Are Polish People/Slavs and Afghanis/Pajeets the same people? So then are Poles light skinned Afghanis/Pajeets...

Are Polish People/Slavs and Afghanis/Pajeets the same people? So then are Poles light skinned Afghanis/Pajeets? And are Afghanis/Pajeets darkskinned Poles?

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Are Anglos/West Euros and Nigerians the same people? So then are Anglos light skinned niggers? And are niggers darkskinned Anglos?

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nigga, haplogroups just show that there was one common ancestor amongst a portion of these groups 5,800 years ago. R1a is y-dna. You have to look at the MtDNA as well, and see who they crossbred with.

that seems to be correct

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Peak Nordic Germanic Anglo.

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So they had the same fathers and grandfathers then. So they are at least half Afghani/Pajeet or have significant ancestry from there then?

So you are saying Nigerians and Anglos have the same fathers and Grandfathers ancestrally?

>So they are at least half Afghani/Pajeet or have significant ancestry from there then?
Persians to be clear.

Nope, it's worse.

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And the highlighted area is this.

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Tatars are whiter than Romanians desu famalam

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Tatars are a tiny minority in Poland(less than 1% of the population). 40% of the Polish Population have R1A, are you saying Poland is 40% Tatar? Are these Catholic Tatars with no knowledge or history at all to suggest that they are tatars?

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yea yea, WE WUZ TATARS AND SHIET.
Btw, Charles Bronson was a Lipka Tatar. Manly dude.

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No of course. It's just that Tatars are meme Turkic people. Mostly Volga Finnic stock + Russian rapebabies.

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I wonder what was he trying to prove. Romanians have more R1a-Z93 than Poles/Slavs.

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That's only a map of R1a-Z93, which is one specific subtype of R1a. You have to look at the map of all R1a subtypes together in OP

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Fuck off with poland bashing

Well, we had a fucking war with Tatars at beginning, so we got the bloodshed part checked already.

So they conquered clay in your country

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DNA is also lost
You cant predict someones race with only his Y-DNA and mtdna

Also Brasil is whiter than Greece

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More Central Asians+ Russians + Finnic people

>t. poojeet diespora

PakIndians are Australoids
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>russia
>laughing at others over very small tartar population
Ohnononono

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>haplomemes

Mfw you're all to fucking stupid to see the common ancestry in these groups is from the ancient Indo-Europeans, who dominated Eurasia from Spain to Mongolia until around 1200 A.D. (although their decline in central Asia/China/Iran/-Stan countries began centuries earlier).

I fucking hate burgers and leaves. Read up on some population genetics you fucking spergs.

They have been there before we annexed them desu.

Haplogroups are solid predictors of race (although full dna testing is required to be sure). R1a carriers fall into one of two categories, both descended from the same stock, the Indo Europeans. The first categories is Indo-Aryan/Iranic steppe nomads (Scythians, sarmatian, yuezhi, Etc...), The second is from Slavs. Both carried unique subclades of these markers, and given their frequent contact (warfare, trade, cultural exchange, interbreeding from rape and marriage), it would make sense that both groups unique subclades would exist in eastern Europe.

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Did someone say daddy khan?

Poles are light skinned niggers

Дa, бpaтa. These people are fucking stupid with a capital "S".

Russian rapebabies...
>Tatars (pechenegs, cumans, tatars) are KHANing Russians from 9th to 18th century. >Russians conquer them sweating (Cossack) blood
>W-we cucked the Tatars, see?
Also pic related, but unironically.

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there arent any people in poland

> is x white? variation.

Interesting question. I'm sure Jow Forums will help you find the answer, you're in good company here.

>Tatars (pechenegs, cumans, tatars)
>Russia
Made me throw up actually

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People who need to ask "is X white" or are out to prove "x isn't white" are usually germanophile pseudoscientists who live in America and try to pretend actual white people aren't white because their 23andMe's came back as 25% Jewish so now they feel the need to prove their whiteness on pol by making these sorts of threads.

"P-poles aren't w-white! They have R1a, that's n-n-ni-nigger blood! Unlike me, I'm actually p-pure white J1a carrier of Germanic masterrace!"

They’re distantly related, Iranians and afghanis all speak into-European languages, as do slavs

Arguing with the Amerimutt is fruitless. The only reason responding to these threads is worth it is because the people who debunk this trash educate others on the reality of whiteness.

>white J1a carrier of Germanic masterrace!
Nordic Hitler actually had E1b.

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But what is the actual cut-off point?

So did Napoleon lmfao

I haven’t read the thread man, I was just responding to OP. I know how retarded these threads get, I imagine somebody brought up the Chadic r1b point as well as some sort of “refutation”

No they swore eternal servitude to the crown and live here ever since.

Kek, Tatarstan itself was overrun by Russians. They indeed were cucked. In 1552 Russians captured Kazan, killed men and raped the women.

I mean, you know Russian history, right?

If you aren't verifiably 100% white in both your autosomal and Y/Mt DNA, you're not white. And yes, 100% whites exist. I did a Gedmatch and 23andMe and found that my family is of undiluted Eastern European (GedMatch placed me in a cluster with Belorussians Lithuanians Northwestern Russians and Estonian) and Nordic English (SE English and Norwegian and Nordic Finn). R1b (Z-19, Scandinavian lineage) and H1 (eastern European in the case of my mother). Grandmother on dad's side was tested as well, she got a Finnish MtDna lineage for her Mt DNA (that lineage is found in Finnland and Britain, interestingly enough).

Da, memeflag

>Eastern European
Hello cousin ;)

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I don't give a shit about your family history. I asked at what point do people stop being classed as white? Which countries/ethnicities?

Nah man I know you're all good. Chadic R1b can be explained anyway, there are numerous reasons why/how it got there. Hittites had a presence in Egypt because of warfare, and some Egyptians pharoahs were R1b carriers. Plus Vandal and gothic incursions into Northern Africa could explain it, as nomadic north Africans did do trade in other parts of Africa and could've spread it. To add to that, the Iranic peoples were another Indo European group who made it to africa, and lastly, colonialism brought by ottomans (small percentages of whom would have been R1b) and Europeans of Western European descent.

Alternatively, a group of IE people thousands of years ago may have migrated there, leaving behind a founder effect where R1b remained even after they were diluted.

Regardless of how it got there, it's presence doesn't change the Steppe Indo European origin of the marker.

You're both retarded, no such thing.

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I made no claims either way.

I’m just curious as to why there isn’t an indo-European language spoken in Africa considering how a good chunk of the male population would’ve been wiped out. Everywhere else the IE’s went, they both partially replaced the male lines and brought with them their language

The word you're looking for is Aryan.

It's genetic, not geographic. There are people in Afghanistan who are white while there are people in Sicily and Spain who aren't. It's all about markers and lineages and autosomal dna. Got nothing to do with modern nations (unless those nations were relatively untouched by migrations). Too many migrations have occurred in history to say that the people of a given country are genetically identical to the people in that region 3000 years ago. Although fortunately in the case of Europe a solid 99% of migrations came from various groups of Indo Europeans, hence the diversity of Indo European associated lineages in European countries (for example Belorus, which has N1c1, R1a, R1b, and I).

The real question is are Greeks Somalians?

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So again, where is the cut-off point?

The extreme isolation from speakers of any language in the Indo European family. Everywhere that the phenomena that you're referring to occurred, there were neighboring people's who spoke a language that was at least somewhat related to that language.

Look at the Indians. The IE who went there introduced an IE language and it only stuck because of it's similarities to and contact with Iranic languages that bordered it directly. In Africa, this wasn't the case, they had no Indo European speaking neighbors, thus there was no practical reason to keep an Indo European language alive. They likely adopted a local language for that exact reason.

I've explained this already. If your autosomal dna and lineage related DNA isn't 100% Indo European, you aren't white. There's no wiggle room or ambiguity. Stop trying to be a kike and muddy the water by asking "at what point is a person white or not". Whiteness is absolute.

Makes sense desu, never actually had anyone bother to explain it. Do you think the Iranian and Indian languages would have been different had Anatolia remained an IE speaking region? The Turks settling and imposing their languages created that gap between eastern and western languages.

Probably, I'd imagine in the turkic speaking -stans would be speaking an Iranic language, and you'd likely have seen more loanwords from whatever the Anatolian language would've looked like working their way Eastward and influencing Hindi and Parsi and all that. Interesting hypothetical situation. Also would have been cool to see the Tocharian language survive as well.

Fuck off im no panjeet.

Nobody is 100% Indo-European, you fucking retard. The Indo-Europeans entered Europe and mixed with the people living there. Don't get mad and scream Jew just because you can't answer a question.

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>It's just that Tatars are meme Turkic people
Nope. Year I684 map.

There isn't one.
Whiteness is an undefined set of physical traits. Physical traits change in a gradient, with very significant mixes between populations.
Countries are areas of authority of a government, they can and often do host multiple ethnicities.
Ethnicities themselves are cultural entities, also with a gradient of similarity.

Haplos are meaningless zodiac tier memes.

Unironically.

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I think you just solved the polish question. I was wondering why a group of untermensch were living right in the middle of Europe. Polish people are effectively half gypsy

You can even see the migration path, kek

pic related. study it

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This is true though.

>Nobody is 100% Indo-European, you fucking retard
Wrong. You're posting the demography of the collection of a country. There are places, e.g. rural Poland, where the genetic makeup hasn't changed in a very long time. Very different than a place like Warsaw.

There's a reason all of those populations cluster together in terms of genetic affinity, retard. The indigenous peoples of Europe were Indo-Europeanized through contact. Notice how there aren't too many males running around with C in Europe anymore.

To add to that, Indo European in this situation refers to people who cluster in with other Indo European descended peoples. We know as a fact that the Indo Europeans often times interbred with local populations, which is why Indo European descendants today branch off into the two categories (that are related but separated, as explained below) of European Indo-European and Indo-Aryan, given the genetic differences between the local populations they raped out of existence. There's a reason why charts showing clusters of people put most (not all) European populations in a cluster, and then the cluster next to them is Indo Aryans (Persian, North Indian, Pashto, etc).

Finally, the LBK carried I, which was the Anatolian branch of Indo European, along with J2 (J1 carriers were basal J people who migrated southward and came into contact with semites and other old MENA populations). Atlantic megalithic populations also had R1b, as people from the steppe didn't all just leave at once, plenty left the steppe well before the main migration, hence anomolies such as the Villabruna man. You're not as clever as you think you are.

>Yamnaya being the only IE steppe population to enter Europe
Nice meme, britbong.

>Forgetting that Neolithic Europe already had Steppe/Anatolian DNA and so did WHG
Your amateur is showing, user.

It is clear, based off the isolation of the map, that Africans having the gene is simply a result of convergent evolution or chance.

Are markers found in large numbers of Europeans, but not exclusive to them, a sign of whiteness?

And most importantly, what's the relevance? Let's take a non white sicilian born and raised in the whitest European country and a genetically 100% white trailer trash from USA/South Africa or some brazilian slum. What should we expect and how should we treat the two?

These people are desperate to believe what they wanna believe. No amount of valid scientific argument or historical/anthropological truths will change their minds. They have fallen for the sociological arguments against race meme, and they likely will continue believing in these fallacious arguments forever.

this retarded anti-Polish shitposting really needs to up its game

Materially speaking, the 100% White individual from a shithole is superior. Spiritually, however, the sicilian is superior. That then poses the question of "who can be used to propagate the race and in what way?". The answer would then be that for the purposes of breeding, the materially white individual is better.

The user we are arguing with doesn't even realize that Yamnaya weren't the only steppe population or that WHG were genetically close to steppe Indo Europeans (which is why European populations have strong genetic affinities towards one another and these affinities could be and have been mapped). Don't expect them to get your point.

Show me then. I want to see the studies of people who have identical DNA to Yamnaya. I'd like to see meme-flagger show that his DNA is identical to an original Indo-European and not just to modern populations he believes are.

> ''There's a reason all of those populations cluster together in terms of genetic affinity, retard.''

Yes because they are related, that doesn't automatically mean discrete categorisation, mongoloid.

> ''Yamnaya being the only IE steppe population to enter Europe ''

Never said that; learn to fucking read.

> ''Forgetting that Neolithic Europe already had Steppe/Anatolian DNA and so did WHG''
Had. Not ''solely compromised of''. Your lack of reading comprehension is showing again.

Wrong. I want better argumentation though. The right needs to come up with a better tool to prevent degeneration and all there is so far are half-baked value judgements and glossing over genetics. By all means, keep up with your kike tactic of indirect insult.

What do you mean "materially"?
And why would I ask myself "who can be used to propagate the race and in what way?" ? I'm an imageboard autist, not the mother superior of the Bene Gesserit. In practice, what should I do? Avoid the Sicilian and invite the favelado in my home because of blue eyes?

Shouldn't you feel good about idea of your ancestors forming Vedic civilization?

Russians - even the Rusin were called 'orosz' (Russian) in Hungary, and the malorossian Ruthens were also called Russian throughout most of their history (seething Cuckrainians incoming).
>Kazan was the only tatar state

Based

They’re not

What is this shit? Tatars did not intermix with the Polish gene pool, the Poles assimilated them into theirs. Not to mention that not even 1000 exist today

>Because they are related
What is the nature of that relationship? I'm confused as to what shared ancestry they have that tied them together, given that you yourself are aware of the fact that there were genetically diverse populations in Neolithic Europe? Did these genetically diverse people just magically start out related? Did C carriers in the balkans during the Neolithic age just begin related to G carriers in Italy and France? Did they have this affinity and then the IE came in and ruined it? If that were the case, wouldn't it then follow that modern G and modern C carrying populations would still be related if they were pre IE migrations (meaning we would have Georgians and Sicilians and east Asians testing closely to each other on DNA tests and having high affinities for one another)?

Again, your amateur is showing. You really think that the genetically diverse Neolithic Europeans, some of whom were members of cultures more related to Anatolian and Steppe IE populations than others, were all just magically related from the start? It shows that you seriously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>The right
Fuck the right. I want nothing to do with them

>isolation
That's the Sahara, retard. You can see the Nile valley is how they got there.