What are some workarounds to avoid paying minimum wage, Jow Forums?

>make minimum, its over 50% of your household

this is the problem. Broke as niggers will keep collecting welfare checks even if minimum wage is raised. Plus they spent it on drugs anyway

>But honestly if you are 36 years old >working min wage you have issues.
Yeah, mental issues

Ftfy

If you want better wages quit taxing the people to give illegals and assholes welfare so you can raise the taxes so more people go on welfare to tax the people and to have the process start a over again.

>wanna find a way to pay less than minimum wage to anybody I hire.
Stop having a business then?

This cut out taxes and you now have more money per check.
Seriously you should just stop being a businessman as you cant afford to pay your workers.

end regulations, implement tarriffs, and cut gibs so the cost of living is lowered. Bonus points if you can break up
most unions.

If their labor isn't worth paying minimum wage for it isn't worth paying minimum wage for. You have to give them enough responsibilities such that their time is actually worth what you're paying them for it. If they aren't valuable enough to you you must fire them. This is how minimum wage prices people out of a job.

Minimum wage is some shit to make people feel good but all it does it put people on welfare.

raising the minimum wage will only raise the cost of living at disproportionate rate. Causing more people to struggle and turn to handouts.

>40 yr old at mcds
Theyve had 40 full years to unfuck their career

Switch your employees over to contractors, 1099-misc. You shift the burden of taxes to them, and absolve yourself of medical req. You have to meet a few rules so they can't sue to be considered emp. Again (aka Uber) but just restructure you compensation plan. In theory you would likely pay them more through a profit sharing, direct contribution concept as a contracted employee, but what will LIKELY happen is lazy uninspired employees will shit on your plan, refuse to work hard for their own betterment, un-ironically insult you while depending on the engine of progress you made, and get paid less :D
You are a fag, please see above for the reason people deserve less than min wage all the time. I owe no one a job.

A single unlucky event (health, accident, many things to pick from) can fuck you up for a really long time and depending on your qualification, a career path that would've been viable if you are still in your fresh years suddenly becomes very tough. On the other hand, higher wage for these people would require less actions from governments to support them.

>36
>minimum wage
Fuck these dumb poorfags

>A single unlucky event (health, accident, many things to pick from
I'm willing to bet these situations comprise a small fraction of all of them

>What are some workarounds to avoid paying minimum wage
Never hire anyone else, do all the work yourself is the primary way to avoid paying minimum wage. Plus you know the job gets done right. I ran a consulting firm for a few years. I paid service techs $20 and hour but I billed $120 per hour to my client corporations. Only the Indians (from India) complained about the difference and I actually had to enforce the NDA against 2 of them in court.

the problem is that we regulate the fuck out of businesses already and have it where people on gibs can earn more than someone working at minimum wage. We need to cut gibs and start protecting our domestic interests to help out the lower class.

>Yeah, mental issues
so you honestly think that an average idiot with an IQ of 85 should be able to better themselves above a minimum wage job?
up until 1992 they were considered mentally retarded and would be sent to special schools so they could learn to live independently and learn a skill/trade
now, they graduate from public high schools, unable to read, write, or do even basic math
the minimum wage was set for many reasons, but because it wasn't tied to inflation it has become nothing more than a slave wage...allows one to continue to exist, but never get ahead....

This.
Here in this shitty 3rd world country where most minimum wage workers are contractual (kicked out of their jobs before they get the benefits of being a full-time worker), many of them adapt by retailing whatever they could find just to make a living. They may not be able to stop outside forces from fucking up their careers, but they find ways to keep themselves from fucking up their lives.

OP is a kike.

>the problem is that we regulate the fuck out of businesses already and have it where people on gibs can earn more than someone working at minimum wage. We need to cut gibs and start protecting our domestic interests to help out the lower class.
I want boomers to leave Jow Forums!

They dont understand usury.

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what happens, is when single mothers kids leave home their gibs dry up and they have to enter the workforce. Most of them go to school for "social work" because after working in the field for 10 years their student loan debt is forgiven. but a lot of them end up at fast food and walmart. I wouldn't feel too bad for these people they lived their entire life on the gib and now have 3 or 4 kids shitting out kids indiscriminately and living the gib lifestyle.

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>Because it doesn’t work. In the short term it leads to higher unemployment for unskilled workers and in the long term it creates inflation.
I want boomers to leave Jow Forums!

They dont understand usury or how inflation works by printing money because money is 100% debt, loaned debt notes!

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>shift the burden of taxes to them
>absolve yourself of medical req.
>but what will LIKELY happen is lazy uninspired employees will shit on your plan, refuse to work hard for their own betterment
I want boomers to leave Jow Forums!

They dont understand usury or how inflation works by printing money because money is 100% debt, loaned debt notes!
They don't understand that taxation is just burning debt so they can print more, because they can print as much as they want.

>what happens, is when single mothers kids leave home their gibs dry up and they have to enter the workforce. Most of them go to school for "social work" because after working in the field for 10 years their student loan debt is forgiven. but a lot of them end up at fast food and walmart.
Anothe retarded boomer who doesn't know that social work employees are in extremely high demand. Boomers don't know the economic landscape past Bill Clinton.

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You have autism

>McDonald's careers
When will this meme die? It's nothing fucking like career. It's a company, and quitting it is a bitch. I went through hell quitting it, twice. I stayed away for 2 years, and somehow I just wound up back on it again. Like, I just got this nagging sensation after 2 years off of it, and had a weak moment and BAM, I was back to working constantly.
Some people can handle it at healthy wages. Many of us cannot. It's not a question of being weak or being responsible with money. It's a slow process where the mcd feeling becomes your new normal, and in a few weeks, you bring up your hours more and more to feel normal. Thus, you move further and further away from your natural baseline while trying to maintain even keel with a job as ballast.
When the negatives start to outweigh the benefits (as they always do) you have to quit, and the longer you work there, the further you've drifted from normalcy. And goddamn dude, I'll admit I was sobbing like a baby and shivering during my quits. I felt like I wasn't able to breathe and that panic sensation was kicking in. I'm a strong person. I'm not some weak faggot who can't cope. And yet there I was fucking crying because I had to adjust my hours without mcdonalds to manage my wage earnings.
It's different for everyone. I know that. And there are people who find their sweet spot at 3-5$/h and they never have to go through it. Some of us find the sweet spot, months later, at 50-100$/h. And once we realize what we've done, it's already too late. Keep using or go through a week of hell, then months of post acute withdrawal symptoms. Yes, there's no one to blame but the worker, but when people spend all their time telling you it's just like a real career and there's nothing to fear, it's easy to deceive yourself into ignoring the warning signs. Shit's like a mlm scheme in high enough positions. It is. I worked the fryer for YEARS, and I'm intimately familiar with it.

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usury is a problem too, but you have to a cmoelte mouthbreather to think that outsourcing, overregulation, and federal handouts aren’t as a big a problem.
We have all these standards for our indistries, raising the costs of production, which in turn raises the cost of the product, while distributors and manufactures can simply buy products and resources from countries that dont have near the standards we do, at oennies on the dollar, compared to buying much more expensive domestic products. If we cut off trade or tariffed the hell out of countries that dont abide by our standards, as well as cut back uneccesary regulations, we could greatly help our domestic economy.

It used to be where a man working manual labour in America could support a family, own a house, and afford to buy a new car, nowadays with regulations, federal gibs, and outsourcing, most manual labourers can barely afford to supoort themselves, much less a large family.

you are the only boomer here, go back to Yahoo or usenet, you are embarrassing yourself.

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sorry for the typos, im on a phone and loaded up on medicine from the hospital.

You also have autism

slavery is good freedom is bad

Why should people be paid more for jobs they do badly? Especially when robots are superior to their dumb asses?
>B-but we need money
Then get a better job that's harder. Sewer worker, oil rigs, etc. Stop being lazy. If you have no intelligence, use your body. If you have neither then use your guile. If you lack everything kys you don't deserve more than the minimum

if your business model doesn't profit when you have to pay people $7.25/hour then you should get a better business model. Its not like a person can live on that, and taxpayers would have to pay gibs to make up the difference.

alternatively you can just hire illegal mexicans and pay them under the table, further fucking over the system for your own gain.

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>36 years old
>still on minimum wage
How can you fail so much in life. I would not blame you if you just go welfare because you're fucking retarded.

>Which is why I wanna find a way to pay less than minimum wage to anybody I hire.
The absolute shit quality of this bait really shows how sheltered and out of touch with reality you Marxists are. The worldview of a child.

What do you do for work? How much do you pay your employees?

engineering consulting services
a lot

>I'm a useless unskilled worker and I cant stop because my feelings Booohooo
If you didnt want to feel useless working at McDonalds you should've been better at life. Not my fault you fucking suck at being useful, I shouldnt have to subsidise your pathetic existance.

well at least i can vote socialist and force the capitalists to give me a living wage aka what im owed. its not my fault the system is stacked against me and the other proletariate.

I and all my coworkers make it a point yo vote blue every two years. Are you happy we outvote you?

You are owed what you are worth. Considering your existence is that of a replaceable servant for a shitty food corp. So you are essentially worth and owed absolutely nothing. You should really get rid of the idea that you deserve anything more than dirt for handing food to people.
I guess id say id prefer to not be outvoted, but no matter the results of any election ill still be sitting comfier than most with a good fulltime job and decent salary so it doesnt matter too much to me in the long run.

You could be a traitor and hire immigrants.. oh you were already a traitor and still not greedy enough. I hope I get to kill your family legally due to your treason someday.

no person in America should be too poor to live.

however once we vote in our next fenale socialisg president then you and your ilk will be subject to 95% tax rate to pay me when robots replace my job.

if you dont pay, bye bye sweetie hope you like reeducation in the tundra!

>no person should be too poor to live.
Why? What magical entity declared this as a truth? At least the opposite of this is natural selection. Remove all protections and let those unable to live perish.

>Average age: 36
Shouldn't we just let them starve to death if they're that old but unable to do anything else than a minimum wage job? I have never seen a single good argument against this.

uhhh its LITERALLY in our declaration of constitution. Im not dumb, I read on my lunch breaks sweetie.

btw u r so mean. I cant wait until we demographically replace you jerks. hoes THAT for natural selection? the tribe has spoken

Poor whites working 50+ hours a week and being unable to afford children is the real white genocide, but keep shitting on poor people guys :)

Poor whites = unfit whites and must be cleansed with the rest.

This. You want people to fuck and raise kids in their boomer parents house as if that's some sort of sexy normal whites can get behind. Mexicans maybe. Just don't wonder too hard when you see the decline of the white population you dumb shits.

If we just kill all poor people, crime would drop drastically!

You literally have life on easy mode if you're white in America. Imagine still failing on easy mode lmao

Why would you post an obvious truth as if you expect people to disagree with it?

Because it's such a retarded idea, only idiots would agree with it.

Now this is bait

Pay people what they deserve you fucking stingy jew, theres the workaround

You deserve the rope

That doesn't engage with my point though.
Why is it that the US is the only western country where people can work their asses off and still live in poverty? I thought we evolved beyond survival of the fittest/wealthy.

And that pic shows the problem. Minimum wage jobs are for kids, NOT adults. Now we have unskilled retarded adults (mostly immigrants) earning minimum wage, WHILE having kids. These people should be gassed.

Meanwhile, the kids can't get jobs and end up playing video games, catching autism in the process. MANY SUCH CASES!

Pic related seems to suggest being a single mom is a bad idea...
Who would have thought!?

Never implied anything like that Big Mr. Retard. Simply stating the fact that if you can't succeed in a fight for your life than you dont deserve that life and shouldn't be allowed to exist.

Yeah okay Conan the Barbarian, I'm sure you're working real hard on the steppes hunting to bring in your weekly bounty

>consulting
So you produce nothing, another “industry” that exists solely because of funny money

You gullible goyim. No shekels for you.

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Maybe on this board expert knowledge accounts for nothing but in the real world it's pretty useful.

pay your fucking employee a livable wage you jew fuck

I mean im not saying we need to go be animals, we can do this through a modern lens. I'm working every week to bring in the money to sustain myself and live the way I want. Only difference between me and the mentioned barbarian is that his career is slaughter and mine is a desk job. But at the end of the day we both survive, while those who cant work has hard/smart should not be given a free ride through life.

>So you produce nothing
we produce instructions for doing things that other people dont know how to do. usually in the form of a report, with blueprints/construction plans.

I work for £5 an hour, 35 years old :(

The image is true, but the guy on the right should be brown.

The reason minimum wage jobs aren't teenagers and wives earning an extra buck is because of irresponsible immigration policies. These low level jobs were never meant to be kept as long term careers, but to a Mexican standing at the gas station counter is the only thing they're smart enough to do so it becomes a career to them. It's thrown the entire dynamic off and now we're having to pay more for goods and services as a result.

We should support good labor laws once we get rid of these turd worlders though. Good labor laws are a safeguard against wealth redistribution/"socialism". At this time, we're paying the residual amount that employers aren't paying their employees through welfare.

Holy shit you're retarded

Because not paying people enough to survive on their own and start a family protects profits. It's supposed to trickle down on us in the form of more jobs, but if people work two full-time jobs then there isn't enough to start a family, just survive. Then there isn't time to raise your kids so family values start to fall apart. We only have enough to save up for a house, retirement, healthcare, and maybe a car. And even all that requires over $20/hr. You can make it with less, but you want to do more than just survive if you're going to be increasing the white population.

White and black teenage unemployment was about the same until the minimum wage was introduced and blacks teen unemployment spiked because their labor wasn't worth minimum wage. Which of course means they had no job experience as teenagers which harmed their future prospects and really that have their entire communities for decades. If you don't like black people you should support a high minimum wage.

Remove 3rd worlders. Solves just about every economic problem.

That's a Republican flag, you idiot

I know so many business owners who unironically believed this and are now in big trouble with the IRS. Do not lie or cheat your employees. If they are not contractors, you will get fucked, esp after they learn that If they turn you in, they can get 15-30% of whatever the IRS decides you owe them on top of that lawsuit.

But if we don't tax the goy how will we send Israel 10 million dollars a day for their military?! Oy VEY!

youtube.com/watch?v=OVhIDksL--M

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yes this minimum wage thing is working out great for Canada, love our food prices right now and grocery stores sighting minimum wage as the cause.

Massachusetts has a minimum wage of $11/hour and will go up to $15 by 2019.

Food prices becoming a problem in Canada? It reminds me of the French gas tax. Once the basics of living get hit people start getting mad.

Your good for nothing woman PM is pretty lenient on tax aversion. Here shit is hitting the fan with subcontracting due to the lack of 'benefits' works believe they are entitled to.

However user is right, subcontracting distances you from the liability of paying retirement expenditure, work cover and other worker based functions such as penalty rates and loading.
Better yet is gives you limited liability nfor the actions of the sub contractor, all while allowing you to enforce your desired payment date on them.

You all want things cheaper, not the essentials but the latest gadgets and wants. For things like that to be cheaper, labour costs and production costs must be minimalised.

Minimum wage is nothing more than the Jew ( literally Jewish) push for inflation and excess usery, we create the need for you to finance your hyper inflated lifestyle. All the while you think you are doing much better than you actually are.

Now from experience, I've come to realise that government employment incentives are a great churnable resource with a rotation of seasonal workers, who when your fiduciary duty to employ is null and void are moved to greater pastures.

If the task is simple, high functioning literal autisits and other disabled people are also a great source of government funded Labor. You give them a purpose, give the government a stat boost and retain maximum profitability.

Lehyam Goyim, you now have cheaper workers!

L'chaim

Alright faggot, time to destroy your pic and your premise because you're an economic illiterate.

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PRODUCTIVITY - NOT Divergent From Income!

Many contend that productivity rates have doubled while our wages remained roughly flat.[3] An extension of this argument is that the minimum wage would've today been $22 an hour had it merely kept pace with productivity. [1] But did you know these figures weren't adjusted using the same methodologies thus distorting the picture quite considerably?[2] Furthermore, as we'll demonstrate, changes in productivity vary from industry to industry, which renders comparisons of wages from one industry to the productivity rates of the entire economy useless.

• For instance, from 2013-2014, several industries increased in productivity 1-9% while others declined 1-8%. [4]

• In manufacturing, productivity has grown faster than the average of all non-farm businesses for the past 2 decades. [5]

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• The point is; productivity gains are not equal by sector, so while the technology sector may have expanded over the past 20-30 years that doesn't mean a burger flipper can flip twice as many burgers as they did in the 70s. In fact, the gap between a fast food employee’s productivity and their compensation is nearly non-existent. [6] So no, minimum wage earners aren't necessarily being deprived the fruits of their productivity, as the above concerns regarding the minimum wage had implied.

• As for the disparity between income and total productivity, that's due to several methodological errors. First, total compensation vs wages. "Because of the rise in fringe benefits and other non-cash payments, wages have not risen as rapidly as total compensation. It is important therefore to compare the productivity rise with the increase of total compensation rather than with the increase of the narrower measure of just wages." [7] This is a common error which leads people to understate changes in earnings, since they exclude health insurance, life insurance, disability insurance, paid leave, vacation, sick time, bonuses, paid parking (if working in the city), retirement funds, 401K plans, pensions, company cars, etc.

• Also, in adjusting for inflation, we must acknowledge that the commonly misused Consumer Price Index doesn't properly account for consumer choice or substitution of goods, which is why alternate deflators, such as the PCE or IPD should be utilized instead. [8]

with our ever expanding trade relationship with China. Even Benjamin Mandel of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors concluded that the official numbers overestimate productivity. In his paper, "Offshoring, Terms of Trade and the Measurement of U.S. Productivity Growth" he argues that “the mis-measurement in the terms of trade spills over into productivity growth" and that when trade is understated productivity then becomes overstated. [5]

2. The other factor to consider is capital depreciation, which has accelerated in recent decades due to the rapid rate in which computerized assets become obsolete. An investment in a building, for instance, lasts a lot longer than investment in computers. It follows, then, that since firms now rely more heavily on computers than they did 40 years ago, their “depreciation rates have increased.” [2]

The BLS, however, measures GROSS productivity (total), not NET, so they do not account for this increase in depreciation rates. In other words, if a company had to replace its computers every five years instead of every ten, investors and business owners would have fewer dollars left over to dispense among workers – after production - since the cost of replacing those computers was part of the productive process. Because of this added cost, productivity often wouldn't be as high as the BLS reports since they didn't adjust it when comparing to the reduced depreciation rates of the past. This is why “Real NET GDP per Hour," or NDP, should instead be used to help calculate productivity as opposed to GDP.

• When using Real Net GDP Per Hour to calculate productivity, it turns out, compensation increases DID match productivity increases and have for decades. [14]

CONCLUSION:
Notice that none of these adjustments distorted the well established and non-debated link between productivity and income from 1945- 1975. Rather, they managed to accurately reflect the distant past while also accurately reflecting the more recent past. This is an extremely important point to observe since, if these adjustments weren't rooted in sound logic, they would have entirely distorted the 1945-1975 era. It's quite clear that didn't happen.

• In doing so, we see that from 1979 to 2013, real median compensation actually rose by 38%, which is a sharp contrast to the supposed gains of only 6% had CPI and hourly wages been incorrectly used instead. [9]

• Even then, two different price deflators are still being used - one to measure compensation and another to measure productivity. Instead, to compare apples to apples, you must apply the same inflation adjustment to both the productivity data and the compensation data. [7] We can do this via the “Implicit Price Deflator,” which accounts for goods and services that businesses sell to other businesses, or exports to other countries. (something the CPI doesn't reflect) It's also not limited only to a "fixed" basket of goods, as the CPI is, and therefore reflects changes in consumption patterns such as substitutions or the addition of entirely new goods/services. [10] Furthermore, compensation deflated by CPI is NOT appropriate when evaluating its relationship to productivity, since CPI adjusts for imported final products (which are not part of domestically produced final products). [7]

• Once adjusted using the same deflator, the gap between productivity and compensation almost vanishes. [11] [12]

• Additional research corroborates this. In a paper entitled “DID WAGES REFLECT GROWTH IN PRODUCTIVITY?” Harvard economist Martin Feldstein found that, while productivity doubled in the U.S. nonfarm business sector from 1970-2006, TOTAL compensation per hour increased at approximately the same annual rate as productivity so long as the same measure of inflation was used to adjust both earnings and productivity. [7] Even the BLS acknowledges that – once adjusted using IPD – compensation growth followed productivity growth up until around year 2000. [13] (Below, we'll explain what needs to be adjusted in the BLS data - and why - as to account for changes after 2000.)

• As for the remaining gap, this is because productivity rates are slightly overstated in two ways:

1. For one, the BLS doesn't properly account for the prices of imported goods that are then used in domestic production. [2] Imagine a factory which uses inputs from India but then switches to China because the materials are being sold to us cheaper there. The BLS would observe our final products being created at lower cost and reason that productivity had increased. But because the positive benefit arose from foreign trade rather than from worker productivity, one might confuse the source of the gains. [2] This is notable since part of this remaining gap between productivity and income corresponds

Sources:
[1]
cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage1-2012-03.pdf

[2]
economics21.org/html/workers-get-same-slice-pie-they-always-have-1186.html

[3]
Original EPI graph up to 2011: epi.org/publication/ib330-productivity-vs-compensation/
Source of slightly updated graph up to 2013: forbes.com/sites/scottwinship/2014/10/20/has-inequality-driven-a-wedge-between-productivity-and-compensation-growth/#5bbc310a2eb4

[4]
bls.gov/news.release/pdf/prin2.pdf

[5]
www2.gwu.edu/~iiep/waits/documents/Mandel-Offshoring.pdf

[6]
heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/report/unprecedented-minimum-wage-hike-would-hurt-jobs-and-the-economy

[7]
nber.org/papers/w13953.pdf?new_window=1

[8]
investopedia.com/terms/p/pce.asp

[9]
urban.org/urban-wire/why-earnings-havent-stagnated-despite-what-you-may-have-heard

[10]
investopedia.com/terms/g/gdppricedeflator.asp

[11]
Graph prepared by:
thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/pdf/OpportunityForAll.pdf

[12]
Underlying source data for the graph:
bls.gov/news.release/archives/prod2_12032014.pdf

[13]
bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/01/art3full.pdf

Have a nice fucking day

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You ok man?

The real white genocide is foreign invasion. We don't need ever increasing populations. 250M whites in the USA for a 1,000 years, alone, would conquer the Galaxy.