Religious Differences

Everything is unknowable. Literally everything. It's all belief. The difference is what do we have good reason to believe versus what we don't.

The problem is that you think the idea of God is special in being "unknowable" and it's not. It's just as subject to the same standards of belief that everything else is.

2 Corinthians 6:14
>Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Which is hilarious because all of her past boyfriends have been Christian and terrible people whereas I am the model of morality without any religious affiliation.

Legit religious people just have fundamentally different values than Atheists and while you can certainly live happily with them you can't have a real connection with them and if you try to speak frankly the differences you've been trying to ignore will come out and fuck things up, and I also think religious people tend to psychologically abuse their families (especially children) in ways most secular people wouldn't even think of but still feel justified in doing it because of God. I would not marry her.

I think you can have a real connection, no problem. And I think you can respect the difference in values/beliefs and let people have that aspect of their lives to themselves within the partnership.

Kids is the only real issue, I'd say.

OP, what are your thoughts on raising your kids as far as religion goes?

I just want them to feel free to choose what works for them and be able to find their own truth.

Gf is big on raising them Christian, which I don't mind for starters. I just don't want it being drilled in their heads that that is the ONLY acceptable belief system and that there is something wrong with them if they don't believe it. Want them to know what's out there and feel that they're allowed to make an informed decision on what's best for them. Eventually, that is.

That's all liberal meme-talk, Christians believe that we are all going to be burned for eternity while they have an eternal orgasm and they don't see this as unfair at all. If you have any belief that marriage is supposed to be based on more than hormones then this huge difference in understanding about the fundamental nature of life and the universe should absolutely mean you aren't meant for each other. It is a retarded and disrespectful view and no one who actually thinks that can really be my friend, let alone my wife.

Well, she has reasons to be concerned. In her mind, a person she really loves (you) could be going to hell because he doesn't believe in God, and she obviously wouldn't want that if she loved you.

I'm an atheist too, but for this reason I would only date another atheist or someone who's not as loyal to their religion. It's something pretty irreconciliable.

Im not big on fedora tippingg but I legitimately think religion is child abuse, at best it sticks some weird and unrealistic ideas about justice and order in them that end up being used to justify acting on hate and at worst it brings physical abuse and criminal mental illness.

>I think religion is child abuse
>not big on fedora tipping
Are you sure about that

Wish you'd been my dad. I still have pangs of Catholic guilt from my upbringing all the time even though I haven't been to church in years.

The catholic church basically encouraged parents to beat their kids for no reason, some protestants still do in addition to generally making their kids feel like shit for wanting to live like normal people with natural desires, Jews cut off foreskins and bully their kids into following a stupid clan hierarchy, and don't even get me started on Muslims.

See what im talking about

And athiests are overweight, antagonistic amoral douchebags
That's the general public image of anyone who calls themselves "athiest" but we know it isn't true

Im talking about actual doctrines and historical trends, not modern stereotypes. Lots of modern christians dont bother with any of the church doctrines and just sort of chill out together but the ones who actually take it seriously always end up fucking their children up one way or another.

Also who can't you spell it right? it's e before i, you must have seen it thousands of times.

>That's the general public image of anyone who calls themselves "athiest"

Since when? I think atheist and I think the humanities kids in grad school. Antagonistic? Sure. They were very independently-minded people, but so are most people in grad school. Amoral? Certainly no amoral than 99% of the people calling themselves Christian. Overweight? Nah, they like their skinny jeans too much. Douches, meh, some of them.

I feel like you're describing incel basement dwellers or something.

Mobile posting, I type too fast and fuck up sometimes
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>I'm asking if she just needs more time, or if it's time to demand an answer and stop delaying the inevitable.

Still waiting for thoughts on this...

I think "militant" atheists might fit that standard a bit because normal people just dont care, i think by now most people in the west are at least de-facto atheists but out of the fat retards i know most of them seem to be christian

An answer on what, whether or not she can guarantee everything will work out? I can tell you right now it won't if you not only have these huge issues but demand abstract declarations that they will get fixed.

>Lots of modern christians dont bother with any of the church doctrines and just sort of chill out together
Why raise a problem with churches then? This is what many new age congregations are like

They're less of a problem but they still promote silliness in a society that is fucked up by so many abstract morals and needs to get a grip on reality. Im not 'going after them', i just dont like them and think i have a right to say i think they're wrong when it comes up and not shut up about it because they arent as bad as some.

I don't want or need any sort of declarations that everything is going to work out. I just want to know her intentions at this point. Can she see a life with me like I can with her, or is religion too big of an obstacle for her? At some point, you need an answer for the relationship to progress and it's been a year.

Lol again if you need to ask the answer is no, no matter what she tells you to protect herself in the moment

She isn't going to budge here Moran.

It's honestly her fault, you were clear, and she went ahead anyway. But it seems she can't reconcile it and "figure it out later" ain't gonna work.

Boot her.

Jesus loves you even if you don’t believe in him.

Id say as a general rule if you have to ask Jow Forums for insight on a relationship (unless its something silly like how do i make my bf wash his ass better) its not going to work out.

see the problem i ha e with christianity right now is that it requires compulsory love. You MUST love God and you MUST love Jesus, for if you dont then you burn in hell.

is that love? or emotional extortion?

>if you dont then you burn in hell
This must be what you don't understand - you can CHOOSE which denomination to belong to, few of them are fire and brimstone types
You're cherry picking

please tell me which denomination says you do not recieve punsihment for not loving God/Jesus

I'm not religious so I don't really want to do research for an user on something I'm not an expert about
But you're free to believe what you want if you don't want to take my word for it

But a quick Google says Baptists, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox

> I'm the beta provider she's settling for after decades on the cock carrousel
Dude have some self respect
You deserve better than to be someone's last resort

Lol no Baptists and Lutherans are offshoots of the original reformers who were big on heaven and hell, maybe some pussified churches within those downplay it but its not true in general. Even without hell its a pretty anti-social belief to think that you deserve an eternal orgasm while everyone just dies due to an arbitrary difference in opinion.

>Even without hell its a pretty anti-social belief to think that you deserve an eternal orgasm while everyone just dies due to an arbitrary difference in opinion
Who ever said that's what heaven was supposed to be? Nothing in any scripture says anything about angel orgies or backyard barbeques with white picket fences. It's a place to be close to God, and we aren't privy to what that entails
Again I'm not religious but you're making things up to justify your hate, literally what you accuse the churches of doing

Obviously I meant it figuratively, retard. Its a place of eternal peace and joy.

I never said she whored around; she didn't. Just that her previous boyfriends were (cheating) assholes

Why don't you actually work it out, like deeply? You don't have to think exactly the same way just work things through until you're both content, comfortable and when it comes down to it, everything is ok. A shallow approach wont work and an argumentative one definitely wont, but a deep one is a bonding experience.

My girlfriend was raised with a similar religion (the big one) but my situation wasn't exactly the same, after talking to me she self-analysed it without a fuss.

Im not a virginity obbsessed faggot but it is still true that the further you are down the line the worse the produce youre getting is

She's probably going to pull a "convert, or I'll leave you" somewhere down the line. The fact that, as far as she's concerned, your immortal soul is at stake means she's unlikely to ever just drop the issue.

I've been around the block way more than she has, and she's far and away the most genuine "good girl" I've dated. I'm in no position to judge, but I have plenty of points of comparison, and they don't make 'em like her that often these days.

She's 28 years old and has a grand total of 3 exes. Hardly cause for alarm or looking into any grand patterns as far as I'm concerned.

Regardless, don't hang around when it's obvious you're not what she really wants.
28 years is ""settling"" age for girls, she's probably only sticking around because she wants a baby before she turns 30.
You can do better than to be settled for my dude.

Last time she wanted to explore what I belief and I explained it to her, she just broke down crying.

I live for a level-headed exchange of ideas and would love to have that kind of conversation, but she's just not ready for it yet.

Candidly, she's very sheltered. Just doesn't have a lot of actual exposure to the wide variety of people and behaviors and beliefs that are out there. I really do think a lot of this is just growing pains of coping with the fact that the real world isn't what she was raised on as a kid. She's getting there, it's just taking a long time.

What the fuck did I just read?

I believe I have shoes on because I can see them.

I believe in a higher power because this universe manifested from something for some reason because I can see the universe.

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What's a universe

You mean kind of like how people could see that the Earth was "obviously" flat? Or how anyone with eyes could see that it's the sun moving and not the other way around?

No its stupider than that its like saying "i can see hair on my pubis so i know it was put there by a benevolent mermaid"

External reality
Nigga Arabs and Mexicans knew that wasn't the case way before some European fronted on the pope
>Tips mermaid pubes

Nobody belives the earth is flat you illiterate retard, it's a historical meme only people without any idea what they are talking about claim to be. It came from a fucking drawing and renaissance spergs beeing to retarded to see it as a artistic feature instead of actually what people thought, as can be seen by the fact that they could fucking claculate the diameter of the fucking world.

And no, it is not obvious that we aren't living in a geocentric universe, otherwise it would not have taken millenia of the brightest minds to find a way of calculation to understand it.

The most stupid people usually think they know it all. Think about it before you make another borderline mongoloid post, mutt.

First of all no youre wrong the ancient greeks figured it out way before anyone else, but more importantly are you saying truth originates from niggers, arabs, and mexicans?

>And no, it is not obvious that we aren't living in a geocentric universe

No fucking shit. That's the point: that you can't trust your fucking eyes.

Everything you said was retarded.

>First of all no youre wrong the ancient greeks figured it out way before anyone else,

Neat
> but more importantly are you saying truth originates from niggers, arabs, and mexicans?

Wtf no

>They could fucking clacuate
'they' meaning the spirit of mankind perhaps? No one did until some guy in greece a few thousand years ago, its not inherent knowledge and not even all the kings of europe knew it.

>My question is, do I continue to just be patient and support her while she works through her internal conflict at her own pace, or have I given it enough time and should I press her to decide rather than continue to allow myself to be held emotionally hostage?
Sounds like she has issues trusting you due to your religious differences because we all know you can't be a good, upstanding person in this world without being feared into doing so by a beardy man in the sky with jealousy issues and hypocritical rules.
Shit's going to keep coming up until one of you stops caring about their personal beliefs enough to bridge the gap.

Yes, that guy in greece which just measured time and shadow of a obelisc to know wht's the case. Most people before that simply didn't gave a fuck as they were mentally exhaused enough to not starve to death. Intellectual persuits is a luxury you mongo.

That's how I feel about it too. I really feel like I'm able to meet her halfway while she, on the other hand, is willing but currently unable.

I have the advantage of extensive exposure to both perspectives. I was raised in the church, my family is still religious, I haven't been for a decade. It's not hard for me to compromise or see both sides; I have years and years of practice. It's all new to her because she's been firmly entrenched in her religious upbringing.

I don't mean to sound selfish or unwilling to work with my partner. I just think I came into this relationship already at the place one needs to be for an interfaith relationship to work, and I'm waiting to see if she can get there too.

Low level bait. Ignore him.

Lol what the fuck are you even talking about now, go back to doing your math homework kid

I was in the same boat at one point but thankfully much less invested and much younger
Eventually she got closer to someone who parroted the same views. Despite me actively showing her that Atheists can lead full and dependable lives she left me and married him in under a year.

I don't hate her but I can't say I don't smile whenever I hear how they're not doing well. I wish you better luck.

Marriedfag here (8 years).

I say give it time. I get that her uncertainty is starting to shake your confidence, but trust me, you gotta be the man in this situation and kind of lead by example. You can't pressure someone into something like this and if she's really the woman you think she is, it'll be worth the wait.

My wife and I dated for five years before we got hitched and I was a total financial shitshow at the time. I was 30 years old and in school without my shit together. It freaked her out worrying about "when will we be able to afford kids and a home?" and shit. I was just as worried about it, more than her to be honest. But I knew that if I vocalized and gave in to my doubts it would only feed hers and we wouldn't get anywhere.

It's kind of a fake it till you make it situation. She's a woman. They do this. You've literally gotta just learn to let her be emotional and you be the rock in situations like this.

>comparing religious believes to getting a job
You're a retard. There are only two ways this will end. OP will either ruin her believes and make her unhappy and loose her bond with her family, while also pushing her to the roastie live because fuk it, there is no judgment day amirite or she breaking it off and ruining her life not getting kids because she can't marry again after a divorce.

There is no way OP loves her when he sticks with her without feeling like he might convert.

Either she accepts you the way you are or you two go seperate ways.

Atheists don't actively believe in God. That's the default position of atheism. They don't believe in "no God."