It's mainstream now:
grist.org
The study in question: science.sciencemag.org
Wadhams, Shakhova et al, Beckwith, Mcpherson, and Scott still not mainstream.
If Ted Kaczynski had known in the 70s and 80s what we know now, he wouldn't have bothered with the bombs; industrial civilization would destroy itself on it's own.
I wonder if there's any way for him to know this from his cell?
Other urls found in this thread:
sciencedirect.com
sciencedirect.com
nature.com
youtube.com
bristolpost.co.uk
amazon.com
pnas.org
twitter.com
read anti tech revolution, ted talks about industrial civilisation destroying the planet and transition to a post human form
ted cares about nature as well, we have no right to destroy it
Indeed, destroying nature makes man even more dependent on technology. Damn, it's almost as if technology is a lifeform itself and destroying it's competition.
>Wadhams, Shakhova et al, Beckwith, Mcpherson, and Scott
Bunch of pseudoscientists and catastrophists. The study leaves out the fact that the Siberian Traps eruption is theorized to have taken place over hundreds of thousands of years, and directly raised ocean temperatures through thermal transfer via underwater crustal rifts (the supervolcano was underwater).
It would be the equivalent of 10 submarine yellowstones.
pretty much man, it's a self-prop system just like any other
download anti-tech revolution and read it, or better order it from the publisher associated with ted
John Malthus was a faggot, Svante Arhennius was just wrong, and Al Gore is a turbo nigger. And so are all of you.
Catastrophism has always been a source of great contention amongst the scientific community. During the 18th and 19th centuries it was heresy to even suggest it... Flying in the face of common sense, geologists even suggested the famous crater in arizona was the result of some form of volcanic activity and NOT interstellar impact... anything to avoid the notion that at any given time, nature can and will eventually deal a hammer blow that annihilates . FEAR was the driving irrational force that kept people from acknowledging the truth that was staring them in the face.
We've spoken before: I recognize your arguments. The article that I linked you is quite clear that greenhouse gas emissions were responsible for the warming, and you should know, furthermore, that although those eruptions have us beat in terms of TOTAL volume of ejecta, the RATE at which we are releasing greenhouse gases exceeds even the most collosal (continental. Where are you getting this idea that the traps were underwater?) volcanic eruption in earth's history.
And ALL of the men and women I quoted are published and legitimate experts in their field. For you to dismiss them off-hand as psuedoscientific is untrue.
Yes, I remember you now. I was the one who brought all of this to your attention weeks ago.
GG it was a nice run. I just hope that I will die before shit really hits the fan. I'd say going from stone tools to nuclear age in 200k years was pretty good, but it's not like I have anything to compare it to.
I wonder how angry our ancestors are at us. I guess we all will see it soon
So THIS is the extent of your pride? You disgrace the memory of your ancestors by capitulating before the struggle has even begun in earnest.
I have been studying the P-t extinction and the organisms that survived. They migrated to the northernmost and southernmost latitudes. In those days, all of the landmasses were conjoined to form Pangea, and the area that is now Antarctica was open ocean; life did not extend that far.
If the earth experiences another 6C in global average temperature rise as it did 252 million years ago, Antarctica will thaw entirely, and it's land will likely be as warm a equatorial deserts are today. Currently, Antarctica is up for grabs - claims have been made, but none are recognized universally. We can transplant plants and animals adapted to arid biomes currently alive today in the American Southwest, Gobi, Sahara, and Karoo deserts, and scratch out a desperate and post-apocalyptic living in these new societies.
Yea, but you understand that humans can't migrate that easily. Unlike other species, we do not adapt to our environment, but rather shape the environment to fit our needs. See agriculture, infrastructure, electricity grids etc. And at our current point in history, we are the most dependent on these things, and on our technologies. It would've been easier for humans of old, but we are different. We have degraded. Most people are unable to live without the modern comforts, which would be necessary for migrating. If I may say so, than this is actually one aspect in which 3rd worlders surpass the modern white man. And that is that their bodies have not fallen decadent due to good quality of life, and that they still have some basic understanding of how to survive with next to nothing
Shaping the environment to fit our needs is a form of adaptation. As far as I'm concerned, the most potent form of adaptation there is.
Look, in less than a century everything for thousands of kilometers north and south of the equator is going to be a dead zone. The oceans are going to be anoxic and PINK with hydrogen sulfide... the sky might turn green... things are going to evolve too rapidly for any species to adapt on it's own.
But if we take the hardiest, toughest desert species that we have and transplant them in the new land that will emerge in Antarctica... We have a fighting chance.
Stop doing drugs.
It wouldn't be that easy to say that since during the end-Permian event, the globe warmed by several degrees and therefore modern Earth will experience once a comparable warming is achieved.
There is an intense search to find paleo-analogues to the present-day and oceanic anoxic events (like the end-Permian) are indeed the most popular candidates - however there are distinct differences between several events.
For example, the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum had a similar rapid warming (multiple degrees) as the end-Permian but was only associated with rather limited extinction. It's a major question in the study of Earth history why similar events elicit different responses.
In this case the answer may lie in a secular change of ocean geochemistry (specifically the Mg/Ca ratio). The fact that the ocean Mg/Ca today is almost identical to Permian Mg/Ca would mean that the modern response is likely to be more similar to the massive end-Permian extinction of calcifying organisms. However in other ways, the Permian was very much unlike today. For example, it has a very unique paleogeography and likely lacked a pelagic marine carbon pump.
I think the answer may well be that the Anthropocene will not resemble any interval in Earth history. Instead it will be an event that is unlike anything every observed before and will reset the long-term trajectory of the Earth system.
we are basically dead
dont have kids
>inb4 kike
... if it isn't completely annihilated. This is not proof of anything, but the United States has plans in the very near future to begin decommissioning nuclear power plants. I suspect they are aware. Pic related.
You are quite right that what will happen in the future won't be a direct repeat of what already occurred for the reasons you mentioned, but it's helpful I think to study it's closest analog, and develop plans for survival based on historic precedent.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the P-E thermal maximum didn't even begin to approach the concentrations of carbon in the atmosphere seen at the end of the Permian.
I am counting on the fact that the continents are split and landmasses extend further north and south. IF the nuclear power plants are successfully decommissioned before the collapse of civilization, and ionizing radiation doesn't strip away our planet's atmosphere, I think dystopian post-apocalyptic life would be possible in regions which are today encased entirely in ice. What do you think?
Also, what do you think about my idea of manually transplanting species currently occupying harsh desert environments, once those areas become suitable for their survival?
Sorghum, for example, is known to be an extremely robust and nutritious cereal capable of being grown in harsh, arid environments. Camels, Llamas, and reptiles in particular seem well equipped to endure such landscapes.
Guy Mcpherson seems convinced that all life on earth is doomed. That degree of resignation seems illogical to me. I think he's right that this cannot be PREVENTED... but I do think it can be SURVIVED.
no imperial evidence, no consistent explanations, no information about the sponsor of the study
>but I do think it can be SURVIVED.
Survived for what? So shitskins can thrive in the ruins of the west? People who honestly believe the most dire doom and gloom predictions about climate change are just leftist equivalents to anons that think all is lost because of demographic threads. Neither groups is all that interested in surviving the future they see before them.
It is thought that the background CO2 at the terminal Paleocene was less than 1000ppm, which then roughly doubled to between 1000 and 2000ppm during the PETM.
For the end-Permian, background CO2 is even more uncertain given that it is much more distant to us, but the few available proxies indicate a pre-event CO2 of less than 2000ppm and peak-event values of more than 4000ppm.
A recent review can be found here sciencedirect.com
I see some really absurd statements mixed into your posts like "ionizing radiation stripping away the atmosphere" or "the sky might turn green". I suggest you should stick to what is documented in the scientific literature instead of taking the word of Guy McPherson.
> Humans do not adapt to our environment.
Wow European education really has fallen a long way
Fuck the Permian and fuck the global warmings. I'm gonna survive.
Are you listening to what I'm saying? All of that is finished. There won't be a 'ruins of the west' to live in. The fossil record only shows signs of life in the northernmost and southernmost latitudes of the globe.
I think what you meant to say was "empirical." Don't worry; I've got your back.
Although the mainstream media is just now starting to catch on to the correlations, I've been interested in this subject for some time and have compiled data and sources of information.
"Methane Hydrate: Killer cause of Earth's greatest mass extinction"
sciencedirect.com
Study lays out the most likely cause of the P-t extinction event. Methane.
"Current rates and mechanisms of subsea permafrost degradation in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf"
nature.com
Study documenting the RELEASE of said methane happening at this very moment from the permafrost.
Now here's a link to an independent methane watchdog using satellite data to track atmospheric concentrations of the gas in the atmosphere. This was released hours ago.
youtube.com
The image I've included with this post is one of the comments made by a user in Britain describing a mysterious smell of rotten eggs. I did a google search, and apparently this has been a problem reported in Bristol for the better part of a year. The cause and source is currently unknown, but given the concentrations of gas over Britain currently, I suspect it's methane!
So you have the clouds, the wind, AND the water, and you're telling me there won't be rain?
The flood is here. It's happening.
>I wonder if there's any way for him to know this from his cell?
You wont believe me, but I'll tell him this in our next letter
you just exposed your gmail address to all of 4 chan you idiot.
amazon.com
It's been hypothesized that due to significant changes in the chemical composition of the atmosphere, the sky may have appeared green.
As for ionizing radiation stripping away the atmosphere... Yeah, I took that from Guy.
damn, we won't even survive until 2030
> He doesnt wants to dig into the earth of his native land and life entirely subterrean
I shiggy diggy
As I say: You should stick to things that have support in the respected journal literature. Books that are aimed at a general non-specialist audience usually contain some fanciful speculation that is meant to capture interest but doesn't necessarily have a lot of scientific value.
There is certainly plenty of material for anyone who is willing to look. For example, you might be interested in this relatively recent article
pnas.org
>shiggy
The memes that were generated here are partially responsible for the election of the POTUS. We wield real political power. "Climate Change TM" is a leftist trojan horse used to push a broader marxist agenda, but climate catastrophe is actually already underway.
>"climate change triggered by volcanic greenhouse gases"
I'm sure higher emissions taxes will stop those evil volcanos
You're right, and I do generally... but I consider Peter Ward to be an authority and his word generally reliable. Nobody who I've quoted or cited is lacking in certifiable credentials. Even Mcpherson. So what if I use green skies and pink oceans to get people to visualize what the earth MIGHT actually look like if these feedbacks kick in? That helps them understand how toxic the environment was, and the scope and magnitude of this tragedy.
All that being said, I definitely appreciate these links that you're sending me. Adding them to my collection as we speak.
what would you say how much do we have left?
Tbh unrelated to the climate controversity im kinda upset governments dont prep more in general.
Arcology experiments and testing sites for living under extreme conditions should be more numerous in the world.
Genetic engineering (of lifestock and plants more so then humans), indoor farming and the likr should open some doors to life down deep.
At least we could applie what we thought of about inhabiting mars to earth.
>Study ties "Great Dying" to current Climate Crisis
Fucking dinosaurs and their fossil fuels I'll bet.
THEY DIDN'T SWITCH TO RENEWABLE ENERGY AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM!
First of all, I want to make it very clear that I am not an expert and in no position to make any predictions about the future whatsoever.
That being said, in your lifetime you will see the world on fire. I strongly suggest you begin preparing and spreading the word. We should TAKE this issue from the left and make it our own.
I absolutely agree with everything you said, and I would add to that that this crisis presents us with an opportunity to do just that. In my optimistic mind, this is where we learn industrial scale geoengineering and the creation of artificial environments suitable for life on other planets... because very soon, for all intents and purposes, we will soon be LIVING on a different planet.
after seeing your video about the methane emission I have no hope left for humanity, when I first read about it I thought it's a much slower event but fuck, I doubt we will even live to 2050
probably gonna end myself before I burn alive
probably the reason why we don't hear anything about it because scientists just gave up, the elite will survive underground in their doomsday bunkers....good for them
The stockpiling of ammunition by law enforcement... the strange, heavily guarded underground facilities... the retirement of nuclear power plants...
Let's say for instance, that the Government had advanced warning of an impending asteroid impact that would wipe out life on earth? Would they spread that information? I doubt it.
But as for your suicidal reaction... I don't understand that one bit. The show is just starting to get good and you want to exit stage right? It's time to get busy!
This doesn't depress me, in fact, it's the opposite; it excites me.
we need about 4 billion people to fucking die, so i'm down with this
>Please let the trees and frogs live in peace
Nigger I don't give a fuck, they can have Earth once we finish developing the technology to turn us into immortal augmented cyborgs with the ability to spit acid and punch through walls and regrow limbs at will.
Hell, if we reach that point we can start spreading them on other planets for the fun of it.
Transhumanism is the only acceptable status of our species.
Meme it. The more brutal and shocking the better. Let's say the media picks it up, what are they going to say? "Alt right hate group celebrates climate change related death and destruction?"
That serves my purposes perfectly. It draws attention to the situation in a way that will shock and frighten people out of their complacency.
cyborg pepe in a post-apocalyptic desert landscape buzzsawing through wojaks and roasting them on a spit
I would be ok with an innawoods lifestyle and I planned to do it once I have enough funds to totally get away from modern life
But slowly dying in my basement eating mres because going out would kill me is absolutely not for me
Maybe some geoengineering shit can save us, since methane only lasts 12 years in the atmosphere
All I'm saying is, don't miss out on the show. Keep a piece handy in case it gets to be too much, but don't go out before shit really hits the fan. How people respond to this is going to be beyond epic.
Mankind will figure out a technological solution like it always does
>>/sci/10194307
Shut up with this nonsense
Same dumb shit as a clickbait article telling us a month ago there is a 6 trillion km large astroid heading for earth.
You globalist cocksucking retards with your fear mongering and you commie kike chink rat fucks need to be exterminated once and for all.
See you are a fan of margos healing corner. So you check out humpty dumpty tribe? Black bear news?
Oh Diablo Canyon 2, why can't you be more like Diablo Canyon 1?
Cope harder faggot. You are watching the world's greatest geo engineering experiment right in front of your eyes.
Don't push your make belief bs on me you retarded cocksucker