God is omnipotent

oh look it's the retarded pole back with his peasant food

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The bible was written, translated, rewritten, censored, and translated again over and over by men. This is a point you atheists keep bringing up.
So maybe there's some stuff in there that is wrong while the overwhelming majority is still correct.

POLACK GETTIN IFFY, UH
AUSSIE GOTTA STIFFY, UH
PHONE GETTING STICKY, UH
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God cannot do what is contrary to His Nature.
Omnipotent does not mean can do what is impossible. This is a simplistic, fedora-tier understanding of it.

>God cannot do what is contrary to His Nature
I am omnipotent. I can't do anything that isn't in my nature.

If I can do something and god can't, he isn't omnipotent.

Hebrew version states the same thing broski.

But could god make a grill cheese sandwich so hot even he couldn't eat it?

So you admit you read hebrew?

Doesn't work like that. Don't be a literal brainlet.

And from those who say We are Christians, We took their covenant, but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.

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How does it work? Define omnipotence.

Can do all things possible.
God being not-God is not possible.

if you continue to argue about a hypothetical all powerful being, while simultaneously claiming that somehow his all-powerfulness is irrelevant because of some logical fallacies, you've kind of painted yourself into a corner

he either exists or he doesn't, those logical fallacies (in your mind) have no impact on his existence or non-existence

which means that the entire line of reasoning is exposed for what it is, open defiance of God, with no attempt to find the truth, or examine what you already know

According to the bible he can't lie.
Lying is possible.
Also you just assumed that god exists without evidence.

Category mistake.

>he either exists or he doesn't, those logical fallacies (in your mind) have no impact on his existence or non-existence

They do have impact. If you study them hard enough you will discover that the definition of the word "god" bares no meaning. "god" is an empty word and that's it.

Logical impossibilities are where language hits a brick wall. It doesn’t make any sense to say whether God can square a circle. The language-game is run out.

you seem like a completely legit person
but you missed the part where I said that an attempt to learn anything new is absent from your reasoning, in fact you're not even making an attempt to formulate a better or more complete refutation of God's existence
your problem is laziness

Babbys first thought about theology.
Please go and read some Aquinas.
Next time you waste space with your toddler philosophy at least acknowledge that the old theologians tower above your midget intellect and you were just too lazy to do your own research.

God can tell lies, it is just completely against His nature to do so, and thus does not.

youtube.com/watch?v=TOHQVSpwEH8

Look for the meaning of the word in it’s use you absolute faggot. Or, don’t. Because not everyone has the capability to explore this type of problem. You’d have been better off a hundred years ago, believing what your Polish peasant retard parents had believed because their Polish peasant parents had believed it.

So he isn't perfect?
Not god.
If god is perfect he has no free will. He must do the best thing every time.

Come on bitch, define "god".

god is truth, how else would you explain the failures of USA and Europe. They were crushed by the will of Allah.

In order to be unable to lie the creator must first create ability to lie. Think of it this way, darkness is not it’s own entity but a lack of light and lies are not it’s own thing but a lack of truth, I.e. god is not lacking

Language describes experience.It describes things that are possible. If god can't be described using language he doesn't exist. Using language to describe impossible things is gibberish and a lie.

So? He can't lie but his creations can. He is inferior to his creation. He ain't no god.

What? God can do these things, He just chooses not to. God is not bound by anything; the only restraints are a result of His perfect nature, and are voluntary on His part.

Allah is a mouse

Words are not truth. Numbers are truth. God is in the numbers and the numbers don’t lie!

>God is not bound by anything
You said he is bound by logic.

I did not

His nature can't be perfect as he changed his mind and fucked his own shit up multiple times in the Bible, also his creation is imperfect as fuck.

Language does much more than describe experience.

>if God can’t be described using language he doesn’t exist

No one says God can’t be described using language.

>using language to describe impossible things is gibberish

I agree. You admit you’re wrong then, yes?

Remember, you’ve agreed at this point that

>squaring a circle

is nonsensical.

Your argument of “can god make something so heavy even he can’t lift it” can be boiled down to ‘why can’t he be worthless,’ e.g. if he can be anything or everything why can’t he be nothing

>No one says God can’t be described using language.
Define god.

Changes His mind as His plan unfolds. I agree that His creation is imperfect, absolutely - that's the price of being given free will I guess.

Pi and prime numbers.

>god can’t be not god
BTFO

For the sake of argument, I suppose.

Omnipotent, omniscient, all loving being.

>The bible says A about god
>Somehow you know better what god is like

>You admit you’re wrong then, yes?
I can agree that the wore "god" has no meaning. You can put any subjective meaning into it and it will still be fine. 0 informational content.

We can't have free will if he is omniscient.

>create humans and see that his creation is perfect
>kill them in the flood because reasons

You fool. Under the Christian doctrine God's word alone creates and destroys. Whatever He says becomes. He therefore cannot lie since even a lie would thereby become truth.

If you believe that shit.

If you equate the word "god" with "numbers" then why not just use "numbers"? The word "god" still means nothing. You just used another meaning and put it into the empty word "god".

If God knows what we are going to do, it does not necessarily mean that He predestined it to occur. And He never said His creation was perfect, only 'very good'.

>omnipotent
can't lie and defy logic
>omniscient
we have no free will
>love
He has no physical brain

> a lie would thereby become truth.
God can't say that he isn't omnipotent or that he doesn't exist.

If he knows the future (omniscience) there is only one possible future that will happen. Either he isn't omniscient or we have no free will.

>god says he cannot tell lies
>he lied

Lies are absent of truth. Darkness is absent of light. Death is absent of life. In order for any of these, and other examples to exist, they must be measured against absence.
If light was a constant and 4 dimensional it would not exist, same with truth and lies.

Your argument is literally “if exists, why doesn’t he? Gotcha”

If he lied in the Bible then we have no proof that he exists. None, nada.

Believing isn't about proofs.

The only logical conclusion is that he doesn't. There is no dichotomy. A lie is stating contrary to reality while posessing knowledge about the correct state of reality.

If it was about proofs there would be no religious people.

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He knows all possible futures, and knows the result of each. Each possible future is a result of human free will.

Are you literally retarded?

By the very definition, God has authority over all creation. He cannot lie, because everything he decrees automatically becomes the truth. If the god would tell "grass is blue" the grass WOULD FUCKING TURN BLUE and the rest of the reality would adjust itself to the precedense - physics, biology, everything.

Believing without proof is a sign of mental illness. If you accept anything without proof you must accept that anything is possible. You no longer can discover truth as both true and false are equally possible without proofs.

>contrary
So in order to lie one must know the truth first? I agree buddy

Prove it

If he is omniscient he also knows which possible future will happen in the end.

Can god say "I'm not omnipotent"?
If he can't lie he isn't omnipotent in the first place. He can't do something that humans can.

I agree

Omnipotent does only not mean the ability to do anything (no matter how ridiculous), it also means to be more powerful than the sum of all other powers combined.

If he knows the true future then we have no free will as there is only one possible future that will happen in the end and god already knows it.

So he isn't omnipotent. He is just very powerful.

Omnipotent doesn’t mean lying as well. You must be deliberately obtuse

There is no such thing as lie
It's made up premise
we face same issues today where they made up words such as Republic of Kosovo ie

He knows all possible futures, which are all results of our free will

Seems to be a lot of things he can't do that we can and still be considered "omnipotent".

>Rules that apply to physical reality apply to God.

Dude, just stop. At this point you are embarrasing yourself.

That's as retarded as asking if Chuck Norris can kick his own ass.

He knows the correct one or he doesn't know everything.

You are embarassing yourself by telling me to believe in something that defies logic without proofs.

This can be argued whether god exists or not

Two different meanings, one word. It could also be that your understanding of 'omnipotence' is flawed...

He knows the resultant one, and all other scenarios.

He know the true one and all other that are possible but irrelevant. Judas was forced to betray Jesus.

What is your definition?

>truth
You mean true statements. "Truth" is an hypostatic reification fallacy.

>can’t lie and defy logic

Brainlet category mistake, if it can even be called that.

>omniscient/we have no free will

How’s that? What do you mean by free will?

>has no physical brain

Based troll

You’re arguing calvinism?

Now you’re just being a jerk.

>by telling me to believe in something that defies logic without proofs.

Have you read the sticky you faggot?
>yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
>yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
>yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

Primo: I never told you to believe anything.
Secundo: I do not need to prove you anything. You started the topic to negate the existance of God, I just pointed out the fallacy of your "argument".
Tertio: God by the very definition is not limited by ANYTHING. Even giving him a name limit's his existance and therefore what we call "God" is basically a mirage of he's true potential. Things like law Cause-and-effect, logic, probability or any kind of laws DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. He is above the system, not a part of it.

Seriously dude, I'm not even a christian or a believer for that matter, but your arguments are fucking retarded.

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>How’s that? What do you mean by free will?
If he knows the one future that will happen then the Universe is determined and thus our choices. He already knew who will go to hell when he created humans.

My mom lets me do whatever I want

God made it so he can't lie. Get over it. The rest is hypothetical drivel.

was meant for:
obviously.

>God can’t be evil, therefore he is not omnipresent
>Can God create a boulder heavy enough he can’t lift it?
Omnipotence is a faulty concept in itself. You cannot answer this kind questions not because they are complicated, but because they are simply stupid.