send your kids to a charter school instead, or homeschool.

The health care situation sucks for wage slaves. If you're in tech then you have the ability to find a job that provides reasonable healthcare.

The economy is better than Europe in general, especially if you have skills that are in demand.

America does have faults. It's possible to acknowledge them without making up stories about the country being an apocalyptic hellhole. Obviously OP needs to do his research, come up with a feasible plan, and not expect the USA to be a fairy wonderland. But on the whole it's a great place to live.

My naturalized friends are mostly middle-aged Europeans who like the opportunities America provides. My friends who hate the US are mostly young, haven't lived anywhere else, and (in my opinion) want everything handed to them on a platter. They can't imagine that anyone in the US has had a less sucky experience than they have.

You're right about one thing: don't move to North Virginia.

Interested bump from a newcomer

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>drawbacks to the south
The heat, primarily. Higher crime and more blacks, depending on specifically where you are.

The pros make it worth it, though. Arguably the best food in the country, generally nice people everywhere. Beautiful forests, lots of history, lots of spots to take day trips to.

No, but basing his move on one vacation vs actually moving here are two different things.

Maybe if he visits again, but stays longer he may find it’s not what he thinks it’s going to be... that takes less effort then selling off/packing up everything and moving here. I can’t tell you how many hundreds of people move here to Hawaii based on a single vacation. Then two months in are bitching and moaning about how much it sucks... just all the little things they didn’t see because they were all starry-eyed on vacation.

>you have a chance
lol

‘Merica! Get in here!

It's not free you fucking bozo, we pay shit tons of tax for healthcare.

Consider Iowa, Montana, Melbourne Florida, or Connecticut

I have the opposite question. How do I move to Europe? Can I trade identities with OP? I want the socialism desu I'm tired of the jewish capitalism infesting this shithole. I have a bachelor's degree but I'm not trying to work, I want a monthly stipend so I don't have to slave around like some wage cuck

I'm with op. I really want to try it out even if just for a few years, but I don't see myself getting through all that paperwork. I'm also an IT guy/developer from EU.

Marry me user, then I can move to the US and you can go to to my commie shithole

The paperwork is fine, the issue is how much it costs, assuming you're not a richfag.

What was said here - - about the US is true of every other country

Asl?

How different is the American lifestyle from the European one in general?

You got a bachelors degree, so you know how to research and publish papers right? yet you can't find the visa docs? I mean you aren't capable of navigating any bureaucracy, but then how did you get the degree.

The default is not having to ask the government for permission for every little thing (although the politicians are trying). So you can own a gun, homeschool, etc.

Rural, spacious. Everybody owns a car except in places like NYC. This combined with an abundance of processed food and fast food leads to a lot of fatties.

It's a big country. Like, just huge. So if you don't like one place you can move to another place that's totally different. States can differ in culture and especially in governance due to federalism.

Evangelicals are fairly common especially away from the coasts. Pretty different from the stodgy old religion you see in Europe, when you see religion in Europe at all.

Best way to see the differences is to visit America a few times, preferably different places.

LOL. There are nice places geographically close to Northern Virginia but the area is so overpopulated and congested that commute times are awful. And the places with jobs in Northern Virginia are not very pleasant to live in and somehow absurdly expensive.

Oh, I forgot. Restaurants give you water for free.

>Quality of life in America is pretty good in most places

Pretty much every western EU countries even outrank the best places in the US in terms of quality of life

>outrank it in happiness
>outrank it in healthcare
>outrank it in infrastructure
>outrank it in leisure time

etc etc

Sure, if you're a minimum wage fast food worker. I make $100k, pay under $100/mo for great health insurance and a free walk-in clinic, and get 5 weeks vacation plus every other Friday off, at age 26. But I actually worked my ass off in college instead of dicking around.

I got that but I didn't really work for it. The 5-7 weeks vacation is from the minimum paid vacation they are required to give all employees. The salary was just a bit of luck (and maybe around average for the position). The free clinics are just expected. And I'm 25.

I'm you with more alcohol and cheese.

You pay more in taxes and can't own guns. I'm jealous of the cheese though.

You could do what I did

>Came to US with visitor visa
>Bought fake SSN and ID
>Work as a waiter
>Earn enough to pay bills and party
>Have tons of free time to read, draw, other dumb hobbies, etc.

I can't travel outside the country but I can travel all over the US. Also I can't vote, or get benefits from the government even though I am paying taxes. And at any point if I get into trouble with the law, which so far I haven't, I could be deported. Lol but I'm having a great time man.

Where do you work?

I'm a waiter, so at a restaurant. In Texas.

I live in one of the EU countries with the best quality of life and it's fucking shit, I hate this place with every fiber of my being. The people are assholes, the government holds your fucking hand all the time for everything, you get fucked in the ass by taxes, there are no guns yet criminality is at an all-time high, and the landscapes are mostly ugly.
But sure, if I get a tummy ache I get my money back. Such a good deal huh?

Join our army
Serve in something easy, like an IT worker for the marines
Retire in 20 years with a pension from uncle Sam and a nice shiny new passport

Fuck the liberals ITT, they hate our culture as much as the liberals in your country hate your culture

Welcome to the greatest country in the world

Don’t forget to pick up your complimentary gun on the way in

niggers, right?

Can't join the US mil as a foreigner if you're not a linguist (in Farsi/Arabic/some sand language) or a physician.

That's true in Europe as well they just give you shitty tap water

I have (or rather had) that same dream ever since I got to spend a year abroad in the US during High school.

I won't read through all of the thread now, but will just tell you the conclusions I have reached after a long time of research and conversations on and offline with people either involved in immigration law or people that made it through the process themselves.

>From what I understand I'd need an H1-B but they seem very difficult to obtain

That would be one of four pathways to immigration.

Would require you to at least hold a proper bachelors degree in something that is in demand (IT is usually the safest bet) - and even if you find a company willing to go through the expensive process of sponsoring you for one there is only a 1/3 chance of you actually getting a visa... fun hu?

Then there are Inter-Company transfer visas.

You would get a job (a fancy, highranking one) with a big international company (google, facebook etc.) in your home country (or anywhere in Europe) and after working for them for two years you can request a transfer to the US.
These are not capped, so there is no lottery involved in this route. But landing a job like this is incredibly competitive, so good luck with that.

Also what is important with these two is that you'd likely end up in a big city somewhere on the coasts. That is simply where these jobs are and if you are looking for a more rural experience you won't find it this way.

Then there is marriage.
Very easy way in - if you can find a nice American citizen to marry that is.

And then there is the greencard lottery.

You sign up for it and if you get lucky (1-5% winning chance for most Euro countries) you will be awarded a work visa that is not linked to any requirements. You can just move to the US, work there and then naturalize eventually.
I have been playing the lottery for four years now without success.

I will stay in the thread for a while now, so ask away if you've got any questions.

To expand on this:

You can increase your chances at the h1-B lottery by completing a masters degree in the US.
If you are a masters student and a company wants to sponsor you for an H1-B, there is no cap on the number of visas granted this way.

So basically the only viable way for a normal dude with no fancy degrees is the lottery.
Unless arranged marriages where you divorce after X amount of time are a thing but I doubt it.

For the DW lottery you just have to fill out your info on their website and that's it right? Right now it's closed, do you know when the next one is?
Is the process as difficult, long and expensive as normal visas with all the legal fees and shit?

>I'd actually be completely willing to do something that isn't related to my field, but I'm not sure if that would be possible since I doubt small businesses sponsor visas.

They do not - not because they don't necessarily want to but rather because sponsorship for a work visa requires you to hold a degree (or vast experience) in the field.

>For the DW lottery you just have to fill out your info on their website and that's it right?

That is it.
Make sure that the picture you send them lines up with all the regulations (you can print out the rules and just take that to your local photographer, they usually know what to do).

The 2020 Diversity Visa lottery has not yet been announced as far as I know - and there has been rumors that Trump would cut the program all together.
If he doesn't the sign up period should be somewhere between Q3 and Q4 of 2018.

>Is the process as difficult, long and expensive as normal visas with all the legal fees and shit?

There is no fees attached to the visa, you just need to make a few trips to your closest US Embassy before receiving it.

Watch WWE wrestling on a big screen tv with a big couch, strawberry pop and a slab of bbq ribs and you’ll pretty much get it.

Bullshit. Old German friend illegally immigrated, overstayed visa, started buying hearses, limousines, etc. Built up a limo business. Gets deported ever once in a while, sneaks back in. Lives in the US, rich, now married to USA girl. Probably now legal.

Sounds really easy, what's the catch? I guess the 1%-5% acceptance rate?
You're positive that if I don't have a good degree or high ranking position, there's absolutely no other way to get a visa than the lottery or marriage? I'm excluding the refugee and clergy visas or whatever they're called

>just immigrate illegally and hope you don't get deported, and if you do, hope that you'll be able to re-enter the territory despite having overstayed a tourist visa which is likely to lead to you being told to fuck off at the airport
>once you've done that, get rich and you should be good
Huh.

>I guess the 1%-5% acceptance rate?

That's it yeah - that is really nothing that you can bank on when making life plans sadly.

>You're positive that if I don't have a good degree or high ranking position, there's absolutely no other way to get a visa than the lottery or marriage?

That is the case with most (western) countries to be fair, but yes thats what the situation looks like.
You can make up for a lack of degree through work experience (four years of relevant work experience per year of education) however most employers will be hesitant in those cases.

Well damn, guess I'll have to settle for that lottery then, and hope it doesn't get abolished.
Going to Vegas and marrying a stripper, then divorcing once I get the green card probably wouldn't work as well as I imagine, would it?

>Going to Vegas and marrying a stripper, then divorcing once I get the green card probably wouldn't work as well as I imagine, would it?

Eh that depends entirely on the officer that checks if your relationship is legitimate or not.

Come to Maine. South Portland is a nice city/town.

Shit, a stripper won't cut it then

You'd love Wisconsin. Assuming you're OP and you are skilled with software, you could try to land a gig at Epic software near Madison. Has all the amenities of a city but with far less people. And if ~200,000 people is still too much, drive 15-20 minutes out of town and you'll be in small-town middle-america Trump country.
I only lived there for a handful of years but it's really nice, low-key and especially safe place to live.

>Unless arranged marriages where you divorce after X amount of time are a thing
That's a good way to get hit with a felony

Just agree to take it up the butt from an amerimutt incel periodically. With the amount of sex people are not having here, people would be quite happy

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