I've had it absolutely up to here with the pro-socialist bullshit on this board. Iran is not the majestic savior of the Middle East, and Bashar al-Assad is no saint either. The worst part is that most of you supporting those two aren't even Arab, you're just westerners and slavs larping.
> Iran
Iran started the religious movements of the ME in 1979. Before that, Saudi Arabia was attempting to modernize much like it is today. After iran's religious revolution, Saudi became fanatical as well in order to not lose their place as 'the' muslim holy land. Wherever an Arab monarch ruled, Iran sent in fanatical religious shiites to try to overthrow them. Iran since its modern inception was a Soviet ally, and they have always leaned toward socialism, which is why they support the overthrow of based arabian monarchs throughout the region.
They also oppose capitalism and wealth prosperity, not allowing Lebanon to prosper as it once did. That once-wealthy nation is now a shithole because no investors want to be involved with Hezboshaitan.
> Syria
This one irritates me even more than Iran. People on here blindly support the SAA because they fight ISIS so dat make dem gud bois hurr. Al-Assad was torturing his people long before IS was even formed. He massacred entire villages, tormented anybody that refused his Ba'athist rule.
> but muh christians!
He treated them like complete shit before the war, only becoming their 'hero' when he desperately needed allies. In the 80s, Assad Senior attempted to annex Lebanon and slaughter all of its Maronite christian rulers. They assassinated Bachir Gemayel, leader of the christian forces and then occupied Lebanon for 30 years. They changed their laws and killed any politicians that didn't follow "their" baath ideas, even imprisoning Samir Geagea for a decade.
> cont'd
Refuting the 'Axis'
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what about the jews?
>Saudi Arabia was attempting to modernize much like it is today
So new buildings but no real change to anything else,Checked!
finest american education
Go back to q then.
>Al-Assad was torturing his people long before IS was even formed. He massacred entire villages
Sounds like a whole lot of not my fucking problem
> cont'd
Israel, the palestinians, and iran have all done a lot of damage to Lebanon but nobody compares to how Syria destroyed the country. Assad doesn't magically become the savior of christendom after his father tried to remove the one christian-led nation in the region. Bashar himself threatened to destroy Lebanon countless times when things didn't go his way
> "Lahoud represents me. ... If you and Chirac want me out of Lebanon, I will destroy Lebanon."
So I'm sick of hearing how he is protecting christians after attempting to wipe them out.
> Hezbollah
Completely useless. Israel pulled out of Lebanon on their own accord in 2000. 6 fucking years later, Hezbollah kidnaps IDF members and starts a war that kills 1,000 and levels half of the country just so they could say they fought jews. They also did nothing about 30 years of syrian occupation.
> Iraq
If we're talking about Iran v Saudi, then Saudi wins here. When Saudi enters Iraq, they build stadiums, offer enormous wealth and rebuild the nation. When iran enters iraq, they built shi'a mosques and rant about jews while iraqis sit around in the rubble of Mosul.
Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Arab. If any of you claim you adore him as a leader, then you can't also adore Iran who he fought for 8 long years.
The entire Saudi/Iran conflict is hardly about religion. It's about Western capitalism and prosperity vs Eastern resistance and socialism-lite. If you hate socialism, quit whining about how based socialist leaders in the levant are.
Shut the fuck up you fat dumb zionist slave americuck.
>support moderate jihadists goyim
Why even comment here? This is for people who are obsessed with supporting dictators they hardly know about in the region. And yes, I myself am Arab.
>I myself am Arab
Then why are you defending Saudi Arabia which slaughters Arabs in Yemen?
>Why even comment here?
Because you're trying to push more wars for Israel, and I'm not footing the bill.
> hurr saudi builds new buildings but that dont matter
Fuck off Lawrence. Saudi invited the maronite christian leader of Lebanon to the king's throne last year, the prince visited a Coptic cathedral, and only last week there was a coptic sunday mass held in Saudi Arabia. I haven't seen any news of Iran doing this.
> thearabweekly.com
> nytimes.com
> reuters.com
All sources there.
What about them? Asheknazis have 7 times more Persian ancestry than Levantine or Arab ancestry. Iran has 30,000 jews that live in peace in their cities, Saudi Arabia has exactly 0.
I'm arab, stop trying to tell me how our nations should be built. We're sick of larping as zealots and living in poverty.
Hi Shlomo
No I'm not. I never once said we need to declare war on Iran. I just said I support their opposition.
We don’t really support anyone. We are just in favor of any leader strong enough to maintain the status quo so that Britain or the US can’t come up with a reason to go to the Middle East and get shot at
How is it in Iran?
FOAD kike.
>I haven't seen any news of Iran doing this.
Iran has Christians in our parliament you dumb fuck Saudi. Iran saved Christians in Iraq from genocide by Sunnis. Iran saves Christians in Syria from genocide.
Oh now you suddenly care about Arabs, but when the majoos are walking around slaughtering them in Syria, they're beneath you. The Yemen crisis I don't approve of at all, I don't blindly follow everything Al Sa'ud does, but I'd still rather live in a prosperous, pro-Western Middle East than a shithole designed for you idiots to pretend you're fighting the jews with.
Again, I don't want to destroy your country. Just get out of arab nations.
>support their opposition
This is getting involved in war. No more dollars for Jews.
Again read my OP. Sunni Saddam Hussein protected christians far more than Iran is doing today, and he had many more seats in his parliament for them. Iran has exactly 1% christians and they're all Armenians who have always been there. Iraq used to have far far more, and they were all protected by Saddam until he was removed.
Iran is conveniently allying with syrian christians to gather up any minorities possible against the arab majority. In Lebanon, christians and shiites have never been allies until very recently, and that's a tenuous alliance at best.
So far nobody has talked about Assad trying to destroy Christian lebanon yet.
Depends on what you are asking about.
Yes we care about Arabs. We care about Arabs more than Arabs care about Arabs. We're the only reason there are not millions more dead Arabs from all these conflicts. If Saudis had their way there would be millions of dead Arab Shia, Druze and Christians across the crescent and the gulf.
kek
Bless you
No it isn't. It's defending Arab nations from outside presence. Why is Iran allowed to wage their jihad and occupy iraq and syria, but when we want them out it's suddenly some back-breaking effort that will ruin your comfortable life?
>Iran is conveniently allying with syrian christians to gather up any minorities possible against the arab majority.
You mean the Sunni majority you wahabbi scum. Christians in Syria are also Arabs.
Also in Lebanon it is the Shia who fought to defend the Christians from Jewish invasion.
HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME AMERICA KILLED GADAFFI AND DESTABILIZED LIBYA AND THAN TRIED TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING TO SYRIA USING THE SAME TACTICS OF
>WOAH HE'S A BAD GOY, LOOK AT THIS PHOTO OF HIM HITTING PUPPIES
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN GOLD BACKED CURRENCY GOY. DON'T QUESTION IT
I FUCKING HATE AMERICANS SO MUCH!
I'm still not convinced Iran actually cares at all about christian and other minorities. They're just using them in syria to support Al-Assad.
And Arabs were living just fine together before 2001. We can all agree the US invasion of Iraq changed it all.
But I'll listen to your POV. If Iran is a justicar of good intentions, what exactly are its foreign policy motives in the region? I'm not being sarcastic, I actually want to know exactly what Iran wants out of all of this.
I know christians are arab, and the majority of the rebels were not Daesh. They got massacred and replaced by stronger fanatical groups after the early stages of the war. Anyway, see my other post and please explain to me exactly what iran wants in the region.
I'd you want to spread propaganda here you'll need some memes newfag
>And Arabs were living just fine together before 2001.
You should read up on Saddam's genocide of the marsh Arabs.
>I actually want to know exactly what Iran wants out of all of this.
To push the US out of the region.
To defeat Israel and its allies.
To defeat the Salafists and their allies.
I'm not trying to, I'm just justifying my own position and honestly now I want to hear this persian out and see his perspective. The only thing I despise is westerners thinking they know everything about the Middle East because they watched a Russian video on youtube.
> the Salafists
Does that just mean KSA? Is Iran's long-term plan to literally invade Arabia, or do you just mean 'defeat' as in stop their plans in the Levant? And how do you expect people to want to root for Iran when everywhere Iran exists, there's war and struggle. When people see the Khaleej, they see wealth and prosperity.
Assad ran a prosperous multicultural state with far less oppression than the average middle eastern dictator including revered US allies, as did Gaddafi. They were the best that could have actually happened to those countries in the real world.
By defeat I mean overthrow the Saudi monarchy and wipe out Al-Saud family. Arabs should do it, not Iranians.
Answers me in an aggressive manner.
Blows up WTC, funds mosques and extremists, kill civilians in Yemen.
I rest my case, M'lud
>Blows up WTC, funds mosques and extremists, kill civilians in Yemen.
All done by Israel and not Saudi Arabia (even though the hi-jackers were Saudi).
>Saudis didn't do anything
Saudi troops are the ones doing the massacres in Yemen and their family funds Salafi terrorism around the world.
No one is supporting them retard we are just against invading more middle eastern countries for Israels sake based on lies and propaganda because it isnt our fight and simply exacerbates the migrant crisis and geo-political destabilization.
Fuck off kike.
>Salafi terrorism
Is predominantly a Qatari movement. No country hates Qatar more than Saudi Arabia. Am I wrong?
Is from both. Saudis fund Al-Qaeda.
>Israel and saudi's
Best bum buddys, can confirm!
>Saudi Arabia was attempting to modernize much like it is today.
Being "modern" isn't good. This is plain for anyone to see now.
>He massacred entire villages, tormented anybody that refused his Ba'athist rule.
Based.
>He treated them like complete shit before the war
Fuck Christcucks and all desert shitskin religions.
Fuck Saddam Hussein. He tried to have Assad overthrown, gassed the Kurds, tried to wage war with every country around him, and treated American POWs horribly.
For the most part, people here don't support the SAA because they fight ISIS, they support the SAA because they fight the US and Israel.
>America killed Gaddafi
yeah just forget the part where France and the UK begged us to help them do it