Capitalism doesn't work, change my mind

No, you'd be running a reverse-engineered piece of garbage that was incompatible with the rest of the modern world.

you are using a computer.

you've shared something in your life, and sharing is communism. such a non argument, in a communist society you can still have companys, just owned by the workers

You can still share in a capitalist society. The big difference is there's actually incentive to create and innovate.

Why can't you see that?

Capitalism rewards competition, which leads to innovation
This is the reason why government programs are shit compared to privatised options

education can also cause innovation

>communigger
>possessing a mind to change

>amazon
>uber
>airbnb
Ect

amazon is abusive twords their workers

I agree

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well the point is: it actually does work pretty damn good.

Capitalism communist how bout I’m doing none of them.

It doesn't and the only way to destroy it is with National Socialism.

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Sure. But who pays for that education? And then who pays the educated to innovate?

It'd be great if everyone just did these things out of the good of their hearts. It's not going to happen though.

>believing in communism
Buddy, you don't have a mind to change, you're mentally retarded. Seek help.

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nope you're right

>when you fall for that western propaganda

neither does gommunism

>"b-but that wasn't real communism"

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This, Fascism all the way

Filename says everything

There are a lot of problems with capitalism (especially capitalism as we know it) and the idea of private property user, but if you're a marxist, anarchist or communist of any sort then you are also subscribing to a completely irredeemable ideology.

You guys like to say "abolish private property", when in reality your motto should be something like "stop enforcing private property laws". I know that doesn't roll off the tongue as well, but it's the non-sociopathic and non-totalitarian view of things.

Basically you're no different than the capitalists. You're trying to enforce your vision of utopia upon the world.

What you really need to do is just fuck off and let people be.

Technically speaking, the government should probably recognize "private property rights" in some way, but should not enforce them. It's just not the government's job one way or the other to control how much shit you have.

the government should pretty much exist for policing collectives that use force and violence against the individual. So that would include other countries (including illegal immigration), corporations (which would not exist if the government ceased funding them and ceased protecting their properties), gangs and mobs (like you probably want to form to enforce your totalitarian will upon others) and so forth.

Everything else is just tyranny and slavery, this includes, and actually ESPECIALLY includes, socialism, communism and "anarcho-communism", "mutualism" and all the other brands of anarchy of all stripes.

Plenty of people use macs already though

How bout u prove it works faggot.
>tHaT wAsnT rEal cOmmuNism

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You seem to be conflating "personal property" and "private property", which is exclusively the means of production

You can't change people's mind.

Change my mind.

using tools developed by capitalism to make low quality bait.

>capitalism doesn't work
I'm willing to bet you don't either

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No, I'm not. Your concept of "personal property" is flawed. And I have to point out the stereotypical banality of a communist simply running to accuse anyone who disagrees with him of "not being educated", "not knowing what he's talking about", or reducing everything to a discussion about terminology and semantics.

I am not talking about "personal property". "personal property" is actually indefinable, and that is the fundamental flaw to it. I am talking the state simply refusing to enforce private property laws, which is a completely different concept than your authoritarian socialist power grab entails.

The eastern world versus the western world.

define 'work'
consider it may have worked in the past but is become more problematic as workers realise they have been getting more and more buttfucked since the 70s
read a book some time

You posted OP on computer/or phone which was invented in what country?

Capitalism is shit. But you'll grow out of this communist phase soon buddy.

Damn, I fulled intended this to be a new thread, but failed to click out of this one first. Oh well. I will repost it in a few minutes.
But I guess it's relevant to this thread too.
Fact is that whether something "works" or not, you can't force others to do your bidding. You have to respect the freedom and autonomy of others.

but corporatism does just follow this civilization 1 definition: "The Corporation represents the state-approved business firms that balance the interests of the shareholders that invest the capital with those of the employees who contribute their labor.... The Railroads, iron mongers, and other businesses that launched the Industrial Revolution grew into great enterprises within a generation, far outstripping the resources of a single owner. The huge capital investments that Industrialization required were met in the West by Corporations of stockholders that had access to sophisticated Banking systems. These large industrial enterprises now dominate world business. Though often considered wasteful, conspiratory, and beyond the law, they are generally efficient and innovative, or they are soon out of business."

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Communism gave y’all satellites ya dumb cunts

Im willing to bet mommy and daddy gave u everything in life

> trying to enforce world view
> non coercion is an anarchist concept, inherent to antiauthoritarianism
> has no idea what communism is
> has no idea what property in a marxist context is
> needs to read david graebers “fragments of an anarchist anthropology” to understand that anarchist movement is concerned with experimenting with methods, not meta narratives of what exactly is the utopia to move to, unlike how stalin committed any atrocity in thr name of historical neccesity

Lol Jow Forums is retarded and needs to read more books instead of thinking echoing shitty opinions makes them smort

They haven't given me shit. What makes you think that?

Actually the French revolution did fagboy

>Jew
kek. cant make this shit up. youre right and you've been blessed

Because most working class people bust their ass like myself and to little avail, while the upper class is filled with people who are handed life on a silver platter rather than it being a struggle. Class mobility is rare and it has nothing to do with personal ability and more to do with nepotism and dynastic wealth.

capitalism doesn't work when you have jews

It’s been working since before the year of our lord 1.
Also since when has true communism worked other then in tiny communes with less than 100 people?

America vs Venezuela
America vs USSR
America vs China
America vs Euro socialist-lite
Strange on how one system seems to be working quite well

cant because you arent human

As is typical of communists, you have NO argument, you respond to NONE of the points, you simply say "people who don't agree with me are dumb and havent read the right books that I think they should read" and reduce everything to an argument about language.

IDK man. You need to be able to formulate an argument and both address rational points and put forth rational points of your own if you want to be taken seriously.

Everytime a communist or socialist is challenged they just say "You don't even know what socialism is", meanwhile they use a definition of socialism that is completely contrary the one found in the dictionary and common usage in the world. You have no authority or ownership over words and the only reason you retreat into such banalities is BECAUSE you don't have any real cogent ideas or arguments of your own.

> not understandinf what capitalism is
> thinking it is just “when people trade stuff”
> not knowing bartering is primarily a signifier of a society or people from former capitalist society with no access to currency
> not knowing almost every society before capitalism worked on a credit system

Lol take like one anthropology class

the globalist capitalist backed facist regime is the most successful eastern bloc country
so much for (((communism)))

Take your trumpist socialism somewhere else, preferably back to t_d

Thats because you havent made an argument because youve misunderstood the very premise you’re trying to argue against and pointing out your failed axiom is a completely valid counter point my dumb honker

Urverysmort arent u lolol “wah these people treat me like im stupid and tell me i dont understand things while i ignore everything they say” like lol man u good for a laff hahahaha

>capitalism doesn't work
>uses the internet, a phone, and a computer he purchased using money
ok retard

you fucking idiot.

Followup: its like u trying to argue that ice is a gas and someone tells you ur fucking whacko mate read a book and ur like Oh these fucking scientists dont know what they talking about imma keep using this word incorrectly hahahah

I made arguments. I put forth a set of principles and prescriptions. I detailed what the purpose of government should be and how it should deal with property rights. I said very specific things. You did nothing but use the same tired line all communists use, which is "U don't know wut reel communizm is!"

Ok, well, that's "not an argument". What I said WAS an argument. So I don't know what else to tell you.

Nevermind the fact that it's the so-called communists and socialists who ACTUALLY don't know what the term "communism" and in particular "socialism" actually means.

I actually didn't even misuse the term "communism" or "socialism" or anything else even in the marxist sense in my comment. So the fact that you are resorting to this tiredness just demonstrates that you genuinely DONT have any arguments and CANNOT defend your own positions. You guys just say this to everyone as a manner of gaslighting your own weaknesses and logical inconsistencies when called out on them. Period.

Im pretty sure you bought a computer to write this

>mfw this thread

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> sounding this much like a desparate antivaxxer grasping at straws
Dude u wouldnt know an argument if u got hit by a bus with it hahaha keep rping plato tho

Pure capitalism doesn't work, because it becomes a group of monopolies that curry government favors, and it becomes something very similar to socialism, because ownership is diluted, and corporate executives run other people's money and there is no incentives to do anything. We are here. The idea was to break up monopolies so that competition keeps balance of power in check. If balance of power doesn't self adjust, you are stuck with something very similar to socialism no matter how it's called. You just have the state and whoever is anointed elite spend other people's money. Which is exactly what socialism does in the name of social equality. The results are identical.

>gibs me dats
capitalism has insofar been the best economic system to date, so long as it exists in a free market society. Why? Innovation, with capitalism there is a clear incentive to produce something that people want or need. With it, you can earn money to purchase something you need. And Marx's labor theory of value is flawed, how do you define what is the "socially necessary labor" and how is wealth "extracted"? Price is determined by supply and demand, in that it is a more agreeable price, a price producers are willing to charge and a price consumers are willing to purchase. Theoretically, under the labor theory of value, I can claim that this burger I made is $400, and claim that is how much the labor to make it is worth.

Hahahaha imagine thinking that saying someone isnt understanding a concept correctly isnt an argument hahahahah u dum dude

thats communism you fucking faggot any white country that is socialist always does really well!

that was the problem with state capitalism, free market capitalism would be ideal in that lobbying and other forms of getting government favors would be and must be abolished. As a matter of fact, such behaviors also stomp out innovation, the government intervening and protecting failed companies

So you still have no real arguments and nothing to contribute to the conversation, right? You claim I am "misunderstanding" a concept, but you refuse to elaborate on how or why, right?

Ok then. This is just the same trick all communists try (in vain) to use. I don't think anyone is ever fooled by it. You guys just can't back your views.

Problem with national socialism fuckhead?

> pretending this hard that u understand communism from quips because ur a lazy retarded capitalist like the rest if Jow Forums

Hahahha i bet yall dum mother fuckers think pointing out that ur understanding is wrong “isnt an argument” hahahahah

Capitalism works for some things, but it’s terrible at solving problems that require collective action (like climate change). Much to Jow Forums‘s dismay, globalist socialism is the only workable solution to climate change.

Based trap ContraPoints has a good video on the topic,

youtu.be/S6GodWn4XMM

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How about try reading a book instead of getting everything you know from internet arguments on Jow Forums you retard hahahahahah

IWW are retards.

They are just a bunch of bureaucrats.

They don't give a damn about revolution.

You're a broke ass faggot who will never understand how money works and will always be pissed off at rich people because you are inferior with leadership abilities, prove me wrong.

no.
You would be sharing a computer.
For people like myself a computer is part of the means of production. You may not privately own the means of production. You can use a computer when one of the workers is not using it if you show that you have a need.

oh really now? I used the definition of the labor theory of value, I gave an explanation of supply and demand dynamics.
>youz a dum muddafucka
go back to plebbit from whence you came peasant, you have frequently used, that tired phrase, yet you haven't backed any of your statements up. Like the rest of you "woke" people, you don't seem to understand the basic concept of burden of proof

Why would I engage in debate and ‘change the mind’ of a moron? It’s a fools task

What’s the ancap solution to climate change?

>haha
I will type haha instead of posting actual rebuttals, I am so intellectual, y'all just dont understand me

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>most working class people bust their ass like myself and to little avail
What are your skills? what do you value your labour?

Thanks for global surveillance, exactly what I wanted

>I have never tried to start a business, work an hourly wage, and I don't think it's fair
Sounds like you've got a little case of underachiever there. The world needs worker bees, you're doing a great job at filling that position.

Antitrust and regulation does not equal socialism. Having a strong legal framework is not socialism. The breaking up of Standard Oil was not socialism.

Still no arguments
This is what every single one of them does, too. Every. Single. Communist.
None of them have any actual ideas or points. They know it too. That's why they just try to gaslight and obfuscate with this banal nonsense.

I am not a complete ancap, I am a pragmatist. Nevetheless I believe pollution violates the NAP. But I also believe in investing in nuclear and fusion, both are cleaner and more efficient than solar or wind turbines

>Irish, Indian, etc. famines.
>it's not true capitalism guys.
>market failures that necessitate state intervention and regulation.

the true path is Social Democracy with a constitutional set of protected rights.

( faggot): >duhhhh, ur just a dum mudafukka, gibs me dats haha

In this we of hyper human migration, socialism only works if everyone is on the same page. Otherwise immigrants will flood in and strain social services. I guarantee shit will be hitting the fan in Scandinavia in 20-30 years

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remove the immigration issue and it would work perfectly

You said capitalism doesn't work. If there were true you'd have no computer.

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The internet was developed by a bunch of government funded universities, literally socialism