Master's degree of shit universities VS. Bachelor's degree of Ivy League

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STEM isn’t a major, it’s an acronym. It’s also a meme and if you get a degree in any STEMITIC field at a shit university, it’s worthless. Go ahead and enslave yourself to the usury debt of the circumcised jew cocksucker.

Seriously stop spouting the STEM meme here. It’s objectively awful advice. Learn a trade instead

A Masters in Khazari History from Redpill University, obviously, since it will definitely end this thread.

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BA in Gender Studies from Ivy League vs PhD in physics from University of Liberia

>Bachelor's degree of Ivy League
In university you are not buying knowledge . They sell credentials.

Master's, degrees are like pokemon cards anymore. Nobody cares if you know how to play them, they just care if you have rare cards.

The school name is all that matters. It's precisely why those niggers from TM Landry cheated to get in Ivy League schools. They were too stupid to finish but even they understood the value of an Ivy League school degree.

the curriculum at ivy league universities is roughly the same as the ones at shitty universities. The difference is, you can network at ivy league schools and get to know influental and powerful people in leading positions, who will jumpstart your career (basically nepotism). At shitty universities, even with a masters degree, you start with shitty entry level jobs and have to work your way up, until you hit a glass ceiling.

>law fag brainlet
Opinion discarded

What's wrong with studying law, exactly?

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fuck i hate to hijack the thread and use it as a personal diary but I missed the college train and fell into the "le trade job" meme now i am working 60 hour weeks and get up at 4 AM and dont get home until 6 PM with a 15/hr job.. i as an apprentice electrician. It has really made me reconsider my decision to never attend college so I will enroll in my community college this next semester but I am unsure what major i should pick.. I want a data analyst type job which start out at 70k something like an Actuary but dont want to lock myself into that single degree in case i end up hating my life so I thought about majoring in Applied Math and getting an intership for those data jobs because either way the descriptions on the job sites are interested in either "CS, Business, Finance or related fields degree". but I am afraid Applied math could end up being too specialized and I wont be able to get a good job after college.. What should i fucking do anons? life fucking sucks for me right now

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BUILT TO BREED

Seriously? It’s where people that didn’t know what to do with their lives but are ‘ambitious’ end up, similar to other soul crushing fields like management consulting, accounting, etc where billable hours and throwing coworkers under the bus is king.

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Masters.
Nobody cares about your undergraduate degree.

>A degree in STEM.
Fucking THIS!
EE, well employed since the day I flipped the tassel on my mortarboard.

stay mad i make 100k a year scrub

Not true. Anything with an M in front of it is looked at as higher than anything with a B.

t. worked in uni admissions.

Except that is demonstrably false.
Universities publish employment statistics for each degree, down to the type of job that students got. Even in "shit" universities, STEM will get you a decent job after. Assuming you're not useless.

There are definitely a good number of bright people who went into it because they didn't know what else to do, but that doesn't make the discipline itself any better or worse. Those fields may be soul crushing to you but others may actually enjoy it. I know plenty of fulfilled and happy accountants and consultants. Maybe you just prefer more physical work? The part about throwing coworkers under the bus is just a stereotype and something you can apply to literally any workplace. There's really nothing to be gained by it here though.

Figure out what job you would like to work if you haven't already and pursue that. To be honest it sounds like you're being under paid for whatever trade you're in. But if you pick a college degree based on money and wind up in a job that you again aren't satisfied in then you still won't be happy. You can be successful potentially with most degrees, it's more about how much you apply yourself. As someone who went to college I strongly advise making sure you know exactly what you want before you start, knowing what job you want to get, and having realistic expectations about that job. Also do internships, these help a lot.

Even if that's true, you're still a tradesman and everyone knows you're intellectually not capable of completing an engineering degree, that's why you're a tradesman.

Actuaries are like lawyers in that you have to take standardized tests like the bar for employment and your degree doesn't matter so much. Many lawyers do bullshit degrees then go to law school. As long as you take enough math courses to pass the actuary tests your degree won't matter so much. With that being said you're going to need to take quite a few courses before you'd be prepared for the tests. All of calculus and linear algebra + some calculus based statistics.

>All of calculus and linear algebra + some calculus based statistics.
That's baby math that we do before uni.

more like i'd rather not have to take a bunch of bullshit diversity classes that are unrelated to what i do

Your mom is sweet shit flag. Kill yourself so you you’re not a burden to us.

More like you're talking out of your arse and don't have any idea of what going to university for STEM is like. Stop living on Jow Forums and go outside.

This. I have a PhD from Harvard. I went to college at community colleges and a state university. The teaching at Harvard is done mostly by graduate students (who are capable, but not experts of pedagogy) while at community colleges teaching is done by PhD experts who have chosen teaching as a profession.

Teaching is secondary at brand name university. The real purpose is matchmaking.

The difference between BS and BA is irrelevant today.

The real truth:

>All degrees are memes unless you go to a top university.

>Trades are also memes who make shittier wages, even more less graduates with meme degrees here, plus you will have tonnes of back problems, plus if you work in an environment with shitty chemicals which will will cause tonnes of health problems.

Jow Forums can't seem to accept this fact - it's either trades or degrees in this place - both are shit - but i would rather work in a depressing office than work long hours in a hard labor job with shit wages for the rest of my life and die young and broke just like all my uncles did.

The only ones that 'succeed' with trades are those who are successfully self employed with a large client list (a minority) - the rest just move mindlessly from contract to contract.

every euro says this I swear, it's bullshit because I went to school with some ivy league'rs who are no doubt smarter than you. They were rich, had tons of advance courses and tutors and they highest they could go is calc 2. The linear algebra you guys do isn't college level/applicable for transfer to universities as well.

Based and redpilled.

It depends on the field. If it's a BS liberal arts degree, A Bachelors or Masters is equally useless regardless of the school as there is an extremely high likelihood you'll be entering a field that requires no degree at all. The only advantage a "good" school has in that case is political connections. That value should not be discounted. Look at the wealth and power of so many influential people with room temperature IQs who got ahead solely by knowing the right people.

If you're going for a degree in a real field of study, a degree from a prestigious school will get you in the door whereas the same degree from a less respected school will make it hard for you to break in. Once you're in and have proven yourself, then the level of education will have more relevance. But if you're seeking a postgraduate degree in a STEM field, you're already working in the field and have proven yourself so it's a moot point. Then you're going on the reputation you've earned in the trenches.

Overall, the better school will be your best option if it is an option at all.

If you're going into politics, just lie like the rest of them.

This. Both are just as likely to get you into a higher program which is basically required unless you want to work as a lab grunt the rest of your life.

A degrees from anywhere will never be helpful. You are getting a real shit tier job if someone looks at your degree and says “oh wow that’s a good school”
>College notoriety will only ever be a determinant of the resources you will get while in school ie the people you meet and job opportunities you expose yourself to (internships). If all you get is a degree in any program, chances are you will not find a job.

Yeah, looking at colleges websites is me making things up.

degrees don't matter, any place worth it's salt will interview you with exam questions related to the job

Iskra has the ideal body.
Thicc but not fat.

>All of calculus and linear algebra + some calculus based statistics.
Call me when you're ready to deal with tuning a progressive mean or regressive EWMA

Work is superior.

I hold 3 graduate degrees - all from state schools. My advice: If you can't get it on a fast track, it's not worth it.

If you fell for the college meme you would be homeless

That’s also false. Universities are a business and they’re in the business to lie and give you false hopes. Honestly you autistic morons need to stop trying to meme STEM into reality. IT. IS. OBJECTIVELY. BAD. ADVICE!!!! And I am not using the term autistic ironically are in a deragotaroy fashion, STEM is constantly memed here by actual legit full blown autists. Autism will get you degree but it won’t get you a job, not one you will be able to keep. Not one that pays what you think these STEM fields will pay. OBJECTIVELY BAD ADVICE!!

(((STEM)))

Yes I am genocidally and vehemently anti-STEMitic. Take your philo-STEMitism aka counter-STEMitism, slice off half of your cock and don one of those tiny hats. You’re basically jewish already, might as well finish the job

At the CC i went to before transferring to a [spoiler]public[/spoiler] Ivy(poorfag) I had a chemistry teacher with a phd from Berkeley and got to walk past the rad lab(where Oppenheimer did research for the A-Bomb) everyday while she finished her graduate degree, I was super jealous.

We do what you call calc 1, 2, and 3 before uni.
And if you do higher mathsk, you'll also do lin alg.
Some people do it at uni, but it's first year stuff.
Calc 1,2, 3 and lin alg is babyshit that requires no actual thinking.

All that crazy math sounds really cool but I want a job m8, not gambling on a research grant that probably won't come through

All the employment statistics are from independent organisations, they are not done directly by the university, you retarded mutt.

So what advice do you have to contribute, mr. smartypants?

>BSN
Are you in the medical field or have you just had bad experiences with nurses?

Thanks, I needed that snap back to reality.

yea this is what I derived from the universities program.. I just dont want to end up getting into something i dont like and many companies dont give out interships until you are enrolled in the program.. actuaries align a lot with statistics majors so i would assume going into an Applied math degree would have lots of overlap so it wouldn't be too hard to specialize as oppose to doing things the other way around.

Prestigious uni bachelor's > shit uni master's

My post was a bit of projection on my part as previously working in accounting (and knowing quite a few attorneys) NO ONE in my entire city working across multiple firms could be described as ‘fulfilled’ or ‘happy’ with this type of work. The pay’s nice but in the end you’re not living.

I went to Ivy for law and state school for undergrad - it really matters what you are studying. State schools often have better science because they have giant labs, supermagnets, and cool shit like that. Ivy schools often have smarter people outside of STEM but not necessarily better curriculum - the humanities contain nothing new except for liberal garbage pushed in.
Truly garbage programs I don't really know about.

maybe if you live in a shit hole , in germany and switzerland , the quality of education at unis is extremely high on average, and nobody gives a shit what uni you went to

redundant shit.

>>All degrees are memes unless you go to a top university.
This is false though.
I did my Bsc at low ranked university, around top 30 out of 120 in the UK. I picked it for its location (which is superb). Very few employers care about your university, assuming it's literally not absolute shit. What they care about is your experience, you need to work/volunteer and make connections while studying. People who go study and do nothing else are retarded and are themselves to blame for not finding work afterward.

I wasn’t wrong about you being an autistic empathy-lacking frontal-lobe inpaired little to no sense of smell and incapable of comprehending abstracts worthless dead inside eater and breather. But since you’re on the spectrum, why don’t you please find and share these statistics of yours in this thread for all to see? It would be helpful to those on the fence you know. Since your autistic and not really a human, I know you can’t say no to this so please fill the thread with your wonderful counter-STEMitic facts

Kill all the jews and death to Israel

It's all undergraduate stuff(first year/2nd year @ uni in the US). The curriculums I could find online for the uk don't show linear algebra/advanced calculus(calc 3). I don't know why you guys always say this, probably some private schools offer it which ours do too but it's not normal at least from what I've found online.

Bba in finance

Until you fall through some shitty roof go on disability then die from cancer from being exposed to all that insulation.

Oh and I'm now doing an Msc at a uni ranked 6th.

We need as many /ourguy/ attorneys as we can get

Yep

It was a bit of projection but I see what you're saying.

>NO ONE in my entire city working across multiple firms could be described as ‘fulfilled’ or ‘happy’ with this type of work

I think it's a bit of an exaggeration. There's no doubt that many are unfulfilled but, again, you find that in virtually every type of work. It's especially true in the fields where many people end up because they didn't know what else to do or couldn't pursue their passions (accounting and law has tones of these people). But for those who enjoy it? Be it creating an argument for a case or working out a complex set of books to find inefficiencies? It can be incredibly rewarding. As can any trade for those who take pride and enjoy what they do, even when they are surrounded by angry, bitter people who hate their work.

Our individual experiences are obviously different, but I think it's fair to say that the right person and fit with the right job and will absolutely not feel that it's "soul crushing" work.

>tfw useless

got the STEM degree, been unemployed for 2 years

bio chem or something?

People who claim you need to go to a top university to get a job are retarded. I went to a shit university and I just accepted a job at the biggest company in my state making 75K a year. The thing that really matters is internship experience. It doesn't matter if you went to a top university if you have no job experience to back up your piece of paper.

Worse

Biology

because its not called calculus, its called analysis
its usually:1st year: linalg 1/2 , analysis 1/2 (1st year), statistics, geometry, physics (for physicists and mathematicians), programming introduction to some language
then second year: complex analysis , real analysis (2st year) , algebra/grouptheory/numbertheory, quantum physics
3rd years:
then measure theory, probability theory, financial modelling, quantum physics (continued), electives (advanced number theory, real analysis, specialization in PDEs etc.)
however in linalg 1/2 and analysis 1/2 you don't calculate anything, at universities, you only prove stuff and are expected to prove in exams (for mathematicians/CS/physics)

Affirmative action ruined top universities.

Honest advice - there are too many attorneys right now. Job market is oversaturated. Don't go unless someone else is paying for *everything.* Most of the jobs suck, which used to be okay because of the pay, but now the pay doesn't suffice if you could do anything else.

Shoulda gone for pharmacy

Is Austria like that too?

Thanks Dad, that'll help me get a job now

A PHD of brapology

lol even most Ivy league colleges have gone to shit following the diversity and student loan money gravy train into the ground

>lives in Louisiana

You need an Msc/Phd to do something directly with biology.
At least here you do. You can also consider doing a conversion course for something related to medicine - nursing, lab tech, radiographer, or even apply to medicine itself.

go earn your masonic degrees so you
can operate in this masonic world.

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If I went to law school it would be for oil and gas title work, but I probably won’t have to do that, I will probably be ok with just a bachelor degree.

You're talking about university curriculum, right? I was referring to high school or whatever equivalent 16-18 year olds have in europe.

I've been out of the education system for 2 years, a bit late to do anything like that. I've got my hand of cards and it doesn't match anything.

I mean it was closely related to what you were doing so that’s why I’m just saying you coulda done that.

Forget all that shit and become an indepedent car appraiser or something now. Get your license and then get training from Geico and work there a year, you’ll start making 50-60k eventually enough. I don’t know what you can do with your bio degree.

Im doctor

you can get a STEM degree at a shit university. what then?

all college is useless paper

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